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Pel Xadi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:35:00 -
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PlayerName wrote:Pel Xadi wrote:This imo contravenes rule 23 of the terms of service in the EULA:
"You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting. Luckily for us and the player base as a whole, this wasn't for you to decide. If it was, I'm sure EVE would be as dull as you are. I can quote things and link wikipedia articles too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_Bears(not exactly what I was looking for, but everyone get's the idea)
Well that doesn't really make sense, as its Skunworks who have been claiming to correct this failing in the system with such "gusto".
Seems a heavily contradictory answer, or are you claiming then that Skunworks are in fact the biggest carebears atm? ;)
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Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
67
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:39:00 -
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Right, and I forgot, we didn't exercise any "unfair advantage" over other players. The mechanic wasn't in the least bit shrouded from anyone, nor were it's consequences. We simply put it to better use than anyone else had done so far because we were able to target such a rich environment of careless players with more ISK than sense, and social engineer said group of muppets just enough to convince them to part with the deficit of their ratio. (This environment didn't exist in such a magnitude prior to Incursions, btw.)
~Andrei. |
Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
67
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:40:00 -
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Pel Xadi wrote:
Seems a heavily contradictory answer, or are you claiming then that Skunworks are in fact the biggest carebears atm? ;)
Confirming, SKNK. are in fact the biggest carebears atm.
~Andrei. |
Pel Xadi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:49:00 -
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Andrei Taganov wrote:Pel Xadi wrote:The difference being is that from your own admission you knowingly abused this flawed mechanic as opposed to avoiding it. It was your "choice" to profit from its abuse at the expense of others by using it. This imo contravenes rule 23 of the terms of service in the EULA: "You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. " And by definition a bug includes flawed mechanics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bugQue sera sera. Meet Andrei Taganov wrote:Also, this mechanic was "working as intended" until we got our hands on it blah, blah ~Andrei.
All nice rhetoric, but you still seem to fail to grasp the difference. In that from your own position and stance you chose to abuse what you felt was a bug in the system. You admitted this, in fact went to painful lengths of feeding your own ego to justify it as such. So as a result you knowingly from your own viewpoint and understanding abused the system. This is where the difference arises from what your trying to debate as an excuse for not accepting responsibility for your own actions.
I wont judge the actions of everyone for every view point about their concerns for the game, that would be daft. But seems to be what your trying to provoke me into doing. Sorry won't fall for that kind of manipulation. Other issues are subjective until considered in their own particular context as a result.
Just seems like a massive climb down from what you were trying to wear as a nice pretty medal earlier. ;) |
Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
67
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:32:00 -
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Pel Xadi wrote:
More irrelevant stuff...
(I guess we're redacting each other down to 'blah, blah" now, while basically empty quoting ourselves, in an attempt to generate a favorable stance through self posturing... I feel like, where the situation flipped, you might petition CCP to add some sort of popup to these forums to prevent precisely this sort of shenanigan.)
I don't recall admitting it was a bug (and I did point out the intrinsic difference, in rather reasonable terms). no feeding of my ego was purposed with justifying my actions in a video game, and the video game is giving back quite bountifully to my ego right now all by itself (check EN24, the giant TV in the CQ, or any Concord billboard in space), it's "you're" when you intend to use the "you are" contraction (can't let the classic slip), you quoted me and made some irrelevant post immediately following (so I don't see how I'm trying to provoke you), and now you're contradicting yourself by calling it:
Pel Xadi wrote:
... a nice pretty medal...
so soon after saying:
Pel Xadi wrote:
...so insignificant a change...
...simply a double standard of simplistic propoganda...
...So much stupid fail...
...incursion griefer "loser"...
You still haven't chosen which of the three prepared options I offered you to prevent precisely this sort of embarrassing situation from arising is your stance. I would advise you to limit further communications to that list, so that in the future you will be able to remain on topic in this discussion. Also, it's honestly tiring chasing down all of your scattered arguments; please pick something and stick to it, if you want to have a constructive debate. (If not, bravo on your excellent trolling skills.)
