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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
484
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:12:00 -
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When CCP say "jump" you jump, then CCP just leave you there with broken legs. So typical. |
Isengrimus
LOST IDEA C0VEN
5
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:13:00 -
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Just FYI, there was more than "ONE EVIL FLEET OF NULLSEC MAD SLAUGHETERERS HARVESTING HISECCER KILLMAILS" (tm), perhaps the initial onslaught was done primarily by Razor alliance, but later on a full-scaled battle between nullsec powers broke out at the gate, and resulted in destruction of 3 capital ships and loads of battleships, not to mention the smaller vessels.
If the event was better coordinated, it could have been a great experience for the new players, giving them indeed a taste of pros and cons of the nullsec warfare (yes, TiDi, lag and 300+ enemy blobs are our common life, but so are sweet, sweet killmails, seeing capital ships melt under your fire and so on). So I can imagine people's frustration at CCP and it in fact makes me frustrated too, because instead of providing fresh and eager blood to our nullsec it caused many people to turn their backs on the null and come back to their silent loathing of the "EBUL ZERO ZERO EMPIRES" while mining veldspar.
So if I may suggest something - CCP, next time ask your CSM contacts who are the right persons to talk to in the nullsec powers, ask them for support. Some may ignore the call, some may react in a completely adverse way, but I am sure there will be nullsec players and forces happy to assisst you - just to annoy other nullsec forces, if not for anything else. |
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
72
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:16:00 -
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Isengrimus wrote:Just FYI, there was more than "ONE EVIL FLEET OF NULLSEC MAD SLAUGHETERERS HARVESTING HISECCER KILLMAILS" (tm), perhaps the initial onslaught was done primarily by Razor alliance, but later on a full-scaled battle between nullsec powers broke out at the gate, and resulted in destruction of 3 capital ships and loads of battleships, not to mention the smaller vessels.
If the event was better coordinated, it could have been a great experience for the new players, giving them indeed a taste of pros and cons of the nullsec warfare (yes, TiDi, lag and 300+ enemy blobs are our common life, but so are sweet, sweet killmails, seeing capital ships melt under your fire and so on). So I can imagine people's frustration at CCP and it in fact makes me frustrated too, because instead of providing fresh and eager blood to our nullsec it caused many people to turn their backs on the null and come back to their silent loathing of the "EBUL ZERO ZERO EMPIRES" while mining veldspar.
So if I may suggest something - CCP, next time ask your CSM contacts who are the right persons to talk to in the nullsec powers, ask them for support. Some may ignore the call, some may react in a completely adverse way, but I am sure there will be nullsec players and forces happy to assisst you - just to annoy other nullsec forces, if not for anything else.
Good post.
Unfortunately many of CSM are ignorant (look up Malcanis posts) and can't apprehend more than one point of view. Ripard seems to understand the issue though.
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Evemir Hemdaill
Falco Special Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:19:00 -
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We did not expect to win with goons but we expected to have lots of fun. There should be fleets organized by CCP at each side. They should led players to battle, and they shoud fight with eachothers in titans or dreds to make it epic empires vs pirates battle. To not disrupt outcome of the event they could even all die in battle at the beginning, but the attack would be coordinated and epic. But this was a one sided massacre. Our fleet of 250 pilots didn't get there in time, but we still got there, fought and lost. So, great empire concord battle vs pirates with bows vs nukes. Pathetic. |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
183
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:23:00 -
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By the number of pages I see we have a lot of wow wannabe themeparkers around here, coincidentally high sec dwellers.
1- All previous events were done in heavy TIDI, why were you expecting something different now is beyond me. Yes moving 20 jumps in TIDI is bad, but without distributing the people through many systems, the event in no way could've handled more than 2000 people.
2- And for all the people sperging about titans, have you ever seen what 2000 people bumping a titan would do? and using a titan is actually a foreign concept for most high sec dwellers.
3- As for leadership, CCP never said they were commanding the fleets, it is actually impossible. They just set up a fleet for the remnants of the EVE players that are too anti social that they couldn't find a spot in one of the numerous fleets that were going up, fleets with some leadership and most importantly comms. Yea and I have yet to see a player ever use eve voice, so please drop this ****** argument.
