Would one of the Incursion griefers mind clarifying something for me?

Before the latest change, did the logi pilots get a pop-up warning when they started rr'ing someone who had can-flipped a few minutes previously or no?

Thanks.

Point out the "tears" please?

We're discussing how game mechanics have been changed, that seemingly only benefit people too stupid to protect themselves.

The problem with you bears, is you actually have no idea what "tears" look like, and seem to think going "LOL TEARS!!" when someone points out an issue is the same thing.

... And thus the legacy of The Skunkworks was carved into stone by CCP. Never before, and never again, shall anyone gather so many tears in so short a time as we have here. Our influence was so great that a game mechanic had to be changed with more haste than that of so many other currently defunct game issues. Because of the combined effort of about a dozen of us, for a mere two weeks, there is now a pop-up in Eve (ever so slightly altering the game experience for literally thousands of players), and some CCP devs were able to prove their importance in a time of such questionable employment at CCP by scurrying to code a fix to our assault on their precious carebear population.

I, for one, am quite proud of what my brothers and I have achieved here, and now no one can take the crown from us.

We'll see you bears around, and we won't be any more diplomatic than we were in these last two weeks.

~Andrei.

I suppose you have to find some gratification somewhere for playing the game like an asshat, lol.

Shame that you and your compatriots continually seem to contradict this claim of achievement by trying to undermine it having a presence in the game, even with it being so insignificant a change.

But there again I suppose I have to conclude its simply a double standard of simplistic propoganda designed to convince us that all is well else you wouldn't need to have to present it in such a way.

So much stupid fail, lol. Please can I be an incursion griefer "loser" also?

I do believe that the way you guys killed people was an exploit, since you get a warning for almost every other attempted act of aggression.

I do agree it only affected the first few people, and the profoundly dumb.

As for griefers leaving the game: Sociopaths Online is that way -->

I hope that arrow is pointed at Iceland.

If they were attacking Incursion runners out of protest for incursions being easy ISK faucets I would have agreed with them.

Though it was not the only reason, this featured prominently in their "beef" with Incursion runners, and Incursions in general.

People say Incursions are "good content" - well, sorry, but **** that.

Missions are frankly less boring than "shoot 5 ships, warp to next site, shoot 5 ships, warp to next site, shoot 5 ships...."

Incursions WERE good content.

The players completely ruined them by turning them into a 23/7 grind machine.

And you speak on behalf of us? Since... when?

I suppose you have to find some gratification somewhere for playing the game like an asshat, lol.

Shame that you and your compatriots continually seem to contradict this claim of achievement by trying to undermine it having a presence in the game, even with it being so insignificant a change.

But there again I suppose I have to conclude its simply a double standard of simplistic propoganda designed to convince us that all is well else you wouldn't need to have to present it in such a way.

So much stupid fail, lol. Please can I be an incursion griefer "loser" also?

I'm not really sure what this post is about. You sound kinda mad, though, so buck up pal! CCP fixed another instance in which you might have to think in order to succeed in Eve. You should be celebrating your unearned victory, not calling those of us who are actually shaping the Eve world (in quite literal terms now) asshats and losers because Ad Hominem is the only recourse you could come up with.

It's just a game man; it sounds like you should probably introduce some perspective into your worldview.

If it's legitimately confusing to you, or seems like a contradiction: the change that CCP implemented (in haste) is cumbersome and a bit insulting to Eve players, imo, but it's still OUR change. The vigor of a mere dozen of us caused it's hurried implementation into the game world we all share, and we set the Incursion griefer bar pretty damn high (two titan kills worth of faction battleships in highsec, high). In fact, any time in the future that you are saved from your own careless actions destroying your spacethings by a popup about aggression, you should utter a small thank you to The Skunkworks. You guys just be real careful not to click the "do not show again" box on that little warning! :)

~Andrei.

Please, keep your small addition to an existing pop-up event, it seems, well, very precious to you.

De facto: griefers still lost out in this situation, hence the term "losers". Sorry if you have a problem facing reality on this one as a representative of acclaimed griefers. ;)

Does it dismiss the fact that you could have easily explained the situation to CCP for reperation without escalating to its use? Don't see you quick to claim responsibility for that side of these events? That in a sense also seems to me to be exploiting a game mechanic to the detrement of others which as far as I understand is against EULA agreements?

why all the carebare hate? honestly if you want pvp go kill a foo in deadspace instead of gunning for people with perma rep fits.

Does it dismiss the fact that you could have easily explained the situation to CCP for reperation without escalating to its use?

Also, this mechanic was "working as intended" until we got our hands on it, but if you get enough people to petition us further, you never know what you might achieve. Reach for the stars!

~Andrei.

Mythen took the news so badly that he can't see or stand up and had to go to the hospital.

I'm actually not kidding. He's in the hospital.

QQ, but we still win because CCP has shielded us from our own stupidity...

Well considering that you recognised it as a flaw in the mechanics and yet still abused it, and subsequently seem to be taking some missguided "Hero" stance in profiteering from your known confessed griefing it seems a sensible effort to log a petition, thanks for the suggestion.

Likewise there may be mileage for any individuals who were subject to said abuse of the system to reclaim their loses as a result of those actions?

As to the actions of CCP and how you think your capabale of manipulating their involvement with these elements of the game I cannot possibly comment, as in fairness they may have simply made a fix to a problem in their own good time regardless of your actions? Though I don't deny you may have brought extra attention to the situation as a result.

Implying that there aren't any other flawed game mechanics that can be taken advantage of to create asymmetrical environments for player to player interactions?

~Andrei.

This imo contravenes rule 23 of the terms of service in the EULA:

"You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting.

The difference being is that from your own admission you knowingly abused this flawed mechanic as opposed to avoiding it. It was your "choice" to profit from its abuse at the expense of others by using it.

This imo contravenes rule 23 of the terms of service in the EULA:

"You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. "

And by definition a bug includes flawed mechanics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug

Que sera sera.

Also, this mechanic was "working as intended" until we got our hands on it