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Rob Crowley
State War Academy
183
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:26:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:If CCP wants to compensate somer blink for helping promote eve vegas how is that anybody's business? Favouring one group over all its competitors is hurting the very core of the sandbox. And I happen to like that sandbox, so it's my business.
Quote:Would it be ok if it were done with RL money? I would consider it slightly better cause it's less direct and it might not lead to ingame advantage (depending on how Somer would use the money), though as you say since there is the PLEX mechanism it wouldn't be much better. The maximum amount of CCP sponsoring towards a competitive ingame group I'd feel comfortable about would be free accounts and mentioning in a Spotlight dev blog as I already mentioned.
Quote:If the rest of you ***** had an organization that ccp thought could help promote their game you might get the same deal. But you're all just a bunch of hysterical nerds ... so no dice. Do you really have to troll in a thread like this? I happen to be a 3rd party dev and I wouldn't want to get exclusive ingame stuff from CCP for it.
Quote:By that thinking they shouldn't be sending devs to eve vegas either. Why? Is Eve Vegas an event with ingame consequences in competition with other similar events? Do the organizers gain any ingame advantage over their competitors by having devs at their meeting? |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
153
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:30:00 -
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This is a bad idea. MMO developers should support their community, for sure - By helping them overcome logistical challenges for their endeavours and keeping them well informed. Not by messing with the proverbial gameboard and offering specific individuals in that community stuff for free. They should not be essentially giving someone a bucketload of free in game currency as a thank-you present (at best) or a number of completely exclusive ships (at worst), no matter who they are. That is clear and unambiguous bias.
It'd be like Blizzard giving the creators of wowhead a complete set of top end raid gear just for running the site. And if something like this is absurd in a themepark, then it's a thousand times worse in a sandbox, where who-has-what changes the entire shape of the world. |
Luci Ambrye
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:41:00 -
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this is the start of a very long slippery slope imo.
-3 accounts. |
BLerchg
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
9
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:13:00 -
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Jamison wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :) Original post.This is so wrong, how many EULA violations is this exactly CCP Navigator? Does a reply like this meet the TOS? Regardless if it is true or not, the only way of knowing this information would be for this person to look into the personal data on SOMER BLINK and then turn around and writing about it in a public post. The fact that the issues are being completely ignored by CCP Navigator and was was never mentioned to the CSM makes me think that we have not begun to hear the whole story. Just how long was this project being worked on, who was involved with the deal and what have people been given to make this work?
some people seem to overlook this. we have a case of an individual inside somer blink using our account informations to influence a discussion to his favor. WTF. you can do all kinds of nasty things with those informations.
how can CCP work with them. |
Hentalia
Obvious Shell Corp Obvious Shell Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:21:00 -
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First of I want to say something good: I really like the prices, the Fanfest :O I'd love to win that, as I would love to win one of the collectors edition packs.
Now for my other feelings. Why can't you guys organize this on yourselves, give every eve player the opportunity to enter on a fair battlefield. It's nice that you care a lot about third party organisations, but giving a single one (that is set on making profit) special items... It's a no go. I hope you will find an other way to distribute these items. Or retract them totally from the game. It just doesn't seem fair. Come on CCP, you do care about your players right? |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
183
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:30:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:arabella blood wrote:Thanks to all bittervet RP lore loving players who missed the actualy point, we now have this pitiful solution.
The point is not introducing back the ships, the point is the use of Blink to do it.
Please make server for RP players, when they can have their own fun...they are ruining mine here. Just taking your posts as examples here, there are a couple similar ones by other people.
Would you please stop behaving like a jerk towards people who are happy that one of the problems of the initial plan was fixed. The vast majority of posters agreed that there were 2 problems and also that the remaining one is the more serious one. And I'm almost certain that fixing the smaller one has no effect on the probability of getting the bigger one fixed, so it's not very constructive to get angry at people for successfully getting the small issue fixed.