~Andrei. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
109
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:48:00 -
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Andrei, your attempt to portray CCP's hotpatch as a victory for you and your friends is so cute!
Just admit it, CCP likes those who run incursions more than they like you.
How does that make you feel?
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
3
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:51:00 -
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Pel Xadi wrote:Andrei Taganov wrote:Pel Xadi wrote:The difference being is that from your own admission you knowingly abused this flawed mechanic as opposed to avoiding it. It was your "choice" to profit from its abuse at the expense of others by using it. This imo contravenes rule 23 of the terms of service in the EULA: "You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. " And by definition a bug includes flawed mechanics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bugQue sera sera. Meet Andrei Taganov wrote:Also, this mechanic was "working as intended" until we got our hands on it blah, blah ~Andrei. All nice rhetoric, but you still seem to fail to grasp the difference. In that from your own position and stance you chose to abuse what you felt was a bug in the system. You admitted this, in fact went to painful lengths of feeding your own ego to justify it as such. So as a result you knowingly from your own viewpoint and understanding abused the system. This is where the difference arises from what your trying to debate as an excuse for not accepting responsibility for your own actions. I wont judge the actions of everyone for every view point about their concerns for the game, that would be daft. But seems to be what your trying to provoke me into doing. Sorry won't fall for that kind of manipulation. Other issues are subjective until considered in their own particular context as a result. Just seems like a massive climb down from what you were trying to wear as a nice pretty medal earlier. ;)
How does it ******* matter what THEY think is a bug or not? I think incursions are bugged, some CCP employee who was working on it clearly put a 0 too much in the ISK outcome formula because he was coding while being over the Ballmer Peak
( http://xkcd.com/323/ )
Does it matter? No because CCP thinks it's working as intended. Do i run incursions knowing that it MUST be a bug anyway and abuse this bug? Well actually i dont but its not because i think they are bugged and i dont want to abuse it because i couldnt care less about that.
Since CCP didn't warn or ban any of them they didn't abuse any bug because the mechanics was not considered a bug by CCP until now.
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Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
67
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Posted - 2011.11.12 12:08:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:
My dad can beat up The Skunkworks' dad.
No one blames you for being jelly, bro.
~Andrei. |
Shaotuk
YOU BETTER
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 12:49:00 -
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Perhaps this patch will allow enough breathing room for skunkworks to obtain a well-needed diaper change. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
109
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Posted - 2011.11.12 13:49:00 -
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Andrei Taganov wrote:Ammzi wrote:
My dad can beat up The Skunkworks' dad.
No one blames you for being jelly, bro. ~Andrei.
That doesn't even make sense.... why should I be jelly? My occupation in EVE didn't just get nerfed 
U mad bro? Come at me man!
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Gazmin VanBurin
Go Petition Blizzard
21
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:52:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:That doesn't even make sense.... why should I be jelly? My occupation in EVE didn't just get nerfed U mad bro? Come at me man!
Last I heard our occupation in eve was harvesting tears, kill mails, and giving people a hard time... IGÇÖm pretty sure business is still good. We made care bears lives a living hell before we griefed incursions, during, and will long after.
P.S. The reason your jelly is because we can have fun wherever we go in eve, and our tear harvest this season was especially sweet. |
Marcoss Marshall
Society of Free Agents
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 18:31:00 -
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okay did anyone else see this?
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/11/11/dead-irish-interviews-psychotic-monk/#idc-container
look in the comments.
http://pastebin.com/uuJYLxnQ
wtf. |
Pel Xadi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.11.12 20:25:00 -
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Just quickly like to thank the "annonymous" benefactor who provided me with some ISK for previous communications. |
Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.12 22:16:00 -
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well, we got nerfed too, that didnt stop us, it just made us bitter. I suggest you find other ways to extract tears from incusion runner. I am thinking something along the line of wardecs and spies. Maybe you could set up an incursion running corp with 60% tax and a weekly dividend, gather mass assets and then walk away with everything. Oh wait I should not have said that.
