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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3042
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Posted - 2013.10.15 20:07:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Lasers can be tracking disrupted, optimal disrupted, and neuted.
Autocannons can be tracking and range disrupted.
Blasters and rails can be tracking and range disrupted, as well as neuted.
But missiles? Nope. No form of any effective e-war against missiles. As long as you're in range, they hit, they do damage, and they kill. This is unbalanced, especially with the introduction of new launchers.
Also, don't say "ECM" or "sensor disruption" because those apply to ALL hulls, not just missile boats.
Defender missiles?
I know, the end of that sentence should be "sucks" lol
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
327
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Posted - 2013.10.15 20:12:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:But missiles? Nope. No form of any effective e-war against missiles. As long as you're in range, they hit, they do damage, and they kill. This is unbalanced, especially with the introduction of new launchers. Not this sh*t again...  I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
The Wise Man's Fear You Failed the Mumble Test
0
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Posted - 2013.10.15 20:34:00 -
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Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too? |

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
895
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Posted - 2013.10.15 20:46:00 -
[304] - Quote
Make the Tornado a missile boat.
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
327
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Posted - 2013.10.15 21:17:00 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too? Let's swap the Naga out for missiles. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

XvXTeacherVxV
S.E.N.T.I.N.E.L.
32
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Posted - 2013.10.15 22:00:00 -
[306] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too? Let's swap the Naga out for missiles.
This was a better idea before RHML were on the table. If the Naga couldn't fit them, then it might still be viable but I think some folks would cry foul if it could because it would be so much more versatile than the other ABC hulls. EVE Forums need a button right next to "like" that says "you need to calm your silly self down." |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
327
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Posted - 2013.10.15 22:17:00 -
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XvXTeacherVxV wrote:This was a better idea before RHML were on the table. If the Naga couldn't fit them, then it might still be viable but I think some folks would cry foul if it could because it would be so much more versatile than the other ABC hulls. Heavy missile Naga with a range of 62km. Works for me. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
102
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:22:00 -
[308] - Quote
Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix? Blue-Fire Best Fire |

baltec1
Bat Country
8244
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:48:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix?
But that might make it useful... |

Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
98
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Posted - 2013.10.16 07:13:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=286965
~ shameless ~ |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
102
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Posted - 2013.10.16 07:27:00 -
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Didn't know you made your own post. I'm so sorry bro! Blue-Fire Best Fire |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
529
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Posted - 2013.10.16 08:32:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too? Let's swap the Naga out for missiles.
Let's make the Talos a missile boat  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
895
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:17:00 -
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Looking at eve-kill's top 20, which as we all know is a perfectly accurate representation of ship balance and Eve , then we see that the Naga is the most popular ABC. So it's not a good idea to make it a missile boat, it'll just annoy people.
Instead, let's make the least popular ABC into a missilespammer. That's the Oracle. |

Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
192
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:50:00 -
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Heavies were nerfed to bring them in line with medium long range turrets.
Medium long range turrets were buffed.
See the problem? RHMLs will shoot heavies, and heavies still suck.
It's reasonable to buff heavies to pre-nerf levels in light of the medium long range turret buff, and then worry about balance for these new turrets. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
330
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:54:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Looking at eve-kill's top 20, which as we all know is a perfectly accurate representation of ship balance and Eve  , then we see that the Naga is the most popular ABC. So it's not a good idea to make it a missile boat, it'll just annoy people. Instead, let's make the least popular ABC into a missilespammer. That's the Oracle. Yeah... no. It doesn't make sense to have two hybrid ships, and the Gallente already have the Talos. Naga should get missiles, plain and simple (or at least the ability to run either hybrids or missiles). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
330
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:55:00 -
[316] - Quote
Markku Laaksonen wrote:Heavies were nerfed to bring them in line with medium long range turrets.
Medium long range turrets were buffed.
See the problem? RHMLs will shoot heavies, and heavies still suck.
It's reasonable to buff heavies to pre-nerf levels in light of the medium long range turret buff, and then worry about balance for these new turrets. Heavies will suck less if we include the missile velocity bonus. I think the majority would be ecstatic with that. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
39
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Posted - 2013.10.16 15:28:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Heavies were nerfed to bring them in line with medium long range turrets.
Medium long range turrets were buffed.
See the problem? RHMLs will shoot heavies, and heavies still suck.
It's reasonable to buff heavies to pre-nerf levels in light of the medium long range turret buff, and then worry about balance for these new turrets. Heavies will suck less if we include the missile velocity bonus. I think the majority would be ecstatic with that.
I think the more important piece here would be, re-evaluate HM's, if the conclusion is they are working as intended, then yes, I agree with you. If they tweak them, and these changes effect range, then perhaps something like the vel bonus not being applied makes sense. This being because in both scenarios the end result is similar. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
330
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Posted - 2013.10.16 15:49:00 -
[318] - Quote
Outz Xacto wrote:I think the more important piece here would be, re-evaluate HM's, if the conclusion is they are working as intended, then yes, I agree with you. If they tweak them, and these changes effect range, then perhaps something like the vel bonus not being applied makes sense. This being because in both scenarios the end result is similar. I think HMs work as intended for the most part (most of the ships that can run HMs already bonus the velocity). It wouldn't be the end of the world to have a 62km range, but 95km would be better.  I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
330
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Posted - 2013.10.16 18:41:00 -
[319] - Quote
Could we please get an update (yay or nay) on including the missile velocity bonus for RHMLs? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
The Wise Man's Fear You Failed the Mumble Test
1
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:06:00 -
[320] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Could we please get an update (yay or nay) on including the missile velocity bonus for RHMLs? An update on anything missile related is usually too much to ask from CCP. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
339
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:29:00 -
[321] - Quote
Well, some of us enjoy running missile fits. So here's hoping... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
The Wise Man's Fear You Failed the Mumble Test
2
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:58:00 -
[322] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Well, some of us enjoy running missile fits. So here's hoping... Oh I greatly enjoy it, but by now I know better than to get my hopes up. |

Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
144
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Posted - 2013.10.18 06:46:00 -
[323] - Quote
When we get multi-barrel med variant of railguns for Rokh?
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Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
53
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:23:00 -
[324] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:When we get multi-barrel med variant of railguns for Rokh?
Like the dual 250 rails? |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
573
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:33:00 -
[325] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:When we get multi-barrel med variant of railguns for Rokh?
Like the dual 250 rails?
quite there are no medium bonused guns for battleships... RHML's are the wrong approach to adding a better tracking easier fitting missile option Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |

XvXTeacherVxV
Terra Incognita Insidious Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:13:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:When we get multi-barrel med variant of railguns for Rokh?
Like the dual 250 rails? quite there are no medium bonused guns for battleships... RHML's are the wrong approach to adding a better tracking easier fitting missile option
I think I agree. I'm wondering if it'd be better to kill the rapid missile series altogether, and then add tracking enhancers/computers for missiles instead.
I dream of a world where CCP:
- Removes rapid light missile launchers. - Lets defender missiles switch to target drones in the absence of missiles to hit. - Adds missile equivalents of tracking enhancers and tracking computers. - Changes tracking disruptors to also affect missile launchers - and add two scripts just for disrupting missiles.
Come join me guys, it's beautiful here. EVE Forums need a button right next to "like" that says "you need to calm your silly self down."Can you see the rapier??-áhttp://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
352
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:23:00 -
[327] - Quote
Sorry, but screw that. There are lots of inherent drawbacks with missiles already (you can always spot the gunnery folk). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
148
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Posted - 2013.10.20 11:05:00 -
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Introduce new ammo for cruise/torpedo launchers not next weapon systems. Sell them in NPC stations. If it will be OK . Seed the BPO. If it will be OP - stop seeding the ammo.
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
365
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:01:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Introduce new ammo for cruise/torpedo launchers... You had me up until this point.  I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
147
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:36:00 -
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XvXTeacherVxV wrote:Harvey James wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:When we get multi-barrel med variant of railguns for Rokh?
Like the dual 250 rails? quite there are no medium bonused guns for battleships... RHML's are the wrong approach to adding a better tracking easier fitting missile option I think I agree. I'm wondering if it'd be better to kill the rapid missile series altogether, and then add tracking enhancers/computers for missiles instead. I dream of a world where CCP: - Removes rapid light missile launchers. - Lets defender missiles switch to target drones in the absence of missiles to hit. - Adds missile equivalents of tracking enhancers and tracking computers. - Changes tracking disruptors to also affect missile launchers - and add two scripts just for disrupting missiles. Come join me guys, it's beautiful here.
No. Just no. Missiles already suck at pvp. Your suggestion would cause nobody to use them. Target speed and sig radius reduce the damage missiles cause already, not to mention that damage is not applied instantly as with turrets. Adding missile equivalents of tracking enhancers and tracking computers would not work as most missile boats do not have a lot of low slots. Not to mention missiles were nerfed already last year.
The only thing missiles do have going for them right now is that they will always hit if the target is in range, even though that damage will be reduced by targets speed and sig radius. RMLs, LMLs, and rockets are about the only worthwhile missile platform worth using currently. I personally can't wait for RHMLs as it will make missile BS somewhat usable in pvp again, besides being relagated to a structure bashing platform.
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