Arazel Chainfire wrote:Congrats on giving in to the idiot whiners. Yes, there was only 1 gold magnate, and it hasn't been in the game for nearly 9 years at this point. But for some reason it is still kept in the database, and people can still look it up. And now it will never see the light of day again. Yeah, one could say similar to RL ships like Titanic, Bismarck, Yamato, Prince of Wales. There were only very few ships of these RL classes, they got destroyed and were never rebuilt and yet people still look them up in Wikipedia, pictures, movies and the like. Because their history is fascinating even if (or maybe because) they don't exist anymore. |
T'kimat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:40:00 -
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Andski wrote:
EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not.
Having a player run event in the United States in blatant favoritism towards Americans. Being a European I demand this take place on a neutral ground where everyone has the same travel costs. CCP should not be supporting this event since not everyone can participate. Furthermore, CCP should not be giving away free ship models to the first 500 people, since I can not be there due to my work-schedule. I want free stuff as well. Who can guarantee that the first 500 will not be goons and they will keep the ship models for themselves? We are speaking of things with a real-life value here, and not simply fake internet currency.
It would be awesome if everyone would at least attempt to think about what you are saying objectively and not just rage for the sake of raging. If I didn't know any better, I would say 95% of the comments here are trolls, but I fear they are meant seriously. Barrens chat in Eve - who would have thought...
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Dex Slim
Phrike Squadron
4
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:50:00 -
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BLerchg wrote:Jamison wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :) Original post.This is so wrong, how many EULA violations is this exactly CCP Navigator? Does a reply like this meet the TOS? Regardless if it is true or not, the only way of knowing this information would be for this person to look into the personal data on SOMER BLINK and then turn around and writing about it in a public post. The fact that the issues are being completely ignored by CCP Navigator and was was never mentioned to the CSM makes me think that we have not begun to hear the whole story. Just how long was this project being worked on, who was involved with the deal and what have people been given to make this work? some people seem to overlook this. we have a case of an individual inside somer blink using our account informations to influence a discussion to his favor. WTF. you can do all kinds of nasty things with those informations. how can CCP work with them.
It puts into light a corporation, or in this case an individual that is a representative for said corporation, that doesn't care about customer information. Information that in any serious business is kept classified. Why? Because anyone would stay far away from a business sharing personal information at a whim like that. Why would I believe that such an individual being unethical about some things, would not be unethical in other? E.g. rigging a lottery given the chance? Why am I forced to have to deal with such a corporation in order to get access to new content?
However, the real point is still that even if SOMER is legit they would gain immensively by this deal. How can CCP decide and justify that a corporation deserves trillions of ISK just handed over to them? What about all other individuals and corporations that in our eyes deserves it more? If CCP goes through with this they would dig themselves a pretty deep hole for themselves. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
183
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Posted - 2013.09.27 09:57:00 -
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T'kimat wrote:Andski wrote:EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not. Having a player run event in the United States in blatant favoritism towards Americans. Where exactly is the ingame advantage that will distort ingame competition for being at Eve Vegas or getting a RL spaceship model?
Quote:We are speaking of things with a real-life value here, and not simply fake internet currency. Yeah, exactly. I don't give a flying f*** how IRL rich you are. I care about my fake internet sandbox, that's kind of why I'm posting here, as a player of the fake internet sandbox, ya know?
Quote:It would be awesome if everyone would at least attempt to think about what you are saying objectively and not just rage for the sake of raging. If I didn't know any better, I would say 95% of the comments here are trolls, but I fear they are meant seriously. Barrens chat in Eve - who would have thought... You're like that kettle in a glasshouse calling the stones black while throwing pots. |
Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
40
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:00:00 -
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Why isnt there a charity attached to this thing? just handing somer 5 extremely expensive ships because he runs a successful lottery doesnt seem entirely well thought out. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Oppan Ganknam Style
861
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:18:00 -
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Best case scenario - Somer makes a lot of ISK out of the extra lotteries, then steals the unique ships, some interesting EVE history is made and the game gets some publicity.
