-.- really??? really?? lol listen we know you guys juat want to play the game grief and laugh. I get it I really do. about 5 months ago people started pitching in to war dec the people who grief them in incs..... it isn't btl.. it isn't tdf...

its people who you angered. you personally never kileld me, a corp or an alliance mate or even a friend. when people send killmails and you reach a certain number we ask for public donations if we get everything we need we go with the community's request to dec.

Nothing personal. I know you guys deal with god squad and frankly it doesn't bother me if you dont fight. if they keep paying someone gets hired that is just the way it goes.

when you get bored... contact me and I vote up a vote if they want to stop deccing... in general that is how it works.

Messenger only <----

btw I do still hate you :P

oh by the way if it means anything to you 193 peopel pitched in. enough for 3 months on you. hope you are happy

Then Skunkworks got a dec from God Squad. That was a bit of a head scratcher for us, as we had just started making friendly with them a bit over a mutual war against No Kings. We had a convo with God Squad and they claimed that a bunch of people from the BTL channel hired them to dec us.

Only a pubbie would think that people other than Goons use the term "pubbie".

As a representative from BTL pub I'd like to firmly point out that BTL operators, moderators or FC's generally in charge have not issued any war declarations on behalf of BTL Pub.
Our simple goal is to provide incursions for everyone, everywhere at anytime. When you say "people from BTL" that means pilots who use our service (channel) that are non-affiliated with BTL pub.
Your reasoning for a "war declaration" is therefore put on a wrong basis.

v0v Talk to carmelos53, since he made himself out to be a representative of BTL pub.

Is that who that is? Hmm, I guess I laid blame on the wrong set of incursionbears.

Not that it'll effect the operations at all.

Good to know, though.

And a last thing, about 30-40 billion isk is being generated in highsec incursions at best peak times during the week an hour.

So by your own admission a handful of dudes can reduce the overall productivity of incursions by about 5%. Imagine what will happen if we escalate this. If there's one thing the Skunkworks excels at, it's taking things WAY too far.

So by your own admission a handful of dudes can reduce the overall productivity of incursions by about 5%. Imagine what will happen if we escalate this. If there's one thing the Skunkworks excels at, it's taking things WAY too far.

Quoted for truth.

As a representative from BTL pub I'd like to firmly point out that BTL operators, moderators or FC's generally in charge have not issued any war declarations on behalf of BTL Pub.
Our simple goal is to provide incursions for everyone, everywhere at anytime. When you say "people from BTL" that means pilots who use our service (channel) that are non-affiliated with BTL pub.
Your reasoning for a "war declaration" is therefore put on a wrong basis.

Now let me rephrase your declaration of war into something we can all generally agree on.

"Rich highsec pubbies hired mercs to wardec us and now we want payback."

If there's anything else you might wonder about or any questions, feel free to drop me a mail.


PS:
Saying highsec incursions is one of the best ISK features is a bit flawed. You do realise that highsec incursions only pay out 60 % of the reward that is paid out in nullsec and lowsec?
Oh, and that the lowsec mothership site has a chance of dropping a revenant BPC that can be sold for 40 + b isk?

I'd also like you to be aware of the ISK generated in incursions fuels a lot of wonderful PvP fights, because more people can afford to fly their t3's or t2 ships into lowsec without having to worry too much.

And a last thing, about 30-40 billion isk is being generated in highsec incursions at best peak times during the week an hour.
You need to step your game up a bit more before we notice anything on our wallets. Maybe assaults and headquarter fleets?
Aim big guys, aim for the stars.

One cannot make an admission and have it cited as a verified statistic. Further, one cannot quote for emphasis and assert it substantiates truth.

/facepalm
...surrounded by idiots.

So you simultaneously argue that incursions don't pay out that great and that losing your faction BS wont hurt your wallet? Nice one, you just made another new friend. See you soon bear.

Someone takes forums far too seriously.

umadbro?

As a representative from BTL pub I'd like to firmly point out that BTL operators, moderators or FC's generally in charge have not issued any war declarations on behalf of BTL Pub.
Our simple goal is to provide incursions for everyone, everywhere at anytime. When you say "people from BTL" that means pilots who use our service (channel) that are non-affiliated with BTL pub.
Your reasoning for a "war declaration" is therefore put on a wrong basis.

Now let me rephrase your declaration of war into something we can all generally agree on.

"Rich highsec pubbies hired mercs to wardec us and now we want payback."

If there's anything else you might wonder about or any questions, feel free to drop me a mail.


