Explosion velocity or dont use.

I see lots of comparisons with navy cruise, but not with what you'd actually pack if you were trying to kill something smaller than a BC (the only reason you'd ever use RHML is to deal with smaller targets easier, right?)

With even only 1 TP, Precision cruise are pretty good against cruisers, particularly with 2 rigor. I'm not sure I see the draw for gimping range and peak damage against the (very common) BC in stepping down to RLHM.

Needs to inherit range buffs imho. Flying a brick slow raven with only 60km range and 'meh' peak dps makes me confused as to the problem being solved. At least with cruise you aren't forced inside Scorch range if you don't want to be.

Raven Navy Issue, T2 cruise launchers, precision cruise missiles and three rigors. Cruisers are done as dinner (and frigates not that far off).

So, when can we start looking into an attack battlecruiser with rapid heavy missile launchers? :)

Ok. Precision cruise missiles and Rigor. PvE Golem kills frigate in orbit with a single salvo, without the use of TP.
How many volleys need RHML?

Why not give a bonus to some Caldari BS to RHML? Like the bonus Caracal and Cerberus? Such as Raven, the initial BS.
Or line of Scorpion - The Scorpion navy - Widow (as Caracal - Cerberus)

is any ship gonna get a bonus to these so they arent just crap?

RHML find their use very precisely in BS vs smaller ships. Buffing their range would make them overlap cruise missiles, which is not the goal here.

I invite every one of you to read this brilliant article concerning RHML analysis with actual stats, graphs, and analysis, before making any undocumented feedback on the subject :
http://themittani.com/features/rapid-heavy-missile-launcher-analysis

[quote=Demotress]You get the damage bonus (and RoF) not the rest.
I agree with this decision since other bonuses would make the launcher too OP. (Imagine a typhoon bonus on these...)

besides deleting them before you have introduced them which is what you should do ....
why does it need so many OP faction/officer/deadspace versions?

Forgot to mention something important - Battleships with Damage bonuses (like Raven and Typhoon rate of fire) will have those bonuses applied to the new launchers. Any bonuses to damage projection or application will NOT be applied (such as Raven missile velocity or Typhoon explosion velocity).

I'm currently running the numbers on the new ships, but the bonus to explosion radius and velocity from the RNI and Typhoon seems like an oversight imho. I'll confirm this once I actually run the numbers, but I'm suspicious that without these bonuses the new missiles will come across as an afterthought, not an alternative.

I'm not saying that they are or aren't overpowered, it just seems inconsistent to let some ships take full advantage of fitting them while others can't.

I'm not saying that they are or aren't overpowered, it just seems inconsistent to let some ships take full advantage of fitting them while others can't.

The un-bonused range of cruise missiles is 148.1km; it's 62.9km for heavy missiles. Even with the full +50% missile velocity bonus you're talking about a range of 222.15km for cruise missiles and 94.35km for heavy missiles. Then there's the additional +10% velocity bonus cruise missiles have over heavy missiles. This is before the missile velocity on most battleship hulls, which makes cruise missiles twice as fast as heavy missiles.

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Where you see the "overlap" escapes me, because RHMLs are clearly mid-range weapons (both in terms of range and speed). The current proposal for RHMLs solely relegate them to hulls with damage or rate of fire bonuses.

I agree with you when you say that even with range bonuses, heavy missiles would still leave plenty of "range" for cruise missiles.
But you have to consider the fact that almost nobody snipes at more than 150km, and even less with cruise missiles, since at this range you cannot slow down your target, paint it, and warp scramble it. You do ridiculous damages, and people can warp to you, it's even more true now with warp speed changes.

So even if the theoretical range is 222km, in practice you won't see much use after 150km I guess, and I would more say 100.
So that's why I say it's overlapping with cruise missiles. :)

Forgot to mention something important - Battleships with Damage bonuses (like Raven and Typhoon rate of fire) will have those bonuses applied to the new launchers. Any bonuses to damage projection or application will NOT be applied (such as Raven missile velocity or Typhoon explosion velocity).

My biggest problem with the fact that these mods ignore some hull bonuses is that it makes it totally irrelevant how far you've trained your battleship skill with some ships. Anybody with Caldari Battleship 2 has the same effectiveness on Raven Navy Issue as someone with Caldari Battleship 5. THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

Maybe the solution is that these hull bonuses are only half as effective with RHMLs, but there should be SOMETHING that pilots get out of actually training their battleship skills up.

But missiles? Nope. No form of any effective e-war against missiles.