EvE banks were alive and popular. This back when putting together the money for a carrier / dread was a sensible effort.

ISK faucets made them redundant and obsolete as the vast majority of the bank business were in the order of hundreds of millions.
The whole net assets value of the largest bank was like 1.5T.
Consider how thanks to ISK abundancy, 1.5T is what these days a single veteran player owns all by himself.

Proving my point: Which banks survived? BMBE and large investment vehicles like Grendell or me. Because we can efficiently deal with very few (read: easy tellering) but large transactions. "Large" is the keyword of the post 2010, money inflated EvE.

EvE is a kindergarden for 25+ olds, because:

- those who want to play "simple and basic" (pew pew, mission etc.) get their content.
- those who after 10 years want to "go beyond" don't. EvE is clamped down to its basic level, wannabe advanced players can't push the sandbox into new directions, the sandbox walls really appear as the kindergarden doors.

I'd rather prefer working banks with political influence (like in RL, it's nothing incredible there) than RMT alliances having political influence, SOV and affect null sec politics.
If anything else, the former are legit sandbox byproducts, the latter I don't want to see them back again.

Why should I know anything about a city district (it's in New York, right?)? Or you think all the world should know about it?

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the marketing division of Crowd Control Productions as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes," with a footnote to the effect that the editors would welcome applications from anyone interested in taking over the post of robotics correspondent.

Curiously enough, an edition of the Encyclopaedia Galactica that had the good fortune to fall through a time warp from a thousand years in the future defined the marketing division of Crowd Control Productions as "a bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came."

GÇ£Share and Enjoy' is the company motto of the hugely successful Crowd Control Productions Complaints Division, which now covers the major land masses of three medium-sized planets and is the only part of the Corporation to have shown a consistent profit in recent years.
The motto stands-- or rather stood-- in three mile high illuminated letters near the Complaints Department spaceport on Eadrax. Unfortunately its weight was such that shortly after it was erected, the ground beneath the letters caved in and they dropped for nearly half their length through the offices of many talented young Complaints executives-- now deceased.
The protruding upper halves of the letters now appear, in the local language, to read "Go stick your head in a pig," and are no longer illuminated, except at times of special celebration.

You completely ignore the essential parts you can't counter. Like positive sides of plex which are not "insignificant".

Why should I know anything about a city district (it's in New York, right?)? Or you think all the world should know about it? And why would I google some local thing? If Bronx were a world-wide significant cultural or historical thing probably it would deserve being known and it's memes being known, otherwise it's just a place.

Eve is created as a "dark and cruel universe". Presence of "bad people" just fits in it.

If you're suggesting to remove or strongly restrict access to the capitals I cannot agree with you. Supercapitals - maybe should become more difficult to build/get, but not capitals.
If ccp wins against botting it will solve most of the "too many capitals" problem. And if ccp completely (or almost completely) ends all illegal rmt, it will also help.
"Afford a titan without wasting time"? Lol, its cost is rather significant even in RL money. If you lose that titan bought for real money in the next battle, you also lose (in a moment) precious time spent on your job in real world.
Illegal RMT and botting are interlaced, as you know: people use bots to grind isk to sell this isk for RL money, and people invest RL money to help their bots be more effective. Sort of a black market business. Remove bots and illegal rmt, and plex market won't be such a big "problem". Yes, it has its bad sides, but it also has significant good sides (I've mentioned already, more pvp activity and less grinding).

I have a question about this survey, I've cancelled my accounts over this (various other things have contributed but this pushed me over the edge) I would like to come back to the game at some point but I won't get a say in the survey because I'm not an active customer because I'm doing what I think is right.

Do I and the others who have cancelled accounts get a say or are we just going to be ignored due to the fact our voices on the forums have been ignored so far?

/me blinks, at first blush this seems likje a reasonable idea but then I thought about it.

People who have left Eve having a say in how the game should be or become. Think about all the folks who came looking far a themepark, their hands held, all wanting to make Eve into something it is not.

No, if you want a say then somebody has ta pay. Hopefully on your exit poll you made clear why you were leaving . . . THAT was your chance.

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/me blinks, at first blush this seems likje a reasonable idea but then I thought about it.

People who have left Eve having a say in how the game should be or become. Think about all the folks who came looking far a themepark, their hands held, all wanting to make Eve into something it is not.

No, if you want a say then somebody has ta pay. Hopefully on your exit poll you made clear why you were leaving . . . THAT was your chance.

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A*holes on the other hand, are just that: no added value a*holes and background fastidious noise.

I don't want to outsmart them and be insanely rich in EvE... and then just see one of them come in and create tens of billions with a credi card.

but then we just get skewed results saying "oh, players are cool with it" because most of the people who were disgusted by the issue have quit.

Kate, I agree that the results will be slightly skewed no matter how you slice it. That is why we are poolling in multiple methods, here in the forums and via the larger shotgun spread of the CCP mail version.

