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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 -
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Klister Ethelred wrote:I haven't been mad at CCP yet...not a bittervet. I think the devs here do a pretty good job compared to some other MMOs I might name.
But this event...ugh.
What a complete waste of time. The bulk of the fleet never even made it to the site because of dozens of jumps at 10% tidi. The CCP rep left the second staging area while all the battleships were still 40 minutes of 10% tidi away.
Why do that? I cannot fathom what made you think that was a good idea. Why hold the event 20+ jumps away from the staging site? Do you hate us? Do you want to frustrate us by holding an event in such a way that most of the people who show up won't be able to participate?
To be fair here, you KNEW that live events create severe TiDi...hell just sitting in Jita can. Yet you choose to fly a battleship that is less maneuverable, slow, and likely will die fast in bubbles. You can't really blame CCP for choosing the wrong ship here. |
Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 -
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Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?"
...What the hell?
Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time. |
Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 -
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CaptSummers wrote:Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up Aerieth wrote:Michael Turate wrote:Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.
Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself. No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story?
FIGHT being the key word ... you don't get to fight. You have to spend hours of your life flying through 10% TiDi in HIGH SEC! |
Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:22:00 -
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And don't you all forget there is another TIDI grind on SISI this weekend!!! Go and help!!! |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:23:00 -
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Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?" ...What the hell? Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time.
The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.
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Xuse Senna
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
754
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:24:00 -
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Oh btw
I got over 50 kills, And I ain't no Nullsec Power bloc |
Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:25:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?" ...What the hell? Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time. The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.
So..... how often have you travel with TIDI lag and client to server lag over geoscape? 5 sec here and there... goes to a few minutes in the end.
The 1st wave to hit the gate did not get tidi, the 2nd did and then cascade!!!! |
Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:25:00 -
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Octoven wrote:[quote=Aerieth]Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
Yes TiDi is a feature used to allow massive fleet fights. Fleet fights are fun, massive fleet fights are also fun even when slow. Travelling through High sec is not fun, traveling through High sec for hours in TiDi is even more not fun. The post from CCP said "inviting all capsuleers to join them in this assault and bring down what they claim is a threat to the entire cluster" not "Hey all come have fun flying REALLY slowly through space for hours for NO REASON!"
I said the issue isn't with TiDi and it isn't.
The issue is with hours of TiDi travel through highsec. |
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
27
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:26:00 -
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Ok, so let me get it straight -
All the people who came to the event hoping to participate in something interesting, maybe a bit different than their daily activities, get some fights that may be actually related to the game's lore for a change. Then traveled 20 systems in 10% TiDi only to miss the actual point of the event, didn't enjoy it.
All the people who were already around, didn't have to do anything more than press F1 or assign drones, did enjoy the event.
Now the second group honestly believes that if they repeat enough times "grow up" and "learn to play" to the first group, they can actually convince them that they DID really enjoy the event despite what they say or at least they WILL enjoy next time they need to spend 2 hours for nothing staring at space at a slow motion.
Did I miss anything?
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Zuki Stargazer
Harrington Logistics and Combat Support
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:26:00 -
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Whatever it was: It was not fun. And I do not mean the TiDi and the 23 jumps or the lawnmowing in Doril.... I mean the inability of a heck lot of people - including me - to participate in this. After TiDi and 23 jumps. I started from Sarum Prime on the first announcement - which was well before the announced starting time and when I arrived at the second point, first waves of (smaller and faster ships) were already resting in pieces and word was spread about the camp. No more CCP around. And not as in: "I need Pampers, where's CCP" but as in "Wait for further instruction when you arrive." The little I know about large fleet actions is that you do not start sh*t unless people call you "boss".
I have no idea what would have been the final outcome of a massive battleship-fleet jumping into that situation, not enough experience in the matter here, but I would have died happily trying. I could have told folks in the office tomorrow about my shiny expensive ship being blown to crap in the middle of the finest fireworks seen in months. And: I am used to losing ships. To stupidity, lack of skill, rule / game mechanics knowledge and if this wouldn't be fun (in a way), I'd have stopped playing a long, long time ago.
But today I didn't lose a ship.
