funny i never seen bs fleets since 2011

It does pay off, doesn't it? all that time spent to train and max 4 different T3s and 4 different command ships, while two of each could have been enough.
hooray for wasted SP that i'll (a) never recover and (b) will now be worth ditch when selling a character in the future.

just a reminder of an idea how to force link ships on grid:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245209&find=unread

I'm not convinced that either the training time or the cost is really that relevant. We know from supercaps that attempts to balance things by making them expensive or difficult to get can only create a short-term scarcity. As it is, links are already basically ubiquitous and mandatory, so the benefit of any delay in adoption that might have come from the cost or training time is long gone.

In any case, you can eliminate the "cost" argument entirely by just shoving a link on a T1 BC. It's not quite as powerful as a T3 or CS, but the magnitude of the bonus still makes it mandatory.

maybe first?

e: boom

e2:


It's previously been suggested that active links cause an increase in a ship's sig radius (thus discouraging the 'AFK in a safespot' approach by making them easier to probe). Has this been considered?

Their numbers are ******* wrong and ******** anyways. Crosspoast from FHC:

The following are all Lvl 5s and no implants:

My Incursus without Legion links: 5k EHP, 89 DPS Tank from AAR
My Incursus with Legion links: 7k EHP, 205 DPS Tank from AAR

That's a 40% bonus in EHP and 130% bonus in active tank. That's ridiculous. I could see 10% bonus in EHP and 25% bonus in active tank.

My condor without Loki links: 24km point range, 3618m/s velocity
My condor with Loki links:36.7km point range, 4705m/s velocity

That's a 53% bonus in point range and 30% bonus in velocity. Keeping it real yo.

My Hawk without Tengu links: 6.3k EHP, 189 DPS Tank
My Hawk with Tengu links: 8.7k EHP, 411 DPS Tank

That's a 39% bonus in EHP and 120% bonus in active tank. I've got a DPS tank higher than any frig/dessie can even output.

Links are so overpowered the concept of fighting without them is alien to us.
This isn't "We have a 10% edge on tanks thanks to HERO ITSMEHCK in the Damnation!"
This is "We have a 30% bonus in EHP and a 100% bonus in reps thanks to ::RANDOM COWARD ALT:: sitting in a safe somewhere in system."
******** game mechanic is ********. I haven't lost an Incursus in weeks because nothing I engage can kill me. It's awesome.

And you realize that that +1 Falcon or Logi can be countered much more easily than your safed up boosting alt?
And you realize that that +1 Falcon or Logi provides a much, much less force boost than the fleet than that OGB?

1. It takes skill to not get caught dual boxing with links while being shot at. If you can't be bothered to dedicate time to train leadership skill and get better at pvp to counter the player who spent their time on fine tuning their skills, then you ought to be at disadvantage. It's a fair game, more effort, more reward.

2. It takes a lot of time and dedication to train for those warfare specializations. Those who made the effort and dedication should be rewarded with the advantages that it comes. It is unfair for pilots that have spent more than half year dedicated to nothing but training specialization skills to perform almost just as good as pilot who can spent less than a month to train the specialization to 4 with only 2% differences. It's a 37 day train time differences per skill, and there are 4 of them

3. Pilot who spent their time training command ship to level 5 for that extra 3% wafare bonus just had their effort wasted, because now every single command ship will perform the same as far as the warfare link goes whether they have command ship skill level 1 or 5. Another 37day training time differences.

The nerf to the warfare link strength is absolutely unfair to those who dedicated months of time in training for that extra 5% of chance to come out on top in a fight. If you are going to nerf the strength of the links, then it would only be fair to reinburse the skill points that was nerfed along with the skill. It is simply unfair to have to spend a month for additional 2% difference at links.

- For pilots that have all specialization skill to 5, they have just lost half year of game time in training for that worthless 2% differences.

- For pilots that have spent their time to command ship 5, they lost 37 day of game time in training because now everyone will do just as good as command ship level 5 pilots as far as warfare module goes.

Please consider the pilots that dedicated their time in warfare links in hope to have better chance against overcoming blobs in a small gang.

Awesome.

Copypasting my post from FHC

Those navy implants really should be expensive, not like twice the cost of vanilla mindlinks, more like 5x the isk and LP cost. It's a no-brainer, nobody's NOT going to pay that negligible premium for twice the versatility afforded by navy implants. At 400-500M each, maybe then considering cheap 80m isk vanilla implants might not be such a bad idea.

e.g. CONCORD LP rewards are 10,875 LP + 10,875,000 isk for 3% implants, while 6% implants cost 250k LP + 250M isk. But they plan to make double the mindlink functionality only cost barely double and change? Not saying it needs to scale as severely as hardwirings, but it should be at a hefty premium if you choose to fit them. As it stands now it's ******* dumb.

To put them into perspective, the current boosts increase the rep power of an incursus about 125% (or less depending on your fit, as gang links and modules and rigs can all suffer stacking penalties).

With the change, the max armor boosts will increase your incursus' rep power by about 70%. (or less depending on stacking penalties).

This is a significant reduction, but it is still more powerful than anything you can get by drugs or even pirate implants. IMO, that means, since they can be provided while off grid, they are still too potent!

You don't get it do you? Nerfing T3 links and buffing commandship links mean that the more number you have it's easier to pull one people to be in the commandship. When you have 3 people, putting one of them in commandship loses 1/3 of your entire dps. When you have 20? You lose 1/20.

So making commandship links superier to T3 links ends up to buff larger fleet and somewhat kill small fleet by giving even better links to the larger fleet and worse one to the small fleet. You get this?

You are taking the chances away from small fleet by doing this balancing. Who would want to fight larger numbers when you know they have even better links than yours?

Just make the all links the same or delete the whole links stuff tbh. It's the better way to go.

The fact still stands: links belong to grid.

The "fact" that "solo" players need to own small to medium gangs is irrelevant.

Not balanced at all:
skirmish - 4 bonuses (all races)
siege - 2 bonuses
armored and information - 3 bonuses.

Swap skirmish bonus on Proteus with siege (there are shield fit gallente ships) to balance things out.