Here in the forums is an sub community. The people who metagame who do more than just PLAY the game. (Or play a larger part of it) WE care, enough to spend time writing and discussing the issues of the game.

But do you think we represent the majority of the players?

Do they deserve a voice and a say if they cannot be bothered to come onto the forums and educate themselves?
If they do deserve that voice how do we give it to them?

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Why are their opinions so important if they couldn't even find fun (or keep finding fun) in eve and keeped focused on a problem? We should just say "can-i-have-your-stuff" and wave goodbye to them.

Kate, I agree that the results will be slightly skewed no matter how you slice it. That is why we are poolling in multiple methods, here in the forums and via the larger shotgun spread of the CCP mail version.

Here in the forums is an sub community. The people who metagame who do more than just PLAY the game. (Or play a larger part of it) WE care, enough to spend time writing and discussing the issues of the game.

But do you think we represent the majority of the players?

Do they deserve a voice and a say if they cannot be bothered to come onto the forums and educate themselves?
If they do deserve that voice how do we give it to them?

m

CCP giving any player corp an in-game advantage is wrong.

Non tradable Barbie stuff is fine.

CCP giving any in-game entity anything in-game is wrong.

CCP have demonstrated time and time again they have plenty of awesome out of game things they can give to people as "rewards" and "thank yous" and such like.
**** me, look at the models they gave away at eve vegas. they are pretty awesome, give those to people who do cool stuff.

Those who voted for the CSM are a sub community.

Do you think those who voted in the CSM election represented the majority of players?

Should multiple forms/methods have been used to select the CSM?

Do you think those who could not be bothered and educate themselves about the CSM enough to vote deserve a voice and how should we give it to them?

Funny how a tiny number of votes (of the entire player base) can get folk elected to the CSM, but more representative methods are needed to decide if CCP favouring some player corps is acceptable.

CCP giving any player corp an in-game advantage is wrong.

Non tradable Barbie stuff is fine.

CCP giving any in-game entity anything in-game is wrong.

CCP have demonstrated time and time again they have plenty of awesome out of game things they can give to people as "rewards" and "thank yous" and such like.
**** me, look at the models they gave away at eve vegas. they are pretty awesome, give those to people who do cool stuff.

people who have canceled their accounts have done so because they feel strongly about the issue. why should their account be valued any less?

Because they're not capsuleers anymore. Leaving eve they waive the right to affect it.
An example to clarify this: If you leave some country and stop being its citizen you won't have vote there.
It's just logical and fair.

Do I think the CSM represents everybody? hell no, wish it did, though.

They changed the election method with the our most current run, now I think they need to change the outreach and campaign styles. If the mountain won't come to Mohamed . . .

and because I don't think we 14 are the 'true representatives' is why I support trying to talk to the greater public via polls as well as here in forums and in channels when I get the chance.

Because they're not capsuleers anymore. Leaving eve they waive the right to affect it.
An example to clarify this: If you leave some country and stop being its citizen you won't have vote there.
It's just logical and fair.

What do you think about non-tangible in game stuff? Or non-tradable in game stuff?

A named moon, station, planet, star system, agent, meta version of a module (i.e. a new meta 4 version which drops as normal)

Because they're not capsuleers anymore. Leaving eve they waive the right to affect it.
An example to clarify this: If you leave some country and stop being its citizen you won't have vote there.
It's just logical and fair.

Do I think the CSM represents everybody? hell no, wish it did, though.

They changed the election method with the our most current run, now I think they need to change the outreach and campaign styles. If the mountain won't come to Mohamed . . .

and because I don't think we 14 are the 'true representatives' is why I support trying to talk to the greater public via polls as well as here in forums and in channels when I get the chance.

CCP rewarding effort by communities and individuals is not wrong, but I am sure that is not what you meant. What you are saying is that all rewards need to be out of game as opposed to ingame advantages. But if it is non trade and just 'Barbie stuff will it be appreciated/valued? Best I have heard so far is planetary naming which they talked about doing for a Dust Tourney recently. I mean, How many planets are there?

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that would be a valid example if unsubscribing weren't our only form of protest.

Because they're not capsuleers anymore. Leaving eve they waive the right to affect it.
An example to clarify this: If you leave some country and stop being its citizen you won't have vote there.
It's just logical and fair.

Moving your thread is not endorsement, it's making sure that it's in the correct forum for the topic.

Discussion is still ongoing internally regarding this kind of practice.

Reference to any endorsement of this by CCP Staff have been removed until an decision is made regarding it rather than misinformation.

Don't put words in my mouth in future.

CCP Falcon, I cannot believe you are still assessing the situation after weeks. Maybe learn from CCP Phantom who assessed the situation and concluded in mere "TWO DAYS" when others tried to go Somer's way?

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