That sounds so wrong, but is unfortunately so right.

CCP Phanton stopped others from RMTing like Somer does.

What has became of EvE?

By leaving EVE we have affected it in a manner that is very hard for CCP to ignore.

Most places, Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.

In EVE, it's the other way around.

Which of the two roles are you doing now?

I don't see what the big deal here is. If you did something awesome you should get something awesome.

Most places, Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.

In EVE, it's the other way around.

That last part (my bolding) is very true. The only reason I put my 16 billion into SOMER Blink was to get a shot at owning a truly historic vessel, something CCP assured I had a honest chance of winning. I really want this settled and my patience and softspokenness should not be confused with a lack of determiniation or persistence.

I have an update on this situation:
Nothing has changed :(

I have an update on this situation:
Nothing has changed :(
No word from SOMER Blink. No word from Somerset Mahm. No word from CCP. It's like it's the most trustworthy and reliable thing in the world to announce you're doing something, take money for it, and then not do it.
Now I don't mind scams in EVE, but I do mind CCP actively participating in them. I would never have given SOMER Blink money if not for CCPs announcement and endorsement.

Next steps?

http://eng.innanrikisraduneyti.is/laws-and-regulations/english/lotteries/
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/ (ccp servers are on Uk territory, involved in facilitation of gambling, and this is the appropriate regulatory body)

Most places, Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.

In EVE, it's the other way around.

I would also assume that the UK has laws against bait and switch tactics, which could probably be extended to this case. If you are really determined to do something about this, that might be an avenue worth exploring.

Just relax and let's wait to hear back from CCP on it.

A quick status report from the CSM side.

We had a 30 minute meeting with CCP Dolan on Monday about a CSM initiative to survey the community. The result of that meeting was constructive, and resulted in a 90 minute meeting Tuesday with CCP Dolan, CCP Navigator and CCP Guard.

During the second meeting, it was agreed that the first step in the process of resolving these issues is to get a better read on community opinions about acceptable practices.

To do this, CSM will be running two forum surveys, in a manner similar to our crowdsourcing initiatives. These will focus on Appropriate Fansite Incentives and Acceptable Fansite Business Models, and will be structured in a way that we hope will encourage good debate.

At the same time, CCP will be running identical surveys through their established subscriber survey methods, so that we have data on the opinions of the general community in addition to the forum community.

We are currently working with CCP to finalize the list of survey questions. We hope this will be completed in a few days, and the forum surveys will go live as soon as possible thereafter. However, things may slip a bit because of EVE Vegas.

CSM welcomes your input as we finalize the survey questions. Our current plan is that each question will be a statement, with 4 possible responses: "This is OK", "This is a grey-area", "This should not be allowed", and "I have no opinion".

Here are some sample statements to give you an idea of the style:

Fansite incentives:

* CCP can provide PLEX as prizes for contests on fansites.

* Fansites should receive incentives in proportion to their benefits to the community.

Business Models:

* I provide a service to the EVE community, and if they want to thank me, they can give me ISK.

* I provide a service to the EVE community, and if they want to thank me, they can give me real money.

We are particularly interested in questions that explore the grey areas.

Then, when you start banning people for doing what SOMER is doing, they can take you to court and I can provide the evidence to show what the EULA actually said at the time, and your inability, CCP, to explain how and why it is wrong.

At which point any lawyer would laugh at you. Bear in mind, there's a 'terminate for any reason' clause in there. CCP have no obligation to do business with you.


The difference with the DNSBlack thing is:

CCP have a legal relationship with the authorized GTC seller. That relationship is not bound by the EULA, but by a different legal document (which we've not seen)
At no point does money pass directly from the GTC buyer to Somer.


Now, I'm not saying that it can't be considered to be RMT. But it's still a different relationship, which a regular player doesn't have.


Something to consider:
People sell starter packs, which give people a bunch of stuff in game. Limited to new characters only, but again, that sale isn't bound by the EULA.

RIOT COUNT ME IN

However, if the EULA is proven to not be enforced correctly and in a fair manner, the courts themselves will side with a party that has been wronged. It's fraud.

And what, exactly, do you think the courts will do about it?

Most places, Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.

In EVE, it's the other way around.

So I have about two days left on my account before time runs out. Has CCP actually announced what they plan to do about this or are they still employing the 'ignore it until the problem goes away' tactic? I stopped reading around page 30 or so and glancing through I really can't see anything except some mention of surveys.

I someone could post a quick tl;dr I'd be most appreciative.






P.S. No you can't have my stuff; I already gave it away.

They are apparently doing a survey and are taking months to NOT resolve the matter.

Funny it does not take them months to stop RMT when it doesn't involve Somer.