PS:
Saying highsec incursions is one of the best ISK features is a bit flawed. You do realise that highsec incursions only pay out 60 % of the reward that is paid out in nullsec and lowsec?
Oh, and that the lowsec mothership site has a chance of dropping a revenant BPC that can be sold for 40 + b isk?

I'd also like you to be aware of the ISK generated in incursions fuels a lot of wonderful PvP fights, because more people can afford to fly their t3's or t2 ships into lowsec without having to worry too much.

And a last thing, about 30-40 billion isk is being generated in highsec incursions at best peak times during the week an hour.

As our diplomat, I have to say that whether or not our reasoning is flawed is irrelevant because we're more able to exercise power than BTL and thus we are right.

Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.

To clear the air I never once said I was part of btl. Infact I've told skunkworks many times who I represent. Hec the wardec is even publically stated in our motd. Just because skunkworks has the intellect of lemiwinks from south park isn't my problem.

I really like the fact that you guys think you're so awesome because you can flip a 6 month old new to eve players whom are defenseless while you melt their logi. To make your case worse I hear everytime you guys get decced you just Corp jump so your poor little ships don't die.

Enjoy it while it lasts the decs won't stop until you guys grow some balls and fight for a week. That's what the community asked for and paid for. It stops when you stop.

Stop all the talking, get to action and start linking killboards and stuff.
Everyone is just measuring e-peen in this thread right now.

#3 the only reason you are picking on btl is because you can't manage to get enough alts to influtrate the tdf channel.
#4 you are only killing people outside of our channel

#5 we don't need to war dec with 50 corps when one will do and even if we did you still dropped Corp as yu have before

#6 you dont fight to begin with period unless you are the aggressor.

...Big mistake making this post public . Now everyone knows you guys can't defend yourselves. The only time your pvp griefer Corp gets on kms is when they have no chance.

#7 we've had people claiming to be tough before and 4 months of decs normally stops it so fight or hide

Here are our terms: replace every single kill you have ever been been a part of and 10 monocles.

http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8

Campaign says 11b in two days. There's some choice kills in there. Nightmares and whatnot.

*acknowledges*
Nice work, any possibility of getting videos?

I need to get FRAPS registered and start recording. It's planned, yes.

Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.

I need to get FRAPS registered and start recording. It's planned, yes.

Actually you can use the free version of fraps, it just has Fraps written at the top of the screen.

Other than that there's no difference.

I'm a gambling man. Care to put a wager on this?

Call it a channel test for security. If you can influtrate our channel and do it with me in fleet I will send monk 100m AND I will even eat my pride and offer you a war dec contract in a few months if you guys are still functional. If I catch you once all I'd like in return is an acknowledgement here. Now I keep my promises, contracts and wagers.

So what say you sir?

Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.

[quote=Psychotic Monk]It seems you boys want to build yourselves up a name as bad boy griefers, but of course are less forthcoming about all of being funded by high sec carebearing through your incursion and industry corporations.

I have never in my life run an incursion, and I abandoned any pretense of industry a long time ago.

What money doesn't come from the wrecks of our targets, I get through wormhole exploration. That can pay about as well as highsec incursions, only you're operating in nullsec without a local channel list.

So much for your theories.

It would be foolish of us not to use all the tools available to us in the same way that we have neutral logi available even though I believe that neutral logi not getting aggression for repping people sucks as a mechanic.

Besides that, I'm not arguing for the elimination of incursions. Honestly, it's neat content. I mean the whole constellation slightly changes color and gets invaded by spike-covered zombies? That's cool. I am argueing that the isk-to-risk ratio needs to be changed.

Also, you're forgetting the other major reason we're doing what we're doing: We want to. Even if it didn't have these secondary effects that we are really pleased about we would probably still do it.

edit: Here's my take on Incursions. They make as much isk as I did running wormholes, but in the safety of highsec. They are wrecking the value loyalty points, making the game harder for casual mission runners who don't have the time to chase incursions and put together fleets (no I don't do missions either) in what time they have to play. They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

Incursions NEED to be more dangerous, because as they stand now they are just isk printers driving up the price of everything and hurting everyone who isn't being an incursion bear (except maybe the self-sufficient wormhole corps).

This may be true. Your other character, Floppietheminingclown (love your originality by the way) could indeed be a wormhole explorer.

Your CEO does have these other carebear corporations I'm talking about, and that's not a theory. Ask him about the high sec POS he lost a few weeks ago. It's location was provided to certain parties courtesy of Corporate Catering.

Of course, it's just business at the end of the day and should you kids require a bespoke buffet of your own, I'll see what I can cook up.

