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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
153
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:01:00 -
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Subject says it all.
10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime)
10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal)
No real communication for gm/event host
Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event
ONLY to include those people in the end.
I want that hour of my life refunded to me 
Good Job CCP ...
NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Spartan Shipyards THE H0NEYBADGER
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:09:00 -
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This was bad, really bad. Not well thought out, not well executed, and basically just shoveling people into null killzones...
For PvP; Hilarious.
For Event; Dafuq? |

Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:11:00 -
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First event, last event
**** this **** |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
1153
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
[4] - Quote
Not so bad for Razor killboard. |

Andy Tan
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
[5] - Quote
How to event:
Step 1: Force people to travel for shitload of time
Step 2: Get them in null
Step 3: Get them all podded and laugh
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit! |

DTson Gauur
Underground-Operators Illuminantur Dominium Sicarioum
29
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
[6] - Quote
Should have not bothered, great way to ruin the event for a lot of people... |

Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
964
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
[7] - Quote
I fully endorse and agree with the OP.
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Johann Rascali
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
51
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
[8] - Quote
Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:Not well thought out, not well executed, and basically just shoveling people into null killzones... You overlook the idea that that may have been the intended design to begin with.
Johann Rascali wrote:- Capsuleers fail to reach target
- "First" Ghost site proceeds unhindered
- Empires provide no support
- Capsuleers "get angry at the Empires"
- Capsuleers want to split from the empires even more (Rubicon)
100% op success
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Caisersoze
Sons of Fett The Black Planets
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:19:00 -
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thanks CCP for being even bigger faggots by making something most of the players couldnt even enjoy next time at least do a LS one or clear the ******* bubbles agian thanks CCP for being a bunch of **** idea fags that shouldnt run live events |

Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
64
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:19:00 -
[10] - Quote
Johann Rascali wrote:Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:Not well thought out, not well executed, and basically just shoveling people into null killzones... You overlook the idea that that may have been the intended design to begin with. Johann Rascali wrote:- Capsuleers fail to reach target
- "First" Ghost site proceeds unhindered
- Empires provide no support
- Capsuleers "get angry at the Empires"
- Capsuleers want to split from the empires even more (Rubicon)
100% op success
Riiiiight.. except 4. Capsuleers get mad at CCP.
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Johann Rascali
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:20:00 -
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Jack Mayhem wrote:Riiiiight.. except 4. Capsuleers get mad at CCP.
We're always mad at CCP anyway. |

Horatio Nately
808 Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:21:00 -
[12] - Quote
this event was complete **** although I shouldn't be surprised since ccp hasn't been able to run competent events since they let go all of their live event staff.
Quote:We ask that any capsuleer who wishes to protect civilized space gather up at our two rally points in Sarum Prime and Meves on November 7 for departure at 18:50.GÇ¥
I stage in Meves and then proceed to get told to go to stacmon which is about 6 jumps away in 10% tidi. what the **** were you thinking? If you want us to ******* go through stacmon have us meet up in ******* stacmon. We lost half our participation to frustration with tidi and from there the event actors left everyone to their own devices because they had no real comprehensive way to communicate with the players other than in local and praying that we'd spread the word. What the **** CCP? make ******* separate event channels at the very least. |

Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:23:00 -
[13] - Quote
How many members of CCP are Razor alts? Hmm?  |

Asuna Endorine
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:24:00 -
[14] - Quote
WTF is with this event? biggest damn mess i have ever seen, hardly anything from ccp it-¦s like they did not even bother to manage this at all
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
395
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:25:00 -
[15] - Quote
You've already wasted 10 years, whats 2 hours more? |

Viaharo Musa
United Evian Peace Corp Veterans United Evian Peace Nation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:26:00 -
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CCP..... I really like the idea of the event......
But it turned in to a massive trap / gate camp that is typical in null. Totaly pointless. Great for Razer alliance Though :-D Never made it in to the event endpoint and was TOTAL chaos the entire time.
Horible TiDI.
If i knew that the event was a bunch of ships blindly flying to their death (Did get 1 kill though lol!) I would have skipped entirely. waste of isk, waste of time.
Would have been smart to clear the bubbles on the route to allow people to actually participate. Let me tell you, would have loved to participate as something other than total cannon fodder due to TiDI and lack of event planning.
Next time think it out ccp :-)
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Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:26:00 -
[17] - Quote
I reactivated my account for this ... WOW! |

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
161
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:27:00 -
[18] - Quote
Atsuko Yamamoto wrote: ... basically just shoveling people into null killzones...
For PvP; Hilarious. Doril: - 169 pods killed in the last hour - 330 ships killed in the last hour
I'm going out on a limb but am guessing the second group from meves is
8v-sjj: - 246 pods killed in the last hour - 444 ships killed in the last hour
GREAT EVENT if you're lucky enough to be in a 0.0 power block  |

Dianila Artemisa
Kigurosaka Corporation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:29:00 -
[19] - Quote
The empire navies have titans, don't they? Quick suggestion; bridge the empire loyalists straight into the system where things are happening next time? |

Lord Xander
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:30:00 -
[20] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:Subject says it all. 10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime) 10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal) Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention No real communication from gm/event host Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event ONLY to include those people in the end. I want that hour of my life refunded to me  Good Job CCP ... NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in PS: Please point me in the direction of this post to remind me why I shouldnt bother in another live event ...
thats like evry day in 0.0, and you are welcom. see you on the next one. <3 |
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Viaharo Musa
United Evian Peace Corp Veterans United Evian Peace Nation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:30:00 -
[21] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:T... basically just shoveling people into null killzones...
For PvP; Hilarious. Doril: - 169 pods killed in the last hour - 330 ships killed in the last hour I'm going out on a limb but am guessing the second group from meves is 8v-sjj: - 246 pods killed in the last hour - 444 ships killed in the last hour GREAT EVENT if you're lucky enough to be in a 0.0 power block 
Yup :-) Event was geared to the Null Power Blocks. Aka no chance for any one not in a block to really participate. 75% of the event, getting through tidi. 5% of the event, getting slaughtered at a bubble camp 20% of the event, trying to extract and evac. |

TijsseN
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:30:00 -
[22] - Quote
Welcome to the real EvE. |

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:31:00 -
[23] - Quote
I'm so mad I play a sandbox game that has areas of non consensual pvp and when I flew into one someone shot me let me act like I'm mad about something else |

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:32:00 -
[24] - Quote
Viaharo Musa wrote:The PitBoss wrote:Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:T... basically just shoveling people into null killzones...
For PvP; Hilarious. Doril: - 169 pods killed in the last hour - 330 ships killed in the last hour I'm going out on a limb but am guessing the second group from meves is 8v-sjj: - 246 pods killed in the last hour - 444 ships killed in the last hour GREAT EVENT if you're lucky enough to be in a 0.0 power block  Yup :-) Event was geared to the Null Power Blocks. Aka no chance for any one not in a block to really participate. 75% of the event, getting through tidi. 5% of the event, getting slaughtered at a bubble camp 20% of the event, trying to extract and evac.
Make some friends |

Lania Esperance
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:32:00 -
[25] - Quote
First time .... And last time ... for me too
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
92
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:33:00 -
[26] - Quote
This made the charge of the Light Brigade a Paragon of organisation in comparison
NO comms, no organisation, no preparation no clue.
NEVER NEVER NEVER again. |

Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:33:00 -
[27] - Quote
Alternatively, pick a region that isn't currently filled with Null Alliances involved in a war, centred around that region. Sure, some of us would have gone hunting had you gone to a different NPC Null-zone, but when you go to the one we are already in, its kinda asking for trouble. |

Caisersoze
Sons of Fett The Black Planets
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:34:00 -
[28] - Quote
i know ill never join another CCP event |

Viaharo Musa
United Evian Peace Corp Veterans United Evian Peace Nation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:34:00 -
[29] - Quote
Darius JOHNSON wrote:I'm so mad I play a sandbox game that has areas of non consensual pvp and when I flew into one someone shot me let me act like I'm mad about something else Lol love the cookie cutter "lil bee" responses, hell same response from any block lmfao.
The getting shot was fun :-) The shooting was fun :-)
My comments are about the EVENT, not sandbox fun :-P Aka the pvp part was great.
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
440
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:34:00 -
[30] - Quote
What a clusterf**k, from start to finish. Next time just announce it as "Live Event: Turkey Shoot in Null". |
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:35:00 -
[31] - Quote
Viaharo Musa wrote:Darius JOHNSON wrote:I'm so mad I play a sandbox game that has areas of non consensual pvp and when I flew into one someone shot me let me act like I'm mad about something else Lol love the cookie cutter "lil bee" responses, hell same response from any block lmfao. The getting shot was fun :-) The shooting was fun :-) My comments are about the EVENT, not sandbox fun :-P Aka the pvp part was great.
I'm the big bee man get it right.
I didn't know anything about the event but I do see a bunch of people crying about being shot in 0.0 so whether you personally were happy in particular or not my comment is still valid. |

Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
121
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
[32] - Quote
Waste of my time. Hours of TiDI travelling around to not be able to actually get to the event due to a massive gatecamp Great Idea CCP MASSIVE SARCASM INTENDED |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5434
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
[33] - Quote
Darius JOHNSON wrote: Make some friends
this is a mmorpg social skills are overpowered
nerf friends |

Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:37:00 -
[34] - Quote
Krystyn wrote:Waste of my time. Hours of TiDI travelling around to not be able to actually get to the event due to a massive gatecamp Great Idea CCP MASSIVE SARCASM INTENDED
Welcome to our regular Tuesday night.
http://themittani.com/news/ostfront-kw-i6t-supercapital-fight |

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:38:00 -
[35] - Quote
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE |

Caisersoze
Sons of Fett The Black Planets
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:40:00 -
[36] - Quote
there wasnt any real pvp if you couldnt make it there it was more like being raped by a very large man you cant escape as a lil girl |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1415
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:41:00 -
[37] - Quote
Viaharo Musa wrote:The PitBoss wrote:Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:T... basically just shoveling people into null killzones...
For PvP; Hilarious. Doril: - 169 pods killed in the last hour - 330 ships killed in the last hour I'm going out on a limb but am guessing the second group from meves is 8v-sjj: - 246 pods killed in the last hour - 444 ships killed in the last hour GREAT EVENT if you're lucky enough to be in a 0.0 power block  Yup :-) Event was geared to the Null Power Blocks. Aka no chance for any one not in a block to really participate. 75% of the event, getting through tidi. 5% of the event, getting slaughtered at a bubble camp 20% of the event, trying to extract and evac.
Get used to it. CCP is working towards turning the entire Eve universe into null sec. It will be glorious, for the 20% of the sub base that will be left. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2158
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
was fun watching on stream while playing other games |

marly cortez
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
29
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:41:00 -
[39] - Quote
Welcome to Null Sec...... |

Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:42:00 -
[40] - Quote
EVE's lore deserves better than this.  |
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Detritus Newton
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:42:00 -
[41] - Quote
So my first event. Can I ask what the point was? Virtually no information, spend ages in Tidi and then podded without even getting a shot off. Does event mean blow up one of your ships of your choice? Completely pointless. |

Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:43:00 -
[42] - Quote
Caisersoze wrote:there wasnt any real pvp if you couldnt make it there it was more like being raped by a very large man you cant escape as a lil girl I do wonder what people like you define as 'real pvp'.
The duel system? |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
93
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:43:00 -
[43] - Quote
should have a Poll how many feel like telling CCP so shove their subscription? Ok I thought new content, nice Idea, I'll try it might be fun 2 hours later I am 2 jumps from Ihal and I hear there's mass smart bombing on the Ithal gate.
They really really seem to want people to ragequit |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
1158
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:43:00 -
[44] - Quote
415 ships killed in Doril in last hour. |

Arn Dog
6
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:43:00 -
[45] - Quote
I don't have a clue why they did this. CCP knew this area has been well fought over in the past week. They walked us into a massive gank. Told us to jump in and watched us die. No CCP State support at all.
Utter Disgrace. I used to have a lot of respect for CCP but now it seems like they are in the pocket of the C.F.C. Nice free kill handout guys. |

Collin Max
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
Speechless.
Can't find kind words at this point. Please do us all a good and blow the entire region up. |

Zylithi
Four Mouseketeers
14
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:44:00 -
[47] - Quote
That was a huge joke.
Over 1000 capsuleers were still burning on the way, with 10% tidi between each gate. Doril, already had 500 in it, 2/3 of my fleet got traffic control as they jumped in. With 200 already on the gate. We got slaughtered like lambs.
I managed to get away but scrambled to a pos that was full of goons, caps and otherwise. Heh, go figure. Tin foil hat anyone? |

Utremi Fasolasi
The Scope Gallente Federation
300
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:44:00 -
[48] - Quote
arbalesttom wrote:HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
Is that pronounced "hyoo hyoo hyoo hyoo"?
seems strange. |

E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
56
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:45:00 -
[49] - Quote
****** up event is a great distraction from SOMER RMT. OP success |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
441
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:45:00 -
[50] - Quote
Collin Max wrote:Speechless. Can't find kind words at this point. Please do us all a good and blow the entire region up. I can. Today's live event is brought to you by the letters 'F" and "U".  |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3146
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
Not even Eve voice? Lel.
inb4 demands for reimbursement. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
822
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
First "LIVE Event" I've managed to make in 9.9 years of playing (even took 1.5 hours off work to get my Corp mate sorted) so I JC'd and jumped 27J into Sarum Prime late last night ready to roll. Corp Mate JC'd into an implantless clone and moved 31 jumps tonight while eating his dinner at the computer to get there "in time".
I got audio trouble so logged, couldn't get back in so opted to be moved 1 system over. Corp Mate followed. TiDi @ 40% in a system with 58 people.
Corp Mate got socket closed time and again so logged off for the night.
Formed fleet and got told to move...3 hours later I was still in TiDi hell moving to the system to start "Staging".
No comms or organisation from CCP\Actors really and I agree with most of the complaints in this thread.
Advantages:
1) Met some nice people in an ad-hoc fleet we formed 2) Got some great, and I do mean fricking great screenshots while at 10% TiDi of shizz you can normally get unless you FRAPS it 3) Had a good natter on comms to people all over the world.
Would I do it again....hell no. I could do all that without the TiDi hell in fleets I fly in already.
What motivated me to participate? The "Flash News" and CTA and the sense of doing something for the greater good. I didn't expect free stuff like some people (but a medal would've be cool).
A bit disappointed this is a "CCP Organised LIVE Event"
Oh and still travelling home after leaving TiDi behind. I feel like The Flash when I walk around the house now. |

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:47:00 -
[53] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:EVE's lore deserves better than this. 
I know what you mean man. I was playing BSG one time and someone knocked over my drink and I was like WTF man Adama deserves better than that. |

Funless Saisima
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
22
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
I'm fairly upset that I missed this event and all of the easy kills. |

Jack Earthfire
Everse Defense Initiative
9
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:48:00 -
[55] - Quote
Andy Tan wrote:How to event:
Step 1: Force people to travel for shitload of time
Step 2: Get them in null
Step 3: Get them all podded and laugh
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!
To Jita! Shoot the Monument! |

Arn Dog
10
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Question:
Was this the plan to get plex prices down buy getting most of H.S served to RAZOR? |

Liesje Allister
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:50:00 -
[57] - Quote
Carebear gotta be ******** to go into nullsec unprepared.
*popcorn watching the stream =) |

Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:50:00 -
[58] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:
NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in
agreed. this was horrible, my first and last live event. and the fact that no one at CCP though up the WH vs. having everyone jump thru null is absurd. |

Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
12
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:51:00 -
[59] - Quote
Next time CCP makes an event I will set autopilot 60 jumps in the opposite direction and go watch a movie. Then if I am still alive just blow myself up for good measure. Should be way more fun than today's event. |

Asha Xa'clan
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:52:00 -
[60] - Quote
I followed the original information and was in Sarum Prime, only to be ordered to a system 20+ jumps away. I started to move to Ihal the moment it was announced in local, and arrived an hour later there. The first fleets were already dead at that point and it was clear that jumping into low or even null would be suicide.
Of course EVE is a sandbox and we can expect certain groups to try and kill any such large group of players. But why plan the whole thing in a way that ensures that we either waste our time jumping 20+ system through 10% TiDi or just die without a chance if we were fast enough.
This was my first event, I would not have minded dying and planned for it with an empty clone. But I didn't participate in the event to just travel 20+ systems in TiDi without anything at the end. |
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
445
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
Liesje Allister wrote:Carebear gotta be ******** to go into nullsec unprepared. *popcorn watching the stream =) Yes, unprepared to fight against the several alliances that previously staged/setup there. |

Nomistrav
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
210
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:54:00 -
[62] - Quote
TiDi is expected honestly but I feel that this could have gone over a little bit better with some better preparation.
- 800+ pilots had gone to Sarum Prime because that was the original staging system in the World News event. - The node didn't seem to be reinforced, and thereby TiDi kicked in, as to be expected. - The staging point was then moved to Ihal, but the node(s) were not reinforced, thereby making the jump to Ihal excruciatingly long. - We were then informed that we should be moving to 8V-SJJ which was (hilariously) in the opposite direction. - Due to the distance of these jumps and the TiDi factor, I had made some spur of the moment calculations based on how long it was taking the larger ships to successfully jump into the next system, this was about 20 minutes per jump. I then applied this to the amount of jumps to the target destination and it came out to be about 9 hours or so, at which point TiDi was reduced to 30% as a mass of the participants logged off.
I'm still not quite sure what was supposed to happen in this event. Maybe something about the Empires fighting back their associated Pirate organizations but as far as the Lore is concerned, Capsuleers seem to be a greater hinderance to the Empires than the Pirate organizations. Like I said, not sure what was supposed to happen in this event, I have class in an hour so I had logged out early.
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Lania Esperance
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:54:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:415 ships killed in Doril in last hour, 157 in Hemin, 14 in Mifrata, 31 in Sendaya.
173 made it to destination system - to pop there.
... And How many lost because lack of information ? ... :( |

Jonathan McLearnon
Atlantis Innovations
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
Complete waste of time to jump 20+ jumps in 10% tidi :( Thanks CCP |

Aeligos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:55:00 -
[65] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:415 ships killed in Doril in last hour, 157 in Hemin, 14 in Mifrata, 31 in Sendaya.
173 made it to destination system - to pop there.
I LOL'd!!!
Sorry.  |

stardog Arkaral
Crimson lmperium Reborn
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:What a clusterf**k, from start to finish. Next time just announce it as "Live Event: Turkey Shoot in Null".
Very True |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
611
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
This was indeed handled very poorly, and I'm disappointed in what appears to be CCP's lack of foresight.
Having a staging system announced a day before the event and then changing it one hour before the event was bad planning. Having routes travel through known staging systems for large alliances was not the smartest idea either.
I hope live events continue and that the higher members of CCP don't see this as more reasons to ignore the events or postpone them. The events as a whole have potential but they really need more thought and consideration to what can and will happen. |

Max Mueller
Deutsche Luftschlosswerke AG
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Darius JOHNSON wrote:I'm so mad I play a sandbox game that has areas of non consensual pvp and when I flew into one someone shot me let me act like I'm mad about something else
Exactly how is this post even related to the boring 20 jumps on a poorly equipped server? |

Serge SC
The Valhalla Project
74
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:57:00 -
[69] - Quote
At least the OP was 1 hour.
I've been here for 5-6 hours trying to organize a fleet, with no information, hours of travelling, and now many more trying to go back with a 10% TiDI that has me slowboating in warp.
If this is pre-rubi warp changes, post rubi, battleships will never be used for pvp anymore. Unless they are at least dualboxing something "fun" while the boring one hauls for 10 hours just to go to a gate. |

Drug Kito
HemaRoidal Rampage SteRoid.
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
i miss all the fun it seems, never get to shoot carebears when i am home |
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commander aze
Sub--Zero Northern Associates.
24
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:57:00 -
[71] - Quote
so on i formed in Meves with 230 others 10% tidi trying to get there in time only to find out that the event ended 10 minutes before we arrived.... seriously CCP WTF make the event take a while or be closer to rally points.... epic failure |

ALPHA flyorDie
Latitude 45
5
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:58:00 -
[72] - Quote
1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tide THANKS
I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin! |

Farelle
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:58:00 -
[73] - Quote
Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? |

Oshira Saluki2
Saber Rider of the Universe
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:58:00 -
[74] - Quote
.....a great waste of time, thx |

Ray Rosny
Separated Incursion Profit
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:59:00 -
[75] - Quote
Thank you for the event, it was great (no pun inteded).
What is really awesome, it shows that CCP doesn't have a faintest idea how the sandbox they created works.
See you next time,
RR |

Tuvall Sunfire
Big River Industries
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 20:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
The rage from this should be amusing. Nice job screwing a fair chunk of your player base ccp. |

Vulfnaadur
Veris Explorers
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:00:00 -
[77] - Quote
This event was run like Obamacare. This makes me want to unsub 3 accounts. This makes me want to jet 500 shuttles in Jita undocking lanes. |

Immaga
Preon Star Industries
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:01:00 -
[78] - Quote
Someone should get fired over this. Seriously. This one a total ****-show and CCP pissed off a huge number of people today, people who will in future think twice about plexing or subbing their accounts. No renewal = loss of revenue. And for this, the revenue drop will be significant.
So... bye, bye event organizer! The door's over there. |

LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
136
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:01:00 -
[79] - Quote
OP nails it pretty good. Spent 2 hours going from Sarum Prime to Ihal, by the time I got there the even was mostly over (not that anyone had actually reached the event, most died gloriosly in the Doril gatecamp or in Sendaya) :)
No attempts at organization whatsoever from CCP, contrary to the expectations created by those news items.
dafuq |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
142
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:02:00 -
[80] - Quote
Farelle wrote:Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? On Live Events channel ISD announced that after attack was successfully repelled and base saved, pirates destroyed their own base. I was amused. |
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Big rEy
Probe Patrol Polarized.
37
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:03:00 -
[81] - Quote
My God, this was so bad.... I don't even have words to.... just... Galactic Facepalm |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:03:00 -
[82] - Quote
Was Concord infiltrated by the pirates? |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3149
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:03:00 -
[83] - Quote
Immaga wrote:Someone should get fired over this. Seriously. This one a total ****-show and CCP pissed off a huge number of people today, people who will in future think twice about plexing or subbing their accounts. No renewal = loss of revenue. And for this, the revenue drop will be significant.
So... bye, bye event organizer! The door's over there. Lol? You think the company will hemorrhage a bunch of money cause of one event?
m8 |

Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
66
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:04:00 -
[84] - Quote
Immaga wrote:Someone should get fired over this. Seriously. This one a total ****-show and CCP pissed off a huge number of people today, people who will in future think twice about plexing or subbing their accounts. No renewal = loss of revenue. And for this, the revenue drop will be significant.
So... bye, bye event organizer! The door's over there.
CCP Fozzie organized Sarum Prime -> Ihal event (https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie). Guess he is better off rebalancing ships than doing anything related to live events. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5435
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
You're all very welcome, it was our pleasure to butcher you like swine. |

zeahg
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:04:00 -
[86] - Quote
Got to love High Sec CAREBAEAR Tears
CCP please bring more events like this |

Rau One
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:04:00 -
[87] - Quote
Great idea Terrible execution. Spent an 1.5 hours waiting in FD while fleets formed up, The only fleets made where alliance fleets, there was no way for others to participate, the only action taken by the ISD where local dialogue, When defending the beacon, there as no way to tell who was on whos side, since no fleets where formed, so it was just a big FFA for the 2 aliances able to assemble fleets. Complete joke really, no way to join with the pirate side, the first thing that shot at me was some serpentis vindicators, the very pirates i was there to protect. I am extremely disapointed in this event, i was excited that it might be something even remotely different from the everyday eve experience but i could have just headed into the middle of some big fights and would have been same thing. If we are meant to be supporting the pirates or empire where the hell are they, where the organization.. The event should have said, capsulers put out call for help from empire and pirates. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
445
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:04:00 -
[88] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:Farelle wrote:Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? On Live Events channel ISD announced that after attack was successfully repelled and base saved, pirates destroyed their own base. I was amused. Successfully repelled? Did anyone even make it to the target?! |

