I'm not going to pretend to be in possession of any actual statistics or analytical data, but it's my suspicion that the possession of really expensive faction ships and mods is on a pretty consistent incline since the introduction of Incursions. A very sharp incline, I suspect. I see evidence of it here and there, and I'm fairly certain that it was much less common for characters that can barely pilot battleships (due to being less than six months old) to be so carelessly cap chaining random people up in their faction fit Machs and NMs like they're handing them out for free at every station (I'm pretty sure you've seen our KB). So please, tell me that Incursions aren't affecting the economy in the game. Also, please tell me exactly which manners of affecting the economy might offend me, because clearly you are the only one who can make a value judgement on that subject.

One statistic that I do have some insight into is the possession of really expensive faction ships and mods in The Skunkworks since we started "running" Incursions, and that bad boy is off the charts!

Seriously though, "if [noun] were messing up the [noun] then CCP would step in and do something about it." Do you even play this game? This dude is clearly a troll, but thanks for bumping our thread anyways!

~Andrei.

Battleships:...4x Bhaalgorns...33x Machariels...20x Nightmares...2x Rattlesnakes...6x Navy Ravens Issue... 11x Ravens... 10x Scorpion Navy Issue... 1x Fleet tempest... 3x tempests... 2x Megathron Navy Issue... 2x Megathron... 3x Rokhs... 2x Maelstrom... 16x scimitars... 3x guardians... 48x basilisks... 2x Nighthawks... 2x golems... 1x Kronos.... 1x Paladin... 3x Vargur... 4x Lokis... 1x Tengu... 1x Hurricane

Big wall of text, one of the major points of which is that we're wrong in our conclusion that incursions, unbalanced by enterprising assholes like ourselves, are a not good for the game.

Ammzi, I think you're wrong, although it's not impossible that you're spot on. We can go back and forth with walls of text for weeks, and I'm sure we will, but it doesn't change the fact that we have the leverage to act on our opinion, which is the part that really matters.

Also, even if you did manage to convince me of your position, it doesn't adress the number one reason we're doing this: It's fun as hell.

Is what I am going to do be fun for me?

Guys, guys! Your endless tl;dr posts are now turning our attention from the most important thing:



Now look at that crazy-ass pile of dead bling-a-bling-zing awesomeness!

Ammzi isn't the type to understand core EVE concepts such as gravy and for the lul'z.

*pads disillusional on his head*
It's alright mate, it's the drug's fault. Not yours.

/growl

You know increasing supply while demand stays the same causes prices to FALL right?

You're a greifer though, not an economist.

Yeah seeing 33 Mach kills in 10 days makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

So you're saying you're not happy that people bling their ships out so you can kill them and get their bling for yourself?
Or are you saying that because of incursions more people bling out their ships? (Definitely a plausible theory).

How can I tell you that incursions are not affecting the economy? How can I say that a feature that generates ISK is not affecting a market that uses ISK as valuta? Why are you asking me to lie? OF COURSE it's affecting it, but in which way and direction is not something you can (or me if you think me as some holy god) say. Again, we can GUESS, we can DISCUSS, but we can't proof it with 99 % certainty without having every little variable accounted for and we don't have access to this.

Bear with me on this hypothetical scenario.
You are walking with your monkey down the street and arrive at your garage. You decide to give the monkey a brick.
The monkey is now taking that brick and smashing it against your car and house repeatedly. (Keep bearing with me).
You are now standing by laughing because you think it's hilarious to see everything you have worked for being destroyed in front of your eyes.

Now explain this to me logically. Why would CCP hand out a feature to the playerbase and the playerbase is starting to ruin the game with that feature. Why would CCP let the playerbase KEEP that feature if it is continuing to ruin their game, their product, everything that they have worked for and what gives them a roof over their head?

And I asked logically, not something in the lines of "CCP wants to ruin their game so they can screw up their economy and fire everyone they have employed", because that my dear friend is not logical.

If [noun] was ruining the game (let's be honest here ... the EVE market is a pretty serious part of the game and much more urgent to be fixed than blasters and what ever stuff people have complained about) then CCP would intervene and fix it.

And if you don't believe that well then I am sorry to break it to you, but then you are one bittervet ...