How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akira T)
http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
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Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
68
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Posted - 2011.11.12 23:10:00 -
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I think it's cute that you bears are trying so hard to get tears from us.
Speaking of tears, I hadn't actually sat down and thought about how much crying it must have actually taken to get CCP to change code so quickly. I mean, that was a hotfix, not an announced and tested on SiSi patch. You guys must have really been pouring them out! I mean seriously, think about how much rage those 200ish Incursion bears must have crammed into their petitions in order to get CCP to act so quickly. Yeah, it still makes me feel kinda proud.
Oh yeah, and who was it who said we weren't affecting the game? Because that one's moot now.
So we get dec'd by (some) Incursion bears > absolutely smash that war to the tune of 121Bil destroyed and 240Mil lost > are told we aren't affecting the game because Incursions are capable of making so much more ISK than we can destroy > then we are responsible for a hotpatch that directly affects the game.
I don't see where you guys are getting these impressions of us losing from? Perhaps your tears are still blurring your vision, you should go clean yourselves up.
Oh, and we had shiploads of fun doing it, and made at least as much ISK as anyone else in those Incursions. In fact, now SKNK. has the shiniest fleet that will land in any Incursion, if we ever stoop to shooting pluses.
So, again, remind me what it is that I'm losing?
~Andrei. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
111
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Posted - 2011.11.12 23:25:00 -
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Well hello mr. positive. I bet your boss likes that feature about you. 
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
68
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Posted - 2011.11.12 23:46:00 -
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My boss would probably like it if I didn't spend so much time on a space-forum...
If I had a boss...
Or a job...
:*(
~Andrei. |
Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
68
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Posted - 2011.11.12 23:47:00 -
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Andrei Taganov wrote:
:*(
~Andrei.
OMG griefer tears?!?!
/me scoops them up for safe keeping!
~Andrei. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
299
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Posted - 2011.11.13 01:40:00 -
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Just tried to have an actual fight in this **** pile of a game. A fight involving logistics.
Oh hey, no no no! Says CONCORD. Gotta turn off that repper every 2.3 seconds whilst you are trying to rep your CORP MATE who is also in a MOTHERFUCKING FLEET with you so I can make extra special sparkly sure you want to let the other guy possibly be mean to you as a result.
So. *******. Annoying. You lose a whole **** pile of your effective logistics who are spamming to try to get the buttons pressed.
But, of course, CCP don't care. As long as Incursion bears are happy.
And no, this doesn't just affect highsec.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Andrei Taganov
The Skunkworks
68
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Posted - 2011.11.13 01:47:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Just tried to have an actual fight in this **** pile of a game. A fight involving logistics.
Oh hey, no no no! Says CONCORD. Gotta turn off that repper every 2.3 seconds whilst you are trying to rep your CORP MATE who is also in a MOTHERFUCKING FLEET with you so I can make extra special sparkly sure you want to let the other guy possibly be mean to you as a result.
So. *******. Annoying. You lose a whole **** pile of your effective logistics who are spamming to try to get the buttons pressed.
But, of course, CCP don't care. As long as Incursion bears are happy.
And no, this doesn't just affect highsec.
:trollface.jpg:
And finally someone notices the true nature of our newly gifted troll! I think the pubbies either don't participate in PvP, or have been trying to withhold their tears from my collection.  Damn it feels good to be a gangster...
I, for one, have already disabled this annoying popup, and I welcome you all to do the same!
~Andrei. |
rareden
The Skunkworks
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 02:08:00 -
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Indeed ccp is starting to kill their own game, making it a little carebear haven for all the bears to come together and feel safe in their faction fit macs running incursions makeing ridiculous amounts of isk for 1month old characters. yea incursions are not op at all, funney they nerf us for fixing their broken game |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
111
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Posted - 2011.11.13 02:30:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Just tried to have an actual fight in this **** pile of a game. A fight involving logistics.
Oh hey, no no no! Says CONCORD. Gotta turn off that repper every 2.3 seconds whilst you are trying to rep your CORP MATE who is also in a MOTHERFUCKING FLEET with you so I can make extra special sparkly sure you want to let the other guy possibly be mean to you as a result.