Nomistrav
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
210
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
[89] - Quote
Immaga wrote:Someone should get fired over this. Seriously. This one a total ****-show and CCP pissed off a huge number of people today, people who will in future think twice about plexing or subbing their accounts. No renewal = loss of revenue. And for this, the revenue drop will be significant.
So... bye, bye event organizer! The door's over there.
Yes, someone's family should definitely starve because 0.24% (accurate number based on those who participated versus active subscribers) had a bad experience. For a few hours out of a single day.
Get real dude, if anyone should suffer from this it should be you and your ilk for over-reacting, not only over this particular instance but over a -******* video game-. |

Paraa Trahn
State War Academy Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
[90] - Quote
CCP - This was a disastrous failure. I have nothing to add, which has not already been said.
I hope you learn from it, but I am done with your live events. This was too much. It wasted my time, and the people I asked to come in my fleet.
Getting a fleet together, waiting in Sarum Prime for hours, getting directions from Twitter?? and via totally spammed local channel only to end up warping through 23 jumps (many in 10% TiDi) to get to a staging area which just points to a new destination in null. Not fun, and I dropped the whole idea since I knew jumping into null would be straight into a podding meatgrinder. So, I disbanded my fleet even before we hit Ihal. That was all just a bad joke, and I actually regarded every piece of information as people trying to get others into a gatecamp killzone, instead you did that. Makes me wonder if you know your own game?
Here is what you should have done.
1. Hold the Events in the systems you define, for me that was Sarum Prime. When too many people are in system, lock the gates and spawn a new area where you have a similar event and keep doing this everytime you reach a certain limit, so you split the load and keep people from travelling. 2. Start the event a bit like an Incursion, so everyone knows when it begins, and people get into an intel channel where you convey the role playing part and maybe a fleet channel as well. 3. Fleets, get people into fleets! Especially if you do capsuleer vs capsuleer. Else, build the storyline around everyone going suspect or make the loots so irresistable that many do. Best would be, if you could pit fleets against each other, but I do not know if your game engine supports that. 4. If you want to do something new. Do the above, and once a certain force prevails in a system, open up a wormhole or special gate to a second system where the survivors from one system can do battle with the survivors of another system.
That is basically it. That way you cut out the stupid travelling, you know what nodes to reinforce and you open up the event in a way that will scale according to how popular it is. Also, you can reuse existing game code for this, should not be too hard.
This makes me wish I worked for you and did all this for you, since it could be so good, but you guys ruin it and I have a hard time understanding why since you must be intelligent people in order to write software and do all the great stuff that you actually do accomplish. The story line and event making of Eve is a problem, and you should look into solving it, since so many actually do come to these events in the hope of finding valuable content. And you let them down, time and time again.
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Meat Mayos
Aurora Novae Aetatis
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
[91] - Quote
This was both my first event and first foray into null sec. What I learned was:
1) jump clones are important and necessary for pvp 2) bubbles are bad 3) organization is important 4) null sec eve is a completely different game than empire eve
I'm not angry at being podded by a more organized group of players (II actually learned a bunch of valuable information in the process). I am just disappointed with the lack of organization and how this event may further limit the number of players willing to take risks in the game. Are all ccp events this disjointed? |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
445
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jack Mayhem wrote:CCP Fozzie organized Sarum Prime -> Ihal event (https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie). Guess he is better off rebalancing ships than doing anything related to live events. I was going to say if the live events are any indication, that doesn't bode well for future ship rebalancing... |

Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
97374
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
First Event. I've gone too... I don't think I'll bother with another.... |

Farelle
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
5
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:07:00 -
[94] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:Farelle wrote:Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? On Live Events channel ISD announced that after attack was successfully repelled and base saved, pirates destroyed their own base. I was amused.
so the entire event was staged simply to feed CCPs bros in null free kills. Super. Way to follow up the obvious corruption of SOMER Blink, with more corruption CCP. |

assassn gallic
Logistics Service
5
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP live event progression line
1. Form up in Sarum Prime...under heavy tidi,locked gates 2. Recieve heads up out of game via twitter to move 23+jumps away in 10% tidi (30if you got locked out) 3. 60minutes later upon arrival told to sit and wait for another 20minutes 4. drake with killright becomes suspect flagged infront of 600people on gate 5. drake dies (the most fun in the entire event) 6. start your lowsec run towards nullsec at 10%tidi 7. get into nullsec,to find bubbles,bubbles,goon domi fleet 100km with sentries out while majority of fleet is still loading through the gate due to tidi 8.anyone getting towards the edge of the bubble is goon/razor primary (300 or more goons) 9.lose ship,dock up get rookieship and safely (almost safely,lost rookieship #1 to tornado gate camp) make it to destination system 10. land on grid,find its bubbled,has fast tackle everywhere and mwd'ing 1day old machariels kiting from range
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Illinara
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 -
[96] - Quote
They should have jumped several big (including(nerfed?)titans) into several nullsec systems. All the nullsec ganks can form up against those. And pirate faction jumping into high/low sec systems. A direct attack from empire against the capsuleers outside there reach. And PVE folk all happy with the newish content.
Server could manage. Everyone can fight. Serverwide event.
Everyone could see this comming. Every big battle means big tidi, means ppl cant get into system and means only a few strong powerblocks can join the fight. Learn from the fights that have been. Asakai? 6VDT? Jita Riots? |

Carl O'Neill
Weekend Soldiers
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:09:00 -
[97] - Quote
At first, I hated this event, but after I visited EVE Forums I love it! |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:09:00 -
[98] - Quote
And there I was thinking about skipping work...  |

PrincessButtercup
Miners of Moria Corp
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:09:00 -
[99] - Quote
Aint been on much lately.... Saw this event and thought back to the first time incursions were launched and remembered that seeing the titan the first time was worth getting slaughtered....
now 26 jumps with time dialation...... shoulda NOT taken today as a floater day off work to play this as well ...... dammit I want my time back this was a total waste. |

Nomistrav
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
211
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:09:00 -
[100] - Quote
Farelle wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:Farelle wrote:Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? On Live Events channel ISD announced that after attack was successfully repelled and base saved, pirates destroyed their own base. I was amused. so the entire event was staged simply to feed CCPs bros in null free kills. Super. Way to follow up the obvious corruption of SOMER Blink, with more corruption CCP.
http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg?f9d891 |
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Vermin X
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:09:00 -
[101] - Quote
1) Welcome to Null. 2) This is our life every day. 3) This was voluntary. 4) You should know what null is. 5) This was a Blast 6) CCP This was a blast, Please do these weekly. 7) CCP Thank you for the tears, sweet sweet tears.
http://i.imgur.com/cwtrZED.gif |

E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
60
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:10:00 -
[102] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Not even Eve voice? Lel.
inb4 demands for reimbursement. inb4 demands for skillpoints for participating in a mass test |

Konrad Kane
GoonWaffe
83
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:10:00 -
[103] - Quote
Looks like we ruined your game.
Op success. |

Vordek Rei
Nexus Incorporated
20
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:11:00 -
[104] - Quote
Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
/me puts on cool hat
I LOL'ed all them Noobs, We ****** them up, lol. |

epicful
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:11:00 -
[105] - Quote
Vermin X wrote:1) Welcome to Null. 2) This is our life every day. 3) This was voluntary. 4) You should know what null is. 5) This was a Blast 6) CCP This was a blast, Please do these weekly. 7) CCP Thank you for the tears, sweet sweet tears. http://i.imgur.com/cwtrZED.gif
o no he didnt http://i.imgur.com/Jwm2y.gif
|

Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
28
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:11:00 -
[106] - Quote
This felt more like a random null sec flower picking event ending in ship loss. (good kill IVY League)
Not sure what the event was supposed to be, but based on the news, I thought there would be a lot more to this than what we got. Felt very random and without support. |

Antecy
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:12:00 -
[107] - Quote
First event Last event
That event is a punch into the face of all high sec Capsuleers |

Elfred Gam'Havoc
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:12:00 -
[108] - Quote
The thought that comes to my mind is... does anyone at CCP ever ask the question "What could go wrong?" and seriously examine the potential consequences of "wouldn't it be cool" ideas?
I JC'd to a blank clone yesterday, fit a cheap BC and went to Sarum Prime anticipating the event. Couldn't log in. Amarr was over populated as well. Took an hour to get to the new staging system in Tidi... and at that point the lack of information, combined with Mad Ani's stream proved that actually trying to participate would have been completely fruitless.
Sorry I couldn't contribute to the gate camp killmail pile. |

zeahg
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:12:00 -
[109] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/D4ExR.png |

Farelle
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
5
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:13:00 -
[110] - Quote
Vordek Rei wrote:Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
I should have remembered why I hate null, that much is true..oh wait, as soon as the slaughter become obvious on EVE-kill, I docked up..... |
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Brock Nelson
611
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
LOL!
Did everybody already forget how the very first incursion live event went?  |

Spring HeeledJack
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:14:00 -
[112] - Quote
WHY DID WE NOT BRIN DRAEK FLEET
WHERE WAS DRAEK FLEET
http://i.imgur.com/FBlA4.gif |

Nuker Zero
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:15:00 -
[113] - Quote
Farelle wrote:Vordek Rei wrote:Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
I should have remembered why I hate null, that much is true..oh wait, as soon as the slaughter become obvious on EVE-kill, I docked up.....
Time to join Brave Newbies then. |

Lychton Kondur
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:16:00 -
[114] - Quote
MFW the CCP gods give me sweet, tender kills.
Don't worry young bears. The stings you feel now will only make you stronger.
Let us help you. Teach you. Mold you.
Be stronger. Or don't..either way.
|

Spring HeeledJack
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:17:00 -
[115] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:MFW the CCP gods give me sweet, tender kills. Don't worry young bears. The stings you feel now will only make you stronger. Let us help you. Teach you. Mold you. Be stronger. Or don't.. either way.
ALL HAIL THE NEW GLORIOUS LEADER |

Kira Crow
the Crow Squadron
17
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:17:00 -
[116] - Quote
Endless tidi for 2 hours from Sarum prime to reach a complete meat grinder without any single word from CCP during the live event...
I want apologies from CCP on this. |

Ayallah
Silver's Privateers Test Alliance Please Ignore
29
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:17:00 -
[117] - Quote
Can I just say?
Welcome to nullsec. |

zeahg
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:17:00 -
[118] - Quote
Paraa Trahn wrote:CCP - This was a disastrous failure. I have nothing to add, which has not already been said.
I hope you learn from it, but I am done with your live events. This was too much. It wasted my time, and the people I asked to come in my fleet.
Getting a fleet together, waiting in Sarum Prime for hours, getting directions from Twitter?? and via totally spammed local channel only to end up warping through 23 jumps (many in 10% TiDi) to get to a staging area which just points to a new destination in null. Not fun, and I dropped the whole idea since I knew jumping into null would be straight into a podding meatgrinder. So, I disbanded my fleet even before we hit Ihal. That was all just a bad joke, and I actually regarded every piece of information as people trying to get others into a gatecamp killzone, instead you did that. Makes me wonder if you know your own game?
Here is what you should have done.
1. Hold the Events in the systems you define, for me that was Sarum Prime. When too many people are in system, lock the gates and spawn a new area where you have a similar event and keep doing this everytime you reach a certain limit, so you split the load and keep people from travelling. 2. Start the event a bit like an Incursion, so everyone knows when it begins, and people get into an intel channel where you convey the role playing part and maybe a fleet channel as well. 3. Fleets, get people into fleets! Especially if you do capsuleer vs capsuleer. Else, build the storyline around everyone going suspect or make the loots so irresistable that many do. Best would be, if you could pit fleets against each other, but I do not know if your game engine supports that. 4. If you want to do something new. Do the above, and once a certain force prevails in a system, open up a wormhole or special gate to a second system where the survivors from one system can do battle with the survivors of another system.
That is basically it. That way you cut out the stupid travelling, you know what nodes to reinforce and you open up the event in a way that will scale according to how popular it is. Also, you can reuse existing game code for this, should not be too hard.
This makes me wish I worked for you and did all this for you, since it could be so good, but you guys ruin it and I have a hard time understanding why since you must be intelligent people in order to write software and do all the great stuff that you actually do accomplish. The story line and event making of Eve is a problem, and you should look into solving it, since so many actually do come to these events in the hope of finding valuable content. And you let them down, time and time again.
Get over it dude
|

Jack Heisenburg
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:17:00 -
[119] - Quote
My bombs welcome any and all high sec capsuleers to nullsec.
10/10, good fun. |

Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
16
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:18:00 -
[120] - Quote
Konrad Kane wrote:Looks like we ruined your game.
Op success.
Good for you. Wasn't because any abundance of skills or wits. Guess some people need to brag no matter what... |
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cochar Andedare
Avengers of the Light
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:18:00 -
[121] - Quote
Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:19:00 -
[122] - Quote
Brock Nelson wrote:LOL! Did everybody already forget how the very first incursion live event went? 
So you find funny that a live event can't even enter a relative stage of "success" repetitively?
So Syndicate piwte had free kill fun... WOW what a really good live event... I mean come on people will say for weeks how cool this game is because **** never happens and events are a basic crap (they stink and they are ****).
Wow I mean you must love this crappy in game stuff, because I tough we wanted people to join in on a great game... not a practical joke. |

Spring HeeledJack
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:19:00 -
[123] - Quote
Draugo Rana wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:Looks like we ruined your game.
Op success. Good for you. Wasn't because any abundance of skills or wits. Guess some people need to brag no matter what...
OP SUCCESS \o/ |

Nuker Zero
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:20:00 -
[124] - Quote
Draugo Rana wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:Looks like we ruined your game.
Op success. Good for you. Wasn't because any abundance of skills or wits. Guess some people need to brag no matter what...
Well there were multiple null sec fleets fighting it out while we were waiting for you. And the rag tag remains decimated you. Let that sink in. |

Lychton Kondur
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:21:00 -
[125] - Quote
cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event.
Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself.
Harden the **** up. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3151
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:22:00 -
[126] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up.
Did CFC tell you that when your asses got kicked out of Fountain with TEST and friends? |

Caydn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:22:00 -
[127] - Quote
Nuker Zero wrote:Farelle wrote:Vordek Rei wrote:Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
I should have remembered why I hate null, that much is true..oh wait, as soon as the slaughter become obvious on EVE-kill, I docked up..... Time to join Brave Newbies then.
Why would anyone want to join Goonswarm Tardfest Version 2? The first one is bad enough as it is.
That's all Brave Newbies is now. Another Goons Pet. The original idea of it is basically an afterthought at this point.
Sad. |

Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:23:00 -
[128] - Quote
I didn't particularly enjoy the Incursion events back when they still happened, but I thought 'hey, they spent some time and made something new and interesting, they can't do anything worse!'. Boy was I wrong...
Bottom line is I won't be joining on any future events and will actively advise everyone I can reach in-game and out of game not to attend them. Friends don't let friends attend CCP events.
Also, Grr goons! |

Spring HeeledJack
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:23:00 -
[129] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up. Did CFC tell you that when your asses got kicked out of Fountain with TEST and friends?
wait whats?
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Caydn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:24:00 -
[130] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up.
I think you'd be better off shutting your hole. |
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Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:24:00 -
[131] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up.
We are Grrrrr, we Are bigg!!!!
We kill bunch of carebears look!
Oh wait... You haven't done anything new... again... CCP did it for you... So... 0/10
I mean how hard can it be to click f1 when there is no real challenge...
In your home turf...
I luagh at your leet skillz |

Nuker Zero
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:25:00 -
[132] - Quote
Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up. We are Grrrrr, we Are bigg!!!! We kill bunch of carebears look! Oh wait... You haven't done anything new... again... CCP did it for you... So... 0/10 I mean how hard can it be to click f1 when there is no real challenge... In your home turf... I luagh at your leet skillz
And I laugh at your killboard. |

Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
22
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:26:00 -
[133] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:Can I just say?
Welcome to nullsec.
Gotta love all those null sec heroes jumping on every opportunity to repeat the "welcome to nullsec" mantra.
If you actually bother to read what people are saying, the complaints are not about null sec or losing ships. It is about poor organization, lack of communication and wasted time. How does it have anything to do with your mad skillz killing carebears again? |

BBQ FTW
The Hatchery Team Liquid
89
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:27:00 -
[134] - Quote
thanks based CCP
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Aja Jinn
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:27:00 -
[135] - Quote
Screw all you whiners!! I had a choice today to either go outside and rake leaves, or fly with a fleet to null sec. Guess what? I chose Null sec. I got on a couple of kills, got podded, had fun. So quit whining and get another ship and get back out there. Or send all your stuff to me and I'll give it away to people that aren't world class crybabys like all you losers.
OK, I feel better now. |

Xuse Senna
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
754
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 -
[136] - Quote
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20374279 |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 -
[137] - Quote
Nuker Zero wrote:Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up. We are Grrrrr, we Are bigg!!!! We kill bunch of carebears look! Oh wait... You haven't done anything new... again... CCP did it for you... So... 0/10 I mean how hard can it be to click f1 when there is no real challenge... In your home turf... I luagh at your leet skillz And I laugh at your killboard.
And you seriously think I am affected by that.... LOL wait give me one min I... nope... LOL...
Resumed -- > Oh! the humanity... Yours Killzboard iz better than minez? Oh... Should I carez?
|

Delileah Acharyn
SK Industries
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:31:00 -
[138] - Quote
I could've, wait no... I should've been at the pub.  |

Arik Alabel
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:32:00 -
[139] - Quote
Caydn wrote:Nuker Zero wrote:Farelle wrote:Vordek Rei wrote:Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
I should have remembered why I hate null, that much is true..oh wait, as soon as the slaughter become obvious on EVE-kill, I docked up..... Time to join Brave Newbies then. Why would anyone want to join Goonswarm Tardfest Version 2? The first one is bad enough as it is. That's all Brave Newbies is now. Another Goons Pet. The original idea of it is basically an afterthought at this point. Sad.
...goons pet. I don't think you know who brave is then, mate. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3155
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:32:00 -
[140] - Quote
I don't like griefers/nulbears/ganktards anymore than you people but man, you highbears suck at counter-smack talk... |
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Charles Wu-Wong
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
16
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:35:00 -
[141] - Quote
event was a clusterfuck of hilarity.
If mad pvp was what you were after, this event provided. If you wanted serious RPing.....erm.....maybe not |

Viktor Corgo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:36:00 -
[142] - Quote
I don't know why you'd be surprised about TIDI when you invite all your friends and blob.
You dirty blobbers. |

Konrad Kane
GoonWaffe
86
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:36:00 -
[143] - Quote
Draugo Rana wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:Looks like we ruined your game.
Op success. Good for you. Wasn't because any abundance of skills or wits. Guess some people need to brag no matter what...
Dude, train sense of humor I. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
823
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:38:00 -
[144] - Quote
I best thing I could do was this. |

Countess Lamorei
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:38:00 -
[145] - Quote
Left Sarum-Prime at the time of the scheduled event, to the minute.
Tidi was so bad, that didn't make it to first point anyway with the rest of the fleet.
Saw that the destination went through a cfc staging system and thought.. I know where this whole thing is headed.
Went anyway, evaded camps, got to objective.. eventually.
Chose to engage rather than just sit on my behind. Helped kill one thing, got killed myself. Just over 2 hours for all that...
Now assuming the objective was to prove to the masses how actually effective and deadly nulsec blocks can be, I would say it was 100% success.
Now the Caldari FC was terrible, I think everyone including cfc would of had much more fun if he had given the order to engage rather than burn out of bubbles and run, the orders given just gave the cfc a turkey shoot, and of course so many died without even firing back... at CCP's orders.
That's the crux for me, the planned route went through a cfc staging system and the NPC gave the worst kind of orders, if people would of gone down guns firing...
Overall Terrible event, it either showed a willingness on CCP's part to pad a nulsec killboard at the expense of those totally unprepared, or it proved an absolute lack of game knowledge when it came to planning the route and event in general. |

Hayden Alyaeus
0utbreak Outbreak.
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:39:00 -
[146] - Quote
10/10 would do again. |

ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
69
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:41:00 -
[147] - Quote
On behalf of 0utbreak I would like to heartily thank CCP for organising this event.
Can CCP organise some prizes for the extremely brave fallen pilots with no scouts that went in balls deep. Respect. |

Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
75
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:41:00 -
[148] - Quote
Caisersoze wrote:thanks CCP for being even bigger faggots by making something most of the players couldnt even enjoy next time at least do a LS one or clear the ******* bubbles agian thanks CCP for being a bunch of **** idea fags that shouldnt run live events
Chance you could express yourself without the homophobia? Maybe not.
Time to get your shots. You're foaming at the mouth. |

Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:43:00 -
[149] - Quote
glad i didnt participate...
if CCP wants to turn it around -> they could announce the live event as a trap and lead the storyline to capsuleers fighting the empires and distrusting them ;) |

Skeito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:43:00 -
[150] - Quote
glad i missed it as it seems to have been a right mess, also from what ive been told, you probably stopped half of the noobs taking part ever wanting to go to null sec again.
Strike 1 - SOMER
Strike 2 - This 'live' event.
Strike 3 - ??????? |
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Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 -
[151] - Quote
Charles Wu-Wong wrote:event was a clusterfuck of hilarity.
If mad pvp was what you were after, this event provided. If you wanted serious RPing.....erm.....maybe not
So mad pvp!!!
Super LEET drone assign! Wow!!! |

SysteMGhosT
GREENSPACE
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 -
[152] - Quote
At least one thing was accomplished today. We finally know why they called it "Ghost Sites":
Anomalies, spread deep in the void of space. Broken souls from scattered bodies of empire faring capsuleers, roaming around these unusual sites. Pilots claim to have heard voices over the static of space. Howling like the North Wind, repeating only one question: "Why? .... Why have you lead us to slaugther CCP?" |

Gemini Nightshines
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 -
[153] - Quote
Just like a movie- the good guys won and the bad guys lost. Would watch again. 
Thanks CCP!
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Skeito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:46:00 -
[154] - Quote
Gemini Nightshines wrote:Just like a movie- the good guys won and the bad guys lost. Would watch again.  Thanks CCP!
you need to go back to Syndicate to continue getting your ass handed to you by a load of NPC starter corp noobs.  |

Jamison
Southern Gothic
8
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:46:00 -
[155] - Quote
This could possibly be not only the worst live event in eve, and thats a lot for a company who gives away titans to players during live event. But it could also be the worst live event in videogaming history.
No comunication with anyone from CCP. Going from 1 10% TiDi point to the next, 15-20 jump away, literaly taking hours of time. Being pushed through lowsec gatecamps. Getting to the event and being told its over.
Knock out job CCP, youve really made good on your promise of making live events a big part of the community this year.
J~ |

Leifler
Fairweather Ice Cream Co Insidious Empire
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:47:00 -
[156] - Quote
Stay in Hi Sec if you cant handle gate camps, bubbles and tidi. |

Fineesd Miromme
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:47:00 -
[157] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up.
Spoken like a true Corp Leader.
Also: Dang you and your TZs. Work always gets in the way! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
222
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:48:00 -
[158] - Quote
Caisersoze wrote:thanks CCP for being even bigger faggots by making something most of the players couldnt even enjoy next time at least do a LS one or clear the ******* bubbles agian thanks CCP for being a bunch of **** idea fags that shouldnt run live events
Did you really just call a company homosexual?? That makes no sense mate, please keep your insults to a more intelligent nature. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3158
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:49:00 -
[159] - Quote
Leifler wrote:Stay in Hi Sec if you cant handle gate camps, bubbles and tidi. 2edgy4me |

Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:49:00 -
[160] - Quote
im sooooo excited about CCPs response  |
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Nuker Zero
The Lollipop Guild Brave Collective
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:49:00 -
[161] - Quote
Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Charles Wu-Wong wrote:event was a clusterfuck of hilarity.
If mad pvp was what you were after, this event provided. If you wanted serious RPing.....erm.....maybe not So mad pvp!!! Super LEET drone assign! Wow!!!
Such tears! So wow! so told #shrekt
such eve savior
masta gaem balencer
so eleet
such wow |

Arik Alabel
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:50:00 -
[162] - Quote
Skeito wrote:Gemini Nightshines wrote:Just like a movie- the good guys won and the bad guys lost. Would watch again.  Thanks CCP! you need to go back to Syndicate to continue getting your ass handed to you by a load of NPC starter corp noobs. 
You realize that makes zero sense, right? |

Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
205
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:50:00 -
[163] - Quote
LULZ, I guess this was CCP's peace offering to the CFC scrubs for the missed titan kills the other day in KW-I6T. I'm so glad I don't do Live Events. Here's a tip guys - if there is ever another Live Event with a null sec destination system, then fully expect a repeat performance.
I can only hope it doesn't put off hi sec players from thinking of eventually moving to null, as the vast majority of null sec space (outside of circle jerk staging systems) is pretty empty, TiDi free and can be great for solo/small gang roams and fights. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3158
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
[164] - Quote
Nuker Zero wrote:Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Charles Wu-Wong wrote:event was a clusterfuck of hilarity.
If mad pvp was what you were after, this event provided. If you wanted serious RPing.....erm.....maybe not So mad pvp!!! Super LEET drone assign! Wow!!! Such tears! So wow! so told #shrekt such eve savior masta gaem balencer so eleet such wow
OK now your **** talk's making the highbear **** talk look better. |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
[165] - Quote
Schmu Efrafa wrote:im sooooo excited about CCPs response 
You mean the usual complete silence about a snafu and the introduction of some irrelevant dev blog on how they are going to change Gal Battleship to have split damage rocket system... |

Skeito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
[166] - Quote
Arik Alabel wrote:Skeito wrote:Gemini Nightshines wrote:Just like a movie- the good guys won and the bad guys lost. Would watch again.  Thanks CCP! you need to go back to Syndicate to continue getting your ass handed to you by a load of NPC starter corp noobs.  You realize that makes zero sense, right?
it makes plenty. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
482
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yeah it was "fun" jumping into the trap, when CCP said Jump. Warping thru the hardest void i have ever seen was "fun" too.
In all respect, even when i expected the CCP to lead us into the null, I still expected some surprise, like a cyno from empire or wormhole. Now I am really, completely, hugely disappointed it was just a slowboating to the inevitable suicide. This is what you get when you trust CCP.  |

Henry Montclaire
42nd Devils and Dragons Dalek Asylum
95
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:52:00 -
[168] - Quote
Deeply disappointing. I can get blapped in a gate camp any day of the week. I was expecting something special. I had the pleasure of being in the TVP fleet, a fairly well organized group of 250+ people of which only a handful actually got to the target destination. Went some 70 jumps in a battleship, spent some five+ hours in total getting in position for this event expecting to see and be a part of something unique. It was within CCP's power to take steps to ensure a fair (or at least interesting) fight.
This wasn't a joint-empire strike force, it was CONCORD rallying -loyal- capsuleers and leading them to a slaughter with absolutely no support. So uh, hey, well done CCP. You've got me determined to never assist the Empires in RP again, which I assume was your goal. Shame you had to waste so much of everybody's time to do that. |

Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:53:00 -
[169] - Quote
I had no idea until this event that TIDI slows down the cognitive functions of those who run them. |

Jaffinator
Fairweather Ice Cream Co Insidious Empire
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:55:00 -
[170] - Quote
I'm in no manner a fan of Goons, but the mad this is causing is just so, so good. If you don't want nullsec mechanics or TiDi, skip the event and stay in highsec where you belong. |
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BLerchg
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
16
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:55:00 -
[171] - Quote
great event. plenty of easy content. |

Jon Deepspace
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:56:00 -
[172] - Quote
What did I miss? |

Lychton Kondur
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
9
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:56:00 -
[173] - Quote
Aja Jinn wrote: Screw all you whiners!! I had a choice today to either go outside and rake leaves, or fly with a fleet to null sec. Guess what? I chose Null sec. I got on a couple of kills, got podded, had fun. So quit whining and get another ship and get back out there. Or send all your stuff to me and I'll give it away to people that aren't world class crybabys like all you losers.
OK, I feel better now.
You are the first Highsec player that admitted you have fun. Props, you're winning EvE. If you want to spice up your space life, you are more than welcome to come out and fly with us. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2790
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:58:00 -
[174] - Quote
The conversation is wrong. Goons blap people in null... everywhere really. That's what they do. Who cares? If they could blap my 185k ehp tengu I'd be like "f*** me. That's crazy." That would be the end of it.
What sucked about this event for me was sitting in 10% TiDi and getting told by CCP Fozzie to go 20 jumps to stage in another system because reasons, and few jumps into the trip, 10% TiDi all the way, realizing it would take hours and hours. They didn't plan this at all. CCP made terrible decisions throughout the event. Nobody gives a snip about the jackoff alliances blapping people. It was the experience of one of the worst events I've ever been a part of.
I couldn't make it to null to get blapped. I couldn't be bothered with the 9 hour tour of empire. It was just a lame experience. |

Lo Xo
Crimson lmperium Reborn
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:59:00 -
[175] - Quote
Just so you know more than half the people from Meves didn't get killed at all during the event. We just failed thanks to TiDi to reach the event at all.
So Goons, lost out on lost of extra kills, upset with CCP at all?? Missed out on a potentially much better fight had we all managed to arrive at the nullsec target.
Way to brag about a victory when most people didn't get there from Meves, not due to gate camps and pvp, but to TiDi and CCP incompetence.
I missed the battle completely, that's why I'm pissed off.
|

Petar Harad
Sebiestor Tribe
97
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:59:00 -
[176] - Quote
Was I expecting it to go into Low/Null sec? yes. Was I expecting to die at this event? Yes. Was I expecting to have to travel for nearly two hours through 10% TIDI? No!
And that's what put me of at this event. I don't mind to die in this game, I don't expect any fight to be 'fair', but travelling only to hear the event is actually over before you arrive, is no fun at all.
I think it was organised this way to show the utter incompetence of the empires compared to organised capsuleer organisations. If that's correct, then this event was a success. But not fun for me personally.
Edit: And although the event was over, I went to Doril anyway, just for fun and a good laugh. So at least I blew up laughing in the end... |

Fineesd Miromme
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:00:00 -
[177] - Quote
Jon Deepspace wrote:What did I miss?
Bunch of Hi-secers getting blown to bits by nullies evidently. Too bad we missed it. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2577
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:01:00 -
[178] - Quote
Jon Deepspace wrote:What did I miss? Hilarious CCP incompetence.
Don't worry though, given recent form I'm certain there will be some more of it along very shortly for you to witness! |

Lolita Troublemaker
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:01:00 -
[179] - Quote
I will not be doing any more live events with/for ccp, so ccp please dont ask. Extreamely poor planning and direction, I spent more than 2 hrs just getting to the 2nd waypoint. Crap planning, guess thats par for the course on what we can expect from ccp now. |

Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
151
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:02:00 -
[180] - Quote
The event was basically CCP ramming a cactus up the asses of the empire fleets...
HOWEVER, that being said, I had a riot of a time. Laughed on TS at the sheer amount of Wat! that was happening. Had even more fun as I jumped into the first null system and saw clusterfuck absolutly everywhere... Sweet jesus it was a massacre... Our FC went silent on comms as did the secondary FC. Some randomer took over and got a third (or maybe a quarter) of our fleet through to the system with the angel base in it...
My only dissapoinment is I got no kills, although I did get my Drake out alive...
Sure it was a bit of a let down, but I had a laugh... |
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Professor Push
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:02:00 -
[181] - Quote
All these people are saying how bad it was.
I don't disagree. But, I must say I had a blast. 
I was there with corp members, (not RAZOR or Goons) I didn't kill anything, but it was fun.
Like a bad movie, that you still enjoy. Like "God Bless America" like one of my corp mates tell me.
Anyway, that's my two ISK.
Maybe it's the company you keep. |

Bihiri Nova
MAD Operations
6
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:03:00 -
[182] - Quote
Quit blaming CCP
Our FC jumped 220 pilots into a bubble camp with maybe 100. Rather than select primaries, and start fighting, he told everyone to burn out of bubbles and warp to a diff gate. WTF. Poor execution. If we would have engaged, at LEAST we would have taken a **** load of them with us.
I expected to die...just not while trying to burn out of a bubble fleeing a 100 man gate camp with our 220 man fleet. Derp
By teh way...around 30 made it to the next gate....fail |

Dragunov
Anomalous Existence
7
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:03:00 -
[183] - Quote
This event was bad. Epic fail on CCP's part.
I'm not going to rage quit, but I'm cancelling 3 accounts for a month in protest and invite everyone else who was suckered into a gatecamp and abandoned by our CCP fleet commanders to do the same. |

Gemini Nightshines
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:03:00 -
[184] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:LULZ, I guess this was CCP's peace offering to the CFC scrubs for the missed titan kills the other day in KW-I6T. I'm so glad I don't do Live Events. Here's a tip guys - if there is ever another Live Event with a null sec destination system, then fully expect a repeat performance.
I can only hope it doesn't put off hi sec players from thinking of eventually moving to null, as the vast majority of null sec space (outside of circle jerk staging systems) is pretty empty, TiDi free and can be great for solo/small gang roams and fights.
Meow meow. I've seen some High Sec folks take it all in stride and display a positive attitude. So there is hope for a few space-adventurers out there.
So just to add to what Kinis said, if you're reading all the anger and shrug your shoulders, or have a laugh about it all; come on out to low and/or null sec and really start playing EVE. It's more fun and there are pretty explosions.
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Jaffinator
Fairweather Ice Cream Co Insidious Empire
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:03:00 -
[185] - Quote
Petar Harad wrote:Was I expecting it to go into Low/Null sec? yes. Was I expecting to die at this event? Yes. Was I expecting to have to travel for nearly two hours through 10% TIDI? No!
And that's what put me of at this event. I don't mind to die in this game, I don't expect any fight to be 'fair', but travelling only to hear the event is actually over before you arrive, is no fun at all.
I think it was organised this way to show the utter incompetence of the empires compared to organised capsuleer organisations. If that's correct, then this event was a success. But not fun for me personally.
So you expected there wouldn't be 10% TiDi in an event for all of Eve to take part in despite the TiDi that's happened in past events and any time 1000+ players get together anywhere but Jita/Amarr? |

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
21
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:03:00 -
[186] - Quote
Spring HeeledJack wrote:Draugo Rana wrote:Konrad Kane wrote:Looks like we ruined your game.
Op success. Good for you. Wasn't because any abundance of skills or wits. Guess some people need to brag no matter what... OP SUCCESS \o/ Further kill interest in Live Events
OP SUCCESS \o/ |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
225
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:04:00 -
[187] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:Aja Jinn wrote: Screw all you whiners!! I had a choice today to either go outside and rake leaves, or fly with a fleet to null sec. Guess what? I chose Null sec. I got on a couple of kills, got podded, had fun. So quit whining and get another ship and get back out there. Or send all your stuff to me and I'll give it away to people that aren't world class crybabys like all you losers.
OK, I feel better now.
You are the first Highsec player that admitted you have fun. Props, you're winning EvE. If you want to spice up your space life, you are more than welcome to come out and fly with us.
I am chiefly a high sec pilot and had a blast...i died so what I had insurance...clean clone had fun going on an adventure even if I lost. At least Im man enough to accept defeat. |

Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
27
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:05:00 -
[188] - Quote
Fineesd Miromme wrote:Jon Deepspace wrote:What did I miss? Bunch of Hi-secers getting blown to bits by nullies evidently. Too bad we missed it.
Aren't you guys supposed to, by definition, quit Brave Newbies immediately the second you start tooting your own PvP horn like the average Goon clone?
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
98
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:06:00 -
[189] - Quote
Forgetting for the moment that CCP either deliberately or through incompetence led their fleet into a slaughter.
How can struggling to get into a system, being given no information, eventually finding out through twitter where the next system was, spending over an hour stuck in TDI SLOOOOW and then arriving to discover that the rest of the fleet had left and been slaughtered like animals with no idea what the hell it was all for. Be fun?
Sure, tell people bring your strongest ships, be prepared for the battle of your life,and move everyone into the system, works for the test server,Why not live events, then a glorious battle, each fleet marked as friend or foe and good fight had by all. Instead you end up leading innocents to their extermination.
How is this fun, the Null residents must have found it totally boring, Of course there are those who think standing on a kittens head is fun and makes them strong but no help for those.
Back to the first sentence. If you can't do these events properly Just fire the organisers and hire people who can. |

CaptSummers
Unlawful Unit Initiative Mercenaries
9
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:07:00 -
[190] - Quote
All I see is carebears crying about not being able to to anything... grow up... let it be in game and in out game, learn to play and get a damn life..
Op success... thx CCP |
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Michael Turate
The Scope Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:08:00 -
[191] - Quote
Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.
Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself. |

Plane Walkerz
Crimson Reavers
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:08:00 -
[192] - Quote
I find it incredibly funny that no one thought to form up in lowsec and hot drop in to the systems. |

tC Jeff
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:08:00 -
[193] - Quote
Thanks for the great event CCP |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 -
[194] - Quote
To all you null secers not understanding the issue here!
This is not an issue with dieing, this is not an issue with TiDi. this is not an issue with bubbles or null sec mechanics.
This is simply an issue of not delivering on a promise.
When CCP says "Live Event" that sets certain expectations into play. When CCP fails on those explanations then THAT is the issue.
If I was signing up for a dangerous mission through dangerous territory and died in a ball of fire thats OK! If I was signing up for a trip into null sec and got owned then that's OK! If I was signing up for a massive fleet fight and due to the sheer mass of it then we were all TiDi'd to all hell then thats OK!
Those situations are all fine, but today those of us that logged on to partake in a Live Event and got anything but a Live Event ... that's the issue at hand.
A Live Event is not hours of TiDi travel! A Live Event is not hours of directionless mayhem with no input from those running the event.
You all think we are a bunch of whiners, however you just happen to see our forums. I know from personal experience there is plenty of whining going on behind the Goons forums. "Wha! This FC did this! Wha! This FC did that!"
Imagine spending hours following an FC around in 10% TiDi then you don't get to shoot anything and it was ALL ON PURPOSE by the FC ... then come back to us and say Yes I am fine wasting hours of my time doing nothing of importance on purpose! |

Faceless Parmala
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 -
[195] - Quote
So am I the onlyone who had fun? |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
226
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 -
[196] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Forgetting for the moment that CCP either deliberately or through incompetence led their fleet into a slaughter.
How can struggling to get into a system, being given no information, eventually finding out through twitter where the next system was, spending over an hour stuck in TDI SLOOOOW and then arriving to discover that the rest of the fleet had left and been slaughtered like animals with no idea what the hell it was all for. Be fun?
Sure, tell people bring your strongest ships, be prepared for the battle of your life,and move everyone into the system, works for the test server,Why not live events, then a glorious battle, each fleet marked as friend or foe and good fight had by all. Instead you end up leading innocents to their extermination.
How is this fun, the Null residents must have found it totally boring, Of course there are those who think standing on a kittens head is fun and makes them strong but no help for those.
Back to the first sentence. If you can't do these events properly Just fire the organisers and hire people who can.
If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
226
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:10:00 -
[197] - Quote
Faceless Parmala wrote:So am I the onlyone who had fun?
Nope I had a ******* blast...even though I died :D It was a good day to die! |

Petar Harad
Sebiestor Tribe
97
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:11:00 -
[198] - Quote
Jaffinator wrote:Petar Harad wrote:Was I expecting it to go into Low/Null sec? yes. Was I expecting to die at this event? Yes. Was I expecting to have to travel for nearly two hours through 10% TIDI? No!
And that's what put me of at this event. I don't mind to die in this game, I don't expect any fight to be 'fair', but travelling only to hear the event is actually over before you arrive, is no fun at all.
I think it was organised this way to show the utter incompetence of the empires compared to organised capsuleer organisations. If that's correct, then this event was a success. But not fun for me personally.
So you expected there wouldn't be 10% TiDi in an event for all of Eve to take part in despite the TiDi that's happened in past events and any time 1000+ players get together anywhere but Jita/Amarr? I expected the Tidi alright, I just didn't expect to have to jump 20+ systems to get to the actual destination, 15 of which were at 10-15% Tidi.
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Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:11:00 -
[199] - Quote
Michael Turate wrote:Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.
Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself.
No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story? |

Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
43
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:12:00 -
[200] - Quote
Tidi? It's just a game mechanic to make sure all buttons clicked do what they were told.
I for one enjoyed the fun, because we engaged an organized fleet flying doctrine ships with a kitchen sink fleet and we still had some nice kills. Hell, I even got a final blow on some unlucky pilot. It was cool. Poorly organized maybe, but still fun.
And props to our FC, he did a great job. |
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Lolita Troublemaker
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:12:00 -
[201] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:To all you null secers not understanding the issue here!
This is not an issue with dieing, this is not an issue with TiDi. this is not an issue with bubbles or null sec mechanics.
This is simply an issue of not delivering on a promise.
When CCP says "Live Event" that sets certain expectations into play. When CCP fails on those explanations then THAT is the issue.
If I was signing up for a dangerous mission through dangerous territory and died in a ball of fire thats OK! If I was signing up for a trip into null sec and got owned then that's OK! If I was signing up for a massive fleet fight and due to the sheer mass of it then we were all TiDi'd to all hell then thats OK!
Those situations are all fine, but today those of us that logged on to partake in a Live Event and got anything but a Live Event ... that's the issue at hand.
A Live Event is not hours of TiDi travel! A Live Event is not hours of directionless mayhem with no input from those running the event.
You all think we are a bunch of whiners, however you just happen to see our forums. I know from personal experience there is plenty of whining going on behind the Goons forums. "Wha! This FC did this! Wha! This FC did that!"
Imagine spending hours following an FC around in 10% TiDi then you don't get to shoot anything and it was ALL ON PURPOSE by the FC ... then come back to us and say Yes I am fine wasting hours of my time doing nothing of importance on purpose!
This all day long.
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CaptSummers
Unlawful Unit Initiative Mercenaries
9
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:12:00 -
[202] - Quote
Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up
Aerieth wrote:Michael Turate wrote:Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.
Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself. No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story?
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
99
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:13:00 -
[203] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Forgetting for the moment that CCP either deliberately or through incompetence led their fleet into a slaughter.
How can struggling to get into a system, being given no information, eventually finding out through twitter where the next system was, spending over an hour stuck in TDI SLOOOOW and then arriving to discover that the rest of the fleet had left and been slaughtered like animals with no idea what the hell it was all for. Be fun?
Sure, tell people bring your strongest ships, be prepared for the battle of your life,and move everyone into the system, works for the test server,Why not live events, then a glorious battle, each fleet marked as friend or foe and good fight had by all. Instead you end up leading innocents to their extermination.
How is this fun, the Null residents must have found it totally boring, Of course there are those who think standing on a kittens head is fun and makes them strong but no help for those.
Back to the first sentence. If you can't do these events properly Just fire the organisers and hire people who can. If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
Sorry I just don't like incompetence amusing, or being led to the slaughter, I came prepared for a good fight expecting a clusterfrack from CCP I just Didn't realise how badly they could screw up.
PS never even got to the fight with all the TDI I couldn't even get there.
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Noh Way
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 -
[204] - Quote
Why fail alone when you can failscade with your friends? We were there, had a blast, and died in a fire in the end. Join us. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
226
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 -
[205] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:To all you null secers not understanding the issue here!
This is not an issue with dieing, this is not an issue with TiDi. this is not an issue with bubbles or null sec mechanics.
This is simply an issue of not delivering on a promise.
When CCP says "Live Event" that sets certain expectations into play. When CCP fails on those explanations then THAT is the issue.
If I was signing up for a dangerous mission through dangerous territory and died in a ball of fire thats OK! If I was signing up for a trip into null sec and got owned then that's OK! If I was signing up for a massive fleet fight and due to the sheer mass of it then we were all TiDi'd to all hell then thats OK!
Those situations are all fine, but today those of us that logged on to partake in a Live Event and got anything but a Live Event ... that's the issue at hand.
A Live Event is not hours of TiDi travel! A Live Event is not hours of directionless mayhem with no input from those running the event.
You all think we are a bunch of whiners, however you just happen to see our forums. I know from personal experience there is plenty of whining going on behind the Goons forums. "Wha! This FC did this! Wha! This FC did that!"
Imagine spending hours following an FC around in 10% TiDi then you don't get to shoot anything and it was ALL ON PURPOSE by the FC ... then come back to us and say Yes I am fine wasting hours of my time doing nothing of importance on purpose!
Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here? |

Fineesd Miromme
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 -
[206] - Quote
Noh Way wrote:Why fail alone when you can failscade with your friends? We were there, had a blast, and died in a fire in the end. Join us.
Join Us. You know you want too. Don't be afraid of the Failside...I mean Darkside. |

Klister Ethelred
Parallax Shift The Periphery
15
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:16:00 -
[207] - Quote
I haven't been mad at CCP yet...not a bittervet. I think the devs here do a pretty good job compared to some other MMOs I might name.
But this event...ugh.
What a complete waste of time. The bulk of the fleet never even made it to the site because of dozens of jumps at 10% tidi. The CCP rep left the second staging area while all the battleships were still 40 minutes of 10% tidi away.
Why do that? I cannot fathom what made you think that was a good idea. Why hold the event 20+ jumps away from the staging site? Do you hate us? Do you want to frustrate us by holding an event in such a way that most of the people who show up won't be able to participate? |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
5
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:16:00 -
[208] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:Aja Jinn wrote: Screw all you whiners!! I had a choice today to either go outside and rake leaves, or fly with a fleet to null sec. Guess what? I chose Null sec. I got on a couple of kills, got podded, had fun. So quit whining and get another ship and get back out there. Or send all your stuff to me and I'll give it away to people that aren't world class crybabys like all you losers.
OK, I feel better now.
You are the first Highsec player that admitted you have fun. Props, you're winning EvE. If you want to spice up your space life, you are more than welcome to come out and fly with us.
Your head is so far up your belief system, it's funny!
Lots of us rant not because it was 0.0 (else lots of us old Null-Low-K space bears would just not have gone in if we feared loose a tiny pixel parts to your assisted drones...).
We rant because:
1 - Piwte side did not get to fly 20+ system in tidi.... (man I would have enjoyed reading your post about having to cross Camps while following a gam.... oh sorry DEVswarm ally right! (sarcasm) and your FC did not do his job...)
2 - It's official CCP event, be nice to the newby (i ain't, wasn't expecting that, I killed newbs, gave them the pod express too) but for FS it was easy to add : "expect to die!!! We just can't do organized stuff since we are drunken Scandinavians! Yarr!"
3 - besides Beenies and goonies this was 2h of time wasted. (20+ jump of people in none reinforced nodes, server time out messages, etc) You guys had to wait... throw a few--- correct that assign once then sleep... Time is not money but you can't get that time back and eve is one of the worst grind out there (except for Diablo3) maybe... Now a new event grind TIDI! |

