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Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:33:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote:All instances of CCP creating items in-game and simply giving them to someone to do with as they please will end in failure. They can certainly find better ways of handling it, though. Something like sponsorship packages for events could potentially work. Pay 200b, get your corp logo plastered everywhere at EVE Vegas, get a unique ship to do with as you please, and CCP mentions your site as an awesome place to go.
I think this is sort of what I'm hoping the system can evolve into. I totally agree and can clearly see the issue with dumping items on a corp for free, but I'd like to keep the introduction of unique items into the game alive. The proceeds could be spent entirely on a pool for the tournament, giving greater incentive for corps to turn out and participate. I just don't think the whole idea of sponsorship should be thrown away because the first attempt backfired.
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Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
388
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:34:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:My god you people are ********. It's a ******* game! Why have certain shipmodels when they don't physically exist anymore?
I for one thought the Gold Magnate would be a cool thing to give out since everyone had a chance to get it.
Ultra facepalm. I'm sure you'll find that right now people aren't concerned about what ship it is, but instead the blatant favoritism being shown by CCP toward one particular player group. Keep up with the rage, man. Don't get left behind. Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? They've greatly contributed to the community and people use their services all the time. It's the only legit EVE gamling site that I know of. You're all a bunch of welfare tards jealous of the success that others make for themselves through hard work.
Goons have contributed more to the community, lets give them the next set of free limited edition content to do as they please with. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:41:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:1. Eve employees aren't allowed to bid and would thus be excluded from winning prizes. I believe Chribba's Dice is used to pick winners and that CCP holds the prizes until the drawings and transfers them through SOMER to the winners (ticket numbers being available before the drawing for the public to view).
2. If so, worst case scenario is that a Blink employee might risk a lucrative position working for SOMER for the same chances to win the lottery as any other player. The third party drawing service would separate Blink from the chance to GÇÿstealGÇÖ the items. Some people are talking about Blink employee shills, without understanding that many casinos use shills (or prop players) as a customer service - people filling poker tables to keep games going being one example. In the case of Blink, it would help the games move faster and would not detract from the odds of any individual ticket winning. This is a good thing, though again IGÇÖm not sure itGÇÖs even happening. I think you're missing some points here. Casinos don't hand out free raffle tickets to shills. Blink can.
A raffle ticket for these items is generated with any ticket purchase including a promo. The cost of a promo is a token. Tokens are generated and assigned by the site through a variety of means. Do you really think blink is not able to assign credit/tokens out of thin air to shill accounts to buy out a large portion of promo tickets (which itself could be scripted)?
Memnon Shepard wrote:4. CCP seems only guilty of increasing traffic through an in-game corporation's site. They aren't giving prizes directly to SOMER Blink They are vouching for an in-game entity's integrity in a game where trust is the most valued possession. |
MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
14
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:41:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil?
You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned. myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
92
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:42:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote: It's the only legit EVE gamling site that I know of.
I would like to see your proof that somer is indeed legit (not that somer being legit or not has much to do with the situation) |
Tivookempireslave
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:42:00 -
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Steijn wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:My god you people are ********. It's a ******* game! Why have certain shipmodels when they don't physically exist anymore?
I for one thought the Gold Magnate would be a cool thing to give out since everyone had a chance to get it.
Ultra facepalm. I'm sure you'll find that right now people aren't concerned about what ship it is, but instead the blatant favoritism being shown by CCP toward one particular player group. Keep up with the rage, man. Don't get left behind. Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? They've greatly contributed to the community and people use their services all the time. It's the only legit EVE gamling site that I know of. You're all a bunch of welfare tards jealous of the success that others make for themselves through hard work. Goons have contributed more to the community, lets give them the next set of free limited edition content to do as they please with.
Unlike SOMER goons are known to steal, deceive, lie, extort, bribe and suggest people take their own lives in real life on LIVE TV broadcasted by CCP.
He did get banned but then got unbanned for that by the way.
I on the other hand got perm banned for being happy here on the forums when Vile Rat got killed irl. I tried to get unbanned but NO. Encouraging a living person to kill himself on LIVE CCP TV is obviously not worse than being happy about a dead person being dead. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
166
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:45:00 -
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Dex Slim wrote: Just giving one trillion in ISK to SOMER is not fair game. See the difference?
No. No I don't.
Somer blink has built up an organization and service that is successful to the point that they can do things like sponsor tournaments and add value/content to EVE. CCP should be able to recognize this and make whatever business arrangements they want with them.
How they compensate them for that doesn't really matter to me.
They could give them real money. (Which could be used to buy plex and then sold for isk.) They could give them plex. (Which could be sold for isk.) They could give them isk. (Which is already isk.) They could give them ships. (Which could be sold for isk ... or auctioned off for isk.)
Either way CCP gets more content in their game and somer gets isk.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
94
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:48:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Dex Slim wrote: Just giving one trillion in ISK to SOMER is not fair game. See the difference?