Nope. His name should tell you what I made that account for. The role has evolved quite a bit since then, but I have no problem stating that that character remains purely a support role. If I had wanted to hide him, I'd have named him something less obvious. No, if you look back at my history of posts in the forums and my killboard losses before joining the skunkworks, it should be obvious that I do my excursions with my main (this one).



I'm well aware of what Monk and some of the others have been up to, and to what ends. You, however, can only guess and feign insight.

They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

.

Mind to elaborate, what seems to me, is a solid proof of your cluelessnes?
You know, "a steady stream of stuff going into the market" lowers inflation.

PS:
Saying highsec incursions is one of the best ISK features is a bit flawed. You do realise that highsec incursions only pay out 60 % of the reward that is paid out in nullsec and lowsec?

And a last thing, about 30-40 billion isk is being generated in highsec incursions at best peak times during the week an hour.
You need to step your game up a bit more before we notice anything on our wallets.

always seems odd to me that griefers are just about the most risk averse people you can find. this might actually be worth a thread if they went after some of the more serious incursions bears like sk33t or SSN

quoting you saying that highsec incursions dont make much ISK followed by you saying high sec incursions make 30 - 40 billion ISK AN HOUR.

but seriously, incursions pay out to well not just in isk but in LP as well, the main problem in it is that as long as you dotn kill the mother ship you can keep getting the sites to spawn over and over, there should be a cap on how many sites can spawn for each incursion till you 'have' to kill the mother ship and end the incursion.

Joining Sansha isent so bad, you get great health care.

Of course we ransom most the incursioners we catch, but very few actualy pay us to let them go, a few have payed tho and they have been allowed to warp away.

How much rope did they have?

Well they wernt Spelunkers so not sure why they would have brought rope, care to elaborate?

The only use for "payed" is in regards to rope, and it's a very obscure usage of the word

lol, I'm just in the mood to nit-pick.

The only use for "payed" is in regards to rope, and it's a very obscure usage of the word

Interestingly enough, and in Gaz's defense, "payed" seems to be a completely acceptable (although far less common) version of the past tense for pay, according to American Heritage Dictionary, Merriam Webster, and Dictionary.com.

Perhaps you should better choose which nits you pick...

~Andrei.

Whilst we're all in a nitpicking mood....

American Heritage Dictionary,Merriam Webster,and Dictionary.com are all American websites. The Americans (bless them) have butchered our great language for hundreds of years.

The Oxford English dictionary however, states that payed means

verb (past and past participle payed)

[with object] Nautical]

seal (the deck or seams of a wooden ship) with pitch or tar to prevent leakage:an open groove between the planks had to be payed by running in hot pitch from a special ladle


Carry on hehe

This is a much stronger argumentative stance than that of Barakkus, and as far as I can tell the only use of payed that isn't an irregular verb; however, it's irksome to see people on the internet arguing points that cannot stand on their own feet. Using an irregular form of a verb is not the same as misspelling that verb. If you want to play grammar/spelling **** (fan of WW2 Germany, for the filter), at least read a book first.

To close my case, I will simply side with Henry Fielding:

"In reality, the world have payed too great a compliment to critics, and have imagined them men of much greater profundity than they really are."

If you don't like Gaz's use of payed, or my defense of it, take it up with the great English novelist... Oh, and don't be so quick to blame the Americans, eh?

~Andrei.

Apparently, if enough Americans mis-spell a word, it becomes a correct variant spelling.

I think I'll stick to speaking English.

The word is 'paid'.

Apparently, if enough Americans mis-spell a word, it becomes a correct variant spelling.

I think I'll stick to speaking English.

The word is 'paid'.

Apparently, if enough Americans mis-spell a word, it becomes a correct variant spelling.

I think I'll stick to speaking English.

The word is 'paid'.

What is funny is that you think that your "English" language is some set language. It is actually a bastardized version of old Germanic languages. So to say that your "English" spelling is correct when your "English" language has been just as bastardized as the Americanized dialect, is about as hypocritical as you can be.

What is funny is that you think that your "English" language is some set language. It is actually a bastardized version of old Germanic languages. So to say that your "English" spelling is correct when your "English" language has been just as bastardized as the Americanized dialect, is about as hypocritical as you can be.

That would be 'bastardised' and 'Americanised'.

The English language has evolved and changed over time. No prizes there. What annoys me is when a language evolves from sheer ignorance and laziness. Thanks America!

Good luck with your English subdialect.

Interestingly enough, and in Gaz's defense, "payed" seems to be a completely acceptable (although far less common) version of the past tense for pay, according to American Heritage Dictionary, Merriam Webster, and Dictionary.com.

Perhaps you should better choose which nits you pick...

~Andrei.

Yeah Btl pub was really quiet aswell lastnight :( shame, I guess all the incersioners isk presses broke down.

