tl;dr:

A bunch of whiny "adults" complained something in life isn't fair.
CCP puts on hold a cool reward program until definition of fair can be determined.
Whiny adults continue to whine because they are whiners.

Get over it people, life isn't fair, EVE isn't fair.

HTFU.

In the same sense you could say that CCP didn't support SOMER, the players did :). Not trying to be a smartass, I promise, ...just a little late night philosophy

eve is quite fair, actually: any advantage a player has over any other player is within the reach of any player, with exceptions few and far between

you're just trying to be the ~contrarian~

Well as a customer who enjoys you as a human being and a developer. I will not read into this anymore then it is. but fing with smart ass responses when you know what I mean is not helping. So lets start over here is your chance. Answer these question first.

1. Why wasn't the CSM told about this at the Summer Summit.

2. Why was the community team session not even on the agenda or was it on the agenda and canceled?

When you can give a good answer to these question I will return fire.

Guard here is a tip: When some one says they are not trying to be something. That is exactly what they are trying to be. I think they call that passive aggressive. As a community rep you need to avoid that during a crisis.

Creating a for-profit gambling website is also within reach of any player. So is organizing a competitive combat league.

I'm not being contrary for the sake of contrariness. I truly think people are up in arms over nothing and at the root of most all of the complaints is jealousy in one form or another.

Total storm in a teacup.

CCP has done nothing wrong and I feel no respect at all for thin-skinned narcissists who get furious any time someone else gets something nice that they don't get.

I'd like to see CCP carry on supporting people who put exceptional effort into the community and if people feel bitter maybe they should consider putting in an outstanding contribution.


Full disclosure: CCP Guard gave me a 30 day new account code at the Feb London meet. Think I got a Quafe bag once too. Encouraging fans is just business sense and helps us fall in love with the game.

No one is arguing against somers - or anyone elses - ability to try and make a profit. That is basically what this entire game is about - ruthless space capitalism.

What we object to are the creators of the game unfairly and arbitrarily stepping in and granting their personal favourites massive advantages to their business or massive personal rewards for succeeding in the game.

Creating a for-profit gambling website is also within reach of any player. So is organizing a competitive combat league.

I'm not being contrary for the sake of contrariness. I truly think people are up in arms over nothing and at the root of most all of the complaints is jealousy in one form or another.

In this dev blog prior to Fanfest 2012, we announced that the ISW was not exclusive and would evntually be made available to everyone eventually:

"This leads on to another question, does this mean we will be seeing ship skins for sale in the NeX store or by some other method? That is currently not the plan and is not in development so the short answer is no. The Ishukone Scorpion was already created as the first prototype and Game Design plan to release it to everyone at some stage."

Creating a for-profit gambling website is also within reach of any player. So is organizing a competitive combat league.

I'm not being contrary for the sake of contrariness. I truly think people are up in arms over nothing and at the root of most all of the complaints is jealousy in one form or another.

There are plenty of other for-profit gambling organisations within EVE, there are plenty of groups who organise pvp events. There are plenty of groups who do not organise events but sponsor them. And so on and so forth.

These other ones were not given the same massive boost to what their businesses can offer (i.e. special ships) and were not given direct personal wallet lining gifts (again with special ships).

So claiming "other people can do it" seems a bit empty when other people HAVE done it but haven't been treat the same way.

To resort to just claiming it is "jealousy" is rather childish. It isn't "jealousy" to expect a level playing field in a game

The vibe I got from this post:

Guess who DNSBLACK is in this.

Ill give you a hint, hes BLACK.

You're right... everyone should get a blue ribbon and a plaque for participation.

Trophies for everyone!

That would be meaningful.

It's rather sad to see the only defense of this boiling down to "you're just jealous because you didn't get stuff!!!"

That's not quite how it works, my dears. Lets imagine we're playing the ol' classic game Counter Strike. Lets say you start your first round, and the admin gives the other team AK47s, while your team are stuck with the pistols.

If you speak out against the admins actions, would it be fair to scream "you're just jealous you didn't get them!"? No, of course it wouldn't. It isn't jealousy, it's about balance and fairness.

You're right... everyone should get a blue ribbon and a plaque for participation.

Trophies for everyone!

That would be meaningful.

That's not what I said at all. Creating strawman arguments just makes you look like a troll.

You claimed anyone could do this and get the same 'reward' - and I'm pointing out that others have done these same things and not been treat the same way or been given the same things. That is me demonstrating that your statements are false.

Please be mature

Additionally, why can't the "meaningful" rewards be ones that don't give a direct in-game advantage over other players?

How about a non-transferable t-shirt for your char that has "SOMER" stamped on it? How about a USB rifter hub?

You understand that rewards can be meaningful and fair at the same time, yes?

That's not what I said at all. Creating strawman arguments just makes you look like a troll.

You claimed anyone could do this and get the same 'reward' - and I'm pointing out that others have done these same things and not been treat the same way or been given the same things. That is me demonstrating that your statements are false.

Please be mature

I'm pointing out that others have done these same things and not been treat the same way or been given the same things.

Sure thing. Sorry if I came off as gruff.

You said you still weren't clear on what SOMER did to deserve our attention. I replied to a similar question in this post . If there's anything more you'd like to know about it I can try but I really don't know how much more I can add. It was a judgement call at the time.

It had to do with timing, our impression of their overall track record and capability, their niche, and habit of sponsoring events...to name a few.

The moment has come...

Thank you CCP for taking away my motivation to play Eve Online!

Somer blink actually cannot be blamed, because it is CCP alone allowing their lottery business.

I dont care about the few thousand dollars i put into plexes and collector editions..

The thing what makes me very sad is, that you took away the joy i had playing eve, which is.. i mean was such a great universe for a virtual life.

I know nobody cares, just wanted to let you know CCP and maybe i am not the only one... :(

The moment has come...

Thank you CCP for taking away my motivation to play Eve Online!

Somer blink actually cannot be blamed, because it is CCP alone allowing their lottery business.

I dont care about the few thousand dollars i put into plexes and collector editions..

The thing what makes me very sad is, that you took away the joy i had playing eve, which is.. i mean was such a great universe for a virtual life.

I know nobody cares, just wanted to let you know CCP and maybe i am not the only one... :(

"GM Nythanos wrote:
Warnings include information stating that additional violations can lead to further action being taken up to and including a permanent ban if violations continue to be committed, such as:
"Please refrain from such activities in the future or we may take further action against your account, up to and including a permanent ban."

The other option is that we don't inform a player that additional action may be taken for future violations and just act if they continue but that's hardly ideal for anyone. It's better to let players know that they need to stop such activities since if they don't we may have to take additional action beyond warning them.


If a player receives a warning and has questions or concerns regarding it they are welcome to file a ticket and we can assist them with the matter accordingly."

LOL This is Irony and I think this is what the eve player base is telling you CCP community team.

you aren't the only one... i already let several accounts lapse due to this and am still debating what to do with the others as they come up for renewal. unfortunately, i do have to keep 2 accounts up for another month due to some in-game business (i keep my word, not gonna leave people holding the bag like CCP does), but depending on how this turns out, i may just let everything expire once that business is taken care of.

at the very least, i expect a complete halt in the issuance of SIW... not just a temporary stop... i'm talking a full, we're done, the units in game will be the only units in game type of deal. if you want to resume in the future, you do it with a new ship skin and announce it clearly and well ahead of time so that we don't have another situation with insider traders taking advantage of a falsely reported supply to sell their dev-spawned items for top dollar.