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Chucky	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:09:00 - [121] Well I done just 2 lvl 4 missions and safely say I'm atleast 60 mill in hole. First I got target jammed and had to warp several times. 2nd was deadspace that put me on top of 6 warpscambling frigates. I launched my drones to kill the frigs while firing on the bships and they switched to my drones and killed them in seconds(yes they were all red) leaving me with no way to get out. Kudos to making lvl4 missions interesting. Profitable? I tell you after a week. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:15:00 - [122] Dao your missing a very important part of your equation. How much did people make pre patch from the NPCs... You have to take into account the difference in price in NPCs. Theres no way there are hundreds of billions of extra isk going into the market every day. current npc bounties - old npc bounties = difference in bounties. Thats the extra isk getting into the economy. Now im not including the new npcs or anything or the increase in rat hunting. But its not that much more isk going into the market there are a lot of other things that will suck the isk out. Dont be suprised that with the new manufacturing system an increase in the price of T2 even further. Especially in HACs. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:23:00 - [123] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Dao your missing a very important part of your equation. How much did people make pre patch from the NPCs... You have to take into account the difference in price in NPCs. Theres no way there are hundreds of billions of extra isk going into the market every day. current npc bounties - old npc bounties = difference in bounties. Thats the extra isk getting into the economy. Now im not including the new npcs or anything or the increase in rat hunting. But its not that much more isk going into the market there are a lot of other things that will suck the isk out. Dont be suprised that with the new manufacturing system an increase in the price of T2 even further. Especially in HACs. 5-10 if i didnt run into officers and commanders ;p not including loot
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:25:00 - [124] Originally by: WolfGang H I heard that the npcing in 0.0 was good. Came out and lost my battleship to player pirates. They wanted 150million isk for my life. I only had 43 million isk and told them that, and that id give it a llto them if they let me go. They demanded 90 million isk...I said again I only have 43 million isk. Not good enough for them. They destroyed my ship and podded me instantly using a large smart bomb. Had 5 +3 implants and other implants. Spent several hours and borroed some isk from a friend to buy a new ship and get it re equiped and go back out. A few minutes into npcing I got warp scrambled by a guy who demanded 35 million isk. I paid it, leaving me with 6 million isk and I owe isk to my friend. 0.0 sucks. Before you flame me and tell me I could have taken precautions to not get killed/ransomed, I was taking them but both times trickery and improbable circumstances were involved. Sometimes bad stuff just happens at the exact worst time. u chose a bad place to npc in probably ;p (choke point system im guessin :\|) and u lack the "experience" i haven't died from npcing in many months ;p
James Snowscoran	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:27:00 - [125] Increasing the ISK supply in low sec space isn't all that dangerous, or even bad for that matter. I've always thought that shipping goods to low sec space should be a more lucrative business. It might just become that now. Of course, if people start shipping goods to low sec space, we can assume there will be more pirates around to make a profit off them. Increased pirate activity=more blown up ships=ISK sink And remember that they've removed some complexes in high sec space. So it's also a way to force the NPC hunters more into low sec space to hunt. More people in low sec space=more ships blown up=ISK sink. Overall, a very good idea.