Oh and as far as im concerned the internet (and texting) has created it own language, like lol. Its all about using terible gramer and spelling which was widly adopted world wide, fancy that.

So if everyone promises to stop using text speak, we can all go back to using high english on the marrow good sir.

Gazmin actually constructs proper sentences in corp chat. I give him 8/10 for garnering so many negative responses to his use of the English language. *discuss

Getting back on topic now; at one point we (Skunks) had complete control over the local incursion channel for the better part of 2 hours. Both BTL and TDF channels seemed confined to non fleet-forming chatter as well. Mostly people just talked about different strategies and fittings for their favorite shiny faction BS or t3. This could mean several things: We've frightened enough incursionbears into not pursuing their favorite past time, it was just an off night, or maybe they are hanging out in the opposite high-sec incursion. Personally I think that public fleets aren't being formed as often.

Gazmin actually constructs proper sentences in corp chat. I give him 8/10 for garnering so many negative responses to his use of the English language. *discuss

Getting back on topic now; at one point we (Skunks) had complete control over the local incursion channel for the better part of 2 hours. Both BTL and TDF channels seemed confined to non fleet-forming chatter as well. Mostly people just talked about different strategies and fittings for their favorite shiny faction BS or t3. This could mean several things: We've frightened enough incursionbears into not pursuing their favorite past time, it was just an off night, or maybe they are hanging out in the opposite high-sec incursion. Personally I think that public fleets aren't being formed as often.

My dear griefers, you haven't achieved anything. Keep dreaming
You have to work a bit harder

There have been measurably fewer people in the Vanguard systems the past couple of weeks and your beloved channels are pretty much endless QQ about CCP not "fixing" the griefing.

That's an achievement.

My dear griefers, you haven't achieved anything. Keep dreaming
You have to work a bit harder

Hey, everything better for me. More space in the crowded vanguards systems to do sites!

Ladies and gentlemensk,

Skunkworks, a mere six days after incursions declared war on us, have reached our goal of 60 Billion worth of incursion bear ships killed! It's been a wild ride so far, with people expressing both incredible hate and the heartiest congrats. Due to this we've met like-minded player that we never would have had a chance to chill with otherwise.

The incursionbears themselves have been great hosts. They commonly announce our presence to each other, while making furtive superstitious hand gestures to ward us off, like we were some kind of evil spirits. At the same time, they've continued to feed us a steady supply of kills , often in Machs and Nightmares. We've even gotten to watch their perception of us develop over that time. On the first day they thought we were all Slimy Worm's alts. By the third day they were claiming we had been black-listed for the better part of a year. On the fifth day someone say a Velator wreck in an OTA and announced that we had 'can flagged' that incursion and nobody should enter.

Our impact has been such that they feel like they've been persecuted for weeks or even monthes and are flat out telling each other ghost stories about us.

The kills themselves have been great, too. Sometimes they were like an assembly line. Incursion bears go out one end and come in the other. Often two or even three at a time. Other times, we've had to milk the kills out gently, like some kind of extremely delicate japanese art. Often, we would directly instruct them to do things that didn't make the slightest bit of sense, except that it ushered them to their doom.

Here are some of my favourite killmails from the campaign so far:

http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=582 This dude dropped a gun in order to fit an energy transfer. Except he didn't have the skills, so he went and bought the book and trained it. We killed several other things with him in fleet while he was doing that.

This Rattlesnake watched us kill a dude and when we 'regrouped' at shortly after he repped me and got himself killed.

We have also gotten some extremely choice tears. Let me show you some of the shorter but more delicious snippets:

Inspironous > either way your a ****** and suck at life

SOLE Fide > well then they have exploted the game beyond all reason... and it will crash on them :)

Lord Wickham > what should be happeneing is btl should be putting a grief fleet up for the griefers
Lord Wickham > kill their basi a few times and they will soon stop

Valichaos > whatever
Valichaos > go **** yourself you dumb **** sucker

Dame TTUSOONI > yeah
Dame TTUSOONI > **** you
Dame TTUSOONI > you and your freinds will pay for this
Dame TTUSOONI > sooner or later
Psychotic Monk > Oh yeah? What are you going to do?
Dame TTUSOONI > you don't have to care about that

Christopher Williams > **** you faggity

Thanks very much, incursion bears. And thanks for the money to buy some of those shiny ships we see you guys running around in. They're nice. I hope this only gets better from here.