I just lost an evening. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:28:00 -
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Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Octoven wrote:Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?" ...What the hell? Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time. The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc. So..... how often have you travel with TIDI lag and client to server lag over geoscape? 5 sec here and there... goes to a few minutes in the end. The 1st wave to hit the gate did not get tidi, the 2nd did and then cascade!!!!
All I know is i actually did show up on time, I sat next to the FC, I flew a decently fast ship, and I moved on his order as he gave them. The most amazing thing happened. I arrived at the facility as the FC did. |
Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:28:00 -
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scimichar wrote:Octoven wrote:
Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead.
A Live Event is not hours of TiDi TRAVEL! I said TRAVEL! You can't just cut out half my sentence and then question my quote. TiDi in fights is an amazing feature. 20 jumps of TiDi is ********. I'm not saying you should turn TiDi off. I'm saying this isn't the first massive event and CCP should have been aware telling people to gather 20 jumps from where they would eventually need to be would be a major issue! |
Lord Valian
The Forgotten Navy Gentlemen's Agreement
48
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:30:00 -
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Thank you for joining the party.
http://i.imgur.com/2hyrGtj.png |
Civ Kado
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:32:00 -
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I would like to apologize on behalve of BNI and Brave Collective for the CEO and the other idiotic members who are using this opportunity to troll as if people are complaining about the PvP and not the lack of organization that occured in the event. |
s4ngu Daphiti
hirr RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:33:00 -
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The PitBoss wrote:
10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime)
10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal)
Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention
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There is allways TiDi if hundrets of players all jump into the same system...
CCP, thank you very much for this event. It was my first and i liked it :)
Good job guys :) |
Constantin Baracca
197
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:33:00 -
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I'm glad CCP doesn't care at all about my timezone. This mess started when I was working and was already called off and over by the time I got ready to leave.
And it looks like I missed CCP screwing the people whose timezone they do care about. Lovely. |
Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:34:00 -
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I think its funny how you low/null sec corps are gloating. Had CCP waited for the 2,000 pilots on the way to join the OP, you wouldnt have stud a chance, but the nodes couldnt handle the amount of pilots (which CCP knew would be high). I still don't know why they would put a staging location 23 jumps away with the amount of tidi there was. To me thats just madness. We all fully intended to lose our ships, just not this way. The game was so slow it was unplayable. CCP had pilots asking them to wait and they just ignored them as half of peoples fleets were missing.
Why didn't they just call the event ''High sec vs Low/Null sec''? At least people would had know what they were getting themselves in to.
All this turned out to be was really bad communication from CCP and they have damaged their game because of it .
You guys in null/low, the game wouldnt run without the people in high sec yet you slag them off!
I do think the EVE community is the most resiliant community of all. You seem to take so much crap from CCP, then shake their hands after.
All that this has shown is their lack of respect for their community, They haven't even appoligized. I think the community in this game is the best out of any MMO I have played. dont shake CCPs hand for something they got wrong. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:35:00 -
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Aerieth wrote:scimichar wrote:Octoven wrote:
Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead. A Live Event is not hours of TiDi TRAVEL! I said TRAVEL! You can't just cut out half my sentence and then question my quote. TiDi in fights is an amazing feature. 20 jumps of TiDi is ********. I'm not saying you should turn TiDi off. I'm saying this isn't the first massive event and CCP should have been aware telling people to gather 20 jumps from where they would eventually need to be would be a major issue!
See normally I would buy that, BUT you were sort of given an idea of the destination. MD or Utopia. Utopia is closer to Sarum Prime, even though the final destination was changed it was only 2 jumps from original. You could easily have anticipated this and began to move in that direction. I went from Sarum Prime to Ihal like everyone else and took the 23 safe jumps...I only experienced 10% TiDi in 3 systems enroute.
The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1161
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:35:00 -
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This is happening in incursion community after it lost ~200 cheap ships. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
208
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:36:00 -
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I arrived in RMOC with my alt at 19:20 UTC, nothing was there, it was a lie by CCP. I think i'll ignore future "events" as they seems to be FAKE.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:38:00 -
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Spc One wrote:I arrived in RMOC with my alt at 19:20 UTC, nothing was there, it was a lie by CCP. I think i'll ignore future "events" as they seems to be FAKE.