So. *******. Annoying. You lose a whole **** pile of your effective logistics who are spamming to try to get the buttons pressed.
But, of course, CCP don't care. As long as Incursion bears are happy.
And no, this doesn't just affect highsec.
And whose fault is that?
Tsk tsk tsk ... just see what you have accomplished.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Shaotuk
YOU BETTER
1
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Posted - 2011.11.13 12:56:00 -
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rareden wrote:Indeed ccp is starting to kill their own game, making it a little carebear haven for all the bears to come together and feel safe in their faction fit macs running incursions makeing ridiculous amounts of isk for 1month old characters. yea incursions are not op at all, funney they nerf us for fixing their broken game
Definite tears going on in this post... |
Maximus Saissore
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 13:21:00 -
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I shouldn't be surprised by stunts like this any more, but...damn. Well played.
Does anyone know for sure who hired them? |
Sturmwolke
40
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Posted - 2011.11.13 14:47:00 -
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Amateurs ... too transparent.
I wasted my popcorn  |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
300
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:09:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Just tried to have an actual fight in this **** pile of a game. A fight involving logistics.
Oh hey, no no no! Says CONCORD. Gotta turn off that repper every 2.3 seconds whilst you are trying to rep your CORP MATE who is also in a MOTHERFUCKING FLEET with you so I can make extra special sparkly sure you want to let the other guy possibly be mean to you as a result.
So. *******. Annoying. You lose a whole **** pile of your effective logistics who are spamming to try to get the buttons pressed.
But, of course, CCP don't care. As long as Incursion bears are happy.
And no, this doesn't just affect highsec. And whose fault is that? Tsk tsk tsk ... just see what you have accomplished.
You're right, of course.
At no point in playing a game should people use anything to their advantage, because obviously the logical result is that the developer will implement a fix that fucks over other parts of the game.
slashsarcasm
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
proxwar
Klaatu Technologies
11
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:20:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Just tried to have an actual fight in this **** pile of a game. A fight involving logistics.
Oh hey, no no no! Says CONCORD. Gotta turn off that repper every 2.3 seconds whilst you are trying to rep your CORP MATE who is also in a MOTHERFUCKING FLEET with you so I can make extra special sparkly sure you want to let the other guy possibly be mean to you as a result.
So. *******. Annoying. You lose a whole **** pile of your effective logistics who are spamming to try to get the buttons pressed.
But, of course, CCP don't care. As long as Incursion bears are happy.
And no, this doesn't just affect highsec.
Disable pop up.
Problem soved. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
300
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:31:00 -
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proxwar wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Just tried to have an actual fight in this **** pile of a game. A fight involving logistics.
Oh hey, no no no! Says CONCORD. Gotta turn off that repper every 2.3 seconds whilst you are trying to rep your CORP MATE who is also in a MOTHERFUCKING FLEET with you so I can make extra special sparkly sure you want to let the other guy possibly be mean to you as a result.
So. *******. Annoying. You lose a whole **** pile of your effective logistics who are spamming to try to get the buttons pressed.
But, of course, CCP don't care. As long as Incursion bears are happy.
And no, this doesn't just affect highsec. Disable pop up. Problem solved.
Try it, then you'll see the problem.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
111
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:52:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:
You're right, of course.
At no point in playing a game should people use anything to their advantage, because obviously the logical result is that the developer will implement a fix that fucks over other parts of the game.
slashsarcasm
Exactly, this is EVE. You have only yourself to blame for getting screwed over. 
PS: No seriously. I love how this once brilliant feature came back and bit you all in the ass. Hands down, I love the irony.
I use neut logis myself and this feature messes it up, so disabling the automatic concord shutdown of reps should be implemented for those who need it.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alexandria Aesirial
Masons of New Eden
The Laughing Men
2
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Posted - 2011.11.13 20:31:00 -
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Good stuff but it's funny that you are whining about the bears wardecking you. Grow some balls. 
It's only blobbing when you lose, otherwise it's good fleet comp. |
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