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Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1555
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:47:00 -
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Aleander Brunsh wrote:The Lewis' Law is only jokingly law, it's actually an observation of typical behavior of the "con" side of discussion of feminism. And it being called upon is a way of noting that the discussion here immediately got to the point where it's a good illustration of certain problems we have, as a community (if you don't think we have, just please do note the prevalence of **** jokes in Eve guides, and if you don't think those are a problems, I think we stand on different base assumptions and won't really come into an agreement, also please never meet me in real life). A bit like calling Godwin's Law.
No, it's nothing like Godwin's Law, because where Godwin's Law is grounded in an observed logical fallacy, Lewis' Law is not. People are going to disagree with you, that is inevitable, you do not need to write a law about it.
As for the **** jokes, while they are not something I personally regard as funny, they are protected under free speech whether you like it or not. Actual **** is criminal, the jokes are not. Do you understand? You can have a problem with them and the people who use them all you like, but the fact that they are ALLOWED to say them means there is no problem in the community. The problems would only start if someone were to begin limiting their free speech.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Andrea Griffin
628
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:47:00 -
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Well, when I sculpted this character, her breasts were in the average range. One day I wanted to put on my fancy new Right Arm 'Nature' Tattoo and I noticed that my bust size had increased to, quite frankly, a ridiculous proportion. I poked around a bit and it seems that CCP modified some of the configuration stuff for the female bodies so that some of the clothing would fit better, and re-rendered everyone. This resulted in a mega-rack for quite a lot of people. Not what I really wanted.
That's what I heard through the grapevine anyway, haven't seen it 100% confirmed.
Has anyone attempted a petition for a resculpt? Was it successful? I don't really want this character to look like she's about to fall over at any moment.
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Aleander Brunsh
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:51:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:No, it's nothing like Godwin's Law, because where Godwin's Law is grounded in an observed logical fallacy, Lewis' Law is not. People are going to disagree with you, that is inevitable, you do not need to write a law about it.
Actually, your current reaction is typical for someone who got Godwined. "BBBBBUuutt I was totally right, ****** was a vegetarian!" (sidenote, no he wasn't).
Remiel Pollard wrote:As for the **** jokes, while they are not something I personally regard as funny, they are protected under free speech whether you like it or not. Actual **** is criminal, the jokes are not. Do you understand? You can have a problem with them and the people who use them all you like, but the fact that they are ALLOWED to say them means there is no problem in the community. The problems would only start if someone were to begin limiting their free speech.
You seem to think I propose jail time for people who make **** jokes. I don't. Also, you keep using the expression "free speech". I think it means something else than you think it does.
(have fun in this thread, I'm going elsewhere, and the thing is going to go in loops from now on, IMO) |
Annalise Elina Amaranthus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:54:00 -
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Well, for myself all I can say is I was bottle fed as an infant and have had boob envy since. I like me women with swelled hips, a large butt and boobs large enough that I can... ok lets not go there. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1555
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:55:00 -
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Aleander Brunsh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:No, it's nothing like Godwin's Law, because where Godwin's Law is grounded in an observed logical fallacy, Lewis' Law is not. People are going to disagree with you, that is inevitable, you do not need to write a law about it. Actually, your current reaction is typical for someone who got Godwined. "BBBBBUuutt I was totally right, ****** was a vegetarian!" (sidenote, no he wasn't). Remiel Pollard wrote:As for the **** jokes, while they are not something I personally regard as funny, they are protected under free speech whether you like it or not. Actual **** is criminal, the jokes are not. Do you understand? You can have a problem with them and the people who use them all you like, but the fact that they are ALLOWED to say them means there is no problem in the community. The problems would only start if someone were to begin limiting their free speech. You seem to think I propose jail time for people who make **** jokes. I don't. Also, you keep using the expression "free speech". I think it means something else than you think it does. (have fun in this thread, I'm going elsewhere, and the thing is going to go in loops from now on, IMO)
I never said anything about ******, and whether he was a vegetarian or not is irrelevant. What you are doing now is simultaneously shifting the goalposts and making a strawman. You claim my 'reaction' was 'typical' for something, but, you didn't actually specify how.
And what you think something means is irrelevant to what it actually means. There are actually laws surrounding freedom of speech and expression, so you can look them up and find out for yourself. In the end, though, what you think is irrelevant to what is and what should be.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:58:00 -
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cogadh achur wrote:Aya Shinomiya wrote:Dear EVE Online players,
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.
I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.
Regards. I am a man in real life, does my char's lack of big boobs etc mean that I am gay? Oh, and if you are a real life woman, why the hell are you not a feminist, do you not want equal rights etc for women?
I mean the average female character not all. But nearly 80% of all is saw so far. I am a man, too. In my country feminism is a little bit out of control this time, so I say it with a slightly negative sound. But no, in my eyes men and woman are and should be - depending on the culture which one should respect - fully equal in rights and social position. I have my own opinion of the role of men and woman in the society but this is not the topic hear. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:01:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:Dear EVE Online players,
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.