4- CCP jobs has always been, not to actually provide content, but to provide the "tools" to actually create that content, which they did very adequately. There was a lot of fights to be had and if you failed to capitalize on that is on you.
5- The more organized group should always win, especially in a sandbox. Coming and complaining about you doing years of level 4 missions was useless against a group you heavily outnumbered comes off as very whiny and really is only a behavior reserved for farmville players. All that experience must count for something right? Yes CCP created the event but it wasn't their responsibility to make you win or have fun, that was on you.
6- It was very clear from the beginning that this was a pirate oriented event, seriously you didn't think that it was going to be staged in null? If you can't afford to lose it (even your ****** pod) don't undock.
This event was clearly in line with what EVE is about, a cold harsh player driven (not CCP driven) universe. The real game is in dangerous space and not in high security space. The high sec player should be and are irrelevant in the shaping of the universe. You want to do your level 4 missions all day, fine go ahead, but don't come whining when you realize you are actually the lowest denominator in EVE.
Thank you CCP and the devs especially for taking the time to making this, and showing a group of players a facet of EVE they didn't know existed, and hopefully you can create more events like this in the future. |
Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
205
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:35:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:Irrelevant clap trap
Oh you silly self entitled fool. I bet you hate anyone playing the game in any other way than the way you play it.
Tell me, will the next AT event be held in space that anyone can **** on the proceedings? How does the AT "theme park" event fit into your view of what CCP does/doesn't provide?
I don't do Live Events, but I can fully appreciate the disappointment expressed by those that did take part. |
Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
35
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:37:00 -
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I kind of have to agree with some of the raging in the thread (trying to look at this from both sides)...
From a null sec PvP perspective this was like one of the pi+¦atas that just keeps giving. We were out on an op and got titan bridged back when it was confirmed by intel that the event route went though our staging, we had about 10 minutes to change ships and set up the camp.
When folks just started to jump in and get blatted we laughed a bit.... then they kept jumping in so we laughed some more... then expensive stuff started jumping in and we giggled like 5yr olds just handed a large bag of sweets!
But not even changing the route would have fixed anything because the event location was next door (Utopia? and was advertised!) so we would have been in there anyway.
Given that part of Eve is where 90% of the PvP is going on it was a bad choice for the event, badly planned and executed. If they wanted HS players to experience some PvP null sec style they should have got more people involved in the planning, better FC's for the HS team and just managed the whole damn thing better.
Anyhoo.... I had a blast blowing stuff up and even more of a laugh looking at some of the fittings! :D |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
184
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:45:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Irrelevant clap trap Oh you silly self entitled fool. I bet you hate anyone playing the game in any other way than the way you play it. Tell me, will the next AT event be held in space that anyone can **** on the proceedings? How does the AT "theme park" event fit into your view of what CCP does/doesn't provide? I don't do Live Events, but I can fully appreciate the disappointment expressed by those that did take part.
Yes because the AT is a live event right? It is an event held outside of tranquility.
Anyways yes I am the "entitled" one, asking CCP to provide content for me =).
I am happy that your provided counter arguments for my arguments. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:50:00 -
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It seems to me this event was very poorly organized. Ganked puts high sec dwellers into 0.0 every weekend and it's great fun for all parties involved. CCP helped enable the flight of a 1000 rifters. There are a lot of people would jump to help CCP organize a massive RP-ish fight by providing scouts, fc's, voice, prizes and advice. But I agree with Jester, saying that CCP dropped the ball and dropped it badly. |
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:50:00 -
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If it's a troll, I give it 8/10.
Joan Greywind wrote:1- All previous events were done in heavy TIDI, why were you expecting something different now is beyond me. Yes moving 20 jumps in TIDI is bad, but without distributing the people through many systems, the event in no way could've handled more than 2000 people.
Having an event in TIDI is expected. Moving 20 jumps in hisec in heavy tidi without a clue if you're going the right way is neither expected nor fun.
Quote:3- As for leadership, CCP never said they were commanding the fleets, it is actually impossible. They just set up a fleet for the remnants of the EVE players that are too anti social that they couldn't find a spot in one of the numerous fleets that were going up, fleets with some leadership and most importantly comms.
Leading the fleets isn't necessary. Telling the fleets what to do would've been nice tho. We relied on half-assed troll attempts and tweets from different source to figure out where to go.