Mister Marram
The Tuskers
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:18:00 -
[209] - Quote
Noh Way wrote:Why fail alone when you can failscade with your friends? We were there, had a blast, and died in a fire in the end. Join us.
BNI Talwar conga line was pretty funny.
Side note: The self entitlement in this forum is making my eyes bleed, HTFU. |

scimichar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:19:00 -
[210] - Quote
Octoven wrote:
Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 -
[211] - Quote
Klister Ethelred wrote:I haven't been mad at CCP yet...not a bittervet. I think the devs here do a pretty good job compared to some other MMOs I might name.
But this event...ugh.
What a complete waste of time. The bulk of the fleet never even made it to the site because of dozens of jumps at 10% tidi. The CCP rep left the second staging area while all the battleships were still 40 minutes of 10% tidi away.
Why do that? I cannot fathom what made you think that was a good idea. Why hold the event 20+ jumps away from the staging site? Do you hate us? Do you want to frustrate us by holding an event in such a way that most of the people who show up won't be able to participate?
To be fair here, you KNEW that live events create severe TiDi...hell just sitting in Jita can. Yet you choose to fly a battleship that is less maneuverable, slow, and likely will die fast in bubbles. You can't really blame CCP for choosing the wrong ship here. |

Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 -
[212] - Quote
Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?"
...What the hell?
Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 -
[213] - Quote
CaptSummers wrote:Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up Aerieth wrote:Michael Turate wrote:Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.
Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself. No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story?
FIGHT being the key word ... you don't get to fight. You have to spend hours of your life flying through 10% TiDi in HIGH SEC! |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:22:00 -
[214] - Quote
And don't you all forget there is another TIDI grind on SISI this weekend!!! Go and help!!! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:23:00 -
[215] - Quote
Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?" ...What the hell? Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time.
The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.
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Xuse Senna
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
754
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:24:00 -
[216] - Quote
Oh btw
I got over 50 kills, And I ain't no Nullsec Power bloc |

Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp La Division Bleue
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:25:00 -
[217] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?" ...What the hell? Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time. The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.
So..... how often have you travel with TIDI lag and client to server lag over geoscape? 5 sec here and there... goes to a few minutes in the end.
The 1st wave to hit the gate did not get tidi, the 2nd did and then cascade!!!! |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:25:00 -
[218] - Quote
Octoven wrote:[quote=Aerieth]Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
Yes TiDi is a feature used to allow massive fleet fights. Fleet fights are fun, massive fleet fights are also fun even when slow. Travelling through High sec is not fun, traveling through High sec for hours in TiDi is even more not fun. The post from CCP said "inviting all capsuleers to join them in this assault and bring down what they claim is a threat to the entire cluster" not "Hey all come have fun flying REALLY slowly through space for hours for NO REASON!"
I said the issue isn't with TiDi and it isn't.
The issue is with hours of TiDi travel through highsec. |

Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
27
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:26:00 -
[219] - Quote
Ok, so let me get it straight -
All the people who came to the event hoping to participate in something interesting, maybe a bit different than their daily activities, get some fights that may be actually related to the game's lore for a change. Then traveled 20 systems in 10% TiDi only to miss the actual point of the event, didn't enjoy it.
All the people who were already around, didn't have to do anything more than press F1 or assign drones, did enjoy the event.
Now the second group honestly believes that if they repeat enough times "grow up" and "learn to play" to the first group, they can actually convince them that they DID really enjoy the event despite what they say or at least they WILL enjoy next time they need to spend 2 hours for nothing staring at space at a slow motion.
Did I miss anything?
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Zuki Stargazer
Harrington Logistics and Combat Support
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:26:00 -
[220] - Quote
Whatever it was: It was not fun. And I do not mean the TiDi and the 23 jumps or the lawnmowing in Doril.... I mean the inability of a heck lot of people - including me - to participate in this. After TiDi and 23 jumps. I started from Sarum Prime on the first announcement - which was well before the announced starting time and when I arrived at the second point, first waves of (smaller and faster ships) were already resting in pieces and word was spread about the camp. No more CCP around. And not as in: "I need Pampers, where's CCP" but as in "Wait for further instruction when you arrive." The little I know about large fleet actions is that you do not start sh*t unless people call you "boss".
I have no idea what would have been the final outcome of a massive battleship-fleet jumping into that situation, not enough experience in the matter here, but I would have died happily trying. I could have told folks in the office tomorrow about my shiny expensive ship being blown to crap in the middle of the finest fireworks seen in months. And: I am used to losing ships. To stupidity, lack of skill, rule / game mechanics knowledge and if this wouldn't be fun (in a way), I'd have stopped playing a long, long time ago.
But today I didn't lose a ship.
I just lost an evening. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:28:00 -
[221] - Quote
Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Octoven wrote:Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.
I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?" ...What the hell? Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time. The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc. So..... how often have you travel with TIDI lag and client to server lag over geoscape? 5 sec here and there... goes to a few minutes in the end. The 1st wave to hit the gate did not get tidi, the 2nd did and then cascade!!!!
All I know is i actually did show up on time, I sat next to the FC, I flew a decently fast ship, and I moved on his order as he gave them. The most amazing thing happened. I arrived at the facility as the FC did. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:28:00 -
[222] - Quote
scimichar wrote:Octoven wrote:
Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead.
A Live Event is not hours of TiDi TRAVEL! I said TRAVEL! You can't just cut out half my sentence and then question my quote. TiDi in fights is an amazing feature. 20 jumps of TiDi is ********. I'm not saying you should turn TiDi off. I'm saying this isn't the first massive event and CCP should have been aware telling people to gather 20 jumps from where they would eventually need to be would be a major issue! |

Lord Valian
The Forgotten Navy Gentlemen's Agreement
48
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:30:00 -
[223] - Quote
Thank you for joining the party.
http://i.imgur.com/2hyrGtj.png |

Civ Kado
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:32:00 -
[224] - Quote
I would like to apologize on behalve of BNI and Brave Collective for the CEO and the other idiotic members who are using this opportunity to troll as if people are complaining about the PvP and not the lack of organization that occured in the event. |

s4ngu Daphiti
hirr RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:33:00 -
[225] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:
10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime)
10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal)
Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention
...
There is allways TiDi if hundrets of players all jump into the same system...
CCP, thank you very much for this event. It was my first and i liked it :)
Good job guys :) |

Constantin Baracca
197
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:33:00 -
[226] - Quote
I'm glad CCP doesn't care at all about my timezone. This mess started when I was working and was already called off and over by the time I got ready to leave.
And it looks like I missed CCP screwing the people whose timezone they do care about. Lovely. |

Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:34:00 -
[227] - Quote
I think its funny how you low/null sec corps are gloating. Had CCP waited for the 2,000 pilots on the way to join the OP, you wouldnt have stud a chance, but the nodes couldnt handle the amount of pilots (which CCP knew would be high). I still don't know why they would put a staging location 23 jumps away with the amount of tidi there was. To me thats just madness. We all fully intended to lose our ships, just not this way. The game was so slow it was unplayable. CCP had pilots asking them to wait and they just ignored them as half of peoples fleets were missing.
Why didn't they just call the event ''High sec vs Low/Null sec''? At least people would had know what they were getting themselves in to.
All this turned out to be was really bad communication from CCP and they have damaged their game because of it .
You guys in null/low, the game wouldnt run without the people in high sec yet you slag them off!
I do think the EVE community is the most resiliant community of all. You seem to take so much crap from CCP, then shake their hands after.
All that this has shown is their lack of respect for their community, They haven't even appoligized. I think the community in this game is the best out of any MMO I have played. dont shake CCPs hand for something they got wrong. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:35:00 -
[228] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:scimichar wrote:Octoven wrote:
Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead. A Live Event is not hours of TiDi TRAVEL! I said TRAVEL! You can't just cut out half my sentence and then question my quote. TiDi in fights is an amazing feature. 20 jumps of TiDi is ********. I'm not saying you should turn TiDi off. I'm saying this isn't the first massive event and CCP should have been aware telling people to gather 20 jumps from where they would eventually need to be would be a major issue!
See normally I would buy that, BUT you were sort of given an idea of the destination. MD or Utopia. Utopia is closer to Sarum Prime, even though the final destination was changed it was only 2 jumps from original. You could easily have anticipated this and began to move in that direction. I went from Sarum Prime to Ihal like everyone else and took the 23 safe jumps...I only experienced 10% TiDi in 3 systems enroute.
The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it. |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
1161
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:35:00 -
[229] - Quote
This is happening in incursion community after it lost ~200 cheap ships. |

Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
208
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:36:00 -
[230] - Quote
I arrived in RMOC with my alt at 19:20 UTC, nothing was there, it was a lie by CCP. I think i'll ignore future "events" as they seems to be FAKE.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
227
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:38:00 -
[231] - Quote
Spc One wrote:I arrived in RMOC with my alt at 19:20 UTC, nothing was there, it was a lie by CCP. I think i'll ignore future "events" as they seems to be FAKE.
Excellent, this should help reduce TiDi in future events as well  |

FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
8
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:39:00 -
[232] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/n8dNIkJ.gif
all i can say about this event |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
378
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:43:00 -
[233] - Quote
all i can say is:
to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.
yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.
Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.
most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can be ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:46:00 -
[234] - Quote
Octoven wrote: The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it.
Right it's our fault for listening to CCP and going to the staging system? Next time your FC says "ok we are heading to XYZ-123 so stage up at ABC-456" and you just fly straight to XYZ-123 and let me know how it goes?
Also it's even worse if CCP seriously expected us to TRICKLE into Null Sec. We got our butts handed to us when we mobbed towards the destination (not an issue, just a statement) but could you imagine the limitless massacre as we all lined up in an orderly fashion towards the gate camps? |

1991 Dragon
The Romantics
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
[235] - Quote
Was looking forward to this event, glad IRL events prevented me from showing up now lol. I had no idea what to expect I was going to use my prized CNR. (I'm a fairly new noob, only 10m SP)
Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day? |

Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:48:00 -
[236] - Quote
after years and years Pitboss decided that since it's a CCP event it will be finally safe for him to go into null sec
he steps in meekly, holding big CCPs hand
let's go look at the first post in this thread and see how his first real EVE experience went |

Constantin Baracca
197
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:50:00 -
[237] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:all i can say is:
to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.
yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.
Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.
most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions.
I think the problem is that most people didn't know what was going on, where they were going or what they were doing until they got there. There are several things CCP could have done to make this work, not the least of which would be to create a separate, instanced area that was "jumped" into, or having Imperial ships clear out the gate camps, or any number of ways other games have demonstrated excellent event handling. Probably the worst thing would be to ask hisec players to jump on after work, tell them at the last minute that they were going to nullsec, and then **** off.
That doesn't make those hisec players who showed up not knowing what to expect hate their empires or CONCORD, it makes them angry at CCP. If they'd wanted to make players angry at their empires or CONCORD, they should have gotten them to the event target area, then betrayed them once they got there. From what I'm reading, this whole thing was an administrative screw-up on CCP's end.
Unless they just didn't want anyone participating in events anymore. I can already tell that the reduction in turnout for the next event will be significant. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 -
[238] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:all i can say is:
to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.
Complaining about this IS tears ... so enjoy!
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.
Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.
That would be awesome ... if CCP was there with us as CONCORD leading us into the fray and dying alongside us. CCP showed up for 2 minutes and said "Go here" and then no sign of ANYONE. This doesn't make us mad at "CONCORD" for sending us to our death at the hands of Null Sec power blocs this makes us mad at CCP for screwing up the event.
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions, its all the same to us!
Again I have no issue with the power blocs taking the opportunity to do some carebear killing. Congratulations to them. I know if I was in their shoes I would have done the same. |

Bobmich Crobnich
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 -
[239] - Quote
This was my first major fleet action - even within EVE Uni as I'd been training skills until I realized I could do something semi-useful. I knew that my ship was gonna be a throwaway, and after doing mostly PvE stuff I knew that I was going to get podded and prepared as such. Fact was, even though it was a turkey shoot and I got blapped in the end, I did have a laugh when it got to the 'fish in a barrel' point and everything onscreen was lazors, smartbombs and the sound of death. I even managed to get a lot of shots off and did work as EWAR before my Maller bit the dust, despite staying at 10% structure for a good 20 mins. Nullsec was fun!
Main point though, is that this wasn't meant to be about nullsec, it was about a storyline event that apparently was over before my fleet even got on station (I was in the Meves fleet). Our livestreamer/scout told us things were cleaned up and the station was looted whilst we were still a good 4 jumps away, before the Goons snuffed him out. The organization, especially getting the involved parties on station was very poor, I've barely started in this game, and I do intend to attend more live events, maybe even cover them, but this was a fail when it came to what the whole thing was about in the first place, and more a case of 'We have 200 people and insurance policies, might as well make use of them!' |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
454
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:52:00 -
[240] - Quote
1991 Dragon wrote:Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day? You didn't miss anything... It was a null-sec pinata fest. |
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Luca Lure
Obertura
4
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:53:00 -
[241] - Quote
CaptSummers wrote:Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up Aerieth wrote:Michael Turate wrote:Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.
Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself. No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story?
Indeed. Grow up summerboy. Then go to school and learn to read. For the person you quoted the biggest problem is the lack of any communication from CCP. I thought it was stupid as well, because there was no normal communication. To use twitter, while having your own application to communicate is dumm. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
228
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:53:00 -
[242] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:Octoven wrote: The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it.
Right it's our fault for listening to CCP and going to the staging system? Next time your FC says "ok we are heading to XYZ-123 so stage up at ABC-456" and you just fly straight to XYZ-123 and let me know how it goes? Also it's even worse if CCP seriously expected us to TRICKLE into Null Sec. We got our butts handed to us when we mobbed towards the destination (not an issue, just a statement) but could you imagine the limitless massacre as we all lined up in an orderly fashion towards the gate camps?
First off no I cant imagine the FC scenario because typically FCs do not operate with 3000 players, thus they dont worry about needing to space those players over multiple systems to prevent TiDi.
Secondly, CCP never expected or asked us to TRICKLE into Null Sec, the request was to Trickle from Sarum Prime 1.0 to Ihal 0.5 Once everyone were there we could then proceed to travel together. |

Skarsi Wyrdmake
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:54:00 -
[243] - Quote
Hmmm.... my thought on this whole kerfuffle......
On the event itself:
Expected lots of PvP
expected ship to go boom and die
expected tidi in travel
Did not expect:
very little to no communication, coming either via completely spammed local chat or twitter
to be told "go X system for the event" only to be subsequantly told "now go to y system, 23 jumps away" and then driven into the most obvious bottleneck in eve straight through the most dangerous part of nullsec where most of nullsec was waiting. (whether they had been forewarned... who knows)
Good Side: had a nice chat with corp mates.
overall rating: the event itself sucked massively.
on what i did afterwards:
Roamed Doril after the event was over, and enjoyed exploring it. a somewhat thanks to all the nullsec guys who either saw or passed by me and didnt shoot me or anything. Really enjoyed exploring somewhere i dont really get to go to. Got spooked by the massive swarm of apocalypse navy issues that warped to near the gate about 30 secs after i jumped in.
irony of it: went through another gate..... got camped. oh well. cheap ship, easily replaced.
overall verdict: had fun in nullsec.
and goons..... well they were just being goons. |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:55:00 -
[244] - Quote
1991 Dragon wrote:Was looking forward to this event, glad IRL events prevented me from showing up now lol. I had no idea what to expect I was going to use my prized CNR. (I'm a fairly new noob, only 10m SP)
Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day?
Gallente fleets made it to system and fought and well died. I do not know how many was able to break back to empire space. |

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
176
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:55:00 -
[245] - Quote
Faife wrote:after years and years Pitboss decided that since it's a CCP event it will be finally safe for him to go into null sec
he steps in meekly, holding big CCPs hand
let's go look at the first post in this thread and see how his first real EVE experience went
I live among you ... you just need to take your head out of your boyfriends lap to notice 
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Judas Lonestar
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
27
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:56:00 -
[246] - Quote
I love all the nullbears putting on their game face and acting tough.
Hey nullbears, can we take away your Local now?
Thats what I thought carebears. :)
Poorly ran event. Not all that impressed. The HS Titan event was **** man, but this one got dropped on the floor CCP |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
454
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:59:00 -
[247] - Quote
Judas Lonestar wrote:Hey nullbears, can we take away your Local now? Thats what I thought carebears. :) Touche'. |

Menaiya Zamayid
Hejaz Industries Executive Outcomes
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:00:00 -
[248] - Quote
When the heck is CCP EVER GOING TO DO AN EVENT ON THE WEEKEND. I am sick and tired of missing all the events. USTZ once again got SCREWED. |

Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
98
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:01:00 -
[249] - Quote
Octoven wrote:See normally I would buy that, BUT you were sort of given an idea of the destination. MD or Utopia.
Didn't know what you were on here, but thought better check facts. I missed this post from CCP Eterne entirely. I also missed they have created new chat channels for their events. Hmm, kinda explains the lack of information on my part.
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Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:02:00 -
[250] - Quote
Octoven wrote:First off no I cant imagine the FC scenario because typically FCs do not operate with 3000 players, thus they dont worry about needing to space those players over multiple systems to prevent TiDi.
Yes but CCP should have known there would be a 3000 player turn out and planned for it.
Octoven wrote: Secondly, CCP never expected or asked us to TRICKLE into Null Sec, the request was to Trickle from Sarum Prime 1.0 to Ihal 0.5 Once everyone were there we could then proceed to travel together.
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Fair. However CCP was not there in Ihal to lead onward. CCP should have been the FC in this case and we were let down by our FC and now we are upset. |
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Kroaky Oke
Old Spot PissPots Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:06:00 -
[251] - Quote
[quote=CaptSummers]Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up
and this is why a lot of people wont go to null sec .... not everyone wants to play in slow motion |

Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:06:00 -
[252] - Quote
Dear Nul people
Nobody cares about losing their ships, everyone that went to the event expected their ship would get blown up. It didn't matter if it was happening in high, low, or nul it was always going to end in a free for all, so stop congratulating yourselves, its a bit sad taking the credit for this. By the time we got the length of your fleets we were strung out half way across empire space and most just wanted to get blown up so the whole stupid ordeal would be over. A lot of people self destructed before jumping into nul, I thought I'd jump in and have a few seconds of action after all the time I wasted getting there because I had nothing to lose, but after reading the hollow boasting on here I see why people would rather not give you the satisfaction of a kill report. Your not the ones harvesting tears here, we were trolled by CCP, i'd just like to know why a company that wants to stay in business thinks it's a good idea to troll their own customers?
This whole event was staged to make high sec players into cannon fodder for nulsec alliances, they did everything possible to ensure we would be completely helpless when we got there, and they made sure we didn't know we were going to nulsec until it was too late to turn back. I'm disgusted tbh |

Amplify Poljus
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:09:00 -
[253] - Quote
This was my first event ever and it was a total blast. Not joking. I was running with a RvB fleet and when we weren't burning to escape bubbles we were blowing people up. We sat at one gate and watched a live stream of the **** on the other side. About 3 seconds after we reached the target destination CCP goes "Events over of have fun with your FFA" and then I got podded in about 5 seconds. |

Lajos Perseus
Conquering Darkness
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:12:00 -
[254] - Quote
13 page post and not 1 dev chiming in yet? Lol
My question to all you fine folks? Aren't live events supposed to have some type of meaning to them? Hmm. Sounds like ccp feed you to the nullseccers. You jumped into a gate camp you say? Lol!
What dd you guys expect? You jumped into null you were killed. I understand there was no event content. Ccp deliberately fed you to the beast deal with it because that was the intentions. Now the nullseccers can plex easier.
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Kroaky Oke
Old Spot PissPots Inc
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:13:00 -
[255] - Quote
Fourteen Maken wrote:Dear Nul people
Nobody cares about losing their ships, everyone that went to the event expected their ship would get blown up. It didn't matter if it was happening in high, low, or nul it was always going to end in a free for all, so stop congratulating yourselves, its a bit sad taking the credit for this. By the time we got the length of your fleets we were strung out half way across empire space and most just wanted to get blown up so the whole stupid ordeal would be over. A lot of people self destructed before jumping into nul, I thought I'd jump in and have a few seconds of action after all the time I wasted getting there because I had nothing to lose, but after reading the hollow boasting on here I see why people would rather not give you the satisfaction of a kill report. Your not the ones harvesting tears here, we were trolled by CCP, i'd just like to know why a company that wants to stay in business thinks it's a good idea to troll their own customers?
This whole event was staged to make high sec players into cannon fodder for nulsec alliances, they did everything possible to ensure we would be completely helpless when we got there, and they made sure we didn't know we were going to nulsec until it was too late to turn back. I'm disgusted tbh
i made it to the target system ( late thanks to tidi) , and then made it home again .... i'm a bit dissapointed the nullbears didnt get my hyperion , it was built to die |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:18:00 -
[256] - Quote
Lajos Perseus wrote:13 page post and not 1 dev chiming in yet? Lol
My question to all you fine folks? Aren't live events supposed to have some type of meaning to them? Hmm. Sounds like ccp feed you to the nullseccers. You jumped into a gate camp you say? Lol!
What dd you guys expect? You jumped into null you were killed. I understand there was no event content. Ccp deliberately fed you to the beast deal with it because that was the intentions. Now the nullseccers can plex easier.
So empire is losing? |

Countess Lamorei
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:18:00 -
[257] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:Octoven wrote:First off no I cant imagine the FC scenario because typically FCs do not operate with 3000 players, thus they dont worry about needing to space those players over multiple systems to prevent TiDi.
Yes but CCP should have known there would be a 3000 player turn out and planned for it. Octoven wrote: Secondly, CCP never expected or asked us to TRICKLE into Null Sec, the request was to Trickle from Sarum Prime 1.0 to Ihal 0.5 Once everyone were there we could then proceed to travel together.
Fair. However CCP was not there in Ihal to lead onward. CCP should have been the FC in this case and we were let down by our FC and now we are upset.
erm.. CCP were in charge of one of the fleets, 2 NPC's were in the one that went to Doril, people in fleet all knew of the camp ahead, many were asking for him to wait for everyone in fleet to arrive and other reinforcements. It was the ccp FC who gave the order to jump in and not fire and burn away from the bubbles that he knew were there. Ranged cfc fleet had a turkey shoot because of the CCP fc's orders. |

MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:19:00 -
[258] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:Farelle wrote:Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? On Live Events channel ISD announced that after attack was successfully repelled and base saved, pirates destroyed their own base. I was amused.
Yeah. I was watching with a scout. Also set off with a bomber from the HS rally point.
Hardly anyone who set out from Sarum made it there though - a couple hours travelling in tidi, then no way through the absolutely predictable bottleneck gate camp.
At the time the event finished, there were just 200-300 in local - most of the combat being a darkside cerb fleet and the initiative in nagas (or the other way round?). However, Dorrill/Sendaya and so on had quite a few thousand between them. |

Cornwalace
Den Industrial Partners Dissonant Harmonics
5
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:20:00 -
[259] - Quote
Lajos Perseus wrote: Now the nullseccers can plex easier.
You do your thing with complex's , and we do our own thing with incursions. I don't see how we were encroaching on null and the meatshield for null, provided by ccp, made it easier.
|

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
455
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:24:00 -
[260] - Quote
Can Goons FC the next live event? At least they seem to know what the **** they're doing... |
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Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
48
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:24:00 -
[261] - Quote
Countess Lamorei wrote: erm.. CCP were in charge of one of the fleets, 2 NPC's were in the one that went to Doril, people in fleet all knew of the camp ahead, many were asking for him to wait for everyone in fleet to arrive and other reinforcements. It was the ccp FC who gave the order to jump in and not fire and burn away from the bubbles that he knew were there. Ranged cfc fleet had a turkey shoot because of the CCP fc's orders.
My point exactly |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
46
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:25:00 -
[262] - Quote
haha look at all these dumb hisec pubbies whining about tidi and bad mechanics welcome to EVE |

Lajos Perseus
Conquering Darkness
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:27:00 -
[263] - Quote
Elfi Wolfe wrote:Lajos Perseus wrote:13 page post and not 1 dev chiming in yet? Lol
My question to all you fine folks? Aren't live events supposed to have some type of meaning to them? Hmm. Sounds like ccp feed you to the nullseccers. You jumped into a gate camp you say? Lol!
What dd you guys expect? You jumped into null you were killed. I understand there was no event content. Ccp deliberately fed you to the beast deal with it because that was the intentions. Now the nullseccers can plex easier.
So empire is losing?
Empire has lost! |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
48
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:27:00 -
[264] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:haha look at all these dumb hisec pubbies whining about tidi and bad mechanics welcome to EVE
Haha look at these dumb nullsec bittervets not having a clue what we are complaining about. |