Virusuk	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:29:00 - [126] I love the new rats. I think they love me too, but enyway have u seen the prices of skills and stuff. Good thing the rats have bigger bountys and there are more of them coz i really hate mining for isk *********************************************************
Khonsu	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:30:00 - [127] Edited by: Khonsu on 19/12/2005 01:32:29 Originally by: Dao 2 Edited by: Dao 2 on 18/12/2005 23:46:47 Originally by: Khonsu Well, if 3 of each titan sell, that's 816 billion right there. Then there are component BPOs in addition. We're talking filthy amounts of isk here.. you gotta kill a few NPCs to make a trillion back to the economy. And you can't count the money you make currently NPCing, only the excess ISK compared to earlier. Thus, I choose to respectfully disagree if this keeps up i think itll eventually overrun even that :\| edit: lets say on weekdays theres an average of 7,000 ppl on at all times and on weekends an average of 12,000 ppl on at all times. Say 20% of those ppl live in .0 thats 1,400 ppl in .0 at all times in .0 on weekdays thats 2,400 ppl on at all times in .0 on weekends say 30% of those ppl npc with a 20mil an hour average (i make more but whatever). 420 people on weekdays making 8.4 bil an hour 720 people on weekends making 14.4 bil an hour thats A LOT say im being to optimistic, and cut those estimates in half. thats still 92.4 billion a day on weekdays (22 hour days to get rid of dt, and an extra hour cause its real quiet before and after dt) and 158.4 billion a day on weekends (with the same 22 hour a day calculations :\|) wow am i doing something wrong? thats MUCH more than i woulda figured..... Yeah, you're assuming that people made 0 ISK from NPCing before patch. And when I look at the map it looks like less than 20% live in 0.0, but hey.. I don't have the numbers.
WolfGang H	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:31:00 - [128] Originally by: Dao 2 u chose a bad place to npc ... (choke point system im guessin :\|) What do you know about my circumstances, you uninformed, self-aggrandizing, assuming fool? I was 16 jumps into pure 0.0. Not a coke point, sorry. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:33:00 - [129] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: aeti any stuff that makes 0.0 better is good then makes isk worthless ;p? Well, when a t2 cap recharger costs 17m, and a HAC? Don't get me started LOL, isk is already worthless if you ask me... It takes forever to make (unless you have t2 bpos) and doesn't buy squat, then gets lost in the blink of an eye. Then again, I'm a n00b, so what the hell do I know? The new t2 stuff will be astronomical... Maybe if people weren't such greedy slimeballs, CCP wouldn't see the need to inject money into the economy. The players cause the inflation. Someone told me it costs around 40k to make a t2 cap recharger, if that LOL. What they are charging is criminal. I could see 1m, but 10+? ridiculous... I appreciate CCP's efforts to fix it but better npc'ing won't fix the problem. I don't think it can be fixed without shortening the factory and research cycles on t2 stuff, and dropping some more bpo's to break the monopolies and t2 syndicates. My 2 cents for what it's worth... -Kal
Teblin	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:33:00 - [130] Please keep replies respectful and let's not fly off the handle here. This is a valid topic for discussion so please stay on topic and post constructively. forum rules \| [email protected]
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:36:00 - [131] Edited by: Dao 2 on 19/12/2005 01:37:16 Originally by: WolfGang H Originally by: Dao 2 u chose a bad place to npc ... (choke point system im guessin :\|) What do you know about my circumstances, you uninformed, self-aggrandizing, assuming fool? I was 16 jumps into pure 0.0. Not a coke point, sorry. jeez i wasnt ratting on u :\| dont have to get all *****y if editing my post cause of the isd above but was sayin that pure blind aint a good palce to go npcing, and wtf u yellin at me for? did u see me calling u stupid?
Teblin	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:46:00 - [132] Originally by: Kalixa Hihro The new t2 stuff will be astronomical... Maybe if people weren't such greedy slimeballs, CCP wouldn't see the need to inject money into the economy. The players cause the inflation. -Kal That has nothing to do with this. you think when you buy something, the isk goes out of the game? People setting high prices for T2 things only shifts isk from other players into their wallets. Same with how mining and selling the minerals doesn't create isk, it only shifts it into your wallet from other wallets. Isk only enters Eve by NPC bounties and NPC buy orders on the market. Adding more ISK will do nothing to this problem at all. forum rules \| [email protected]
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:51:00 - [133] Been NPCing for a while out in 0.0. It's good money but I can make the same mining, if not more.
