if you don't like the guys running the poco on a planet, you can kill the poco or set up on another planet

Except there is no competition - there is only ONE customs office at each planet. THAT IS A MONOPOLY on resource access (an absolute monopoly on imports.)

If there were several custom offices at each planet - or one structure with several offices that players could select from, there then might be some healthy economic competition.

BS Not so easy.

[quote=Elana Maggal][quote=Andski][quote=Gizznitt Malikite]
there are other planets out there and in eve destroying the POCO and setting up your own is the economic competition. Your problem is not a problem and your solution is not a solution cause when a corp would set up both POCO's on a planet you'd ask for a third and then a fourth etc all in the name of competition while it's just laziness.

Except there is no competition - there is only ONE customs office at each planet. THAT IS A MONOPOLY on resource access (an absolute monopoly on imports.)

If there were several custom offices at each planet - or one structure with several offices that players could select from, there then might be some healthy economic competition. ... Might be.

Economic competition. Not military competition.

There is no competition militarily between hi-sec players and a big alliance. If you think there is you're deluding yourself.

Healthy economic competition means resources that can't be monopolized. Here clearly you have resources that will be monopolized by those who have more military power aka the Big Alliance players.

If will really **** up the PI economy good.

It's hard to believe CCP supports this crap. And wants to call it a sand box for everyone. Sand box my ass CCP.

I don't think denying acces in HI Sec should be an option.

Hi sec should be a place where new players can try out stuff like PI, having acces denied isn't realy good PR.

I'm not sure about the other changes:

one part says yeah go for it an other part is abit weary about the big alliances taking over and destroying part of the gameplay.

I'm not sure which of these to sides have won in my head.

No standing/security or suspect flag hit will happen.

No standing/security or suspect flag hit will happen.

I suppose you could say there is no competition for moongoo either, since you can only put one POS at a moon? On a very, very local scale you are correct, but not in the larger scheme of things.

There are 1090 High sec systems and 817 Low sec represented in the "Empire Regions" chart on dotlan:
Regional Planet Distribution Charts

If we assume 50% of the empire planets are in highsec, then in any empire region you will have 100's of planets you can use in any region.
FYI, from the chart, there are 16285 planets in empire space, and we can safely estimate 8000 of those are in highsec. At 100m per poco, it would take 800 billion isk to claim them all, and it would be a logistical nightmare protect them.

The main question is, who will pay 500 million ISK to attack the GSF POCOs? Truth be told, many groups will gladly pay that for the large number of targets they get presented with. Add to that the desire to get in "fleet fights" with GSF in a "you can't hotdrop here" situation, and it is quite possible GSF will simply make themselves big targets by zealously claiming highsec POCOs.

>> You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land.
>> The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons.

Yeah - common clay morons. That's the way we are viewed by the goon turds. Who seem to think a free market is getting CPP to creating sandbox rules that benefit them and **** everyone else over.

How like the RL economy in the US.

So whats stopping goonswarm or any other large null sec alliance taking over EVERY poco in high sec in no time? Because you know damn well that this is going to happen. Yet again another implementation for the nullsec alliances to make massive passive income! Arrgghhh

Not only does it cost billions to even war dec them, they can bring 100s of subcaps to defend them. Well done CCP well done.




Who thought of this absolute stupid idea?

So whats stopping goonswarm or any other large null sec alliance taking over EVERY poco in high sec in no time?

So whats stopping goonswarm or any other large null sec alliance taking over EVERY poco in high sec in no time? Because you know damn well that this is going to happen. Yet again another implementation for the nullsec alliances to make massive passive income! Arrgghhh

Not only does it cost billions to even war dec them, they can bring 100s of subcaps to defend them. Well done CCP well done.




Who thought of this absolute stupid idea?

>> You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land.
>> The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons.

Yeah - common clay morons. That's the way we are viewed by the goon turds. Who seem to think a free market is getting CPP to creating sandbox rules that benefit them and **** everyone else over.

How like the RL economy in the US.

You pretend there is like a Plasma planet in every sector, or that a hi-sec corp will simply get-up and go somewhere else just to find non monopolied Big Alliance custom office in some other system.

That's crazy talk. Let me tell you something: PI is barely worth the gameplay effort as it is. This just pretty much hands over the big profits from PI to the big alliances - as if these guys don't get enough profit from their moon goo from nul-sec.

It closes down options for hi-sec players, it makes the sand box SMALLER. It monopolizes resources and acts as if it's some kind of free market ****. It ain't. It's a MONOPOLY.

First off, POCO's in nullsec won't have the 10% NPC tax rate (5% with skills). This is a HUGE deal, as Big Alliances have logistics chains setup to really minimize the efforts required to move PI goods back and forth.

Highsec POCO's will also see a general reduction in cost of usage. Sure, some entities may block Plasma planets to "block usage", but even if goons setup every POCO at 5% tax rates, and your an unskilled new player, 15% (5 to goons, 10 to NPC) is still cheaper than 17%.

This change makes highsec PI more viable.
This change adds highsec targets to spark wars over.
This adds a new income stream for entrepreneurial groups.
This adds a new method to conduct economic manipulation of markets (instead of Ice interdiction, we get Enriched Uranium Interdictions).

How can you possibly think this is bad for the game?

Guess I might as well delete my PI now...