POS Refinery a) Again will make rorquals more common in w-space. Same benefits as listed above. The point about frontier mining in nullsec is something I'd like to discuss further. Before w-space my corp had a month-long NPC null adventure. We wanted to mine, being an industrial corp and all. Having no outpost access was a real pain, slashing our profits and contributing to our eventual eviction (refinery takes a lot of CPU/PG, hard to defend against caps with limited guns). Enabling 100% compressed ore refining would mean more corps would put up POSes in NPC null or even loosly-controlled sov null to mine untapped resources. They would be quite vulnerable with a refinery array online, again increasing the amount of PvP / POS bashing that could occur. Again this would destabilize the mineral market further than it has been now with the ore rebalance, as this would also increase the supply of rare minerals (why mine veld?)
POS Refinery b) Makes POS refineries much more viable while still penalizing their use over a station. This is probably the better idea as its impact in nullsec is much more limited, most corps will still compress and ship to an outpost. It would make w-space industry at least potentially viable, competing with HS markets would not be as impossible as with a 25% loss.

Alliance Array Usage: This would both encourage proportion of industrial POSes out there and simultaneously decrease the total number, as being able to share 1 array with an alliance means corps don't need to anchor their own POS for access to one such array.

I can elaborate on my ideas further in the forum section if people are interested.

Elaborate, that is why this thread is here.

And yes Alliance Array Usage would help a ton. Setting up Roles for that though, yeesh that'd be tough.

Supers need to be able to move to and from W-Space, and should be buildable within wormholes.

get. the fk. out.

there are a LOT of really bad ideas being posted in this thread but this is by FAR the worst.

Supers need to be able to move to and from W-Space, and should be buildable within wormholes.

he should really keep his trolls in GD

there are a LOT of really bad ideas being posted in this thread but this is by FAR the worst.

Kicking in-space: It would help keep legitimate corps safe but would endanger members as they could arrive in a new corp, leave all their stuff in the POS and then suddenly be kicked, losing it all. In removing a threat to personal safety it introduces a new one, so the best counter-measure I can think of is a timer and a notice to the member being kicked so they can both retrieve their assets and discuss the issue with management.

Some ideas are really good, for instance:

- I like the idea to make the the class of the statics wormhole more random. 75% the usual static, 20% higher or lower class than usual and 5% k-space could be interesting.

- I agree that a POS revamp is needed badly. This will have a bigger impact on WHs than anything else they can come up with. Adding tabs to SMAs (like hangars) would be a start.

However, I do not like ideas that make living in a wormhole more a painful, such as more randomness on the mass/time of a wormhole.

......so we all agree there is nothing wrong with wh space and please CCP dont try to fix what is not broken.

Supers need to be able to move to and from W-Space, and should be buildable within wormholes.

Hello everyone.

I will be doing comprehensive post on CCP/CSM forums about wspace. It will include current issues and possible fixes. I hope that at least some of those suggestions/explanations will mature into actual content.

I would like the community to list all possible issues/bugs/annoyances/small and large things.

If you list your personal annoyance or bug or issue please also post the suggested fix and its possible impact (good or bad).

If you decide to post feature request please elaborate it as much as you can. Include the ideas on how it will impact the community in general.

Thank you for your ideas!

Problem:

With a small percentage of the player base transversing wormhole space, it is extremely time intensive to find other active players to interact with. I think it would be great to have more tools available to detect and track the movement of ships within wormhole chains. Enabling more ways to track could bring players together more quickly. Any solution should also maintain the tactics of stealth particular to w-space.

Proposed Solution:

Make it possible for scouts to examine/scan a wormhole for evidence of ships that have passed through it. These GÇ£tracksGÇ¥ would fade over time becoming harder to detect, or the results detected have a greater chance of being inaccurate. The wormhole scanner could be a mid slot module that is affected by a skill. The higher the skill level the greater accuracy of scans. It would work something like:

Scout jumps through an unexplored wormhole and scans out the system. He finds a few wormholes. After warping to the hole he de-cloaks, locks the wormhole, and activates his hole scanner.

The results would not have to be text, cool multicolor visual effects showing up on the wormhole would be sweet, but the scan output would give the scout info such as:

GÇ£A single small ship has has transversed this wormhole very recently.GÇ¥

The output would stack and vary based on approximate ship quantity, size, and time since passing through.

GÇ£A single small ship has has transversed this wormhole very recently.GÇ¥
GÇ£A few mid-sized ships have transversed this wormhole within the past hour.GÇ¥
GÇ£A large ship traversed this wormhole many hours ago.GÇ¥

As time passes the scans could become more inaccurate based on the age of the ship tracks, pilot skill level, random environmental effects etc.

Possible Result:

The addition of a system like this could help provide players with more information while exploring, reward good decision making, and bring players together faster for potential interactions.

Wormhole PVE needs a good looking at. W-space needs another marketable product besides blue loot and T3 components. Implant production? W-space NPC factions or some kind of sleeper missioning? Something to break up the monotony of escalations, huffing, and site clearing

PS: if you want randomness, go run quarantine areas...

this is something I don't get. people from large 'PVP' corps constantly complaining about WH PVE.
Maybe the correct solution here is to stop being a carebear.

WH PVE is just fine and a lot better than anywhere else.
It is challenging (for people who have not been doing it for years) and has the best rewards of any PVE anywhere when run at peak efficiency.

Who cares what the PVE produces? Isk is Isk and if it comes from implants or t3 subs or just blue loot makes no difference.

PS: if you want randomness, go run quarantine areas...

this is something I don't get. people from large 'PVP' corps constantly complaining about WH PVE.
Maybe the correct solution here is to stop being a carebear.

WH PVE is just fine and a lot better than anywhere else.
It is challenging (for people who have not been doing it for years) and has the best rewards of any PVE anywhere when run at peak efficiency.

Who cares what the PVE produces? Isk is Isk and if it comes from implants or t3 subs or just blue loot makes no difference.

PS: if you want randomness, go run quarantine areas...

And a far as PvE goes, I'd really like to see some pve combat related stuff for higher end WH's impimented that don't take caps and dreads or thirty guys in subcaps and logi to do.

And a far as PvE goes, I'd really like to see some pve combat related stuff for higher end WH's impimented that don't take caps and dreads or thirty guys in subcaps and logi to do.

Second: Economics is the reason why what it produces is important!! Supply, demand, etc.? Yeah, that stuff. The actual loot is not important but what it makes and how much it is worth is very important.

Combat metas have been locked down to T3 AHACs with Guardian support and there's not a whole lot of variation on that front.