Quote:4- CCP jobs has always been, not to actually provide content, but to provide the "tools" to actually create that content, which they did very adequately. There was a lot of fights to be had and if you failed to capitalize on that is on you. They have provided the tools 10 years ago and they keep doing it. I still have a very high esteem for CCP for making a great game and the only one I played for more than six straight months, despite it not being free.
But if you claim there's an EVENT I expect something DIFFERENT than the usual. I can grab a blob and go be killed in null or losec anytime. I didn't ask CCP to organize an event, but was happy when they did, and would've loved to participate. As it is, I participated in a blob gank, big deal. Not the first ship I lose in a camp and not the last for sure, and I'm not complaining about that. I would've liked to SEE the actual event though.
[qipte]6- It was very clear from the beginning that this was a pirate oriented event, seriously you didn't think that it was going to be staged in null? If you can't afford to lose it (even your ****** pod) don't undock.[/quote]
It was supposed to be staged in Meves and Sarum Prime. Not sure about Sarum, but from meves we moved randomly to stacmon under info coming from *TWEETS*. There was no staging point - 2000 random people joining for an event are not going to mount an organized force, unless there's some direction. From there we jumped into low, under the assumption that the blob in 8V-SJJ was the place to be. We didn't KNOW. We didn't have scouts or logi, as it was a PUG. I don't care about the lost ship (I expected to lose it), but as mentioned I would've liked to understand what the event was all about. As it is I saw a 30+ fleet of T3 in some backwater losec system, and I've got news that the event was in 8V-SJJ, but not sure about it - and this costed me two hours of crawling thruogh hisec space. I'm not sure about you, but for me traveling in hisec space is about as much fun as a canal therapy.
Quote:This event was clearly in line with what EVE is about, a cold harsh player driven (not CCP driven) universe. The real game is in dangerous space and not in high security space. The high sec players should be and are irrelevant in the shaping of the universe. You want to do your level 4 missions all day, fine go ahead, but don't come whining when you realize you are actually the lowest denominator in EVE.
So the whole point of the event was giving fresh targets to the nullsec players? You've got a very limited view. No company in their sane mind would knowingly screw part of their playerbase (67% is hisec dwellers) with the sole purpose of providing entertainment for the rest of the playerbase (20% of nullsec dwellers). The event was probably supposed to be a medium to give some more players the very much needed pvp experience. PVP in Eve is adrenalinic and scary - you actually lose stuff, not like every other MMO. People need to figure out how fun it is, before they actually put their hard earned isk on the line.
Quote:Thank you CCP and the devs especially for taking the time to making this, and showing a group of players a facet of EVE they didn't know existed, and hopefully you can create more events like this in the future.
Yeah. And the next time, make sure you know what you're going to do, and we know it too.
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Jendrick Vayle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:51:00 -
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people keep on saying to participants "what did you expect?". Just because the event lead into Nullsec and people died there doesn't mean that the sentiment is automatically directed at pvp'rs for killing them. That's been stated over and over again in the thread and people ignore it and continue with "welcome to pvp". Players have been leaving lists of reasons they thought the event was BS that don't involve dying at the hands of pvp'rs for 20 pages. People need to Stop posturing like the participants are butthurt over getting podded.
Participants are angry because it was a bad event, simple as that. having everyone gather in sarum prime and then telling them to go 25 jumps was a bad idea. Not telling them that the final objective was in Curse until we were almost at ihal was a bad idea (most people are acting like that was known from the get go. It wasn't. I wouldn't have even gone if I knew the event was going to land me in Nullsec with a hodgepodge, pick-up fleet.). Starting the actual event that quickly (considering we were all in TiDi) was a bad idea. And ending it before the people who actually took the time to wait for their whole fleet and move into Null arrived, was a bad idea. Trying to avoid the pvp'rs and the little bit of fighting we DID do was the only interesting thing that actually happened in this event.
I would have made it to the event area, but by the time our fleet of 150 strangers actually formed at the gate into Null and pushed through the camp, the mission was over. Which would make me think, "wtf? an hour of TiDi. half hour of waiting for people to simply arrive and it's over before I can even get 2 jumps past mifrata?" I didn't even lose my ship, it was just a waste of time.