Dame TTUSOONI > yeah
Dame TTUSOONI > **** you
Dame TTUSOONI > you and your freinds will pay for this
Dame TTUSOONI > sooner or later
Psychotic Monk > Oh yeah? What are you going to do?
Dame TTUSOONI > you don't have to care about that

The incursionbears themselves have been great hosts. They commonly announce our presence to each other, while making furtive superstitious hand gestures to ward us off, like we were some kind of evil spirits. At the same time, they've continued to feed us a steady supply of kills, the kills were often in Machs and Nightmares. We've even gotten to watch their perception of us develop over that time. On the first day they thought we were all Slimy Worm's alts. By the third day they were claiming we had been black-listed for the better part of a year. On the fifth day someone say a Velator wreck in an OTA and announced that we had 'can flagged' that incursion and nobody should enter.

Our impact has been such that they feel like they've been persecuted for weeks or even monthes and are flat out telling each other ghost stories about us.

Lol, talk about propaganda and biased stories.
Your silver tongue makes me wanna puke Psychotic, you've gotta do better than that.
Your measly 60 billion isk in kills over the course of 6 days is re-generated in 2-3 hours in incursions.

The only thing you are managing to do is bounding incursion runners together and reinforcing their hatred and suspicion against petty griefers.
How does it feel? That no matter what you do it is easily redone and the footprint you've put in the sand is quickly erased by the wind.
You are nothing and you shall remain nothing, but a bug squashed beneath our feet.
I laugh at you sir and I pity you.

Hope you like the pos we killed from your alt Corp. Also when we break even for the 212 mil remaining yes the decs might drop if we feel like it but people havnt pvped for 2 weeks now so maybe when you guys decide to fight that might happen.

Just want to add my 10 cents here.

You still only killed 2 armor pilots in our channel so keep talking.. U might one day actually believed what you are saying.

Hope you like the pos we killed from your alt Corp. Also when we break even for the 212 mil remaining yes the decs might drop if we feel like it but people havnt pvped for 2 weeks now so maybe when you guys decide to fight that might happen.

Anyways enjoy killing people in incursion local and "pvping" 1vs10 because can flips seems to be the only thing you guys do well.

Still have that 200mil pride bet going on. Only Two more days until it's over.

Best of luck. Enjoy high sec you will be there for awhile. Bye :)

I was unaware of a POS loss. I know you reinforced 2 of our towers, but no towers have been lost as of yet.

Also, slice it however you'd like, the point is we've still killed 60+ billion (and climbing) in incursionbears. It's true that most of our kills have been shield oriented and from BTL, but TDF will get it's turn soon enough.

Lol, talk about propaganda and biased stories.
Your silver tongue makes me wanna puke Psychotic, you've gotta do better than that.
Your measly 60 billion isk in kills over the course of 6 days is re-generated in 2-3 hours in incursions.

The only thing you are managing to do is bounding incursion runners together and reinforcing their hatred and suspicion against petty griefers.
How does it feel? That no matter what you do it is easily redone and the footprint you've put in the sand is quickly erased by the wind.
You are nothing and you shall remain nothing, but a bug squashed beneath our feet.
I laugh at you sir and I pity you.

Ummm

Honest question guise, where are these guise when I'm bearing it out in incursions for 4-5 hrs daily ? If I didn't happen to read the forums I'd have never known any of it

Nothin in BTL except some Motd about some war, nothing in the 'other' (invite-only) shield incursion channel me and oooh, 150+ or so people frequent.

Where the heck are the incursion gankers and why aren't they more active ... ?

Just want to add my 10 cents here.

You still only killed 2 armor pilots in our channel so keep talking.. U might one day actually believed what you are saying.

Hope you like the pos we killed from your alt Corp. Also when we break even for the 212 mil remaining yes the decs might drop if we feel like it but people havnt pvped for 2 weeks now so maybe when you guys decide to fight that might happen.

Anyways enjoy killing people in incursion local and "pvping" 1vs10 because can flips seems to be the only thing you guys do well.

Still have that 200mil pride bet going on. Only Two more days until it's over.

Best of luck. Enjoy high sec you will be there for awhile. Bye :)

LOL not aware of a pos kill? 1 offline pos was killed and we just finished off the active large. An eye for an eye. thanks champs. Nice try with the alliance hoping to invalidate the wars too. Unfortunately there are ways around it.

Not really wanting to play the tough guy card here but now we are even. Have fun killing randomy pilots who can't defend themselves.
The pos kills definately cover our 2 loses.


No hard feelings.

http://burning.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=80

Lol, talk about propaganda and biased stories.
Your silver tongue makes me wanna puke Psychotic, you've gotta do better than that.
Your measly 60 billion isk in kills over the course of 6 days is re-generated in 2-3 hours in incursions.