Most likely scenario - the biggest act of CCP/individual player collusion since the fraudulent T2 BPO handouts occurs. Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |
T'kimat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:24:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Best case scenario - Somer makes a lot of ISK out of the extra lotteries, then steals the unique ships, some interesting EVE history is made and the game gets some publicity.
Most likely scenario - the biggest act of CCP/individual player collusion since the fraudulent T2 BPO handouts occurs.
Most likely scenario: Largest whinefest since monoclegate and CCP stops supporting player-run events, since there is no sign of constructive feedback - only blind rage. |
Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:26:00 -
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1. Eve employees aren't allowed to bid and would thus be excluded from winning prizes. I believe Chribba's Dice is used to pick winners and that CCP holds the prizes until the drawings and transfers them through SOMER to the winners (ticket numbers being available before the drawing for the public to view).
2. If so, worst case scenario is that a Blink employee might risk a lucrative position working for SOMER for the same chances to win the lottery as any other player. The third party drawing service would separate Blink from the chance to GÇÿstealGÇÖ the items. Some people are talking about Blink employee shills, without understanding that many casinos use shills (or prop players) as a customer service - people filling poker tables to keep games going being one example. In the case of Blink, it would help the games move faster and would not detract from the odds of any individual ticket winning. This is a good thing, though again IGÇÖm not sure itGÇÖs even happening. I do know that if one wants, free tokens can be used to get tickets. Using free tickets isn't gambling with risk, there is no -EV. Yeah, you'll have to support a site that's sponsoring a tourney for Eve by refreshing their page and signing up.
3. Assuming I'm correct, non-SOMER employees cannot win the prizes and there is little chance of SOMER Blink employees GÇÿrunning offGÇÖ with them. People who have cheated using Blink or have broken their TOS in the past will also be excluded. Spouses, brothers, visiting relatives, etc. who want to Blink do seem to be out of luck (system isnGÇÖt perfect). Outside those groups, the prizes will go to Eve players with at least one ticket in the lottery. Prizes stay within the community and everyone knows the rules, some may choose to buy better odds if they want them and yes those funds support SOMER. Considering every 10m=15bids at the most assuming no wins (10 tokens + 5 separate 2m bids), it's relatively cheap to buy additional votes (even blinking with that same-IP buddy and agreeing to split prize value). I won't go into the possibility of achievement hunting to recoup that ISK, or the fact that ISK may actually be won while simultaneously getting more bids. More than one achievement instantly qualifies for guaranteed positive credit and can be earned within a day.
4. CCP seems only guilty of increasing traffic through an in-game corporation's site. They aren't giving prizes directly to SOMER Blink employees for running a favored casino, they're using SOMER Blink's site to channel promotional items to players for the Eve-wide event SOMER Blink is sponsoring. I think there's a clear difference there. SOMER Blink isnGÇÖt gaining the value of the items, theyGÇÖre gaining the value of the increased Blinks people are enticed to make specifically to win those items (I agree that this is likely a large amount, but have no idea what it will be). Players will be participating more frequently in the business model SOMER established trying to win the items, which will indeed increase SOMERGÇÖs earned in-game ISK. Their own promotions do the same thing. This same business was prepared to lose in-game ISK sponsoring the tournament in the first place; the income may help to offset or even eclipse that amount but again I have no idea. These promotional items may entice more in-game corporations to sponsor events in the future, giving back to the community some of the ISK theyGÇÖve made, in the hopes of similar promotional support. I agree that a clear, fair selection process would need to be implemented to keep this type of promotional system. As an off-the-cuff idea, blind bids could be submitted from every Eve corp during a period of time before future tournaments for the prizes they would offer as sponsors. Players could vote on the winner or the highest value prizes could win outrightGǪ there are many interesting systems that could be set up. I donGÇÖt see why this is a bad thing for the Eve Universe overall. The current system definitely needs tweaking, but I think there could be exciting possibilities. Yes, large organizations will be dominant in this system GÇô as they are in almost every aspect of Eve currently. If Red Frog won the bid and each paid system jump got me a ticket to win similar items, IGÇÖd probably find excuses to move my stuff around more often. I see many posts requesting that similar sites get similar treatment. CCP has said they hope to expand these types of prize-donations in the future, which makes me think theyGÇÖre looking into possibilities for accomplishing that. Who would a better trial corporation for this type of promotion have been, and why would (for example) the Red Frog Vegas Tournament with special CCP prizes have been a bad thing as well if they had chosen to sponsor this event?