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:59:00 - [134] Edited by: Dao 2 on 19/12/2005 02:01:37 Originally by: Nyphur Been NPCing for a while out in 0.0. It's good money but I can make the same mining, if not more. aye was the same for me before, cept if i hit an office or commander. but now that RMR is out i completely blow away mining. i actually prefer mining too :( though i have to say: the AFs and HACs that have been added def deserve a higher bounty then they currently have
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:03:00 - [135] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Nyphur Been NPCing for a while out in 0.0. It's good money but I can make the same mining, if not more. aye was the same for me before, cept if i hit an office or commander. but now that RMR is out i completely blow away mining. i actually prefer mining too :( Maybe you're not mining properly. Large barge, 3 stripminers with max skills and 5 mining drone IIs? Because that'd be roughly equivalent to the skill and price range of a ship you'd need to solo NPC in 0.0. A HAC or battelship fitted with T2 gear and the best skills. I'm using an ishtar with maxed drones skills (except the new ones, only got those to level 3 so far). I know with that kind of mining kit I always got more mining than I am NPCing. 15-30mil/hour mining is the norm. I can't make that NPCing currently and I have tried. I get close but just shy of the amount I can make mining.
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:06:00 - [136] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Nyphur Been NPCing for a while out in 0.0. It's good money but I can make the same mining, if not more. aye was the same for me before, cept if i hit an office or commander. but now that RMR is out i completely blow away mining. i actually prefer mining too :( Maybe you're not mining properly. Large barge, 3 stripminers with max skills and 5 mining drone IIs? Because that'd be roughly equivalent to the skill and price range of a ship you'd need to solo NPC in 0.0. A HAC or battelship fitted with T2 gear and the best skills. I'm using an ishtar with maxed drones skills (except the new ones, only got those to level 3 so far). I know with that kind of mining kit I always got more mining than I am NPCing. 15-30mil/hour mining is the norm. I can't make that NPCing currently and I have tried. I get close but just shy of the amount I can make mining. large barge with stripminers ;p or apoc with dcm 2s i use an arma with all t1 fittin though :\| named rep though ;p
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:11:00 - [137] OK, my observation is... 0.0 belt NPCing is less boring but only make 1/2 the amount of ISKs comparing to mining crimson/prime Arkanor in 0.0. It is all balanced. Mining is and has always been more profitable than NPCing but boring. Only that NPCing is more balanced now because it is 1/2 the cash and not 1/4 the cash like it used to be. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:14:00 - [138] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire OK, my observation is... 0.0 belt NPCing is less boring but only make 1/2 the amount of ISKs comparing to mining crimson/prime Arkanor in 0.0. It is all balanced. Mining is and has always been more profitable than NPCing but boring. Only that NPCing is more balanced now because it is 1/2 the cash and not 1/4 the cash like it used to be. o_0 dunno how u get that :\| maybe thats factoring in one account npcing and more than one mining o_0?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire OK, my observation is... 0.0 belt NPCing is less boring but only make 1/2 the amount of ISKs comparing to mining crimson/prime Arkanor in 0.0. It is all balanced. Mining is and has always been more profitable than NPCing but boring. Only that NPCing is more balanced now because it is 1/2 the cash and not 1/4 the cash like it used to be. o_0 dunno how u get that :\| maybe thats factoring in one account npcing and more than one mining o_0? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, 30 mins mining is about 10M to 15M, and 30 mins NPCing is about 5M if I am lucky to find and kill 5 BSes and lackeys. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:20:00 - [140] Originally by: Dao 2 edit: like i said id be making bout 100mil a day tops, usually not on weekdays. i can make that in like 3 1/2 hours now just off the bounties :\| You're forgetting the mining mods that just came in, you can mine more now. And you're saying you get 30mil/hour in bounties npcing? Where are you doing this?