No. No I don't. Somer blink has built up an organization and service that is successful to the point that they can do things like sponsor tournaments and add value/content to EVE. CCP should be able to recognize this and make whatever business arrangements they want with them. How they compensate them for that doesn't really matter to me. They could give them real money. (Which could be used to buy plex and then sold for isk.) They could give them plex. (Which could be sold for isk.) They could give them isk. (Which is already isk.) They could give them ships. (Which could be sold for isk ... or auctioned off for isk.) Either way CCP gets more content in their game and somer gets isk. So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next. |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
388
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:48:00 -
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Tivookempireslave wrote:.....
permabanned but still posting......hmm, okay.
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Tivookempireslave
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:48:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned.
If you're unhappy that a legit organization gets a pat on the shoulder for the amazing amount of work they've done then I feel sorry for you.
The fact that the negative voices of the community stopped this is amazing. This is what's keeping EVE back from becoming a better game. |
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Tivookempireslave
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:49:00 -
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Steijn wrote:Tivookempireslave wrote:..... permabanned but still posting......hmm, okay.
Getting permabanned doesn't mean you cant start new accounts. Just saying. |
T'kimat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:49:00 -
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Steijn wrote: Goons have contributed more to the community, lets give them the next set of free limited edition content to do as they please with.
Annoying Gëá contributing
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Abernie
Massively Incompetent
94
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:51:00 -
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Tivookempireslave wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned. If you're unhappy that a legit organization gets a pat on the shoulder for the amazing amount of work they've done then I feel sorry for you. The fact that the negative voices of the community stopped this is amazing. This is what's keeping EVE back from becoming a better game. A pat on the shoulder in form of a trillion isk and real money from website traffic and gtc. Yup. That's not over the top at all. |
Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:53:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:I think you're missing some points here. Casinos don't hand out free raffle tickets to shills. Blink can.
A raffle ticket for these items is generated with any ticket purchase including a promo. The cost of a promo is a token. Tokens are generated and assigned by the site through a variety of means. Do you really think blink is not able to assign credit/tokens out of thin air to shill accounts to buy out a large portion of promo tickets (which itself could be scripted)?
I do see these possibilities, and I cannot personally audit the site. I suppose at the end of the day, the combined evidence of Blink being a legitimate business based on my past experiences, customer testimony, ability to see total tickets (and which characters own them), and lack of any evidence of them scamming despite constant attempts at discovery (including a site break-in without proof of shills) convinces me to trust the process. Knowing the profitability of the enterprise should they continue to operate legitimately also leads me to believe that, even if this was a big house of cards, it's currently sustainable and more profitable to keep propped up than to shut down.
Although, despite all this I think we're getting off the topic of the main issue of how to resolve the unique items being given to a single corporation. I'd like to keep these types of items being created by CCP, and I'd like corporations to be motivated to donate to these tournaments in the form of prizes/rewards. Whether or not players trust Blink is a personal decision and I don't think there will ever be agreement across the board.
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Tivookempireslave
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:53:00 -
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Abernie wrote:Tivookempireslave wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned. If you're unhappy that a legit organization gets a pat on the shoulder for the amazing amount of work they've done then I feel sorry for you. The fact that the negative voices of the community stopped this is amazing. This is what's keeping EVE back from becoming a better game. A pat on the shoulder in form of a trillion isk and real money from website traffic and gtc. Yup. That's not over the top at all.
No. If you want to start a lottery and spend year and years improving it's reputation and then MAYBE get trillions of isk from CCP then you have that ability. ANYONE can do that. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
166
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:54:00 -
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Abernie wrote: So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.
What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure? "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:56:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:Jamison wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :) Original post.This is so wrong, how many EULA violations is this exactly CCP Navigator? Does a reply like this meet the TOS? Regardless if it is true or not, the only way of knowing this information would be for this person to look into the personal data on SOMER BLINK and then turn around and writing about it in a public post. The fact that the issues are being completely ignored by CCP Navigator and was was never mentioned to the CSM makes me think that we have not begun to hear the whole story. Just how long was this project being worked on, who was involved with the deal and what have people been given to make this work? One could also be looking at the page when the gift was claimed, where the information is posted publicly for every player to see. I'm pretty sure that doesn't make it private top-secret privileged information. You mean this page which shows only the last 15 players to open a gift and no time stamp? I'm sure he didn't look at a log file or private profile page to see the credit was deposited 32 minutes before.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:59:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:By this logic the CCP devs cannot show up for eve vegas either. Somer blink is a sponsor of eve vegas and will have their logos everywhere. The CCP devs showing up will provide additional exposure for this event and that results in free marketing for somer blink. Marketing and exposure is the lifeblood of an organization like somer blink so CCP would be giving them an unfair advantage by showing up to eve vegas.
I don't see how any of this is unfair btw. Showing up to an event that is sponsored by Blink = OK Vouching for the integrity of Blink in a public announcement = Not OK.
If honest isk doubler Erotica1 sponsors the next player event, can she too be handed collectors items to give away and have CCP vouch for her integrity? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:03:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Abernie wrote: So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.