Makalu Zarya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
142
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:28:00 -
[265] - Quote
holy **** high sec carebear pubby tears...this thread is definitely going places. |

Plentath
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:28:00 -
[266] - Quote
You're all going to be even more annoyed when you realise the people who turned your fleet into a turkey shoot were AFK.
Drone assist isn't broken at all. |

Marikitus
Dis0wned
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:29:00 -
[267] - Quote
more tears please     
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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
144
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:29:00 -
[268] - Quote
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:Farelle wrote:Can people confirm that the CCP controlled Pirates self distructed? That the events out come was predetermined? On Live Events channel ISD announced that after attack was successfully repelled and base saved, pirates destroyed their own base. I was amused. Yeah. I was watching with a scout. Also set off with a bomber from the HS rally point. Hardly anyone who set out from Sarum made it there though - a couple hours travelling in tidi, then no way through the absolutely predictable bottleneck gate camp. At the time the event finished, there were just 200-300 in local - most of the combat being a darkside cerb fleet and the initiative in nagas (or the other way round?). However, Dorrill/Sendaya and so on had quite a few thousand between them.
I was on that route with another character of mine. Got a bit lost on the way from the others in the same fleet (31 of us) as the route objectives were taking first on one route and then when I heard the target system I put it as destination, taking me shorter route. I ended up entering the system from other side than where CCP was leading us, encountered no one, heard in fleet chat that things had gone south, it was over and we should save our ships. At first I thought to leave with my Corax intact, but it had been put together just to be lost there, so I went for bubbles I knew of and lo and behold - there was Caracal that helped me fast home (thank you, whoever you were. It was kind of you). |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
46
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:30:00 -
[269] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:haha look at all these dumb hisec pubbies whining about tidi and bad mechanics welcome to EVE Haha look at these dumb nullsec bittervets not having a clue what we are complaining about. YEAH IT'S NOT LIKE WE DEAL WITH LARGE FIGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS OR ANYTHING, WE'RE TOTALLY THE IDIOTS HERE. |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:32:00 -
[270] - Quote
Plentath wrote:You're all going to be even more annoyed when you realise the people who turned your fleet into a turkey shoot were AFK.
Drone assist isn't broken at all.
Just shows that empires cannot win when fighing the null sec alliances. |
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Photon Ceray
Damascus Enterprise
187
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:34:00 -
[271] - Quote
Oh god, guess I am lucky I missed it!
I hope that now CCP experienced a glimpse of what null sec players have to deal with, imagine doing that tidi to 1% and playing for 5-6 hours because your ships are stuck otherwise.
Maybe it's time to fix TiDi? |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
48
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:34:00 -
[272] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Aerieth wrote:Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:haha look at all these dumb hisec pubbies whining about tidi and bad mechanics welcome to EVE Haha look at these dumb nullsec bittervets not having a clue what we are complaining about. YEAH IT'S NOT LIKE WE DEAL WITH LARGE FIGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS OR ANYTHING, WE'RE TOTALLY THE IDIOTS HERE.
Thanks for playing to my point. We don't care about the big fight. We aren't upset about dying. We don't care about our ship losses or the fact that TiDi made combat slow.
We are upset at the utter lack of communication from CCP for this Live Event and the utterly atrocious planning from CCP.
The getting blown up at the end of the trip was the BEST part of my night and I thank you for that. It was the unnecessary 2 hour trip through high sec at 10% TiDi with no input from our FC (CCP) that was most upsetting! |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2815
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:35:00 -
[273] - Quote
This really sounds like an "expectations management" situation.
Systems with a thousand people in them experience heavy time dialation (this is why titan bridging to systems is so popular). If you didn't expect this, now you know.
Disorganized masses are generally slaughtered by competent opponents. Especially when they employ voice coms, use a tested fleet concept, know the area, and are generally prepared for the fight.
|

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
49
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:38:00 -
[274] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Aerieth wrote:Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:haha look at all these dumb hisec pubbies whining about tidi and bad mechanics welcome to EVE Haha look at these dumb nullsec bittervets not having a clue what we are complaining about. YEAH IT'S NOT LIKE WE DEAL WITH LARGE FIGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS OR ANYTHING, WE'RE TOTALLY THE IDIOTS HERE. Thanks for playing to my point. We don't care about the big fight. We aren't upset about dying. We don't care about our ship losses or the fact that TiDi made combat slow. We are upset at the utter lack of communication from CCP for this Live Event and the utterly atrocious planning from CCP. The getting blown up at the end of the trip was the BEST part of my night and I thank you for that. It was the unnecessary 2 hour trip through high sec at 10% TiDi with no input from our FC (CCP) that was most upsetting! Harden the **** up, welcome to EVE. You haven't seen shitall about bad communication unless you went on a sov-holding Test fleet. |

Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
82
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:42:00 -
[275] - Quote
All this "highsec vs. nullsec" b*llsh*t is distracting from the main issue here: CCP utterly ****** up a routine event. ("Rally here; go there; fight.") And to all the nullsec people chortling about their glorious victory: if this is the kind of event you really want CCP to run in the future, keep poking the angry carebears, because if CCP gets the idea that this result was "fun", then all of EVE is going to lose.
There are two possible scenarios here:
1) Not WAI: Someone planned things very poorly, did not anticipate TIDI, or did not provide sufficient NPC/Dev-intervention support to balance the (obvious, in retrospect) bubblecamps. If there was a lore plan/Rubicon release concepts, they completely lost sight of it, or did not anticipate the difference between planning and execution.
2) WAI: Spoonfeeding people to nullsec bubblecamps was their plan, and was part of their lore plan/Rubicon release concepts.
Either way: terrible.
So: people should stop sniping at each other about nullsec vs. carebears. It's a huge sideshow. Even if you sat and racked up killmails in your bubblecamp, you should be annoyed that this wasn't a better event. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
50
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:42:00 -
[276] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote: Harden the **** up, welcome to EVE. You haven't seen shitall about bad communication unless you went on a sov-holding Test fleet.
So because a sh***y alliance in EVE sucks ... that makes it the norm of play? |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
49
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:43:00 -
[277] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote: Harden the **** up, welcome to EVE. You haven't seen shitall about bad communication unless you went on a sov-holding Test fleet.
So because a sh***y alliance in EVE sucks ... that makes it the norm of play? Yes? Considering every alliance is like this except for like, two or three in the entire game. |

Uriel Shaz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:44:00 -
[278] - Quote
Noobs and hisec residents know the dangers of 0.0.
WHat happened has the feel that CCP holds highsec residents in contempt to lead us out on an "Organized Event" to be slaughtered.
"Come defend the empire!" ... what we got was an Organized CCP Ambush
"This is the real EVE" .. BS. EVE is far more than nullsec ganking.
We know what to expect when wandering in to nullsec. We expected far far far more from a CCP event. They tried, once. Once text was entered "Dont let the Guristas(?cant remember now?) Finish their research"
the common reply was "screw that. carebears.. FIRE!
This message is aimed AT CCP. Not the usual testicle mesuring adolescent in Nullsec. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3563
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:44:00 -
[279] - Quote
I was expecting to lose my deadspace fit comet but really this was a poorly run live event. Too much TiDi, too much confusion, not much happening. Way too much time to invest in losing a ship and say "I was there".
Hopefully there will be better ones. |

Cian Korwin
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:46:00 -
[280] - Quote
I think everyone who took part and failed to accomplish the GM's mission should lose standings. |
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Koda
THORN Syndicate Black Legion.
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:46:00 -
[281] - Quote
Ahahahahah, dumb carebears crying.. props to CCP!
Op Success! |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
50
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:47:00 -
[282] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Aerieth wrote:Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote: Harden the **** up, welcome to EVE. You haven't seen shitall about bad communication unless you went on a sov-holding Test fleet.
So because a sh***y alliance in EVE sucks ... that makes it the norm of play? Yes? Considering every nullsec alliance is like this except for like, two or three in the entire game.
If you don't like the way communication is handled out in Null Sec then you should probably speak up, maybe it will get better. Kind of like how a lot of us are speaking up about how we are unhappy with the way CCP handled communication during this event. |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
49
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:49:00 -
[283] - Quote
Uriel Shaz wrote:Noobs and hisec residents know the dangers of 0.0.
WHat happened has the feel that CCP holds highsec residents in contempt to lead us out on an "Organized Event" to be slaughtered.
"Come defend the empire!" ... what we got was an Organized CCP Ambush
"This is the real EVE" .. BS. EVE is far more than nullsec ganking.
We know what to expect when wandering in to nullsec. We expected far far far more from a CCP event. They tried, once. Once text was entered "Dont let the Guristas(?cant remember now?) Finish their research"
the common reply was "screw that. carebears.. FIRE!
This message is aimed AT CCP. Not the usual testicle mesuring adolescent in Nullsec. Hisec doesn't bring players to the game, it's boring and nothing cool/emergent ever happens there. Also you're literally CCP's little favourites, our space costs billions to hold and is actively detrimental to the sanity of the people who maintain the sov, as well as it costing billions in a month. Stop bitching and whining and go back to your missions, or stop being a ***** and come out to nullsec. |

El Space Mariachi
Love Squad
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:49:00 -
[284] - Quote
wow thanks ccp i didnt get everything handed to me on a plate what a train wreck you will be hearing from my lawyer!!!
no but really 10% tidi was gay I couldn't ship spin in Sendaya while listening to my ceo give a very moving speech on ts and local chat was full of idiots and they wouldnt go away for hours. please reinforce the node so you can keep the dreck out of my local T I A |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
49
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:50:00 -
[285] - Quote
Christ now I remember why I never read these forums, people from hisec are just ******* miserable to be around, literally worse than -A-. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
50
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:55:00 -
[286] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Christ now I remember why I never read these forums, people from hisec are just ******* miserable to be around, literally worse than -A-.
I've read FAR worse on the CFC forums. |

Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:56:00 -
[287] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Uriel Shaz wrote:Noobs and hisec residents know the dangers of 0.0.
WHat happened has the feel that CCP holds highsec residents in contempt to lead us out on an "Organized Event" to be slaughtered.
"Come defend the empire!" ... what we got was an Organized CCP Ambush
"This is the real EVE" .. BS. EVE is far more than nullsec ganking.
We know what to expect when wandering in to nullsec. We expected far far far more from a CCP event. They tried, once. Once text was entered "Dont let the Guristas(?cant remember now?) Finish their research"
the common reply was "screw that. carebears.. FIRE!
This message is aimed AT CCP. Not the usual testicle mesuring adolescent in Nullsec. Hisec doesn't bring players to the game, it's boring and nothing cool/emergent ever happens there. Also you're literally CCP's little favourites, our space costs billions to hold and is actively detrimental to the sanity of the people who maintain the sov, as well as it costing billions in a month. Stop bitching and whining and go back to your missions, or stop being a ***** and come out to nullsec.
Hisec is boring, and nulsec is detrimental to your mental health... you don't really like this game do you  |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
144
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:59:00 -
[288] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote: Hisec doesn't bring players to the game, it's boring and nothing cool/emergent ever happens there. Also you're literally CCP's little favourites, our space costs billions to hold and is actively detrimental to the sanity of the people who maintain the sov, as well as it costing billions in a month. Stop bitching and whining and go back to your missions, or stop being a ***** and come out to nullsec.
If you are feeling that bad about highsec and nullsec, you should either try lowsec/wormholes or just take a break from the game. You sound like you really need change of scenery. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3564
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:02:00 -
[289] - Quote
Johann Rascali wrote:Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:Not well thought out, not well executed, and basically just shoveling people into null killzones... You overlook the idea that that may have been the intended design to begin with. Johann Rascali wrote:- Capsuleers fail to reach target
- "First" Ghost site proceeds unhindered
- Empires provide no support
- Capsuleers "get angry at the Empires"
- Capsuleers want to split from the empires even more (Rubicon)
100% op success
hmmmmmmm |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
378
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:04:00 -
[290] - Quote
tbh i wouldnt bother arguing with Prelate Hucel-Ge if i were u. he'd argue about space being black or the sun being hot if it meant he could extract some form of tears from you. he is after all an ex-test line member after all
theres a phrase that describes the situation... dont argue with a forum troll. He'll lower the whole conversation to an immature level and then beat u with experience. |
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Andy Koraka
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
19
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:05:00 -
[291] - Quote
Don't take getting slaughtered like livestock personally. Welcome to nullsec, where the weak get bent over and shafted by a sexually frustrated -DD- FC w/ 700 Tengus formed up for an objective they decided not to risk an escalation on. (In this case a N3 POS that came out of reinforce since they didn't want to risk triggering another 7 hour capital escalation like on Tuesday over a low value target.)
If we really wanted to **** in your cheerio's we'd have skipped subaps and sent a ping via IRC/Jabber to logon caps since we're all staged 2 lightyears away from the pirate system. To be fair on CCP's part, we only did that move OP yesterday.
Also I hope someone saves this thread for posterity, the tears are golden. |

Aerieth
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:06:00 -
[292] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:tbh i wouldnt bother arguing with Prelate Hucel-Ge if i were u. he'd argue about space being black or the sun being hot if it meant he could extract some form of tears from you. he is an ex-test line member after all
theres a phrase that describes the situation... dont argue with a forum troll. He'll lower the whole conversation to an immature level and then beat u with experience.
Message received, this is really my first active thread so I don't know the lay of the land :) |

Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:06:00 -
[293] - Quote
This isn't a highsec vs nulsec thing, people are not happy about the way CCP handled it... but nobody is bitter about nulsec corps taking advantage of an opportunity that was put on a plate for them. |

Jonathan McLearnon
Atlantis Innovations
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:07:00 -
[294] - Quote
Fourteen Maken wrote:This isn't a highsec vs nulsec thing, people are not happy about the way CCP handled it... but nobody is bitter about nulsec corps taking advantage of an opportunity that was put on a plate for them.
^^
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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:10:00 -
[295] - Quote
Fourteen Maken wrote:This isn't a highsec vs nulsec thing, people are not happy about the way CCP handled it... but nobody is bitter about nulsec corps taking advantage of an opportunity that was put on a plate for them.
Just shows that in fights between null sec and empire, null sec will always win. |

Kraschyn Thek'athor
Die..Brut
16
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:13:00 -
[296] - Quote
Recruiting in 0.0 seems to take every ape who can push a banana....
I was in the Syndicate system, in the 0.0 fleetside. Those who beat their chest for doing gate camps... props, great pvp guys. I guess your alliance leader is proud to read your comments here. You can do gate camps, amazing....
An organized event should at least accomplish what any bigger gank night achives. Either get an agreement for an big fight or know how to do it.
What some of the fellow 0.0 guys don't get. The HiSeci's would like to have some fight. And they expected transportation to the target. Since CCP organised this, it wouldn't been to much to put some Titans for bridge or some Wormhole to the target.
Anyone of us, organising stuff in this way for his alliance would get some harsh after mission meeting. So, CCP gets it after mission meeting live and public here.
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Max Mueller
Deutsche Luftschlosswerke AG
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:17:00 -
[297] - Quote
Vermin X wrote:1) Welcome to Null. 2) This is our life every day.
And there we've got the LOL Collective acting up old school nullsec once again.  |

Dorgaur
EVE University Ivy League
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:18:00 -
[298] - Quote
I was really excited about this since im returning player and corp made fleet for this, but it was total crap... Really disappointed... Never ending slow motion jumping... |

McDodah
Five-0 Northern Associates.
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:23:00 -
[299] - Quote
This was the first live event I have ever done. Very possibly the last... Unless I have way too much time. The title was very enticing hence why I decided to attend. It was EXTREMEY disappointing. I would think with it being known that the traffic would be so high some server reallocation would have taken place. There were times when systems would be under 100 pilots and tidi would be 20%...?! I'm no game maker but I fell like this was poorly executed. These events are a great idea and seem to bring the community together in a great way... But maybe there needs to be a team dedicated to these events. Bad bad bad this was just bad. |

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
21
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:24:00 -
[300] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Uriel Shaz wrote:Noobs and hisec residents know the dangers of 0.0.
WHat happened has the feel that CCP holds highsec residents in contempt to lead us out on an "Organized Event" to be slaughtered.
"Come defend the empire!" ... what we got was an Organized CCP Ambush
"This is the real EVE" .. BS. EVE is far more than nullsec ganking.
We know what to expect when wandering in to nullsec. We expected far far far more from a CCP event. They tried, once. Once text was entered "Dont let the Guristas(?cant remember now?) Finish their research"
the common reply was "screw that. carebears.. FIRE!
This message is aimed AT CCP. Not the usual testicle mesuring adolescent in Nullsec. Hisec doesn't bring players to the game, it's boring and nothing cool/emergent ever happens there. Also you're literally CCP's little favourites, our space costs billions to hold and is actively detrimental to the sanity of the people who maintain the sov, as well as it costing billions in a month. Stop bitching and whining and go back to your missions, or stop being a ***** and come out to nullsec. I do come to Nullsec. Often. Empty system, empty system, empty system, random blob, empty system, empty system, Nullbears in their ratting or mining ships docking up the minute a random person comes into local they don't know, empty system, empty system, empty system.
I make hundreds of millions from your exploration sites. Nobody comes to kill me. Lowsec is more fun than your ******* TiDi assign-drones-go-AFK spam F1 amateur bullshit.
Get rid of local, fricken goonie noobs. Quit complaining about AFK cloakers. Grow a pair; fly a BS solo through FW :) |
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Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
23
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:26:00 -
[301] - Quote
Kraschyn Thek'athor wrote:Recruiting in 0.0 seems to take every ape who can push a banana....
I was in the Syndicate system, in the 0.0 fleetside. Those who beat their chest for doing gate camps... props, great pvp guys. I guess your alliance leader is proud to read your comments here. You can do gate camps, amazing....
An organized event should at least accomplish what any bigger gank night achives. Either get an agreement for an big fight or know how to do it.
What some of the fellow 0.0 guys don't get. The HiSeci's would like to have some fight. And they expected transportation to the target. Since CCP organised this, it wouldn't been to much to put some Titans for bridge or some Wormhole to the target.
Anyone of us, organising stuff in this way for his alliance would get some harsh after mission meeting. So, CCP gets it after mission meeting live and public here.
Pretty much this. Even if they had asked everyone to hold on the gates until there was enough pilots to have a go at whatever was on the other side, instead of the way it went down and people trickling through in small groups to get picked off over the course of several hours. It would have been an event in itself to fight those camps and try to push into the target system, I probably would have re shipped and had another go if we had designated fc's who were actually looking at the tactical situation and coming up with doctrines to counter it. That would have suited everyone better except killmail whores, the real carebears here are the ones who want to pick up easy kills without actually risking their ships. |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
50
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:34:00 -
[302] - Quote
I don't know what you retards expected, this event was run by CCP. It was destined to be poorly thought-out, clunky, and ending in sadness and a sore *******. That's the CCP guarantee. |

fire elf
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
31
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:40:00 -
[303] - Quote
Killboards is green. People are crying.
I think this was a pretty good event.... After fighting in Tidi in the bloc wars over the years. You simply don't care anymore . I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
I my eyes CCP should have forseen this but that was probally the idea to show how bad their servers are handling the mass of players atm! |

Anubis Aureus
Eagles of Wenin
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 00:42:00 -
[304] - Quote
Lots of posts in this thread and i read them all. For me, i went quit early in my Prophecy to Sarum Prime, "fleet-fitted" with omnit-buffertank as its always usefull in larger fleets and i joined a more or less well organized armor fleet in Sarum. We had some issues with eve voice (as usual :D) and then went to several TS-servers. Later a rookie out of a helpchannal joined us and problems became obvious: she had 2 medium repper on her myrmidon. A quit young character with not that much knowledge of eve. When i joined the fleet we had 1 (!) logi while we had about 80 players of all kind. Quit few did not even know what a logi is. Broadcast? Never heard.
I'm pretty sure lots of people had such moments. Either way, after CCP announced the first destination on twitter (!!!! srsyl? O_o) i just flew straight over (23! jumps? srsly? O_o) there after i was sure, its not just fake (TIDI with not even 100 pilots in system?! SRSLY? O_O) I've put several rookies and friends of mine in a seperate channel to inform them about news and whats going on at all besides tell them some basics. It was also mentioned that it might be better to travel trough lowsec, because this route would be shorter, but there was a red huge red gang so i told them not to go this way. At my arrival i decided to join an armor fleet right there because mine was stuck some dozen jumps away. It was lead by the Caldari FC (which ofc course makes so much sense for a amor fleet ... wait, what?). By then i was still in contact with "my noobs". Then the new route to the new system (RMOC-W) was mentioned and i went with the lemmingtrain.
Most newer player taking part in this event thought they might be part of something BIG. Something IMPORTANT and GREAT. The fewest of them did expect what actually happend. It was quit early clear, that there would be a large gatecamp at the other site in Doril (from time to time a leeroy is handy, you know? :P) and it was also obvious, that there were PLENTY of pilots not even close to the stagingsystem. So FC said: jump in. People did. Not just the armor fleet. Well i waited a bit, because i was expecting the worst. FC had mentioned not to fight, and just leave the bubble with your mwd. Look at the killboads and count all those ships who not even had a MWD fitted. And of course new bubbles were launched, so screw the "we were afk, just our drones did the job" babbling. While some people fought back, most just did without any idea what actually happend. I managed to break trough to RMOC-W and i guess i dont have to say to much about the situation over there. At the end i lost my prophecy at a gatecamp when i tried to escape, at least taking one destryoer with me. And what should i say? That as the best part of the whole so called event.
Whoever the Caldari FC was: you did a horrible job. You left about 160players-fleet without a word, without any information. The last information we had was "break trough, kill the station!" with 20 machariels on grid (haha). At the end i tried to gather the remains of our fleet in RMOC-W which lead to a strange situation where i warped to 2 basilisk who were abonded by their shield-fleet as well and just joined the armor fleet to take part before the fleet collapse. Great. More and more player who were at the end able to break trough were killed for no reason because the damn station despawned already when still players tried to reach it.
CCP you just lead a lot of player right into a deadtrap for no reason. You left us allone out there to die. You made it nearly impossible for the more or less at least a BIT organized fleets to arrive and FIGHT. You just ordered everyone away from the staging system for 23 jumps with horrible TIDI. Dont get me wrong, TIDI itself is okay and i prefer it over lags. Its the way how it was handled in this case. When the whole operation started there were about 700 players in Sendaya. We were 1200 just in Sarum Prime, not even counting those at the gates / meves.
The whole organisation was horrible, execution was horrendous. Most player in the random fleets were not even close to have an idea what could happen and im quit sure that there died way to many just for that reason. CCP you failed!
About the nullsec camp: I can imagine that you had your fun. I did like the little battle at my try to escape also a little bit. But if you are really proud on your lovely killboad and all these nice little carebear-kills... well. Than im very sorry for you. I dont see any skill in killing player who never actually did pvp, might not even have expected it and were furthermore not even close to be fitted for it. Plenty player came with cheap ships, some came with their missionrunning ship. If you think, this was a great victory... Just remember your own time when you had no idea how eve worked. Yeah, usually noobs kill themself because they dont read the warnings made by CCP about low/nullsec is dangerous. But this time it was a CCP event. With fleets without any actual FC or any organisation.
Yes. This is eve. But highsec (and nullsec as well) carebearing is eve as well, as mining is. We are all part of one universe, we are all here to have fun. Some people have fun to **** other people off. So CCP should maybe just open up JOVE space and raid all off nullsec. Just let the highsec carebears fly a few polaris ships for one day. It would be the same as killing pve ships in an desorganized fleet in pvp ships. I guess i know which side would like the outcome of THAT event.
Dunno who you see it, i want more nullseccarebearcrying. Just go on bump titans and cry because CCP dont let "ya haz da kill"
So CCP, idea for next event is made up. Your turn. Lets **** of the other side next time. |