Excellent, this should help reduce TiDi in future events as well |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
8
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:39:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/n8dNIkJ.gif
all i can say about this event |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
378
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:43:00 -
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all i can say is:
to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.
yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.
Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.
most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can be ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions. |
Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:46:00 -
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Octoven wrote: The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it.
Right it's our fault for listening to CCP and going to the staging system? Next time your FC says "ok we are heading to XYZ-123 so stage up at ABC-456" and you just fly straight to XYZ-123 and let me know how it goes?
Also it's even worse if CCP seriously expected us to TRICKLE into Null Sec. We got our butts handed to us when we mobbed towards the destination (not an issue, just a statement) but could you imagine the limitless massacre as we all lined up in an orderly fashion towards the gate camps? |
1991 Dragon
The Romantics
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
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Was looking forward to this event, glad IRL events prevented me from showing up now lol. I had no idea what to expect I was going to use my prized CNR. (I'm a fairly new noob, only 10m SP)
Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day? |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:48:00 -
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after years and years Pitboss decided that since it's a CCP event it will be finally safe for him to go into null sec
he steps in meekly, holding big CCPs hand
let's go look at the first post in this thread and see how his first real EVE experience went |
Constantin Baracca
197
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:50:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:all i can say is:
to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.
yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.
Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.
most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions.
I think the problem is that most people didn't know what was going on, where they were going or what they were doing until they got there. There are several things CCP could have done to make this work, not the least of which would be to create a separate, instanced area that was "jumped" into, or having Imperial ships clear out the gate camps, or any number of ways other games have demonstrated excellent event handling. Probably the worst thing would be to ask hisec players to jump on after work, tell them at the last minute that they were going to nullsec, and then **** off.
That doesn't make those hisec players who showed up not knowing what to expect hate their empires or CONCORD, it makes them angry at CCP. If they'd wanted to make players angry at their empires or CONCORD, they should have gotten them to the event target area, then betrayed them once they got there. From what I'm reading, this whole thing was an administrative screw-up on CCP's end.
Unless they just didn't want anyone participating in events anymore. I can already tell that the reduction in turnout for the next event will be significant. |
Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:all i can say is:
to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.
Complaining about this IS tears ... so enjoy!
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.
Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.
That would be awesome ... if CCP was there with us as CONCORD leading us into the fray and dying alongside us. CCP showed up for 2 minutes and said "Go here" and then no sign of ANYONE. This doesn't make us mad at "CONCORD" for sending us to our death at the hands of Null Sec power blocs this makes us mad at CCP for screwing up the event.
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions, its all the same to us!
Again I have no issue with the power blocs taking the opportunity to do some carebear killing. Congratulations to them. I know if I was in their shoes I would have done the same. |
Bobmich Crobnich
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 -
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This was my first major fleet action - even within EVE Uni as I'd been training skills until I realized I could do something semi-useful. I knew that my ship was gonna be a throwaway, and after doing mostly PvE stuff I knew that I was going to get podded and prepared as such. Fact was, even though it was a turkey shoot and I got blapped in the end, I did have a laugh when it got to the 'fish in a barrel' point and everything onscreen was lazors, smartbombs and the sound of death. I even managed to get a lot of shots off and did work as EWAR before my Maller bit the dust, despite staying at 10% structure for a good 20 mins. Nullsec was fun!
Main point though, is that this wasn't meant to be about nullsec, it was about a storyline event that apparently was over before my fleet even got on station (I was in the Meves fleet). Our livestreamer/scout told us things were cleaned up and the station was looted whilst we were still a good 4 jumps away, before the Goons snuffed him out. The organization, especially getting the involved parties on station was very poor, I've barely started in this game, and I do intend to attend more live events, maybe even cover them, but this was a fail when it came to what the whole thing was about in the first place, and more a case of 'We have 200 people and insurance policies, might as well make use of them!' |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
454
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:52:00 -
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1991 Dragon wrote:Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day? You didn't miss anything... It was a null-sec pinata fest. |
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