What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure?
If the beer company also manages the race, the other teams might find it objectionable. |
Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:05:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:You mean this page which shows only the last 15 players to open a gift and no time stamp? I'm sure he didn't look at a log file or private profile page to see the credit was deposited 32 minutes before.
Once something is public information, it's public information. Blink employees have a log of gift claims, anyone could create one but it's a stupid thing to be worrying about. I think it's a waste of time and a distraction from the real issue to throw arms up over Andrev pointing it out in a forum post. It goes back to some of the undeserved hate directed toward SOMER Blink over the past few days.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1348
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:the only people bothered by CCP giving insane wealth to a player entity are goons, apparently
is everyone in this thread who isn't applauding CCP for giving somer blink trillions of isk a goon alt?
If I am a goon alt, I want to know how you did this to me without my being aware of it. This is not a signature. |
Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:09:00 -
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Ok, I propose the following in response to Somer Blink getting a HUUUUGE handout:
1) Nobody play the gambling "game". Seriously, not even the "free" tickets.
2) Do not purchase any of these ships if they hit the market, no matter how cheap they fall (not likely)
3) Shoot on site anybody related to that corp/alliance, as well as the ships in question. Even if you're a miner with no intention of fighting, buy a gun if you see them and blast them away. Suicide gank if you have to.
Everyone up for that as a response to this development? say "Aye!" |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:15:00 -
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I guess CCP working with Sony has rubbed off -
"You're in our universe now!" |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
305
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:18:00 -
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Tivookempireslave wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned. If you're unhappy that a legit organization gets a pat on the shoulder for the amazing amount of work they've done then I feel sorry for you. The fact that the negative voices of the community stopped this is amazing. This is what's keeping EVE back from becoming a better game. I see you've decided to pretend that you're stupid. It's obvious that the central issue is giving away ISK to some but not all. There is no explanation being given for why Somer was chosen and not someone else. Nor has it been made clear what the criteria are for future giveaways or, indeed, why this is necessary. If they want to reward fan sites with out of game money because they feel that those sites are partners in advertising and that sort of thing, then they should that. When they cross over to in game rewards for out of game sites, they're affecting game play for everyone. Giving away potentially 100s of billions of ISK (or even 1 billion for that matter) has direct ingame consequences. If this giveaway had been given to Goonswarm and TMC for their promotional web presence, this would be an epic threadnaught with hundreds of pages.
This is an extraordinarily and obviously bad idea. What makes it all the more galling is that it first appeared in the Somer Sell Forum thread, with no other public announcement, no discussion, no warning, and no followup until someone finally broke the story in GD. When you see CCP doing things quietly like this, it should be a warning sign to you. They publicize everything they do, but not this. It has to make you wonder; not about grand conspiracies, but about WTF people are thinking when they go through with this sort of thing.
And for God's sake, CCP, will you hire a professional communications consultant already? You've allowed a dev to step on your expansion announcement with an ill conceived and very, very poorly timed announcement. Bokononist
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:18:00 -
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How many times does it have to be stated that Somer Blink's ethics are irrelevant. This is about CCP's ongoing inability to conduct itself ethically. This is a well documented problem.
(This is not a response to the post above, which seems to get it right.) |
Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:19:00 -
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Kalishka Askulf wrote:Ok, I propose the following in response to Somer Blink getting a HUUUUGE handout:
1) Nobody play the gambling "game". Seriously, not even the "free" tickets.
2) Do not purchase any of these ships if they hit the market, no matter how cheap they fall (not likely)
3) Shoot on site anybody related to that corp/alliance, as well as the ships in question. Even if you're a miner with no intention of fighting, buy a gun if you see them and blast them away. Suicide gank if you have to.
Everyone up for that as a response to this development? say "Aye!"
Better, still:
5) block the gambling site on your browsers immediately. Whenever some link pulls you there by mistake, the blocker should stop your hit being counted |
Batelle
RisingSuns
165
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:19:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Way to miss the point.
The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.
YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
This. It makes no difference if its a gold magnate or a pink rifter or 100 PLEX, CCP should not be giving out such enormous in-game value to a for-profit lottery company. Fighting is Magic |
Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:38:00 -
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CCP, explain how giving out a bunch of rare/uniquie ships to a gambling site is any different from giving T2 BPO's to BoB. |
Sabine Vynneve
0.0 POWERBLOCK Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:47:00 -
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Didn't read the thread, but does someone actually believe all these ships won't be just won by SOMER alts? |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:54:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea and isnt a somer alt or a truly mindless brownnoser? MyEveLotto wrote:People with gambling addictions...? Straying a bit into ad hominem attacks for no reason... I'm willing to bet there are people out there, myself included, who aren't SOMER alts/brown nosers/gambling addicts and also think supporting player-driven initiatives to increase community turnout to live events is a good idea. Yes I'm one of them.
I'm also one of those people who thinks the way they went about it is pants on head. |
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