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
23
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:44:00 -
[305] - Quote
fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. |

Prelate Hucel-Ge
Ixion Defence Systems Insidious Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:47:00 -
[306] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. COMING FROM SOMEONE IN IRRELEVANT EVE CORPORATION #123643424 |

fire elf
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:52:00 -
[307] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear.
MHM Carebear of the biggest kind... Thats why you have afk vexors alts doing anoms :) (THANKS GOONSWARM) |

Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:53:00 -
[308] - Quote
Blowing up in a mass legion gatecamp wasn't a big deal (my pod made it 10 jumps through null). What really sucked is spending 1-1.5 hours flying in TiDi. The CAS fleet regrouped at our null base to reship only 5-10 minutes after hitting the legion camp, but the event was over. The rest of the fleet joined with the CAS null fleet and went to the event area for some PVP. I had wasted enough time however and had stuff to do IRL so I just hopped in a spare frig and went back to highsec.
I see no issue with gatecamps and bubbles. It isn't all that hard to learn how to deal with null if you use cheap fits. I can make a frig fit for 1 mil isk that can still be competitive in fleet. Only got one kill in my short time in pvp, but the ship, fit, and ammo was 10 times the cost (T2 fit condor). The point I am making is that you can make a cheap ship and learn null.
If any of you want to get your feet wet in null, make a Gallente Alt and join CAS for one of our CAS Combat Days. It's a lot of fun with just a pile of t1 frigs and cruisers. If you can afford to fit up just one frig to start you can get free replacements from the CAS veterans so you can keep playing. |

fire elf
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:53:00 -
[309] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. COMING FROM SOMEONE IN IRRELEVANT EVE CORPORATION #123643424
SOLST > IXDS |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
111
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:58:00 -
[310] - Quote
Well there's a simple solution, CCP just led half of hisec into an ambush, Deliberately or through incompetence, or possibly both.
we now need another live event for balance, where sansha's nation and the sleepers are pissed off with the mess made throughout their space with these new experiments, and hotdrop all through null outnumbering the residents 100 to one in PVP ships with local effects that make all the null ships perform like PvE fits.Oh and make it so the Null ships have 10% TDI and the sleepers etc are just in place right next to them.
That sounds just about as fair and balanced as this.Of course that would be the null residents own fault for being there.
and the rest of eve would boast about good fights and how weak and useless null residents were.
Does that sound fair, the hell it does, you would be led to the slaughter in exactly the same way as we were.
Wait till they screw you over and then talk about carebear tears. |
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
23
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:01:00 -
[311] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. COMING FROM SOMEONE IN IRRELEVANT EVE CORPORATION #123643424 Cry more carebear. |

Laetitia Nzero
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
18
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:06:00 -
[312] - Quote
This was my very first ever live event within eve after a year of play. Never again.
I was completely disgusted at the thought process and event management of this, It wasn't all that fun, not one person had any idea what was going on att any stage. That Amarr NPC captain whateverthefuk had us hold on a gate forever then gave us one small bit of FC direction, then bailed saying something like 'I'm outta here'??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Not cool at all.
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Horatio Nately
808 Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:10:00 -
[313] - Quote
Laetitia Nzero wrote:This was my very first ever live event within eve after a year of play. Never again.
I was completely disgusted at the thought process and event management of this, It wasn't all that fun, not one person had any idea what was going on att any stage. That Amarr NPC captain whateverthefuk had us hold on a gate forever then gave us one small bit of FC direction, then bailed saying something like 'I'm outta here'??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Not cool at all.
the minmatar one just fu*ked off without a word so at least you had something |

Maaloc
Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:21:00 -
[314] - Quote
I absolutely adored this event. At first I thought the CCP would just respawn a titan in a hi-sec, let some carebears shoot it, then let some pirates shoot those carebears and then leave CONCORD do everything "just right"...but this. This was f***ing great! 
All these posts from people who learned the hard way what an organized null-sec fleet is made my morning. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
458
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:24:00 -
[315] - Quote
Horatio Nately wrote:the minmatar one just fu*ked off without a word so at least you had something There was a Minmatar one? |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:24:00 -
[316] - Quote
Maaloc wrote:I absolutely adored this event. At first I thought the CCP would just respawn a titan in a hi-sec, let some carebears shoot it, then let some pirates shoot those carebears and then leave CONCORD do everything "just right"...but this. This was f***ing great!  All these posts from people who learned the hard way what an organized null-sec fleet is made my morning.
Yep. Hi-sec will always lose when against Null-sec. Only thing keeping empire space from being slaves is Concord. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
113
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:27:00 -
[317] - Quote
All credit though to the null fleets, they performed their role efficiently and well. They sacrificed the prey that was delivered to them thoroughly.
What comes next? |

Bam Stroker
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
141
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:30:00 -
[318] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear.
He's got 25x the number of kills you do. GTFO. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3572
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:35:00 -
[319] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:I think I get where they are taking this lore, even though it was terribly badly done. All credit though to the null fleets, they performed their role efficiently and well.  They sacrificed the prey that was delivered to them thoroughly. What comes next?
New implants! 
Well played, CCP. Well played. |

Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:36:00 -
[320] - Quote
So it sounds like everyone had a great time!
Awesome! |
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
114
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:39:00 -
[321] - Quote
The lore people may be showing a spark of genius, Things could be about to get VERY interesting.
shame the execution of the plan sucked. |

Judas Lonestar
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
29
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:43:00 -
[322] - Quote
Bam Stroker wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. He's got 25x the number of kills you do. GTFO.
Whoop de doo. In the 4 pages of kills I looked at he has all of 2 that have less that 10 on the killmail.
I mean lets be realistic. If you metric to judge a good pilot is the ability to sit in a fleet of 80 and follow orders i think any of us would qualify as good pilots. Its just not that hard to do. Which means your point really isnt valid. What you should say is
"His killboard shows hes way better at being a good lemming, you suck at being a lemming cause your killboard sucks" am I right?
For what its worth, my killboard isnt that good. I dont judge my fun and skill by my killboard. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
458
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:02:00 -
[323] - Quote
So... since the null alliances sided with the Pirates, I guess they'll be persona non grata in high-sec now? |

Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate
277
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:03:00 -
[324] - Quote
Angry rant about CCP incompetence. Furious response to obvious troll bait. Repeated rant about CCP incompetence. Threats of unsubbing a bazillion accounts. Demands of refunded ships/skillpoints/gametime. Unnecessary capitalization and punctuation.
-Signature |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:05:00 -
[325] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:So... since the null alliances sided with the Pirates, I guess they'll be persona non grata in high-sec now?
Nah Concord will leave them alone. and Empire ships.. are meah. |

Colman Dietmar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:12:00 -
[326] - Quote
Well, they say that the players make EVE the great game that it is. I suppose today we have witnessed exactly what they mean by that. |

Bob Bedala
32
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:13:00 -
[327] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:haha look at all these dumb hisec pubbies whining about tidi and bad mechanics welcome to EVE
There's a lot to like about Eve, but I think your version of Eve is terrible.
Some things puzzle me;
Why do people play Eve in massive TiDi? Do you play racing games on a ZX81? Do you stick PVA glue to your chessboard? No. It's a terrible game experience.
Given that, why did CCP lead a lot of pilots (oblivious to both the danger, and how their game doesn't scale) into RZR staging? This is akin to going to bed with CCP for the first time, for them to wink in the morning and say "hey, check out my genital warts". You wanna go there again?
Who did this help? I was out, but it seems the hisec ppl got a terrible game experience even if they enjoyed the eventual explosions, the nullsec ppl got a game experience akin to playing Call of Duty, sniping noobs with a thermal scope down a corridor at one frame per second with a modded controller.
I understand some people dig schadenfreude, indeed some poor souls claim this is the main enjoyment they get from Eve. But how many hiseccers would want to be on the other end of that camp after that thrilling demonstration?
If they wanted to go to null they would be there already. WTF CCP, how is this increasing your playerbase? |

Bodb Derg
New Eden Scallywags
12
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:29:00 -
[328] - Quote
Wow. You people need to chill out a bit. Name one other game company that would do anything like this for their players/. Yes it could have been done better but Jesus people .. .take a chill pill. |

Talia Satori
Mineral Reclaimation Services Cerberus Security Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:33:00 -
[329] - Quote
I just want to know what the actual event was... I had a clean clone and a cheap Drake, no harm no foul for me I'm just sad that I still don't know why I spent all day warping around only to die in a gate-camp I could have avoided.
Good job to the null guys on the camp! You guys did a great job! |

Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
233
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:39:00 -
[330] - Quote
Bodb Derg wrote:Wow. You people need to chill out a bit. Name one other game company that would do anything like this for their players/. Yes it could have been done better but Jesus people .. .take a chill pill.
if the crashed the server, it would have been an improvement...
Its more than just ships people lost, its faith in the developers, leaders of the events, and the company as a whole.
There was no point in calling people out to log in at 3 in the afternoon to go run around highsec in time dialation for an hour, then go into a gatecamp where they had no hope of either escape, combat, or defense.
It was a turkey shoot. There was 0, nada, nothing the people jumping into that camp could have done, as they had 0 warning there would be one, no time to coordinate and try to make a stand, and those who were coordinated, were stuck trying to get there via time dilation.
Was TD the issue, nope. Was the gatecamp the issue, nope. Was CCP's direction the issue, yup.
They have said next to nothing so far, as they are either attempting to wait out the rage, or determining who will take ownership of the event. |
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Judas Lonestar
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
30
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:00:00 -
[331] - Quote
Bodb Derg wrote:Wow. You people need to chill out a bit. Name one other game company that would do anything like this for their players/. Yes it could have been done better but Jesus people .. .take a chill pill.
EA comes to mind. |

Maaloc
Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:01:00 -
[332] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote: It was a turkey shoot. There was 0, nada, nothing the people jumping into that camp could have done, as they had 0 warning there would be one, no time to coordinate and try to make a stand, and those who were coordinated, were stuck trying to get there via time dilation..
Zero warning? Seriously? You don't have to be a genius to realize that null-secs + this equals camps and player pirates.
As this guy from the Razor alliance said, did you expect candies in Doril? |

PrincessButtercup
Miners of Moria Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:01:00 -
[333] - Quote
all I can say is WoWP launches next week |

Thye
Sure Thing Logistics
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:07:00 -
[334] - Quote
I joined this event on the Empire side. Jumping through 20 TiDi systems was tedious, but that didn't matter, because there was something exciting on the other end. However, the NPC/CCP FC ordered everyone through the gate before I got there, and then appeared to give questionable orders thereafter. When I eventually arrived in Ihal, the whole thing was over, so I just turned around and went home.
Had the NPC FC waited until they had the full fleet ready in Ihal, and then sent everyone through guns blazing, it probably would have been a more exciting event for everyone concerned. Yes, we may have died in large numbers still, but we would have got some decent kills in first. A smaller group could have used this as cover to move on towards the objective.
The NPC FC's orders were bad. I don't know whether this was deliberate on CCP's part, but the response is the same either way. In future events, don't listen to NPC FCs. If those of us in Empire space want to enjoy these events, we're going to need to get organised, with competent player FCs giving the orders, and large numbers of us ready to follow them. |

Liam Li
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
75
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:08:00 -
[335] - Quote
Empire/Highsec people........... Welcome to the life of Nullsec. You guys strut around smug and whatnot in lowsec and null under conditions of a live event and expect that there is 0% risk involved of losing your ship and pod and expect that there will be no time dilation? |

Jaded One
Air Initiative Mercenaries
16
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:11:00 -
[336] - Quote
Jean-Paul Hutchinson wrote:I think its funny how you low/null sec corps are gloating. Had CCP waited for the 2,000 pilots on the way to join the OP, you wouldnt have stud a chance
You are very mistaken
this ragtag group of 2000 noobs and carebears would have been massacred. its called range control.
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Kraschyn Thek'athor
Die..Brut
17
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:13:00 -
[337] - Quote
Maaloc wrote:I
All these posts from people who learned the hard way what an organized null-sec fleet is made my morning.
Sorry, you are an Idiot. A prove that your recruting officer was right, that you are smart enough for F1 pvp and would do this monkey job easily.
The Nullsecs were organized, because they are attuned to be organized. The Highsec Corps and Alliances are smaller, there are no coalitions. If you are either from CCP or an 0.0 alliance and don't recognize this difference, you should quit this game.
If CCP would have done that right, they would have said. "This is a PVP event, please use PvP ships, we are to lazy to organize FC teams, please organise. You have 24 hours". And I guess we would have seen some shining moments of the Eve Community. FW FCs, retired FCs, junior FCs stepping up and organising. And when I see those numbers of the Highsecis, even without streamlined fitting, that would have been a blast of an fight. Such a clash would have been an epic moment. Worth telling, worth fighting, for both sides. Bringing pilots into PvP, giving them fun. This was poop **** pvp. (and I was in one of the organised fleets)
I cannot blame the Highsecis for the underinformativ posting for this event from CCP. Every drunken gank night fc I ever travelled with, gave better pre-organisation and execution. |

Doctor Fabulous MD
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:14:00 -
[338] - Quote
in the immortal words of Roger Alan Wade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzksL5-jVbk |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:19:00 -
[339] - Quote
I was in the carebear fleet... Worst fleet I have ever been in. You all were given the opportunity to bail before we jumped into the camp its not like no one knew it was there. No one calling targets, no logi, kitchen sink fleet including shuttles. The event was a disaster but I still had fun what did you all think was going to happen lol. Learn to burn outa bubbles faster! The major screw up was ccp changing staging systems we went from 1300 to 800 when we left. But hey I made it there got a few shots off at the structure. GF RZR :) |

Jaded One
Air Initiative Mercenaries
16
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:20:00 -
[340] - Quote
ARCHANGEL DOWN.. I call Final Blow! |
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Corvald Tyrska
Dha'Vargar
22
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:20:00 -
[341] - Quote
The NPC FCs were playing in character very well, i.e. Empire navy commanders who don't give a crap about the capsuleers following their instructions.
As I said in another thread on this if you lost your ship to a gatecamp it is entirely your fault, not the CCP FC. Would you fly a battleship through the Doril gate on any other day without scouting it out? If so come back tomorrow, there will be plenty of people waiting there to say hi.
The NPC FC gave instructions as to the destination. How you flew there was up to you. Taking the shortest path through Low/Null sec, from High sec, without scouting it out was stupid regardless of what the NPC said to do. If you plan to fly through these sort of systems at least use a cloaky ship otherwise go around or go in co-ordinated and prepared.
If you are going to completely entrust the safety of your ship and pod to a stranger in local chat, NPC Actor or not, who is telling you to jump into a Low/Null sec system then you deserve to lose it. I flew in a stealth bomber because I expected camps and trouble and I was able to fly through four of them without incident. Many other players flew around the camps to the destination systems.
All this event shows is that most EVE players need someone else to micromanage them and tell them how to think and act, otherwise they just fly to their deaths like a bunch of drunken lemmings. |

Maaloc
Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:25:00 -
[342] - Quote
Kraschyn Thek'athor wrote: Sorry, you are an Idiot. A prove that your recruting officer was right, that you are smart enough for F1 pvp and would do this monkey job easily.
Awww. But sorry, you are kinda mistaken: I come from a roaming alliance where pressing f1 and following every FC order is not that common. Plus I'm more of a logistics guy.
Quote:The Nullsecs were organized, because they are attuned to be organized. The Highsec Corps and Alliances are smaller, there are no coalitions.
Sounds like you wanna correct a mistake in my words, but you just said the same thing. Nullsecers were organized, they ignored the CCP's FCs and formed their own smaller fleets. Empire carebears who went on this event were nothing than a random rabble and they just met their well-expected sad end.
Quote:"This is a PVP event, please use PvP ships, we are to lazy to organize FC teams, please organise. You have 24 hours". And I guess we would have seen some shining moments of the Eve Community. FW FCs, retired FCs, junior FCs stepping up and organising. And when I see those numbers of the Highsecis, even without streamlined fitting, that would have been a blast of an fight. Such a clash would have been an epic moment. Worth telling, worth fighting, for both sides. Bringing pilots into PvP, giving them fun. You do realize that this would never happen? |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:27:00 -
[343] - Quote
Corvald Tyrska wrote:The NPC FCs were playing in character very well, i.e. Empire navy commanders who don't give a crap about the capsuleers following their instructions.
As I said in another thread on this if you lost your ship to a gatecamp it is entirely your fault, not the CCP FC. Would you fly a battleship through the Doril gate on any other day without scouting it out? If so come back tomorrow, there will be plenty of people waiting there to say hi.
The NPC FC gave instructions as to the destination. How you flew there was up to you. Taking the shortest path through Low/Null sec, from High sec, without scouting it out was stupid regardless of what the NPC said to do. If you plan to fly through these sort of systems at least use a cloaky ship otherwise go around or go in co-ordinated and prepared.
If you are going to completely entrust the safety of your ship and pod to a stranger in local chat, NPC Actor or not, who is telling you to jump into a Low/Null sec system then you deserve to lose it. I flew in a stealth bomber because I expected camps and trouble and I was able to fly through four of them without incident. Many other players flew around the camps to the destination systems.
All this event shows is that most EVE players need someone else to micromanage them and tell them how to think and act, otherwise they just fly to their deaths like a bunch of drunken lemmings.
Yep shows I'm a loser and worthless. but then why would I care. |

BBQ FTW
The Hatchery Team Liquid
89
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:38:00 -
[344] - Quote
if you came prepared to fight, it went pretty well, even if you weren't affiliated with the large blocs
I know of 2 separate 5 man groups that were quite successful at skirmishing against the large blobs flying around and killed some nice stuff, including some idiot goon who thought bubble camping in an HG slaved afterburner legion was a good idea. |

Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:40:00 -
[345] - Quote
Just called to turn off my water because this spring of tears is going to be flowing for a while. |

ChYph3r
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:45:00 -
[346] - Quote
I wasn't there do to my RL schedule, but from what I gather it was a slaughter of CCP bringing empire dwellers to null and it failed miserably.
To you Empire Dwellers, welcome to how we live in null, bubbles, gate camps, and TIDI. Your tears are the best tears ever! keep them flowing! |

Rhnra Pahineh
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
11
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:46:00 -
[347] - Quote
Bodb Derg wrote:Wow. You people need to chill out a bit. Name one other game company that would do anything like this for their players/. Yes it could have been done better but Jesus people .. .take a chill pill. Well, I'm sorry to say that it was poorly done. Creating such events are hard, especially in a free environment like eve online. And I believe that's where CCP failed to forseen what could go on.
Essentially, when choice is given to the players, you just try to draw some basic lines then implement on what's going on. The first FAIL was the [Sarum Prime -> Ihal] travel that just locked out most of the people willing to attend the event.
The second issue was to push into a owned nullsec area. I mean, really, would the Empires stay still if one badass fleet entered their border with no announcement what so ever? They should have taken into account what they always tell us: eve is real, people do stuff and care about it. So of course the Empires can't do whatever they want anymore, they have to forge alliances with the new powers. They can't just "ask" publicly capsuleers to join, because there are a lot of people that doesn't like them. At all. If they want to get support, they have to know where to knock. A second point of view on this issue is that some people doesn't care about the lore and the event and just wanna fight. And that's the sandbox in all its glory: you can't control everything in a sandbox. And that's also because of that very fact that the eve players likes this game and invest in it in various ways: warrior, diplomats, leaders, ... I believe that if CCP want to do live event, they need real players to take care of them.
Other than that, I can't say because I was busy in Sendaya shooting at suspects. But I heard the Empire FC did some bad calls. Like traveling to a nullsec system instead to bridge in. I mean, really, doing that and telling everybody where we were going a day before is the same thing. You don't do a surprise attack like that. We are already trained to react fast, and on top of that everybody already knew that there were something brewing.
In conclusion of my flawed insight, all I have to say is: either you play the game or you don't. Toying around to introduce a new feature is kinda pointless. |

Tuxedo Catfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:51:00 -
[348] - Quote
Kraschyn Thek'athor wrote: If CCP would have done that right, they would have said. "This is a PVP event, please use PvP ships, we are to lazy to organize FC teams, please organise. You have 24 hours".
This wouldn't have made any difference. Gee, a lore event happens in Syndicate and CCP announces a live event within the next day or two -- where did you think they were going to go? |

Bam Stroker
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
142
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:06:00 -
[349] - Quote
Judas Lonestar wrote:Bam Stroker wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. He's got 25x the number of kills you do. GTFO. Whoop de doo. In the 4 pages of kills I looked at he has all of 2 that have less that 10 on the killmail.
Who's talking about anyone's PvP skills? I didn't say anything about skills.
Dude One, who has less than 200 kills to his name called Dude Two who has over 4,000 kills a "carebear".
Forget about "skill", K:D ratios, efficiency, fleet sizes and all of that bullsh!t.
Just let that sink in. |

Maaloc
Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:20:00 -
[350] - Quote
Hm, some people say that during the event someone mentioned a wormhole with a GM orbiting it. Is that so? |
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Corvald Tyrska
Dha'Vargar
23
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:33:00 -
[351] - Quote
It's hilarious that people who would never willing enter these systems on any other day because they are dangerous are upset that CCP didn't somehow make them not dangerous for the event.
Although the original news announcement about the event did not call it a PVP event the later one asking for capsuleers to fight for the pirates should have been a pretty bloody big red flag for anyone who thought it was going to be PVE.
CCP should not have taken any actions to make travelling to Null artificially safe, and rightfully they didn't. Five seconds after reaching the initial staging area in Meves it was obvious that the TIDI would be horrible. For the High sec jumps, set the autopilot and come back later. Or scan down a wormhole and look for a shortcut. Or go through other systems, a detour through an extra 5 systems would have been much faster due to the lack of TIDI in those systems.
The most important point though is that the random fleets that formed up still had someone leading them. That person is responsible for organizing and controlling the fleet. If your fleet jumped through to Low sec with half its members scattered across six systems and no scouting then take it up with the FC who organized the fleet. It is their fault, not CCP.
The entire event from the High sec side was a clusterfuck but not due to CCP. The fault lies entirely upon the players and their lack of co-ordination. If you want to run solo through a PVP event and survive then fly a bloody stealth bomber / recon cruiser / cloaky tech 3. |

Jeffy D
Imperial Interests Talons Of Blood
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:38:00 -
[352] - Quote
I almost got washed away by the wave of carebear tears. Seriously though, this is funny as hell! CCP tells high sec pilots to go to null sec, they follow like lemmings and get slaughtered like them. What a massive and funny troll by CCP. |

Obama Drama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:38:00 -
[353] - Quote
Rhnra Pahineh wrote:[quote=Bodb Derg]
The second issue was to push into a owned nullsec area.
I can't hear anything you just said since this was NPC nullsec.
What'd you say bro? What? |

Rhnra Pahineh
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
11
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:41:00 -
[354] - Quote
Corvald Tyrska wrote:The entire event from the High sec side was a clusterfuck but not due to CCP. The fault lies entirely upon the players and their lack of co-ordination. If you want to run solo through a PVP event and survive then fly a bloody stealth bomber / recon cruiser / cloaky tech 3. What you're saying is: CCP could simply have told the players (us) to go toward a nullsec system and have fun. In fact, the result would probably be the same. And, well, we don't really need them to tell us where to go to have fights.
However, I do agree with all your points. If your FC made mistakes, those are his/her fault alone. |

Rhnra Pahineh
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
11
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:42:00 -
[355] - Quote
Obama Drama wrote:Rhnra Pahineh wrote:[quote=Bodb Derg]
The second issue was to push into a owned nullsec area. I can't hear anything you just said since this was NPC nullsec. What'd you say bro? What? Yes sorry, I revised my post but not thoroughly enough. That part slipped. (I'm going to correct that.) |