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:20:00 - [141] ok WTF people complaining about too much isk?? omg get a grip man. means more people go to 0.0 space and more pvp chances just look at the bigger pic. Hell more isk then keep it that way. Pirates can have fun now
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:52:00 - [142] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Dao 2 edit: like i said id be making bout 100mil a day tops, usually not on weekdays. i can make that in like 3 1/2 hours now just off the bounties :\| You're forgetting the mining mods that just came in, you can mine more now. And you're saying you get 30mil/hour in bounties npcing? Where are you doing this? -1.0 system ;p
Virusuk	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:52:00 - [143] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire OK, my observation is... 0.0 belt NPCing is less boring but only make 1/2 the amount of ISKs comparing to mining crimson/prime Arkanor in 0.0. It is all balanced. Mining is and has always been more profitable than NPCing but boring. Only that NPCing is more balanced now because it is 1/2 the cash and not 1/4 the cash like it used to be. o_0 dunno how u get that :\| maybe thats factoring in one account npcing and more than one mining o_0? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, 30 mins mining is about 10M to 15M, and 30 mins NPCing is about 5M if I am lucky to find and kill 5 BSes and lackeys. I must of had a lucky day i made well over 5 mil in 30 mins rating today *********************************************************
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:53:00 - [144] Originally by: Peter Armstrong ok WTF people complaining about too much isk?? omg get a grip man. means more people go to 0.0 space and more pvp chances just look at the bigger pic. Hell more isk then keep it that way. Pirates can have fun now id be a lot happied if they gave better loot :S but not ruin the isk value....
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:54:00 - [145] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire OK, my observation is... 0.0 belt NPCing is less boring but only make 1/2 the amount of ISKs comparing to mining crimson/prime Arkanor in 0.0. It is all balanced. Mining is and has always been more profitable than NPCing but boring. Only that NPCing is more balanced now because it is 1/2 the cash and not 1/4 the cash like it used to be. o_0 dunno how u get that :\| maybe thats factoring in one account npcing and more than one mining o_0? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, 30 mins mining is about 10M to 15M, and 30 mins NPCing is about 5M if I am lucky to find and kill 5 BSes and lackeys. i get about 20m an hour mining :\|
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:57:00 - [146] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/12/2005 02:57:22 Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hmmmmmmmmmmm, 30 mins mining is about 10M to 15M, and 30 mins NPCing is about 5M if I am lucky to find and kill 5 BSes and lackeys. i get about 20m an hour mining :\| That means my guesses are more or less matched up with yours. 60 mins of mining should be about 20M to 30M then, and 60 mins of NPCing is probably about 10M to 15M (if lucky, just on bounties and including decent loot, not those "arbalest" stuffs, etc.). ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:58:00 - [147] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/12/2005 02:57:22 Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hmmmmmmmmmmm, 30 mins mining is about 10M to 15M, and 30 mins NPCing is about 5M if I am lucky to find and kill 5 BSes and lackeys. i get about 20m an hour mining :\| That means my guesses are more or less matched up with yours. 60 mins of mining should be about 20M to 30M then, and 60 mins of NPCing is probably about 10M to 15M (if lucky, just on bounties and including decent loot, not those "arbalest" stuffs, etc.). have u npced after patch o_0?
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:58:00 - [148] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Dao 2 edit: like i said id be making bout 100mil a day tops, usually not on weekdays. i can make that in like 3 1/2 hours now just off the bounties :\| You're forgetting the mining mods that just came in, you can mine more now. And you're saying you get 30mil/hour in bounties npcing? Where are you doing this? -1.0 system ;p A-ha, then you need to compare it to the absolute best mining. Morphite or the best arkonor or something. I get 30m/hour doing that. If you make 20m/hour NPCing, it's starting to get fair.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.19 03:00:00 - [149] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/12/2005 03:02:51 Originally by: Dao 2 have u npced after patch o_0? Yep. Also, seems that my guessed ISKs making numbers to tally with others above me in this thread so far. So, conclusion is, market will still hold and not be expensive because mining is still lucractive like before. Mining > NPCing but NPCing with some luck can earn more than mining on some days. Looks balanced to me, as in NPCing is a little more profitable than before but not at the expense of mining. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.19 03:01:00 - [150] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Dao 2 have u npced after patch o_0? Yep. i have no idea why ur getting ****ty as npcs :S im getting tons of good ones, i can barely find a spawn i could tank mine with ;p

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