I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.
Regards.
Let me ask a question: If you (would be a female and) could design the male you want - would it be ugly as hell? Would he have small genitals? Would he be a big, fat and hairy bear with a tiny pen*s? I seriously doubt it, and I think most women would indeed create a male character they would like to look at aswell.
With this in mind - what's the point in making this thread anyway? |
Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:02:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Well, when I sculpted this character, her breasts were in the average range. One day I wanted to put on my fancy new Right Arm 'Nature' Tattoo and I noticed that my bust size had increased to, quite frankly, a ridiculous proportion. I poked around a bit and it seems that CCP modified some of the configuration stuff for the female bodies so that some of the clothing would fit better, and re-rendered everyone. This resulted in a mega-rack for quite a lot of people. Not what I really wanted.
That's what I heard through the grapevine anyway, haven't seen it 100% confirmed.
Has anyone attempted a petition for a resculpt? Was it successful? I don't really want this character to look like she's about to fall over at any moment.
You can buy a PLEX and use it for re-sculpting. You can transform one Game-Time-Card into one PLEX like I do. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1556
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:06:00 -
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The way I see it, feminism is, by it's nature, sexist, because it is focusing on one sex by it's very definition. However, this is just an opinion, but it bases the way I think in things regardless.
When it comes to games, everyone on that game is a gamer. They're not a male gamer, or a female gamer, just a gamer. Their gender is irrelevant to me. Also, gender roles in games only exist in the imagination of the players. How they are cast is irrelevant, for the most part.
When it comes to rights, sure, there is definitely still some inequality in society, but it's still not incredibly well established where that inequality is rooted, or why. That is, it cannot just be blamed on men or a 'patriarchy' as a be-all and end-all solution, because blame is not a solution.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
1091
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:13:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:Dear EVE Online players,
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.
I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.
Regards.
No oversized rack.
No cleavage.
Decent and realistic body type/size.
Looks more like a badass, not a *****.
Male player.
I don't know about the rest of the player base, but I made and RP this character as the exact opposite of myself IRL.
I'm currently taking bets on the following:
- CCP Games becomes EA Games' property.
- EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
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Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:13:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Aya Shinomiya wrote:Dear EVE Online players,
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.
I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.
Regards. Let me ask a question: If you (would be a female and) could design the male you want - would it be ugly as hell? Would he have small genitals? Would he be a big, fat and hairy bear with a tiny pen*s? I seriously doubt it, and I think most women would indeed create a male character they would like to look at aswell. With this in mind - what's the point in making this thread anyway?
Hard to answer. Especially according to the reply of Remiel Pollard about the border between fiction and reality. No, I would not make a ugly guy. But what is ugly and beautiful lies in the eyes of the viewer. If I create a character it always flows in some ideals of what I find beautiful. But if I have a so complex character creator like in EVE Online I try to create a so realistic character as possible. And in reality not all woman have big breasts and are skinny. I am not a fan of this ideal of beauty. So this was the main intention of this thread, maybe. Will lead to some replies I guess. |
Hells Merc
mUfFiN fAcToRy
13
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Posted - 2013.07.27 15:50:00 -
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Breasts. |
Ituhata
Killboard Padding Services
44
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Posted - 2013.07.27 15:56:00 -
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I can honestly say I didn't go this route. I prefer B cups, small teardrop shaped beauties wrapped in a mildly form fitting t-shirt. Because unwrapping presents and finding two small handfuls of joy makes me happy.  |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union
The Predictables
563
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Posted - 2013.07.27 15:59:00 -
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Ituhata wrote:I can honestly say I didn't go this route. I prefer B cups, small teardrop shaped beauties wrapped in a mildly form fitting t-shirt. Because unwrapping presents and finding two small handfuls of joy makes me happy.
Oh and those d...uh... those lips. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:03:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay.
QFT |
Digits Kho
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:16:00 -
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When i was in school i learned that we all basicaly start off as women ( that must be the reason men have nipples). So i was thinking maybe thats the reason why big warm soft or small but firm and neat boobs make such an impact on real life and game decisions. |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
75
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:29:00 -
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I a woman. My husband plays EVE as well, and has female characters with big racks angled in the avatars so he and his fellows can admire them.
I dunno, I just can't get upset over this issue. In fact, my husband and I laugh about it and we will occasionally share over-the-top avatars with each other to have a laugh about. It's a game, we're all here to have fun.
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Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:33:00 -
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Digits Kho wrote:When i was in school i learned that we all basicaly start off as women ( that must be the reason men have nipples). So i was thinking maybe thats the reason why big warm soft or small but firm and neat boobs make such an impact on real life and game decisions.