Let's print 10 trillion dollars and put it in the market and see what happens.

How many have we stolen? I know I negotiated another ejection this morning. I'm pretty sure our number of Machs is closer to 40 by the time we count those.

We convinced two Nightmares and a Loki to eject last night, to be added to the previous list (which I do not have handy, but contained at least one Loki, Navy Apoc, two Nightmares, and a Mach or two... iirc).

~Andrei.

16x scimitars
3x guardians
48x basilisks

wtf is wrong with this picture. am i srsly the only one seeing this? i seen lots of ppl lfaf last night and none of them got ganked.

I was kind of wondering that myself. There are a TON of shield ganks but not a single armor gank? I'm sensing a little bit of bias here.

If this is going to be your claim, then the burden of proof will be upon you to prove it. There are plenty of features in this game that make it worse (in varying degrees) and yet have not been addressed. I never said Incursions would ruin Eve. My hand was actually forced in this particular matter. One member of my corp griefed a handful of logistics running Incursions (SKNK. does not frown upon griefing in corp downtime), and our entire corp was blacklisted and banned from all the decent channels, as well as wardec'd by mercenaries hired by some ambiguous blob from those channels. Now, with the most fluid ISK faucet in the game denied to me, the next most fluid ISK faucet turned out to be killing the largest collection of shiny ships gathered into one hunting ground in the history of the game. What did I have to lose anyways? It turned out to be something like equivalent risk and equivalent rewards to Incursions. This is why we joke that we run Incursions, we just shoot the squares instead of the pluses.

Implying that nullsec isn't a pretty serious part of the game? Also, and more specifically, implying that Gallente ships aren't a pretty serious part of the game? Well, until winter I'd partially agree with you there...

Don't spin it around Andrei, don't give me that. 1 corp member doesn't get his entire corp blacklisted AND wardecced AND hated by incursion runners. If that was the case, we'd have half of EVE blacklisted already.
And don't tell me your hand was forced on this and don't put the blame for the actions of your corporation on us.
See this from our perspective and one of our goals. To insure the safety and security of incursion runners.
When reports suggesting multiple corp members from the same corp are griefing incursion runners then it is only natural and logical to blacklist the entire corp instead of preventing crimes from being repeatedly committed by the same pilots we can PRE-secure.

If you dislike the actions or the consequences of the actions of your fellow corp members you are free to leave. That's how it is being together with a group of pilots. Each of those pilots will represent the entire group through their actions.

Don't be a hypocrite.

You are misunderstanding, probably my fault for the wording (english is not my native language).
I am saying that given the choice to pick (a choice of prioritizing) would it be fixing the entire EVE economy / preventing it from collapsing OR something of lesser importance? (Not saying hybrid turrets are not important, but without a working game ecenomy that lays the foundation for almost everything we see in-game I'd say turrets are less prioritized. You don't see a whole department within CCP dedicated to hybrid turrets. That's my point).

And since they are actually trying to change this (supercaps, blasters, ships rebalancing) it is actual of importance to CCP. However you don't see any rebalancing for incursions in the patches, do you? Not saying there won't be a chance of a nerf from CCP on incursions, but everything else has had higher priority.
Simply .... if the market was about to fall on its knee due to incursions and other contributing factors we would see radical changes within a short timeperiod. Nothing has been suggested except PLEX manipulation by CCP lately...

Now, if you please, consider the time frames involved in these two situations. Supers have been in Eve for much longer than Incursions have. It has taken supers literally ruining sovereign 0.0 for CCP to address them.

In fact, one member did get our entire corp blacklisted AND wardecced by Incursion runners (the by Incursion runners part is secondhand from the mercs that were hired, and told to inform us of the origin of the contract). This is a fact: Slimy Worm griefed Incursions and no one else in our corp was interested because the ISK rewards from his methods of ganking were slim, while the rewards for running the sites were obviously very high.

And lol at the part about ensuring the safety of Incursion runners... You guys really messed that up for 187 of those poor souls.

Incursions are ruining EvEGÇÖs market

B - U - L - L - S - H - I - T

Please prove it.

B - U - L - L - S - H - I - T

Please prove it.