I guess I'm most confused as to whether people are against CCP providing prizes for organizations who choose to sponsor events (which only players outside of those organizations can win), or if it was the selection process itself thatGÇÖs getting the backlash. Any player had opportunity to create a product players want to drop ISK on in large amounts, sponsor events, give away ISK, all while generating real money in the form of GTC purchases which lets CCP spend more time on improving the game and less time on marketing. ThereGÇÖs talk about SOMER Blink as if it isnGÇÖt Eve content, assuming itGÇÖs a scam, implying other in-game profit ventures are somehow superior or more true to Eve and that SOMER Blink does nothing to benefit the community. Every individual and organization in the game had the opportunity to sponsor this tournament to promote their own businesses and offer prizes for participants (without quid-pro-quo expectation). SOMER did this time, and in the future other corps may get the same opportunity. It's either easy to do or there's something special about these guys.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2197
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:35:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote: ~ snipped for char count ~
Somer is known for disqualifying players based on their discretion - this often includes things like "theres already an account that uses this ip". That now means no one who shares a connection with another player (for example those in college dorms, or two house-mates who both play, or ... etc). These players are being excluded from this content at the discretion of another player group.
Why should one player group be granted this "prize"? I'm all for supporting third party events and what not, but it must be done fairly and in a way which does not directly benefit one group over another (how many other smaller, similar things are there to somer? They aren't being given exclusive content to use, CCP are not driving traffic to their sites or ingame business with direct statements of their legitimacy, etc)
The entire ordeal stinks.
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
42
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Posted - 2013.09.27 10:51:00 -
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T'kimat wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Best case scenario - Somer makes a lot of ISK out of the extra lotteries, then steals the unique ships, some interesting EVE history is made and the game gets some publicity.
Most likely scenario - the biggest act of CCP/individual player collusion since the fraudulent T2 BPO handouts occurs. Most likely scenario: Largest whinefest since monoclegate and CCP stops supporting player-run events, since there is no sign of constructive feedback - only blind rage.
I fear something simular. The "Summer of Rage" ended so: "Hmm, you don-¦t like microtransactions? Okay, we cancel them, but you won-¦t get WiS."
"T20 2.0" could(!) end so: "Hmm, you don-¦t like we favor one playergroup over all the others? Okay, we cancel it, but there will be no other sponsorship in future."
But this can-¦t stop us! Until now, CCP has no reason to react. Our outcry isn-¦t loud enough! Mobilize your reserves! Post about this concern in your allychat, corpchats, your blogs and Forums! Write your CSM about it! Give CCP headaches to think about that they have done here! They need to know, that they can-¦t deal in such a way with us, their playerbase, their income! This is a great Chance for the CSM to show, that you are really representatives of the players! There has to be emergency meetings over and over!
Together we can do a lot, that Eve stays what it is, our favourit game! |
Tinman Spectacular
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:15:00 -
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Want to know why this doesn't pass the smell test? Replace "Somer Blink" with whatever in-game entity you despise the most and read this out loud.
"In an effort to promote the Winter Expansion, we will be giving Somer Blink several unique prizes to auction off, including rare ships and fan-fest trips. They are a very special little snowflake and do so much for the community we think this is a great idea for everyone and see no problems at all with this directly or indirectly benefiting Somer Blink with loyal followers, customers, and ISK."