That is right. The gender is choosen very late in the development of an unborn child. But I think it is more a symbol for fertility. We are all still driven by instincts. |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
42
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Posted - 2013.07.27 19:26:00 -
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Your main problem is that you just let everyone know you are female.
Let us know how many PMs you recieve and how many offers you get to join a corp and join vent/mumble etc
Good luck |
stoicfaux
2977
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Posted - 2013.07.27 19:38:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:.. prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character.
Occam's Razor. Most of us guys played with Barbie dolls as kids. If you want to blame someone for GiRLs creating over-endowed toons, then talk to Mattel.
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Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.27 19:48:00 -
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Sebastor Cane wrote:Your main problem is that you just let everyone know you are female.
Let us know how many PMs you recieve and how many offers you get to join a corp and join vent/mumble etc
Good luck
Bullshit. I have a male and a female character. Besides I am a man in real life. And I search the suitable corporation for myself, no matter how many offers I receive. |
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:04:00 -
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"I'm not a feminist, but..."
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism.
Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á
Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |
Linna Baresi
18
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:04:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:Dear EVE Online players,
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.
I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.
Regards.
Heh. Many years ago, my husband wanted to know why I giggled about his characters. So I finally broke down and told him how very, very easy it was for us women to pick out a toon that was created by a man/boy. He actually took it to heart, and makes his toons a bit more... realistic, let's say.
But yeah... overly muscular and as tall as toons can be made? Boy with the wrong idea of what attractively masculine is or man with insecurity issues. BIG rack and tiny waist? Nearly always a male player behind the keyboard (although I have knows some on line seductresses who... well, let's not go there).
Member of <Fated> since 2003
fated.europefreeforum.com |
voetius
L V B Industries
STELLAR CONSTELLATION
74
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:23:00 -
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Linna Baresi wrote:Aya Shinomiya wrote:Dear EVE Online players,
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.
I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.
Regards. Heh. Many years ago, my husband wanted to know why I giggled about his characters. So I finally broke down and told him how very, very easy it was for us women to pick out a toon that was created by a man/boy. He actually took it to heart, and makes his toons a bit more... realistic, let's say. But yeah... overly muscular and as tall as toons can be made? Boy with the wrong idea of what attractively masculine is or man with insecurity issues. BIG rack and tiny waist? Nearly always a male player behind the keyboard (although I have knows some on line seductresses who... well, let's not go there).
One of my alts is EmmaFromMarketing, feel free to analyse what I was thinking of when I created the look of that character.
FYI, I clicked randomise a couple of times then clicked ok. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1838
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:10:00 -
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i'm fabulous! |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
472
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:12:00 -
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We like women who can provide our offspring with sufficient milk and are not too heavy to carry around when they need resqueing. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:05:00 -
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Quote:And in reality not all woman have big breasts and are skinny. I am not a fan of this ideal of beauty. So this was the main intention of this thread, maybe. Will lead to some replies I guess.
In reality some woman are skinny with big breasts after having implants usually. These woman are considered beautiful because being fat is sloppy and unhealthy. And big breasts is good for babies. This is whats beautiful though any ugly chick can find a guy that will get horny for her.
U are not a fan of this ideal probably because u dont match it. But theres no denying thats whats lusted after. I believe we have answered ur question that we like boobs and skinny. Ur not going to make some realize they actually like flabby chicks with flat chest so might as well move on |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2164
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:10:00 -
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Isaac Collins wrote:We could have women looking like Quazymodo's grandad after he got his anus pillaged by the Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory and No one would legitimately care.
That would be me.
And let me assure you, a surprising amount of people do.
You know... morons. |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:17:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:
When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.
Just you wait until CCP lets us make avatars completely naked. They could charge 10 plexes for it and just buy themselves a new Ferrari now. Monocles aint got sh*t on this for enhancing the bottom line. |
Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:24:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Quote:And in reality not all woman have big breasts and are skinny. I am not a fan of this ideal of beauty. So this was the main intention of this thread, maybe. Will lead to some replies I guess. In reality some woman are skinny with big breasts after having implants usually. These woman are considered beautiful because being fat is sloppy and unhealthy. And big breasts is good for babies. This is whats beautiful though any ugly chick can find a guy that will get horny for her. U are not a fan of this ideal probably because u dont match it. But theres no denying thats whats lusted after. I believe we have answered ur question that we like boobs and skinny. Ur not going to make some realize they actually like flabby chicks with flat chest so might as well move on
In reality there are varieties of female bodies and this is good. To be too skinny or to be too fat is both unhealthy. But this is not the topic here. What I hate are anorexic girls and woman, Botox, chirugic changed faces or artificial implants only to fit into some weared Hollywood beauty ideal. This is simply sick in my eyes. You can argue with me whether this is the case or not but in my eyes many female characters in EVE Online follows this "ideal". |
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