Mine in high sec for safety. Ore may not be worth as much but you won't have to jeopardize a rorq! You'll noticate that your profits won't change much if any.

We are repeating things that CCP have said as to why boosts are being pushed on-grid. They are currently very high reward for little to no risk, whether that's mining or combat boosting and that's not what Eve is about.

If you want a counter to BLOPS gangs then I suggest finding friends who like to hunt such things or join up with a large null-sec group that's recruiting industrialists and will protect them (everyone likes when the bait is helping make your replacement ships after all). Alternatively you could find a wormhole corp to take you in, same principal, no hot-drops.

If you somehow feel that you should be able to, as a miner without using a combat ship, completely interdict an enemy force... well that's kind of unrealistic. They are working together to kill you and you should have to work together to kill them. This is not a solo-man's game.

How do Navy Mindlinks work on strategic cruisers? The patch notes say they boost two links based on the command ship bonus but strategic cruisers have three bonuses.

Are you trying to get rid of mining all together? My Orca Pilots wanna go back to playing WOW now. I think you should look at Rebalancing Titans and other big money ships so that people actually get back in the pilot seat of these beasts. Why you catering to noobs for. This game is a grind and its not supposed to be something that happens overnight. You should be looking at keeping your long term players happy and not just noobs.

How do Navy Mindlinks work on strategic cruisers? The patch notes say they boost two links based on the command ship bonus but strategic cruisers have three bonuses.

For mining they are not, in null sec you just make a little more than mining in hi sec while the risks are much bigger, certainly post Odyssee. Addng on-grid mining boosts will only furhter unbalance this.

You sould not have taken that literally but more as an example of current situation. I am surely no solo player, you can not be in null sec

I am part of a large null sec group, we do hunt these gangs with a passion. But do you have any idea what it takes to trap these gangs? Or even their cynos? With hit and run (read bridge in and out) tactics these gangs are long gone before we can even form up a fleet to counter them. And even if we do they just cloak up and bridge out. And where will I hire protection and how will I pay them while we are constantly at war with pvp pliots deployed? This shows that the risks of mining in null sec are already big enough without having to add more risks.

CCP I really wish you would stop messing with this games balance so much. I understand that boosts are perhaps a bit overpowered, maybe. However, with these new changes and proposed changes in the future my second account will loose much of its value to me. I have spent 2 years, and 360$ funding game time on that account. It's only two purposes are to off grid boost and scout. I will never use this toon as an on grid booster, as i don't want to manage two on grid toons at once. My main never bother training boosting because i had an alt account. When making such drastic changes perhaps you should offer players that pay money for this game a refund on skill points when making such drastic changes. Or perhaps all my leaderships skills on my alt account could be added to my main accounts toon, so that i could actually on grid boost. Now i am faced with the choice of forgeting about boosting or training it on this toon........ I have almost 70 mil sp now and really don't want to spend another 15 mil on leadership yet again, when i have so much left that I want to train for.

These changes alone are going to be enough to break eve for me, it has taken me a fair amount of money and time to get 2 boosting accounts running along side my main, the severity of the t3 links nerf has directly cost CCP my subscription for those 2 accounts from the end of the month.

That said I do love the changes to command ships and think that needed doing very badly. I would love to see on grid boosting become a viable option. Sadly all you have done is put more of my isk on the field to be blobbed to death and removed nano tactics from the game as a viable option.

No one in lowsec cares how much links affect the big fleets in 0.0, maybe a stacking nerf to links with the number of people in a fleet would have been a better option, but you have ruined the small gang even more than you did with the bloody t1 logi buff.

Thanks again CCP for costing me less every month i may be able to afford star citizen when it comes out.

Just wanted to ask Ponder, what it is about the fleet boosting change that has had such a pivotal effect on the game for you?

This is not a challenge, it's just that your response is an extreme one that makes me wonder if there's an angle I have missed?

Are you able to say exactly which changes break your small gang doctrine and why?

I ask because I am interested.

Probably because he can no longer run them unattended from the safety of his tower.

Low sec elite solo PvP for many = you're the only one on the KM, but you've got siege/armor + loki links

These changes alone are going to be enough to break eve for me, it has taken me a fair amount of money and time to get 2 boosting accounts running along side my main, the severity of the t3 links nerf has directly cost CCP my subscription for those 2 accounts from the end of the month.

That said I do love the changes to command ships and think that needed doing very badly. I would love to see on grid boosting become a viable option. Sadly all you have done is put more of my isk on the field to be blobbed to death and removed nano tactics from the game as a viable option.

No one in lowsec cares how much links affect the big fleets in 0.0, maybe a stacking nerf to links with the number of people in a fleet would have been a better option, but you have ruined the small gang even more than you did with the bloody t1 logi buff.

Thanks again CCP for costing me less every month i may be able to afford star citizen when it comes out.


