They are good at relocating ISK. That's about it. In this spirit you could give every relevant scammer a rare ingame ship.

I've decided not to resubscribe my two accounts.

CCP still don't see what is wrong with financially supporting a for-profit gambling site.A casino is not a community service.

PLEX is a pretty safe and stable straight gift, especially given the total existing PLEX vs. the rate of gift giving, it would have no measurable or detectable impact on in-game economy and also represents a pretty predictable and comprehensible value, even if players openly brag about it. "It's just a plex, big deal, anyone can get one".

But if you want something really clearly visible, such as a skinned ship, I would suggest one of two things. Either you make the ships unsellable, or (my preference) you make the skin an effect that appears on a normal ship, attached to the player, with their option to disable it if they want. So the dudes flying around in BRIGHT SHINY GOLD MYRMIDONS or something, everyone can see right away that they got recognition, but, otherwise it's just another ship-in-game. The side benefit is the player won't be afraid to actually fly that ship since the effect could show up for any new replacement they had to buy as well.

I can almost guarantee SOMER is looking at this thread and scratching his head wondering if the player base can count. If somebody hacked his account and stole "just" 100 IWSs worth of ISK he probably wouldn't notice for a long time, if at all. That's how far outclassed our wallets are by him. It's a non-factor. He hit the ludicrous ISK mark a long time ago. If he even does it for the ISK anymore it's only to see how crazy "crazy" can get.

tl;dr; what damage?

PS: When did we start looking to themittani.com as a source of credible space journalism? Jesus H Christ.

When do they run out?


But where do you draw the line?
If someone makes ISK by being a 3rd party on Super Traiding and sponsors community events to get more known, is that also "bad"?

But where do you draw the line?
If someone makes ISK by being a 3rd party on Super Traiding and sponsors community events to get more known, is that also "bad"?

I guess since they reported about stuff that turned out to be true? AFAICS everything they reported about this story turned out to be true and was confirmed by all involved sides, so what exactly is your problem with their reporting?

a casino is not a community service.

I see it more as a entertainment service, you pay money and get a adrenalin kick out of it.

But, yeah. I get what you mean. But they did not get the price for being a gambling site, they did because they give out money to Video Makers, Podcast, Tournaments and RL meetups.

If they did not get any advertisement in return, would that have been ok?

Yet it is still a good thing, unless you are saying that the 100 of billions isk they have used in sponsoring player driven events was worthless and that they should stop?

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.

I've answered this but I can clarify. It had to do with timing, our impression of their overall track record and capability, their niche, and habit of sponsoring events...to name a few. This mixed into a feeling that we should contact them and do stuff with them around EVE Vegas and upcoming tournaments. One thing we are doing more of and looking to do more of is E-sports and online tournaments and if you look at any team sport today you see a lot of betting sites doing sponsorship as that makes sense in sports...so it's just a relationship that we wanted to explore and which we will continue exploring. Doesn't take away from anything other people are doing that is totally different and brings a different kind of value to our universe.

As I said in the Assembly Hall, CCP should at least publicly disclose anything valuable or rare they spawn ingame, if only to make sure the market remains transparent and efficient.


Now, as for the Gold Magnate bait and switch, I'm still waiting for SOMER Blink to return my 16 billion. Posts in their thread have been ignored and ingame messages to Somerset Mahm had no effect, but I still like this organisation with "a solid history of trust and reliability" [CCP Navigator's endorsement, not mine] to honour my refund request. How do I go about this?

No, that was not the express purpose for why the IWS was created. As was stated in the first post, the IWS was created to be sold on the NeX store. I've seen several statements from CCP saying that community giveaways was the reason for the ship to exist all along. Is almost as if CCP is hoping that lie being told enough will make it become true.

When was the purpose of the IWS changed? If CCP had announced the change in purpose for the IWS ship ahead of being released in larger quantities, the price for the ship would never have been as high as it was nor do I think the outrage would have been as big. People were paying 30b from the start under the false assumption few additional ships would be added . If people knew CCP was planning on releasing 100's of the ship, the price would never have gotten over 10b.

I think the best course for rewards would be

Ingame items:
Only worthless but special stuff like the cards you gave out for the 10th anniversary, any kind of vanity stuff.

Out of game items:
Fanshop stuff


To avoid that already given out rare items stay rare or even increase in value like the IWS make them available for every player as christmas or anniversary gifts.

tl;dr:

A bunch of whiny "adults" complained something in life isn't fair.
CCP puts on hold a cool reward program until definition of fair can be determined.
Whiny adults continue to whine because they are whiners.

Get over it people, life isn't fair, EVE isn't fair.

HTFU.

Yes, EVE is fair. Why shouldn't it be? Would you want to play air hockey with the table tilted towards you?

Yes, and I have. It's even more satisfying to win against tilted odds.

These freebie ships have no value other than what people decide to perceive. They don't unbalance the mechanics of the game the way tilting an air hockey table would.

EVE is all about reaping rewards for your actions. You kill a ship, you get isk. You complete a mission you get LP. You conquer a region you get its moons.

...and if you create a popular community site that creates content and gives back support to others in the EVE community, you might get a trinket from CCP. Good for them for having the drive to do it and succeed at it, and good for CCP for rewarding these kinds of organizations.

It's too bad they feel they had to stop because other people have more desire to tear down than build.

Yes, and I have. It's even more satisfying to win against tilted odds.

These freebie ships have no value other than what people decide to perceive. They don't unbalance the mechanics of the game the way tilting an air hockey table would.

EVE is all about reaping rewards for your actions. You kill a ship, you get isk. You complete a mission you get LP. You conquer a region you get its moons.

...and if you create a popular community site that creates content and gives back support to others in the EVE community, you might get a trinket from CCP. Good for them for having the drive to do it and succeed at it, and good for CCP for rewarding these kinds of organizations.

It's too bad they feel they had to stop because other people have more desire to tear down than build.

...and if you create a popular community site that creates content and gives back support to others in the EVE community, you might get a trinket from CCP. Good for them for having the drive to do it and succeed at it, and good for CCP for rewarding these kinds of organizations.

It's too bad they feel they had to stop because other people have more desire to tear down than build.