Just because people are upset at an event that ended up in Nullsec doesn't mean that the entire thread is all of a sudden directed at pvp. Pvp'rs need to realize that it was a bad event and people are relaying that. It isn't all about you. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
828
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:52:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:3- As for leadership, CCP never said they were commanding the fleets
6- It was very clear from the beginning that this was a pirate oriented event, seriously you didn't think that it was going to be staged in null? If you can't afford to lose it (even your ****** pod) don't undock.
Just quoted the parts that matter from the rest of the post:
CCP did actually say that they would be forming Fleets in the systems at 1850hrs so get your facts straight before you try "Knowledge Beat" everyone else.
Nothing was very clear from before the event, during or after. People arrived fitted for PvE expecting some kind of massive "Incursion" style event and others just grabbed anything to hand. In fact you'll see people in the LE Forum asking if the event was over at around 2300hrs...and yes it was and had been for some time.
Information control was in place ot stop the Null Blocks from tramping all over it and while I understand that telling Capsuleers to go here under 10% TiDi and then go back 8 jumps and then to Null and then to here isn't organisation...it's chaos without rhyme or reason.
I came to be part of something big, to fight for my universe to participate in a "unique situation. We do not foresee having to repeat this call to action". Most pilots just ended in TiDi hell trying to get from some point in space someone had posted from some other channel or Twitter to the various channels that were supposed to be being used to co-ordinate an all Emperical Navy forces and capsuleer strike force.
Everyone I flew with was in something they could afford to lose and had JC'd into blank clones as most people know this. Don't come across as being 1337 and crap-posting just to feel superior.
The forum rage is about the lack of information on the event and during the event (if we can even still call it that). It's mostly not about the losses but about the information, formation and how that information was delivered etc. Twitter is not the best way since this was an In-Game Live Event being driven (or so we thought) by CCP\CCP in the role of In-Game Actors.
A lot of people put a lot of time (RL time) into this and that is was simply a clusterfuck of universal proportions. These kind of "events" are generated every single day in eve from pilots just getting together. We don't need CCP to gear that kind of content, we do that already. This was touted as being something of epic proportions and all it was was an example of a lot of people being messed about. |
Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:02:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:It seems to me this event was very poorly organized. Ganked puts high sec dwellers into 0.0 every weekend and it's great fun for all parties involved. CCP helped enable the flight of a 1000 rifters. There are a lot of people would jump to help CCP organize a massive RP-ish fight by providing scouts, fc's, voice, prizes and advice. But I agree with Jester, saying that CCP dropped the ball and dropped it badly.
I agree. Joining RvB Ganked is almost always fun.
I expected PvP. I expected to die horribly (I had a clean clone). But, I also expected to have some fun. To experience something unique or special. Not jumping 23 jumps with TD10 to end up in a dead end in lowsec. Without knowing why.
Disillusioned I turned off the security system and attacked a couple of random people at a station. Lowered security status. Hoping to get podded to get a ride home, and an end to the boredom. But it required a self destruct.
I could have had more fun by myself. Running "Buzz Kill" three times in a row would have been much more agreeable, even if it is like watching paint dry. Or just jump into a FW system an point a gun at someone. |
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:02:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Most pilots just ended in TiDi hell trying to get from some point in space someone had posted from some other channel or Twitter to the various channels that were supposed to be being used to co-ordinate an all Emperical Navy forces and capsuleer strike force.
Everyone I flew with was in something they could afford to lose and had JC'd into blank clones as most people know this. Don't come across as being 1337 and crap-posting just to feel superior.
The forum rage is about the lack of information on the event and during the event (if we can even still call it that). It's mostly not about the losses but about the information, formation and how that information was delivered etc.
These kind of "events" are generated every single day in eve from pilots just getting together. We don't need CCP to gear that kind of content, we do that already. This was touted as being something of epic proportions and all it was was an example of a lot of people being messed about.
This. +1
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Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
19
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:05:00 -
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OK from my perspective - this was a terrible event from CCP
I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here.
My main issues are:
- Before the event, there was no communication from CCP - no in-game channel that everyone could join to get *any* information
- The staging system of FD - A well known goon camped system, with them getting at least a days notice that massive fleets of people would be coming though
- Sitting around for ages waiting, with local being spammed worse than Jita - then the 'NPC' turning up and trying to see their message in local amongst the goon and BNI spam - no one had any idea what was going on.