The only thing you are managing to do is bounding incursion runners together and reinforcing their hatred and suspicion against petty griefers.
How does it feel? That no matter what you do it is easily redone and the footprint you've put in the sand is quickly erased by the wind.
You are nothing and you shall remain nothing, but a bug squashed beneath our feet.
I laugh at you sir and I pity you.

blah blah high sec bull ****

If it's a PVP fit, it sucks. If it's a sleeper PVE fit, it also sucks.

Look at me!!! There are different numbers in the upper left hand corner of my monitor... trolololol

So much idiocy, I literally have no idea where to start on a retort.

Firstly, you seem to think your incursion channels are an alliance, in which all members are flying under a reimbursement policy that includes any fit they fly. I say that, because apparently you're quoting the net income from all of the incursion runners in your fantasy "we didn't want those faction fit battleships anyway" tirade. When someone loses a 4bil fit, it takes THEM AS AN INDIVIDUAL a lot more than "2-3 hours" to work that back. Try 25+ hours.

It's also quite hilarious to see how mad you are.

I've never met a worse breed of player of any game, at any point, than I have met in the Incursion channels. Ammzi is pretty much the posterchild for the basement dwelling elite who grind these things every ******* second they are logged in.

Just want to add my 10 cents here.

You still only killed 2 armor pilots in our channel so keep talking.. U might one day actually believed what you are saying.

people havnt pvped for 2 weeks now so maybe when you guys decide to fight that might happen.

Still have that 200mil pride bet going on. Only Two more days until it's over.

edit: A funny thing has been happening on our killboard tonight as I check in on it: non-skunks are appearing on the kills. Care to guess what that means?

Sure I'll take a stab at it. You've found more people who enjoy showering once a week too?

I have to ask. Your girl friend in eve... Is she cute? Does she satisfy you? Did you remember to deflate her?

Sure I'll take a stab at it. You've found more people who enjoy showering once a week too?

I have to ask. Your girl friend in eve... Is she cute? Does she satisfy you? Did you remember to deflate her?

You all need to get off your high horse and quit pretending. Two people from the Burning Spear. alliance helped kill my faction battleship last night. Why the hell are you even posting in here when you guys are ******* helping them? Making fun of them about an internet spaceships game when you're no better than they are. Bunch of faggots.

Yah, this is an alt. I already lost one faction ship, not about to give you guys a chance to take another one.

you probably were in a "unauthorized" mom fleet and didn't give TDF/BTL carmelos53 the loot so they banned you and decced you

Sure I'll take a stab at it. You've found more people who enjoy showering once a week too?

I have to ask. Your girl friend in eve... Is she cute? Does she satisfy you? Did you remember to deflate her?

Only a pubbie would think that people other than Goons use the term "pubbie".

I have never in my life run an incursion, and I abandoned any pretense of industry a long time ago.

What money doesn't come from the wrecks of our targets, I get through wormhole exploration. That can pay about as well as highsec incursions, only you're operating in nullsec without a local channel list.

So much for your theories.

edit: Here's my take on Incursions. They make as much isk as I did running wormholes, but in the safety of highsec. They are wrecking the value loyalty points, making the game harder for casual mission runners who don't have the time to chase incursions and put together fleets (no I don't do missions either) in what time they have to play. They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

Incursions NEED to be more dangerous, because as they stand now they are just isk printers driving up the price of everything and hurting everyone who isn't being an incursion bear (except maybe the self-sufficient wormhole corps).

I offten eat a bowel of pubbie-Os for breakfast with my wife

low sec thata-way hero ......------>

low sec thata-way hero ......------>

Both of my Artbirator BPOs and six data cores were in there.

Big mistake making this post public . Now everyone knows you guys can't defend yourselves. The only time your pvp griefer Corp gets on kms is when they have no chance.

We've outfitted basically all our dudes in hilarious shiny **** and intend to start handing them to non-skunks who start doing this. Look at my other thread on this board for details on that. We're handing out the Apoc already.

MmmmmuuuhahahahaHAHAHA!

This is the best shiit I've read for ages in C&P! Please keep on posting.

LOL not aware of a pos kill? 1 offline pos was killed and we just finished off the active large. An eye for an eye. thanks champs. Nice try with the alliance hoping to invalidate the wars too. Unfortunately there are ways around it.

Not really wanting to play the tough guy card here but now we are even. Have fun killing randomy pilots who can't defend themselves.
The pos kills definately cover our 2 loses.


No hard feelings.

WHY DOES NOONE LIKE ME =(

Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.

I agree 100 percent and I think this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem with high-sec incursions is that they can be extended indefinitely. They will put off killing the mothership for WEEKS to grind Vanguards, one every 60 seconds or so during active hours in a single constellation.

but the brokenness of Incursions is one of the playerbase's best kept secrets..