Irak Anstian
Hoover Inc. Black Legion.
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:44:00 -
[356] - Quote
Heh. I love it when you hiseccers ball your eyes out. Welcome to the real version of EVE. I regret I wasn't around to get any kills. |

ALI Virgo
hirr RAZOR Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:53:00 -
[357] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:Subject says it all. Quote:Empire Navies put out call for capsuleer Assisantce 10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime) 10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal) Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention No real communication from gm/event host Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event ONLY to include those people in the end. I want that hour of my life refunded to me  Good Job CCP ... NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in PS: Please point me in the direction of this post to remind me why I shouldnt bother in another live event ...
10 percent at time sits like 1 percent man you came on a good day to a small fight hurry back :) |

ALI Virgo
hirr RAZOR Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:54:00 -
[358] - Quote
Elfi Wolfe wrote:Corvald Tyrska wrote:The NPC FCs were playing in character very well, i.e. Empire navy commanders who don't give a crap about the capsuleers following their instructions.
As I said in another thread on this if you lost your ship to a gatecamp it is entirely your fault, not the CCP FC. Would you fly a battleship through the Doril gate on any other day without scouting it out? If so come back tomorrow, there will be plenty of people waiting there to say hi.
The NPC FC gave instructions as to the destination. How you flew there was up to you. Taking the shortest path through Low/Null sec, from High sec, without scouting it out was stupid regardless of what the NPC said to do. If you plan to fly through these sort of systems at least use a cloaky ship otherwise go around or go in co-ordinated and prepared.
If you are going to completely entrust the safety of your ship and pod to a stranger in local chat, NPC Actor or not, who is telling you to jump into a Low/Null sec system then you deserve to lose it. I flew in a stealth bomber because I expected camps and trouble and I was able to fly through four of them without incident. Many other players flew around the camps to the destination systems.
All this event shows is that most EVE players need someone else to micromanage them and tell them how to think and act, otherwise they just fly to their deaths like a bunch of drunken lemmings. Yep shows I'm a loser and worthless. but then why would I care. your not a loser or worthless.. |

ALI Virgo
hirr RAZOR Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:57:00 -
[359] - Quote
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:I don't know what you retards expected, this event was run by CCP. It was destined to be poorly thought-out, clunky, and ending in sadness and a sore *******. That's the CCP guarantee. in past ccp turns on their guard fleets anyways |

Starain
SoT DarkSide.
29
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:03:00 -
[360] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fqAIjcb-fk video from event DarkSide.+Gorgon Empire+Bright Side of Death vs Everyone and The Backstabbers^W Unthinkables Gathering all the pain on the way from heaven to hell: Sarum Prime - Doril - Hemin - RMOC-W Despite of fact that my ship is dead, that our fleet was backstabbed - at the end of video, time dilation from 5 to 25%, lags - it was COOL!
1. http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b9596/ 2. http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b9599/ 3. http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b9600/
Soundtrack: 1. Sagisu Shiro - The Ultimate Soldier ("EVANGELION:3.0"YOU CAN(NOT)REDO. DISC1) 2. Sagisu Shiro - Bataille d'Espace ("EVANGELION:3.0"YOU CAN(NOT)REDO. DISC2) |
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
239
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:32:00 -
[361] - Quote
Maaloc wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote: It was a turkey shoot. There was 0, nada, nothing the people jumping into that camp could have done, as they had 0 warning there would be one, no time to coordinate and try to make a stand, and those who were coordinated, were stuck trying to get there via time dilation..
Zero warning? Seriously? You don't have to be a genius to realize that null-secs + this equals camps and player pirates. As this guy from the Razor alliance said, did you expect candies in Doril?
I know that you think your sh-t smells like candy and you would like people to eat and enjoy it as much as you do, but let's be honest. CCP railroaded the event they setup and literally sent you a line of carebears to kill.
You enjoyed it because your job was simple, sit at 100, blow up whatever comes in. Now that might be fearful if you were alone, or maybe with 3 or 4 guys, but the 150 to 200 + sitting at optimal, watching people trickle in at a gate you bubbled to hell and back, and they have no way of getting to ya...
The developers did what most nullsec corps do, they implanted a spy, setup a trap, and whelped the target. Cept the target was highsec, the spy was CCP, and they used their own made-up event to .. Well lord who the hell knows what they were doing.
If this was setup by razor, fine, goons, fine, n3, fine. This was setup by CCP, and people followed the game developers. Poorly executed, Badly performed, 0 communication and the bulk of the community lost trust in the company because they lead the people into what can only be determined to be a trap (or as you may call it, typical Thursday in null).
In the end, the camp was fine. The majority of the community following CCP had no damn clue what was going to go on, well cept for ya I suppose.
Eitherway, it is what it is.
What the community wants to know is what the f-ck it was suppose to be.
Death by fire, a role playing event, a intro to nullsec, tears and people screaming that there leaving, a tidi test?... Because that was no live event. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
229
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:55:00 -
[362] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:Octoven wrote:First off no I cant imagine the FC scenario because typically FCs do not operate with 3000 players, thus they dont worry about needing to space those players over multiple systems to prevent TiDi.
Yes but CCP should have known there would be a 3000 player turn out and planned for it. Octoven wrote: Secondly, CCP never expected or asked us to TRICKLE into Null Sec, the request was to Trickle from Sarum Prime 1.0 to Ihal 0.5 Once everyone were there we could then proceed to travel together.
Fair. However CCP was not there in Ihal to lead onward. CCP should have been the FC in this case and we were let down by our FC and now we are upset.
Ill grant you that they may have been able to prep a bit better, but as for a CCP FC in ihal...there was one, (not as effective as typical FCs but never the less he was there) you just joined the wrong fleet mate. |

Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:22:00 -
[363] - Quote
Tidi sucks xD If that is the normal NullSec Thuesday... No wonder most of you are just dumb F1 Monkeys :-P
I don't care if my ship gets blown up by a gate camp in Null, most HighSec dwellers deserved it and the tears in this thread are delicious , but it sucks if you need 1 hour for 5 systems just to get there :-P |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2246
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:23:00 -
[364] - Quote
1.. Open up Netflix 2.. Find National Geographic documentary on Wildebeest herds crossing rivers 3.. ??? 4.. Realise why you were stupid to jump into Low, never mind Null.
I get it. I understand why everyone who went to the event from the High Sec end is upset, but every single Live Event has had to be organised specifically to make sure Goonies et al don't do EXACTLY what they did. Even then, apart from that Freighter escort event, whenever an event has crossed into low or null it has turned into a Charlie-Fox.
This one was pointed straight at NULL. What on earth did you think was going to happen. I absolutely understand that CCP is to blame for parking the rapevan and promising candy, but you guys ought to have been smart enough not to climb in. |

Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:48:00 -
[365] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I get it. I understand why everyone who went to the event from the High Sec end is upset, but every single Live Event has had to be organised specifically to make sure Goonies et al don't do EXACTLY what they did. Even then, apart from that Freighter escort event, whenever an event has crossed into low or null it has turned into a Charlie-Fox.
This one was pointed straight at NULL. What on earth did you think was going to happen. I absolutely understand that CCP is to blame for parking the rapevan and promising candy, but you guys ought to have been smart enough not to climb in.
I think you get why some people are upset. But not all of us. Again, a lot of us went in aware we could lose our ships and our pods. I budgeted for it. I had my rapevan ticket all paid for and verified, complete with watermark.
But I didn't even get to lose mine because of the horrendous dilation, server instability, and poor organization. About a couple hundred of us in the Gal/Min fleet were halfway through low-sec by the time we were told that "Ooops, the Serpentis self-destructed their station," with an implied "Guess we don't/didn't need you anyway!"
It didn't feel like I took part in a major event shaping the EVE universe, even from the point of view of a tragic, crushing blow to Empire forces. It felt like I jumped halfway across the galaxy through treacle for nothing.
It felt like just before I could climb in for so much as a taste of the candy, the rapevan drove off without me, the driver sticking his middle finger out the window at my panting face as he sped past me. |

Anubis Aureus
Eagles of Wenin
10
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:49:00 -
[366] - Quote
To be honest, in my humble opinion everyone who says "welcome to nullsec, this is how we live down here" and means it is a complete idiot or an not so tasty orifice. Are you kidding us? Every fleet in nullsec has its scouts, may it be in the enemys fleet or just (as intended imho) send them in their scouting frigs/cruisers or even intel. So while it might be not clear what excactly is going on it would at least be clear "Oh there are plenty of player in system". With these informations even the drunkest/dumbest FC would at least TRY to collect his force to push hard like a hammer on an amboss. CCP just peed on the amboss. Tell me one NullSec-FC who would do what CCP did and we may talk again. And even if you dont send your scouts first (whyever) who for gods sake would call everyone to just burn trough the bubbles while the enemys throw out more of them? Instead of burning back to gate and warning everyone that there is **** going on (which btw was mentioned at least in my fleet in fleetchannel). Every FC who would do this would have BEEN FC for his alliance/corp if he led over 500 pilots to such a devastating catastrophy. Furthermore there was no information for noobs about standing. Even my overview was mixed up as there were reds (for me) in the other highsecfleets so it might havnt helped that much, but still. It was impossible to find out who is who for a new player. Do you mark your allys in nullsec or do you just fly and look who shoots first at you? Also. Coms anyone? I'm pretty sure most of the nullsec's know about what an FC is, what bubbles are, what nados means and what burn to gate, etc means. Wherefrom should a newbie know that? So I assume you guys, who say "thats life in nullsec" sends the new player in their alliance trough several gatecamps who kill them whenever they try to reach their destination until they finally manage it (besides getting podded and wake up at corp station). Intresting.
Besides all that "you should have known that its dangerous there, everyone knows whats going on in eve!"... So who've read Michail Scholochow or Thomas Mann? What do you mean with "not me"? Thats world literature, everyone knows that?! WHY should highsec player know whats going on in Nullsec? Most of them've never seen more of nullsec than one little flyby in one ship where they died. In most cases allone. Memory to myself: "Nullsec is dangerous." Thats for lots of people all they know about nullsec. I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of player in nullsec who dont know where their neighbours in the system next door are. Its just not important for highsecplayer to know where its dangerous in low/nullsec because theytend to ignore this space (for good reason).
And then, CCP, the developer of the game, called for the capsuleers. They did not call for people who play the game for quit a while, they did not call for pvp-player or well organized fleets where ccp offered a maillist with standard-fittings for everyone to share. They said "invite your friends, everyone can come, we need you ladys!". And the highsec capsuleers came. Hundreds, even thousands of us. (on both sides). Something big was about to happen. And while you are right, usually everyone should know that low/nullsec is no kindergarden this situation was something else. Player who never were in a fleet with more than maybe 20 people were in fleets with over 100. And there were several fleets. When you were noobs and joined a such huge fleet, did you feel weak and pointless? Every highsec player thought from this moment, the playerbase (from highsec) forms a force. Wherefrom should they've known that without leadership and some basics this couldnt end well?
Every Nullsec-alliance i know does have premade fittings and shipissues which are shared evenly between the members. If the FC's calls for a legionfleet, everyone gets his fitted legion and after 20minutes fleet is ready to roll. Tengus, Talos, Roaming, Shield, Armor, logi, whatever. There is training, there are informations, standing-informations and so on. What did CCP offer? "Come, we need you". This is like a CTA for every bigger alliance, just with the lacking information and basics given to EVERY SINGLE nullsec player from his/her alliance. Want to imagine a CTA and everyone comes with his actual ship? Ratting tengus, miningbarges and the FC in his Rorqual (at least mining boosters yey).
If I would be a beginner in eve and or PvP and just read this topic i would say it seems that every Nullsecpilot have to be a very dumb untasty orifice who also enjoyed killing new player with his level 60/80/100 whatver char in world of crapcraft. Or a Duty Calls kiddie who uses wallhacks and whatever and is soo proud about his skill. Just, that in this case, CCP offered the wallhack to the nullsecs likewise. While telling new player to join this server because its fun.
It might be possible that you had fun while playing shooting gallery and i know that several player acually fought back. But I hope, that most of you do prefer battles who are actually more... challanging. And while the fewest of you seem to understand the problems of the highsecfaction in this case I might remember: It was not about loosing stuff. There were plenty (including me) who exspected PvP and accept such losses as "**** happens". It was about the whole situation. If you really cant understand that: Congratulations. You've won eve. You've finished it. So go, play Duty Calls.
At the end i want to mention a newer player from the help channel im in: She went to Sarum prime and flew troug the whole TIDI and while she did not ike that she accepted it. Even after i told her, that its very likely that she will die in the camp and she said: "Who cares. I came so far, i want to take part and help!" She managed to slip trough the camps and finally arrived in RMOC-W but the beacon was already gone. Then she died. Well done CCP. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1280
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:51:00 -
[367] - Quote
+1. A herd of a few hundred disorganized cats, going through a heavily camped, bubbled route into null? The best FC team in the game wouldn't have given Team Good Guys a chance. The switch-up from Sarum Prime to Ihas is a bit questionable, certainly, but the tidi, confusion and blood was clear to see the moment our target was clear.
Ohh, i like that line. Tidi, confusion and blood.
Remember, remember, Seventh of November, The tidi, confusion and blood. I see no reason why an Empire's treason should cause the tears to flood. |

Corp 5py
Trolol0l
14
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:53:00 -
[368] - Quote
ChYph3r wrote:
To you Empire Dwellers, welcome to how we live in null, bubbles, gate camps, and TIDI. Your tears are the best tears ever! keep them flowing!
Well, If empire dwellers had been nulldwellers they'd have had a dozen or so cloaky cyno ships infiltrate the target system, and would have tit bridged in their fleets like a baws bypassing any gatecamps and mostly avoiding thinning/spreading of the fleets due to max TiDi. Of course, during the fight a constant stream of reinforcements would have been bridged in, using the various cynos already in system.
The empire dwellers wouldn't have been able to 'get organized' as they lack the resources and infrastructure to properly mount a good fight against the enemy forces already deployed. Even so, a good titan bridge would have changed the tide even with empire bringing in a kitchen sink fleet.
Now get off your high horse already, this was a good ole' fashioned awox, led by ccp.
P.S. all empire dwellers are bow to mighty F1 skills of nullbears. Ah!, impart them with thy knowledge of the sikrit null ways and make them suck no moar!
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Hal Deville
Point Precision Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:20:00 -
[369] - Quote
I think the plan was to welp half the fleet to get numbers down and reduce tidi. Sounds like the plan worked. |

Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1203
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:27:00 -
[370] - Quote
Australian timezone here, so like those in the US the event was at a terrible time for me, around 5am on a working-Friday.
Despite that the news article surrounding the event sounded like a lot of fun. It was all the talk among my friends and in every channel I lurk in, so I was a bit pi**ed that I'd miss it as I had to work today and needed the sleep. I considered losing some sleep over it though, and setting my alarm early so I could at least experience an hour or two of the event.
In the end I didn't. I stayed in bed instead, and from reading all these rage-threads tonight I'm kinda glad I didn't lose sleep for this event. 
Sounds like a total mess. Not that I'd mind dying (in fact I'd expect to in a decent live-event), but I'd expect the mission to hold some sort of story that capsuleers could appreciate on the day, and for my death to be from a worthwhile fight of some kind.
Sounds like CCP missed the ball on both angles. Maybe that was intentional though? If so then it was a bad judgement call. |
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Tiberu Stundrif
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
96
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:41:00 -
[371] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Remember, remember, Seventh of November, The tidi, confusion and blood. I see no reason why an Empire's treason should cause the tears to flood.
Best post in this whole thread. We knew you guys were coming, we just didn't know it was going to be this awesome. |

KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:41:00 -
[372] - Quote
CCP AVOX best AVOX |

Utopia Atheras
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:42:00 -
[373] - Quote
If I were the CCP [hope they're reading,] this is what I would have done. Very simple, step-by-step:
1. Announce the event 2. Have as many staging areas as needed [maybe one in each of the empires] a system w/o stations where a CONCORD/Navy Titan would magically appear 3. Form fleets under CCP command [thereby assuming responsibility] 4. Bridge all highsec folks to the destination system using CONCORD/Navy Titans 5. Have CONCORD/Navy Titans on field for the battle [this would have exposed peopel to supercap fights] 6. Fight at the destination, tip the odds in favor of empire, to give players a sense of accomplishment 7. Escalate the situation by adding endless streams of pirates 8. CONCORD/Navy would announce their Titans are in danger 9. Evacuate all CONCORD/Navy ships leaving the players to die [including their CCP FCs] making it clear that CONCORD/Navy can't be trusted 10. CCP FCs would then try to evacuate fleets and get everyone back to highsec [or fight until the bitter end, maybe ask the people what would they prefer, therfore passing some of the responsibility over to each individual] 11. Most would likely die to gate camps on the way home anyway as all the nullsec blocks would be chasing them.
This would have achieved several things. CCP would have had control over the event [at least in terms of organizing and leading it.] People who participated would have felt safe with CONCORD/Navy in a CCP led fleet. Using Titan bridges would have eliminated the long travel time, gate camps [at least one way] and they could have bridged everyone to an already reinforced node, not to mention that taking a Titan bridge would have been a new experience to many players.
During the actual fight, players would have had a sense of accomplishment, trust CONCORD/Navy and be part of a Supercap fleet. When CONCORD/Navy would evacuate their own assets, leaving all the players [as well as CCP] to die on the field, the players would have felt betrayed, but their anger would have been directed towards CONCORD/Navy, rather than CCP. The CONCORD/Navy Titans leaving would have also introduced the element of chaos.
If CCP then decided to make a run for it and take the fleets home, they would have likely died on the way home to gatecamps, which would have been another dimension of the game, exposing people to real life nullsec play style. People would have likely enjoyed the aspect, maybe even thank the FCs for taking them home [or at least making an attempt.]
I know hindsight is 20/20, but it honestly took me longer to type all this than to come up with the concept... |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2436
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:58:00 -
[374] - Quote
I guess that it makes a lot of sense when the best part of a live event with the game developers, is to not be there... 
Anyway, if I had to pick a single lesson from this unmitigated disaster, it would be this:
1,000 hands in system are pure sh*t. It is not fun. it is no engaging. It is not interesting. It's a pure waste of time for the sake of wasting it.
Quantity (of players) over quality (of experience) is not fun.
Big battles are one of those EVE features you endure it rather than enjoy it.
Funny how it's a keystone of EVE's marketing: "BIG BATTLES at 1/20th of actual speed! Read your newspaper while your guns cycle and fire again in a minute! Groom the cat! Walk the dog! Learn Portuguese! EVE Online: the bigger the battle, the better you can do something else"  |

Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm. JIHADASQUAD
48
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:00:00 -
[375] - Quote
And here I thought CCP weren't interested in content for the nullseccers. |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:10:00 -
[376] - Quote
More tears pls |

Obsidiana
White-Noise
224
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:17:00 -
[377] - Quote
I think I believe in time travel.
I missed the event, yet I really planned on going. I must have gone back in time, hidden my laptop, and stopped myself from attending. Go future me! |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
1175
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:23:00 -
[378] - Quote
I like how most interesting posters are turned out to be "high sec dwellers" while "null dwellers" post single-string "essays" like "moar tears, use scouts, welcome to null". Probably because for null it was just another Thursday while for hi-sec it was reminder how CCP cannot gather their s* together and deliver any meaningful content since "Incursion" patch (released 3 years ago). |

Jack One-Shot Jackson
STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:34:00 -
[379] - Quote
Roflcopter, what a fail from CCP. After I stoped rolling on the floor   I thought there are just two possibilities:
1. CCP don't know how to play there own game and the rules in it 2. Somebody in Razor had birthday and they want to bring them a nice gift. |

Konrad Kane
GoonWaffe
88
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:42:00 -
[380] - Quote
I'm not very happy either.
The loot from those ships was pitiful.
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ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
70
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:48:00 -
[381] - Quote
If CCP had recruited some of the Null sec dwellers into the fray it may have gone better. But there was none. Darkside, Unthinkables, Razor, Goonswarm, Appetite for Destruction, Gorgon Empire, Black legion were all in the area along with us. It was supposed to be two sides but lack of communication turned it into a free for all and of course the null sec folks are far better equipped to do mass PVP.
If CCP wants to do these events regularly then I am up for helping organise things to ensure the best possible experience for everyone. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:49:00 -
[382] - Quote
Nomistrav wrote:
Get real dude, if anyone should suffer from this it should be you and your ilk for over-reacting, not only over this particular instance but over a -******* video game-.
I wasn't there, but what I read here doesn't seem to be an overreaction to me.
It's kind of the expected reaction actually.
Or even the necessary reaction as to me it seems as if the event was planned in a way that is rather unprofessional.
better no events than such. |

Witch Bernkastel
Six Flags over Jita
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:50:00 -
[383] - Quote
If you are sure this event was solely for highsec players - you have no common sense. Everything has been announced in advance, including the fact that you will have to fight another players.
If you expected some kind of a children's party from an EVE Online event - you have no common sense.
If you expected a fleet of random folks flying random ships coordinated by fleet chat to be battleworthy - you have no common sense.
If you expected any good outcome of heading right towards a big red dot on the space map within such a fleet - you have no common sense.
If you still blame CCP for not being able to get fun out of this event - you have no common sense. Because, you know, marching as part of a large fleet is fun tidi or not, and if you don't like it, you should have left the fleet immediately after confirming the destination point.
I just want people whining here to realise that it's them who failed, not CCP who actually delivered a great content. |

Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:51:00 -
[384] - Quote
As i wrote in the other thread...
Did you expect candies in Doril?
Also for those who are whining i even wrote in event channel before the **** hit fun " doril is camped you will die " well no one cared about that.
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Rhnra Pahineh
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
11
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:53:00 -
[385] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:I like how most interesting posters are turned out to be "high sec dwellers" while "null dwellers" post single-string "essays" like "moar tears, use scouts, welcome to null". Probably because for null it was just another Thursday while for hi-sec it was reminder how CCP cannot gather their s* together and deliver any meaningful content since "Incursion" patch (released 3 years ago). Actually, the ones posting the single-string "essays" about tears are just asses. Living in null is being aware of all the possibles dangers. So, yeah, you get accustomed to them but that doesn't make you a good player nor a good person. And I'm pretty sure that if one can get objective, even if he comes from nullsec, he would agree that the event was kinda poorly directed. But hey, we got kills! |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:04:00 -
[386] - Quote
You'll pardon me if I don't read the last 20 pages.
1) no Intel? 600 people roaming around hisec relying on uncertain and misleading TWEETS, going through heavy TIDI systems?
2) One day advance warning?
3) Drag a bunch of unorganized fleets deep into nullsec? Because the nullsec dwellers will stay put and let it happen, far from their mind to come and reap the easy targets.
I expected to lose ships; I expected PvP; I also expected to actually see what the event was, before or while getting blasted to smithereens by 24 different T3 ships ('twas fun to be oneshotted though :P).
I did not expect to come out of lo/null with my ship; I knew the nullsec dwellers would jump at the free killmails. I half expected to lose the pod as well (but I got that home).
What I did not expect was that I would've spent hours going through 10% tidi systems in HISEC trying to figure what the heck was going on where.
Say what you want, the issue with this event wasn't (primarily) the big ass ganking, it was the total lack of purpose or direction from CCP; I can have an "event" like that every evening - grab a PUG fleet in a trade hub and jump around randomly in low/null till no ships are left. Profit? |

Salvia Olima
FREE GATES
51
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:23:00 -
[387] - Quote
Once again CCP spitted in the face of it's loving playerbase.
I guess they had already forget the Jita Burning event.
Yesterday should have been a military parade of the empires and multiple titan bridges from hisec to the event system. Not a bitterly sour disorganized fuckup to many.
Once again, CCP, you have failed us greatly. |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:37:00 -
[388] - Quote
Keep them tears rolling 
To ccp pls do events like this more often gr8 time doing it I had no problem going In to null sec It was my choice to jump in. I knew that my fate was to die in a bubble but dam I had fun doing it |