- Telling everyone to pile into a location, in null sec, with tonnes of dictors/hictors - basically meaning that it turned into a TiDi nightmare with no one having any idea what was going on
- Being shot at by the very Vindicators we were supposed to be protecting
As I say I fully expected to die at this event - but the planning and execution was terrible on CCPs part |
ArchenTheGreat
BRAB0 The Volition Cult
17
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:11:00 -
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I really do not understand what was the point of the event. Was it for PVPers or for carebears? For releplayers? For new players or vets?
I joined one of the CCP events few years ago. We traveled few jumps reading some event chat in local hinting some opposition from empire (it was Guristas event). Finally we left hisec and event ended in lowsec. CCP left gang leaving FC position empty so we took the lead, warped everyone to planet to avoid guns and slaughtered all hi sec carebears in their faction fit Ravens. It was fun to us, not so much for them. No tidi and fleet was like 100-150 people so mostly no lag.
Yesterday we formed alliance fleet in Sarum Prime only to get info through Twitter (sic!) that we should move 23 jumps in tidi to another staging point. We chose lowsec route (still 16 jumps) to avoid congestion with hisec players. Unfortunately none thought about reinforcing systems on route so we had 10% tidi all the way.
When we arrived at losec border we got intel about large camp on the other side of gate. Large bubbles, sniping fleet at position, usual nullsec stuff. I jumped into such fight many times before but in properly organized and fit fleet. Our fleet was organized but as a fun event it was more or less random "kitchen sink" fleet.
Our FC smartly decided that we should have some fun despite CCP efforts to ruin the evening and we got some nice fights at station and gates in lowsec.
So what's the problem you ask? I had my fun after all.
Problem is I don't need to wait for CCP to get in fleet if I am alliance player. I do it almost every day. And when I do I know the purpose of it and I have some control over it. I think from the alliance player point of few this event was complete waste of time. Except maybe for people looting fields in Doril.
From carebear point of view it's even worse. They did not see capital ships, they didn't have even slight chance to shoot anything, they died from alpha in a bubble after travelling for hours in slowmo.
Few good advices for CCP: - make events more often so few people will attend them - make several events at the same time to split people around EVE - if you make event for carebears stay in hisec - if you want carebears to shoot something bring CCP ships, titans and capitals in hisec are nice targets to shoot - if you make events for nullsec players... don't. Every nullsec event will end in massive clusterfuck with bubbled gates and fleets in position long before you jump into the system. We have it without your help.
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Abraham Nalelmir
V I R I I Ineluctable.
14
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:12:00 -
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Not sure if I can understand how the nullsec people understand what the people of highsec understand about what CCP understand the idea about this event... |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
86
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:13:00 -
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Yall did go there like sheeps. Stupidly thinking will lead the flood of sheeps like their Sheperd. Oooops, red cro...wtf? Red skulls? Pop pop pop pop *** Seriously now. What did you guys think? Harry Forever killed the Goons, unified Hisec, and now walks on water direction CCP even to gathering wonderfull goodies fron NPC wrecks, in some nullblock backyard, wich block btw did run crying when they saw the glory or the Hisec Publord Swarm arising trough the gate into Doril? *** CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
69
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:13:00 -
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Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up.
I love how Brave Collective's in here feeling cool.
guess even tiny successes feel great if they're the only ones.
how people can come "uuuh, the tears" when there was a obvious ****-up is beyond me.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
69
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:15:00 -
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Nuker Zero wrote:Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up. We are Grrrrr, we Are bigg!!!! We kill bunch of carebears look! Oh wait... You haven't done anything new... again... CCP did it for you... So... 0/10 I mean how hard can it be to click f1 when there is no real challenge... In your home turf... I luagh at your leet skillz And I laugh at your killboard.
I once read that the Brave Collective is a place where newbs can learn EVE.
based on this, I'd guess that must be another entity. |
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Witch Bernkastel
Six Flags over Jita
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:19:00 -
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Jendrick Vayle wrote:Not telling them that the final objective was in Curse until we were almost at ihal was a bad idea If the exact point of destination was announced in Sarum Prime, a fortiori in the dev blog, the amount of pilots in Doril would crash the node.