I can has?

MmmmmuuuhahahahaHAHAHA!

This is the best shiit I've read for ages in C&P! Please keep on posting.

Fail.

I like your cause, sir, but that's still a fail.

I have a deep found respect for Moar Tears and their work, but fools like you give them a bad name.
Weeks? Are you really that dumb and naive? Why do people talk about stuff which they have no clue about!?
Do you walk around daily as well claiming you're a chiropractor, nascar driver and a miss beauty queen?
An incursion in a constellation can't last more than a week or it will remove itself. Learn STUFF before you talk about STUFF.



Again, are you really that naive to believe CCP aren't reading this or well aware of this?
For the love of the sacred coconut, WE ARE ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU PICKWIT.

I'm just repeating what I heard from someone who knows a hell of a lot more about incursions than I do, namely a TDF director.

Even if they do shut themselves down in 1 week (I don't really know and don't particularly care), that's hundreds of billions of isk paid out, not counting LP, to a very limited number of pilots who spend their time doing little else. My main concern is that this is, as I quoted, a stagnating influence.

There is much less fuss made about the imbalanced nature of Incursions, as almost anyone who cares can actually do them themselves and make enormous quantities of isk, and therefore very few people actually think it should be changed; if there is a single problem with nullsec anomalies not paying out correctly, half of EVE would be up in arms on the forums, but with incursions it has been a long, slow percolation. Sure, CCP is aware, but the playerbase doesn't really keep any true secrets; it's a relative term. I'm sure I'm nowhere near the first to point this out, but it's something that deserves more attention.

You are being ragey and obtuse, please take your terrible rage and pointless insults elsewhere unless you can actually comment on the matter at hand. I think it's cute and all that you're so up in arms the moment someone says that your main income source should be removed, but seriously now.

You don't have the eyes of CCP, you don't have their data at hand and you can not judge what is affecting the economy in which way with a high accuracy. We can only guess, discuss and estimate.
The thing is, if incursions were messing up the economy then CCP would step in and do something about it. They monitor this closely, however since they haven't (yet) it must be working out fine so far. Right?

counterpoint: technetium

also you're dumb hth

The incursion bears really are spoiling us to tell the truth, and man the ghost stories we hear them talk about related to us with our alts are hilarious.

But you're wrong. I mean I understand why you look at it from this perspective, being so unaware of so many variables and facts that intervene and interact in this enormous system.

...

The thing is, if incursions were messing up the economy then CCP would step in and do something about it. They monitor this closely, however since they haven't (yet) it must be working out fine so far. Right?

You don't have the eyes of CCP, you don't have their data at hand and you can not judge what is affecting the economy in which way with a high accuracy. We can only guess, discuss and estimate.
The thing is, if incursions were messing up the economy then CCP would step in and do something about it. They monitor this closely, however since they haven't (yet) it must be working out fine so far. Right?

When I brought him up to speed on what happened (he seemed sort of confused), he thanked me for the information but did not lawl with me.

[quote=Mace Ormond]They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

Shitload of bling bling.

Wrong. I know a fair bit of economics, don't throw that bullshit at me please. Just because CCP isn't actively doing something about this doesn't mean that it isn't affecting the economy, either beneficially or adversely. It takes a MASSIVE change or a sizable length of time to affect a system the size of EVE's.

Addendum: And just because something doesn't unbalance the economy doesn't mean it's fair, or a good game mechanic. A lone pilot in a good incursion fleet can make 10 million isk every 5 minutes or better, plus LP. To catch up to this, you have to be making 50 million isk wallet flashes in nullsec.

It's not like you're going to make ANY money in incursions if you aren't fit out with really fancy equipment, either. The boundary for entry in many incursion fleets is "lots of shiny equipment" and that's basically it. It's a self-perpetuating loop, and people coming late to the game are cut out of it unless they were already rich. The rich get richer, and the poor can't get into a fleet and have to go back to slow missioning.

Are incursions supposed to be outcompeting lvl 4 missions in highsec? A big fat YES from CCP.
Are you supposed to be earning a load of isk from incursions? Again a big fat YES from CCP.
Are incursions balanced in different security status? Will you earn a wopping 40 % more doing incursions in null/lowsec than in highsec? A huge YES.

Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.