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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:22:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Way to miss the point.
The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.
YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
Edit: I would like to run a promotion, you can send me one (1) coupon good for an all expenses paid trip to fanfest, I promise my winning of my own lottery will be entirely fair and well accounted for.
CCP, you might have changed the prizes, but you are still showing favouritism to a group of players.
As such, IMHO, you have not solved this issue, (as I belive it is). |
Matias Otero
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
10
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:25:00 -
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While better, it's still a fundamentally wrong move.
To be truthful, it's not that different from invite PLEX, where you get money every time one of your contacts subscribes. It's also an ISK reward for promoting and making EVE bigger and better so I can understand that. Yes, it is an intrusion into the "pure" market mechanics of EVE but to be honest it's a justifiable one. Without new players, EVE dies. Thing is, invite PLEX are very straightforward. Someone pays CCP, you get paid. Content is added to the universe, money to CCP's coffers. Everyone wins.
This a whole other story. It's essentially a blank check and an official endorsement to a player-run for-profit corporation (running something as pedestrian as a lottery of all things) that's potentially valued in the 100's of billions. I know for a fact I've gotten at least a 100 accounts to subscribe through my founding and promoting of Brave Newbies. My in-game reward was becoming space-rich from invite PLEX. Now should I go ask CCP for a special-edition vessel that I can sell for billions? No, because I believe the unique player-driven concept of EVE is more valuable than myself or my organization.
I applaud CCP for promoting player-run organizations that increase EVE's visibility, they absolutely deserve rewards and recognition, but injecting 100's of billions into their wallets and thus violating the very principles of the EVE universe is the wrong way to go about it. Give people something, yes, but not in a way that affects the economy or gives an unfair advantage. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:27:00 -
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since the summer of rage has been taken already, can this be called the autumn of autism? Follow me on twitter |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2792
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:41:00 -
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I thought CCP thousand dollar jeans had left the building? (this is terrible) Time for the new CSM to throw their weight around.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom-á |
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Thelos Morgenstein
Legion of the Strike Wolves Swollen Starfish Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:46:00 -
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Somer Blink website is on shared hosting, one of those sites is also a **** site, I wonder how many adults will be happy seeing the same IP addy for a **** site show up in the history of where their kids go to game ?
How much money/plex do Somer Blink get from their deal with "markee dragon game codes" ?
As I look at it CCP are giving goods to a player so he can use them to gain real money in the outside world ? RMT'ing by any chance ? |
RAW23
247
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:47:00 -
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Quote:CCP seems only guilty of increasing traffic through an in-game corporation's site.
Only?
For the economic side of the game, that is the equivalent of saying 'CCP is only guilty of making it easier for a single chosen corp to kill its enemies'. Businesses in EVE compete with each other and deliberately handing a business an unearned edge is no different from handing combat advantages to a favourite PvP corp. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
87
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:57:00 -
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Sorry CCP but having Somer Blink doing the Distribution/Lottery for whatever unique ingame items is the dumbest idea ever. As long as you as CCP can't make 100% sure the Distribution/Lottery isn't rigged at all you never ever use a 3rd party for it.
Second point why on earth should i have to register on Somer Blink to be eligible for the prizes, i want the chance to win unqiue ingame items within EVE not on a 3rd party site. I understand that you want to promote Somer Blink but then do not use unique ingame items for promotion, use something else as prizes like the free trip to Fanfest or Grafic Cards, Mousepads or anything from your Fanshop, T-Shirts etc.
You as CCP do not want to have the fallout of any conspiracy theory after you used Somer Blink, imagine thousands player who obviously didn't won are crying foul on the forum and saying the Lottery was rigged and a Somer guy got all the goodies. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
183
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:03:00 -
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T'kimat wrote:Most likely scenario: Largest whinefest since monoclegate and CCP stops supporting player-run events, since there is no sign of constructive feedback - only blind rage. Well, if the supported events are ingame and for-profit then I hope that CCP stops supporting them, that's what this is all about.