Jendrick Vayle wrote:most people are acting like that was known from the get go. It wasn't. It was. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empire-navies-put-out-call-for-capsuleer-assistance/ We ask that any capsuleer who wishes to protect civilized space gather up at our two rally points in Sarum Prime and Meves on November 7 for departure at 18:50. Some believe it is a new assault on SanshaGÇÖs Nation while others have claimed it has something to do with the unusual explosion detected several days ago http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/mysterious-explosion-detected-in-syndicate/ An explosion emanated from the YFN-UN constellation in Syndicate http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empire-navies-expand-call-to-action-against-enemy-forces/ We fear we will have to deal with considerably greater opposition than originally expected
You were told that you're going to null sec. You were told that you're going to die there, because CCP employees suck in pvp and die miserably every time. Yet you decided that given the fact it was announced officially, a miracle will happen and you will be teleportated right to the destination and bad guys will not come for you so you can shoot helpless structures cheerfully. CCP didn't make that miracle happen and everything went how it should be any other day. What a bad guy CCP! |
Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
21
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:20:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we.
I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:22:00 -
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Well
Economy wont get bigger without consuming resources.. And who will buy new shiny PVE ships If you dont loose them like this..
Hell, your losses will help New Eden economy to get bigger.
Support the Empires even after your death |
Abraham Nalelmir
V I R I I Ineluctable.
14
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:22:00 -
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I just want to understand something:
What does "you know this even is not for highsec noobs only?" with the fact that there was only 1 side who was shooting with no single resistance from the other side?
Nullsec "noobs" who fought in that "glorious" gate fight were sinking in their own happiness tears because they "won" on the "noobs carebears who came from highsec thinking that event is for them only!!!"...
NO YOU ARE WRONG, because everyone was expecting to die, but not in this fuckup on the gate, it is like the thing when you fit an insta-lock nado and sit killing every noobship in a starter system and say: "WOW LOOK AT MY KILL BOARD!".
And yeah, don't tell me welcome to null or pvp... I know both. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1823
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:23:00 -
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So, here is my problem with the event.
Even before the logistical and mechanical issues arose, even before the TiDi and the funneling of a couple of thousand idiot PvE pilots who decided this would be a PvE event and fit accordingly into the meatgrinder that is Doril, the empires got an in character thread giving them a lore consistant motivation to go get involved.
No such attempt was even made for the pirates. A general call was made that just said "Hey, you want to shoot at CONCORD, pirates? Go here!"
But here is the thing: The pirate factions in this game are not a bloc. They don't work together much, and some of them hate each other more than they hate CONCORD. I had to piece together through knowing the staging systems they announced that this was going to be an Angel/Serpentis event, and that I therefore had no reason to get involved, either IC or OOC.
There was never any explanation given as to why I should go there, other than to shoot the, and I quote, 'good guys of new eden'.
But there are no good guys in new eden. The empires certainly don't count. Not individually or collectively. The Angels and Serpentis aren't. The Sansha aren't. The Guristas and Blood Raiders aren't. The EoM aren't. It's certainly not the Sisters of EVE or the Jovians.
This is not a game that deals with good and evil. It is a game that deals with strength and power. From a lore perspective, if there is ANYONE who comes out of this defending CONCORD as an entity, I'm going to feel free to laugh in their faces.
And that means that one of the crutches for getting hi-sec to participate meaningfully in these events in the future has been snapped, too. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:28:00 -
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Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we. I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day. |
Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:32:00 -
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You went into nullsec.
"Sec" stands for "security."
"Null" stands for "zero."
Live event or no, you went into a region that literally had no security.
It's nullsec, gentlemen. The gods will not save you. |
Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:33:00 -
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Abraham Nalelmir wrote:
And yeah, don't tell me welcome to null or pvp... I know both.
Welcome to null.
Welcome to PVP. |
Carnip
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:34:00 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we. I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day.
Who is this kid from ******* SMA (lol) with terrible killboard record? Why are you acting so tough now? |
OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:36:00 -
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Carnip wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we. I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day. Who is this kid from ******* SMA (lol) with terrible killboard record? Why are you acting so tough now? Oh you baddie...
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