And for the record, yes im mad bro.

oh my god ... please return long long training time and money...

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Powergrid need of all warfare links modules decreased by 100.
Quick mention of the changes to Strategic Cruiser Warfare Processor subsystems:

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why nerf Skirmish Warfare link...
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Probably because he can no longer run them unattended from the safety of his tower.

Low sec elite solo PvP for many = you're the only one on the KM, but you've got siege/armor + loki links

They should make information warfare an universal type (bonuses on all hulls or just bigger base bonuses) and change them to more provide more generic sensor augmentations.
Introduce a fifth type for Amarr/Caldari that complements eWar proper (think Recons) and/or synergizes with Skirmish links (extra tackle (points/web) strength) for example so that there will be a reason, however small, to use Amarr/Caldari hulls at all .. especially when/if they pull the trigger on axing the horrible brick bonus.

Why on Earth are the PvP centric skirmish links only available to the Winmatar/Gallente constellation and how many Dev neurons had to misfire to slap information links onto the supposed tanky race?

I think you missing the real point of what Naja Ashei was saying-he talking about being small gang and "going up against the Odds"-like outnumbered/outclassed-decent Link bonuses encourage fights between mismatched gangs or pushing a dual/multi-boxer to have a go significantly outnumbered.

I do think the links could have been left well alone-off the top of my head i'd maybe say remove T3s ability to run links(i get the impression that decently skilling a T3 isnt that skill-intensive for the bonus you get? ) and i really have no problem with bringing Boosters on-grid-i think that might be a decent enough counter to them that sit in POS' or loiter somewhere cloaked in a deep(ish) safe until an engagement starts etc....a well-skilled Command Ship flying boosting Char. takes ages to skill for(sometimes i get the feeling that folks think it some kind of train overnight-win thing) .
I notice a few posts from guys that i can identify with-they not using boosts to go around deliberately OP and dropping masses of ships on solo stuff or hoodwinking someone in 1v1s...i would think that there a heap of players that use boosts for the flying outnumbered or multi-boxing against gangs etc.....its complex,tricky,shall i?/shan't i? against-the-odds stuff....great fun to do.....so why are you(CCP) wanting to mess with that ?

Im totally prepared to wait to see just how badly the nerf is going to affect things-Interdiction getting hammered is a biggie-and maybe the Mindlink halving...all in conjunction with the CS changes(more "lets make everything the same" stuff it seems)....if it does end up all gimped and you think the Chars. wasted then simple-just unsub that Char....and be sure to fill in the Survey when you un-sub when it asks for the specific reason why

This is a long thread but the last few pages the "regular" supporters of the nerf-and this noticeable in the CS changes thread too-the more posts they submit as counters to any dissent it becomes more and more apparent that they basing their replies and counters on eft-warrioring and PvE stuff like Incursions-i dont REALLY get the impression that they have that much idea beyond what they can analyse from CCPs stuff/other thread comments and the paper stats etc from stuff like EFT/whats the other one?--pyft or somethin?

The intent is for Info Links to be geared more toward large fleet fights and Skirmish to be geared more toward smaller gang stuff. In a large fleet fight Skirmish only helps you avoid damage if you're moving very carefully, otherwise you're going to end up with low traversal against some part of the enemy blob and then your sig radius won't help you much.

Plus with Skirmish Links on the less brick-tanked half of the Command Ships you're looking at something of a trade-off for using them in large fleets. Not a huge one but it's still there.

I get that, but wasn't the whole point of this CC revision to make each and every one of them capable in their own right and lay the foundation for the move to on-grid? The fact that we still have Fleet and Field (as per your own description) shows that the exercise so far has been a bust.

Why not mix it up some so that both constellations (Amarr/Caldari, Minmatar/Gallente) have access to all the options? Won't even need to go so far as to make a fifth class as I mentioned, one could just:
Damn: Armour/Skirmish.
Abso: Armour/ Info (Abso with skirmish is too scary, much like Astarte will be when/if link ship gets own bonuses).
NH: Shield/Skirmish.
Vulture: Shield/Info.
Etc.

As for the "trade off" .. where will that be if the Devs manages to come up with a way for relatively low EHP CC's (ie. when bricks go byebye) to survive in blobby weather (ex. recoded spectrum breakers + bonus to use). When that happens you are left with a whopping 50%+ of the newly rebalanced ships not having a purpose whatsoever.

Equal opportunity.

I believe the intent is to create trade-offs in what you skill for and allow a pilot to use their Command Ship's racial setup without being restricted by weapons systems. Getting into this leads to why not armor/shield for every race or why not weapons AND skirmish/info and that ends up with every race needing six+ different command ship hulls.

Personally I prefer the weapons trade-off to weird and unintuitive link mixing.

You are welcome to advocate for a different preference but CCP gets to make the final decision there.

same old same old


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