If they choose to sponsor non-profit out-of-game things I don't mind, that doesn't distort competition in the sandbox. And if they choose to sponsor for-profit ingame things like Somer with small out-of-game stuff like free subscriptions or mentions in dev blogs I don't care much either.
Memnon Shepard wrote:I guess I'm most confused as to whether people are against CCP providing prizes for organizations who choose to sponsor events (which only players outside of those organizations can win), or if it was the selection process itself thatGÇÖs getting the backlash. First of all, you don't know if the Somer employees can't win the prizes they are given, if they do it smart neither you nor CCP would ever know if they did.
But that's beside the point really, the problem is that an ingame for-profit organization is supported, on top of that it's a very successful for-profit organization which therefore doesn't require support anyway. This distorts the competition with similar organizations and CCP is de facto acting as a kind of kingmaker, crowning Somer as the CCP-endorsed lottery provider. They are making it even worse by officially claiming that Somer has not scammed in the past, which they can't possibly know (unless Somer is Navigator's alt) and even if they magically knew it they have no business commenting on the legitimacy of ingame for-profit organizations.
Quote:ThereGÇÖs talk about SOMER Blink as if it isnGÇÖt Eve content, assuming itGÇÖs a scam, implying other in-game profit ventures are somehow superior or more true to Eve and that SOMER Blink does nothing to benefit the community. Every individual and organization in the game had the opportunity to sponsor this tournament to promote their own businesses and offer prizes for participants (without quid-pro-quo expectation). SOMER did this time, and in the future other corps may get the same opportunity. It's either easy to do or there's something special about these guys. Most people do not have anything as such against Somer, and most people do not believe that Somer is a scam (it could be however, no outsider including CCP can know for sure), and most people do not think that Somer isn't contributing something to the community.
However I dislike the philanthropy angle cause as I've said in the older thread: If they close down their gambling site and continue sponsoring all kinds of stuff then it's philanthropy, as long as they run the site it's simply called marketing.
And yes, other ingame for-profit organizations can use marketing too, and doing marketing is totally ok. Getting support from CCP is not ok however.
HVAC Repairman wrote:since the summer of rage has been taken already, can this be called the autumn of autism? I like it. It has this certain je ne sais quoi. |
Alexi Steele
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:10:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:since the summer of rage has been taken already, can this be called the autumn of autism?
It fits better, since every single whinging minge in this thread is too new to know that BIG was given limited edition ships multiple times before, and "officially endorsed" before. This **** isn't new - just the people being jealous of it are. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
950
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:19:00 -
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I don't know why everyone is so mad really. Would you all be annoyed if they teamed up with Budwiser to do a give away based on codes on bottle tops? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
88
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:22:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I don't know why everyone is so mad really. Would you all be annoyed if they teamed up with Budwiser to do a give away based on codes on bottle tops? What does this have to do with anything? |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
94
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:29:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote: Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?
A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged.
Just for clarification. Is this CCP giving a guarantee that they have examined Blink's workings, their RNG and so forth and are willing to guarantee the legitimacy of the service that Blink offers?
Is this unheard of audit of a player run service by CCP going to become available to other player run enterprises?
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Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:40:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I don't know why everyone is so mad really. Would you all be annoyed if they teamed up with Budwiser to do a give away based on codes on bottle tops? The difference being Budweiser doesn't have a commanding in-game presence like Somer Blink. If CCP decided to give themittani.com a trillion isk or so of swag to disperse as Mittens saw fit I'm sure the rage would make monoclegate look like a couple of old ladies tutting over tea and biscuits. |
Ellumielle
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:56:00 -
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I think the idea of supporting player run corps/groups/events like that is awesome, but giving items to a gambling site is somewhat questionable (regardless of what exactly they receive). |
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