I'm not going to pretend to be in possession of any actual statistics or analytical data, but it's my suspicion that the possession of really expensive faction ships and mods is on a pretty consistent incline since the introduction of Incursions. A very sharp incline, I suspect. I see evidence of it here and there, and I'm fairly certain that it was much less common for characters that can barely pilot battleships (due to being less than six months old) to be so carelessly cap chaining random people up in their faction fit Machs and NMs like they're handing them out for free at every station (I'm pretty sure you've seen our KB). So please, tell me that Incursions aren't affecting the economy in the game. Also, please tell me exactly which manners of affecting the economy might offend me, because clearly you are the only one who can make a value judgement on that subject.

One statistic that I do have some insight into is the possession of really expensive faction ships and mods in The Skunkworks since we started "running" Incursions, and that bad boy is off the charts!

Seriously though, "if [noun] were messing up the [noun] then CCP would step in and do something about it." Do you even play this game? This dude is clearly a troll, but thanks for bumping our thread anyways!

~Andrei.

Battleships:...4x Bhaalgorns...33x Machariels...20x Nightmares...2x Rattlesnakes...6x Navy Ravens Issue... 11x Ravens... 10x Scorpion Navy Issue... 1x Fleet tempest... 3x tempests... 2x Megathron Navy Issue... 2x Megathron... 3x Rokhs... 2x Maelstrom... 16x scimitars... 3x guardians... 48x basilisks... 2x Nighthawks... 2x golems... 1x Kronos.... 1x Paladin... 3x Vargur... 4x Lokis... 1x Tengu... 1x Hurricane

Big wall of text, one of the major points of which is that we're wrong in our conclusion that incursions, unbalanced by enterprising assholes like ourselves, are a not good for the game.

Ammzi, I think you're wrong, although it's not impossible that you're spot on. We can go back and forth with walls of text for weeks, and I'm sure we will, but it doesn't change the fact that we have the leverage to act on our opinion, which is the part that really matters.

Also, even if you did manage to convince me of your position, it doesn't adress the number one reason we're doing this: It's fun as hell.

Is what I am going to do be fun for me?

Guys, guys! Your endless tl;dr posts are now turning our attention from the most important thing:



Now look at that crazy-ass pile of dead bling-a-bling-zing awesomeness!

Ammzi isn't the type to understand core EVE concepts such as gravy and for the lul'z.

*pads disillusional on his head*
It's alright mate, it's the drug's fault. Not yours.

/growl

You know increasing supply while demand stays the same causes prices to FALL right?

You're a greifer though, not an economist.

Yeah seeing 33 Mach kills in 10 days makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

So you're saying you're not happy that people bling their ships out so you can kill them and get their bling for yourself?
Or are you saying that because of incursions more people bling out their ships? (Definitely a plausible theory).

How can I tell you that incursions are not affecting the economy? How can I say that a feature that generates ISK is not affecting a market that uses ISK as valuta? Why are you asking me to lie? OF COURSE it's affecting it, but in which way and direction is not something you can (or me if you think me as some holy god) say. Again, we can GUESS, we can DISCUSS, but we can't proof it with 99 % certainty without having every little variable accounted for and we don't have access to this.

Bear with me on this hypothetical scenario.
You are walking with your monkey down the street and arrive at your garage. You decide to give the monkey a brick.
The monkey is now taking that brick and smashing it against your car and house repeatedly. (Keep bearing with me).
You are now standing by laughing because you think it's hilarious to see everything you have worked for being destroyed in front of your eyes.

Now explain this to me logically. Why would CCP hand out a feature to the playerbase and the playerbase is starting to ruin the game with that feature. Why would CCP let the playerbase KEEP that feature if it is continuing to ruin their game, their product, everything that they have worked for and what gives them a roof over their head?

And I asked logically, not something in the lines of "CCP wants to ruin their game so they can screw up their economy and fire everyone they have employed", because that my dear friend is not logical.

If [noun] was ruining the game (let's be honest here ... the EVE market is a pretty serious part of the game and much more urgent to be fixed than blasters and what ever stuff people have complained about) then CCP would intervene and fix it.

And if you don't believe that well then I am sorry to break it to you, but then you are one bittervet ...

Let's print 10 trillion dollars and put it in the market and see what happens.

How many have we stolen? I know I negotiated another ejection this morning. I'm pretty sure our number of Machs is closer to 40 by the time we count those.

We convinced two Nightmares and a Loki to eject last night, to be added to the previous list (which I do not have handy, but contained at least one Loki, Navy Apoc, two Nightmares, and a Mach or two... iirc).

~Andrei.

16x scimitars
3x guardians
48x basilisks

wtf is wrong with this picture. am i srsly the only one seeing this? i seen lots of ppl lfaf last night and none of them got ganked.

I was kind of wondering that myself. There are a TON of shield ganks but not a single armor gank? I'm sensing a little bit of bias here.