Rias Bane
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:50:00 -
[389] - Quote
Under normal circumstances I would expect to to be trolled with a post like this with the ubiquitous "U-Mad?" posts but tbh I am.
WTF Were CCP playing at, seriously?
The issues,
Communication, non existent
Purpose, Not explained
10% Tidi for multiple jumps, I mean seriously if you are setting out to run a player event then look at your resources, this was a complete shambles and quite frankly I believe CCP should be bloody embarrassed with themselves.
If the intention was to alienate your player base then it was achieved with bells on!
Waste of time, really, a total complete waste of time.
Did anyone participating in the event actually get anything out of it (I do not count the nul sec alliances who enjoyed a turkey shoot as they may have participated but only in as much as doing what they do best every day which is blap people in Nul)?
There is a massive trust relationship between CCP and its hi-sec player base which has just been destroyed in what seems to be an enormous trolling exercise, I am struggling to convey quite how negligent CCP have been in this matter.
I would encourage any player who lost a ship to petition CCP for negligent behavior, I believe that as the operators of the game they will hold a "Duty of Care" (Remember that statement sports fans) to not affect a players experience by either their actions or omissions. I believe all participants should be provided with a full refund of any items/ships/pods/implants lost in what could only be described as a CCP lead massacre. I believe every player should also be compensated in some way for the monumental inconvenience this pointless farce caused. And if CCP try claiming no liability, lets all check for an online definition of "Vicarious Liability" on account of this event having been publicized on the EVE website, the log in screen and EVE facebook.
Secondly I would encourage all capsuleers to contact the CSM and get them on to this too because this level of failure is unacceptable.
The overriding aspect of this which I can't seem to shake is that we, capsuleers, are paying customers, have CCP forgotten this, I am to an extent a bitter vet because I've had nearly 5 years of broken game mechanics, non existent support for major issues (Tidi is Lag, don't insult our intelligence, A rose by any other name and all that), this event feels like it was not arranged for the paying customers enjoyment...but more for someone else's...but we are the ones paying.
This was the death of player events...put the date in the calender, erect a monument to it and for those who participated, never forget, and tell all of your little ones as they sleep in their pods never to embark on a CCP lead event because this is the true reflection of CCP's attitude towards it's customers, we are disposable commodities that will be smashed like a proverbial wave against a proverbial cliff face for someones enjoyment, but not ours.
And to the nul sec pilots, you lucky buggers :)
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:52:00 -
[390] - Quote
Set course for staging area. Saw the destination, I was like "yeah right". 180 degrees turn back to home system. I knew that even if CONCORD would be involved there was no way null blocks will miss the chance. Even if Navy Titans and whatnot would have been staged, trust me null players wouldn't have missed the chance to turn it into a bloodbath. It's null...what did you guys expect? (plus it is an obvious tie-in to the upcoming lore...) And about the TiDi...when was the last time you heard that uberfleets can roam in systems and not generate TiDi? What was in your heads - you thought just because it's a live event it will run on Skynet? Stop complaining about CCP's organization skills - if you actually payed attention to what goes around in this game, you should have seen this coming an AU away...CCP played it by the books. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
484
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:12:00 -
[391] - Quote
When CCP say "jump" you jump, then CCP just leave you there with broken legs. So typical.  |

Isengrimus
LOST IDEA C0VEN
5
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:13:00 -
[392] - Quote
Just FYI, there was more than "ONE EVIL FLEET OF NULLSEC MAD SLAUGHETERERS HARVESTING HISECCER KILLMAILS" (tm), perhaps the initial onslaught was done primarily by Razor alliance, but later on a full-scaled battle between nullsec powers broke out at the gate, and resulted in destruction of 3 capital ships and loads of battleships, not to mention the smaller vessels.
If the event was better coordinated, it could have been a great experience for the new players, giving them indeed a taste of pros and cons of the nullsec warfare (yes, TiDi, lag and 300+ enemy blobs are our common life, but so are sweet, sweet killmails, seeing capital ships melt under your fire and so on). So I can imagine people's frustration at CCP and it in fact makes me frustrated too, because instead of providing fresh and eager blood to our nullsec it caused many people to turn their backs on the null and come back to their silent loathing of the "EBUL ZERO ZERO EMPIRES" while mining veldspar.
So if I may suggest something - CCP, next time ask your CSM contacts who are the right persons to talk to in the nullsec powers, ask them for support. Some may ignore the call, some may react in a completely adverse way, but I am sure there will be nullsec players and forces happy to assisst you - just to annoy other nullsec forces, if not for anything else. |

Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
72
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:16:00 -
[393] - Quote
Isengrimus wrote:Just FYI, there was more than "ONE EVIL FLEET OF NULLSEC MAD SLAUGHETERERS HARVESTING HISECCER KILLMAILS" (tm), perhaps the initial onslaught was done primarily by Razor alliance, but later on a full-scaled battle between nullsec powers broke out at the gate, and resulted in destruction of 3 capital ships and loads of battleships, not to mention the smaller vessels.
If the event was better coordinated, it could have been a great experience for the new players, giving them indeed a taste of pros and cons of the nullsec warfare (yes, TiDi, lag and 300+ enemy blobs are our common life, but so are sweet, sweet killmails, seeing capital ships melt under your fire and so on). So I can imagine people's frustration at CCP and it in fact makes me frustrated too, because instead of providing fresh and eager blood to our nullsec it caused many people to turn their backs on the null and come back to their silent loathing of the "EBUL ZERO ZERO EMPIRES" while mining veldspar.
So if I may suggest something - CCP, next time ask your CSM contacts who are the right persons to talk to in the nullsec powers, ask them for support. Some may ignore the call, some may react in a completely adverse way, but I am sure there will be nullsec players and forces happy to assisst you - just to annoy other nullsec forces, if not for anything else.
Good post.
Unfortunately many of CSM are ignorant (look up Malcanis posts) and can't apprehend more than one point of view. Ripard seems to understand the issue though.
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Evemir Hemdaill
Falco Special Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:19:00 -
[394] - Quote
We did not expect to win with goons but we expected to have lots of fun. There should be fleets organized by CCP at each side. They should led players to battle, and they shoud fight with eachothers in titans or dreds to make it epic empires vs pirates battle. To not disrupt outcome of the event they could even all die in battle at the beginning, but the attack would be coordinated and epic. But this was a one sided massacre. Our fleet of 250 pilots didn't get there in time, but we still got there, fought and lost. So, great empire concord battle vs pirates with bows vs nukes. Pathetic. |

Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
183
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:23:00 -
[395] - Quote
By the number of pages I see we have a lot of wow wannabe themeparkers around here, coincidentally high sec dwellers.
1- All previous events were done in heavy TIDI, why were you expecting something different now is beyond me. Yes moving 20 jumps in TIDI is bad, but without distributing the people through many systems, the event in no way could've handled more than 2000 people.
2- And for all the people sperging about titans, have you ever seen what 2000 people bumping a titan would do? and using a titan is actually a foreign concept for most high sec dwellers.
3- As for leadership, CCP never said they were commanding the fleets, it is actually impossible. They just set up a fleet for the remnants of the EVE players that are too anti social that they couldn't find a spot in one of the numerous fleets that were going up, fleets with some leadership and most importantly comms. Yea and I have yet to see a player ever use eve voice, so please drop this ****** argument.
4- CCP jobs has always been, not to actually provide content, but to provide the "tools" to actually create that content, which they did very adequately. There was a lot of fights to be had and if you failed to capitalize on that is on you.
5- The more organized group should always win, especially in a sandbox. Coming and complaining about you doing years of level 4 missions was useless against a group you heavily outnumbered comes off as very whiny and really is only a behavior reserved for farmville players. All that experience must count for something right? Yes CCP created the event but it wasn't their responsibility to make you win or have fun, that was on you.
6- It was very clear from the beginning that this was a pirate oriented event, seriously you didn't think that it was going to be staged in null? If you can't afford to lose it (even your ****** pod) don't undock.
This event was clearly in line with what EVE is about, a cold harsh player driven (not CCP driven) universe. The real game is in dangerous space and not in high security space. The high sec player should be and are irrelevant in the shaping of the universe. You want to do your level 4 missions all day, fine go ahead, but don't come whining when you realize you are actually the lowest denominator in EVE.
Thank you CCP and the devs especially for taking the time to making this, and showing a group of players a facet of EVE they didn't know existed, and hopefully you can create more events like this in the future. |

Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
205
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:35:00 -
[396] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:Irrelevant clap trap
Oh you silly self entitled fool. I bet you hate anyone playing the game in any other way than the way you play it.
Tell me, will the next AT event be held in space that anyone can **** on the proceedings? How does the AT "theme park" event fit into your view of what CCP does/doesn't provide?
I don't do Live Events, but I can fully appreciate the disappointment expressed by those that did take part. |

Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
35
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:37:00 -
[397] - Quote
I kind of have to agree with some of the raging in the thread (trying to look at this from both sides)...
From a null sec PvP perspective this was like one of the pi+¦atas that just keeps giving. We were out on an op and got titan bridged back when it was confirmed by intel that the event route went though our staging, we had about 10 minutes to change ships and set up the camp.
When folks just started to jump in and get blatted we laughed a bit.... then they kept jumping in so we laughed some more... then expensive stuff started jumping in and we giggled like 5yr olds just handed a large bag of sweets!
But not even changing the route would have fixed anything because the event location was next door (Utopia? and was advertised!) so we would have been in there anyway.
Given that part of Eve is where 90% of the PvP is going on it was a bad choice for the event, badly planned and executed. If they wanted HS players to experience some PvP null sec style they should have got more people involved in the planning, better FC's for the HS team and just managed the whole damn thing better.
Anyhoo.... I had a blast blowing stuff up and even more of a laugh looking at some of the fittings! :D |

Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
184
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:45:00 -
[398] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:Joan Greywind wrote:Irrelevant clap trap Oh you silly self entitled fool. I bet you hate anyone playing the game in any other way than the way you play it. Tell me, will the next AT event be held in space that anyone can **** on the proceedings? How does the AT "theme park" event fit into your view of what CCP does/doesn't provide? I don't do Live Events, but I can fully appreciate the disappointment expressed by those that did take part.
Yes because the AT is a live event right? It is an event held outside of tranquility.
Anyways yes I am the "entitled" one, asking CCP to provide content for me =).
I am happy that your provided counter arguments for my arguments. |

Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:50:00 -
[399] - Quote
It seems to me this event was very poorly organized. Ganked puts high sec dwellers into 0.0 every weekend and it's great fun for all parties involved. CCP helped enable the flight of a 1000 rifters. There are a lot of people would jump to help CCP organize a massive RP-ish fight by providing scouts, fc's, voice, prizes and advice. But I agree with Jester, saying that CCP dropped the ball and dropped it badly. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:50:00 -
[400] - Quote
If it's a troll, I give it 8/10.
Joan Greywind wrote:1- All previous events were done in heavy TIDI, why were you expecting something different now is beyond me. Yes moving 20 jumps in TIDI is bad, but without distributing the people through many systems, the event in no way could've handled more than 2000 people.
Having an event in TIDI is expected. Moving 20 jumps in hisec in heavy tidi without a clue if you're going the right way is neither expected nor fun.
Quote:3- As for leadership, CCP never said they were commanding the fleets, it is actually impossible. They just set up a fleet for the remnants of the EVE players that are too anti social that they couldn't find a spot in one of the numerous fleets that were going up, fleets with some leadership and most importantly comms.
Leading the fleets isn't necessary. Telling the fleets what to do would've been nice tho. We relied on half-assed troll attempts and tweets from different source to figure out where to go.
Quote:4- CCP jobs has always been, not to actually provide content, but to provide the "tools" to actually create that content, which they did very adequately. There was a lot of fights to be had and if you failed to capitalize on that is on you. They have provided the tools 10 years ago and they keep doing it. I still have a very high esteem for CCP for making a great game and the only one I played for more than six straight months, despite it not being free.
But if you claim there's an EVENT I expect something DIFFERENT than the usual. I can grab a blob and go be killed in null or losec anytime. I didn't ask CCP to organize an event, but was happy when they did, and would've loved to participate. As it is, I participated in a blob gank, big deal. Not the first ship I lose in a camp and not the last for sure, and I'm not complaining about that. I would've liked to SEE the actual event though.
[qipte]6- It was very clear from the beginning that this was a pirate oriented event, seriously you didn't think that it was going to be staged in null? If you can't afford to lose it (even your ****** pod) don't undock.[/quote]
It was supposed to be staged in Meves and Sarum Prime. Not sure about Sarum, but from meves we moved randomly to stacmon under info coming from *TWEETS*. There was no staging point - 2000 random people joining for an event are not going to mount an organized force, unless there's some direction. From there we jumped into low, under the assumption that the blob in 8V-SJJ was the place to be. We didn't KNOW. We didn't have scouts or logi, as it was a PUG. I don't care about the lost ship (I expected to lose it), but as mentioned I would've liked to understand what the event was all about. As it is I saw a 30+ fleet of T3 in some backwater losec system, and I've got news that the event was in 8V-SJJ, but not sure about it - and this costed me two hours of crawling thruogh hisec space. I'm not sure about you, but for me traveling in hisec space is about as much fun as a canal therapy.
Quote:This event was clearly in line with what EVE is about, a cold harsh player driven (not CCP driven) universe. The real game is in dangerous space and not in high security space. The high sec players should be and are irrelevant in the shaping of the universe. You want to do your level 4 missions all day, fine go ahead, but don't come whining when you realize you are actually the lowest denominator in EVE.
So the whole point of the event was giving fresh targets to the nullsec players? You've got a very limited view. No company in their sane mind would knowingly screw part of their playerbase (67% is hisec dwellers) with the sole purpose of providing entertainment for the rest of the playerbase (20% of nullsec dwellers). The event was probably supposed to be a medium to give some more players the very much needed pvp experience. PVP in Eve is adrenalinic and scary - you actually lose stuff, not like every other MMO. People need to figure out how fun it is, before they actually put their hard earned isk on the line.
Quote:Thank you CCP and the devs especially for taking the time to making this, and showing a group of players a facet of EVE they didn't know existed, and hopefully you can create more events like this in the future.
Yeah. And the next time, make sure you know what you're going to do, and we know it too.
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Jendrick Vayle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:51:00 -
[401] - Quote
people keep on saying to participants "what did you expect?". Just because the event lead into Nullsec and people died there doesn't mean that the sentiment is automatically directed at pvp'rs for killing them. That's been stated over and over again in the thread and people ignore it and continue with "welcome to pvp". Players have been leaving lists of reasons they thought the event was BS that don't involve dying at the hands of pvp'rs for 20 pages. People need to Stop posturing like the participants are butthurt over getting podded.
Participants are angry because it was a bad event, simple as that. having everyone gather in sarum prime and then telling them to go 25 jumps was a bad idea. Not telling them that the final objective was in Curse until we were almost at ihal was a bad idea (most people are acting like that was known from the get go. It wasn't. I wouldn't have even gone if I knew the event was going to land me in Nullsec with a hodgepodge, pick-up fleet.). Starting the actual event that quickly (considering we were all in TiDi) was a bad idea. And ending it before the people who actually took the time to wait for their whole fleet and move into Null arrived, was a bad idea. Trying to avoid the pvp'rs and the little bit of fighting we DID do was the only interesting thing that actually happened in this event.
I would have made it to the event area, but by the time our fleet of 150 strangers actually formed at the gate into Null and pushed through the camp, the mission was over. Which would make me think, "wtf? an hour of TiDi. half hour of waiting for people to simply arrive and it's over before I can even get 2 jumps past mifrata?" I didn't even lose my ship, it was just a waste of time.
Just because people are upset at an event that ended up in Nullsec doesn't mean that the entire thread is all of a sudden directed at pvp. Pvp'rs need to realize that it was a bad event and people are relaying that. It isn't all about you. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
828
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:52:00 -
[402] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:3- As for leadership, CCP never said they were commanding the fleets
6- It was very clear from the beginning that this was a pirate oriented event, seriously you didn't think that it was going to be staged in null? If you can't afford to lose it (even your ****** pod) don't undock.
Just quoted the parts that matter from the rest of the post:
CCP did actually say that they would be forming Fleets in the systems at 1850hrs so get your facts straight before you try "Knowledge Beat" everyone else.
Nothing was very clear from before the event, during or after. People arrived fitted for PvE expecting some kind of massive "Incursion" style event and others just grabbed anything to hand. In fact you'll see people in the LE Forum asking if the event was over at around 2300hrs...and yes it was and had been for some time.
Information control was in place ot stop the Null Blocks from tramping all over it and while I understand that telling Capsuleers to go here under 10% TiDi and then go back 8 jumps and then to Null and then to here isn't organisation...it's chaos without rhyme or reason.
I came to be part of something big, to fight for my universe to participate in a "unique situation. We do not foresee having to repeat this call to action". Most pilots just ended in TiDi hell trying to get from some point in space someone had posted from some other channel or Twitter to the various channels that were supposed to be being used to co-ordinate an all Emperical Navy forces and capsuleer strike force.
Everyone I flew with was in something they could afford to lose and had JC'd into blank clones as most people know this. Don't come across as being 1337 and crap-posting just to feel superior.
The forum rage is about the lack of information on the event and during the event (if we can even still call it that). It's mostly not about the losses but about the information, formation and how that information was delivered etc. Twitter is not the best way since this was an In-Game Live Event being driven (or so we thought) by CCP\CCP in the role of In-Game Actors.
A lot of people put a lot of time (RL time) into this and that is was simply a clusterfuck of universal proportions. These kind of "events" are generated every single day in eve from pilots just getting together. We don't need CCP to gear that kind of content, we do that already. This was touted as being something of epic proportions and all it was was an example of a lot of people being messed about. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:02:00 -
[403] - Quote
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:It seems to me this event was very poorly organized. Ganked puts high sec dwellers into 0.0 every weekend and it's great fun for all parties involved. CCP helped enable the flight of a 1000 rifters. There are a lot of people would jump to help CCP organize a massive RP-ish fight by providing scouts, fc's, voice, prizes and advice. But I agree with Jester, saying that CCP dropped the ball and dropped it badly.
I agree. Joining RvB Ganked is almost always fun.
I expected PvP. I expected to die horribly (I had a clean clone). But, I also expected to have some fun. To experience something unique or special. Not jumping 23 jumps with TD10 to end up in a dead end in lowsec. Without knowing why.
Disillusioned I turned off the security system and attacked a couple of random people at a station. Lowered security status. Hoping to get podded to get a ride home, and an end to the boredom. But it required a self destruct.
I could have had more fun by myself. Running "Buzz Kill" three times in a row would have been much more agreeable, even if it is like watching paint dry. Or just jump into a FW system an point a gun at someone. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:02:00 -
[404] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Most pilots just ended in TiDi hell trying to get from some point in space someone had posted from some other channel or Twitter to the various channels that were supposed to be being used to co-ordinate an all Emperical Navy forces and capsuleer strike force.
Everyone I flew with was in something they could afford to lose and had JC'd into blank clones as most people know this. Don't come across as being 1337 and crap-posting just to feel superior.
The forum rage is about the lack of information on the event and during the event (if we can even still call it that). It's mostly not about the losses but about the information, formation and how that information was delivered etc.
These kind of "events" are generated every single day in eve from pilots just getting together. We don't need CCP to gear that kind of content, we do that already. This was touted as being something of epic proportions and all it was was an example of a lot of people being messed about.
This. +1
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Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
19
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:05:00 -
[405] - Quote
OK from my perspective - this was a terrible event from CCP
I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here.
My main issues are:
- Before the event, there was no communication from CCP - no in-game channel that everyone could join to get *any* information
- The staging system of FD - A well known goon camped system, with them getting at least a days notice that massive fleets of people would be coming though
- Sitting around for ages waiting, with local being spammed worse than Jita - then the 'NPC' turning up and trying to see their message in local amongst the goon and BNI spam - no one had any idea what was going on.
- Telling everyone to pile into a location, in null sec, with tonnes of dictors/hictors - basically meaning that it turned into a TiDi nightmare with no one having any idea what was going on
- Being shot at by the very Vindicators we were supposed to be protecting
As I say I fully expected to die at this event - but the planning and execution was terrible on CCPs part |

ArchenTheGreat
BRAB0 The Volition Cult
17
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:11:00 -
[406] - Quote
I really do not understand what was the point of the event. Was it for PVPers or for carebears? For releplayers? For new players or vets?
I joined one of the CCP events few years ago. We traveled few jumps reading some event chat in local hinting some opposition from empire (it was Guristas event). Finally we left hisec and event ended in lowsec. CCP left gang leaving FC position empty so we took the lead, warped everyone to planet to avoid guns and slaughtered all hi sec carebears in their faction fit Ravens. It was fun to us, not so much for them. No tidi and fleet was like 100-150 people so mostly no lag.
Yesterday we formed alliance fleet in Sarum Prime only to get info through Twitter (sic!) that we should move 23 jumps in tidi to another staging point. We chose lowsec route (still 16 jumps) to avoid congestion with hisec players. Unfortunately none thought about reinforcing systems on route so we had 10% tidi all the way.
When we arrived at losec border we got intel about large camp on the other side of gate. Large bubbles, sniping fleet at position, usual nullsec stuff. I jumped into such fight many times before but in properly organized and fit fleet. Our fleet was organized but as a fun event it was more or less random "kitchen sink" fleet.
Our FC smartly decided that we should have some fun despite CCP efforts to ruin the evening and we got some nice fights at station and gates in lowsec.
So what's the problem you ask? I had my fun after all.
Problem is I don't need to wait for CCP to get in fleet if I am alliance player. I do it almost every day. And when I do I know the purpose of it and I have some control over it. I think from the alliance player point of few this event was complete waste of time. Except maybe for people looting fields in Doril.
From carebear point of view it's even worse. They did not see capital ships, they didn't have even slight chance to shoot anything, they died from alpha in a bubble after travelling for hours in slowmo.
Few good advices for CCP: - make events more often so few people will attend them - make several events at the same time to split people around EVE - if you make event for carebears stay in hisec - if you want carebears to shoot something bring CCP ships, titans and capitals in hisec are nice targets to shoot - if you make events for nullsec players... don't. Every nullsec event will end in massive clusterfuck with bubbled gates and fleets in position long before you jump into the system. We have it without your help.
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Abraham Nalelmir
V I R I I Ineluctable.
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:12:00 -
[407] - Quote
Not sure if I can understand how the nullsec people understand what the people of highsec understand about what CCP understand the idea about this event... |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
86
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:13:00 -
[408] - Quote
Yall did go there like sheeps. Stupidly thinking will lead the flood of sheeps like their Sheperd. Oooops, red cro...wtf? Red skulls? Pop pop pop pop *** Seriously now. What did you guys think? Harry Forever killed the Goons, unified Hisec, and now walks on water direction CCP even to gathering wonderfull goodies fron NPC wrecks, in some nullblock backyard, wich block btw did run crying when they saw the glory or the Hisec Publord Swarm arising trough the gate into Doril? *** CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we. 
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
69
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:13:00 -
[409] - Quote
Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up.
I love how Brave Collective's in here feeling cool.
guess even tiny successes feel great if they're the only ones.
how people can come "uuuh, the tears" when there was a obvious ****-up is beyond me.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
69
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:15:00 -
[410] - Quote
Nuker Zero wrote:Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up. We are Grrrrr, we Are bigg!!!! We kill bunch of carebears look! Oh wait... You haven't done anything new... again... CCP did it for you... So... 0/10 I mean how hard can it be to click f1 when there is no real challenge... In your home turf... I luagh at your leet skillz And I laugh at your killboard.
I once read that the Brave Collective is a place where newbs can learn EVE.
based on this, I'd guess that must be another entity. |
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Witch Bernkastel
Six Flags over Jita
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:19:00 -
[411] - Quote
Jendrick Vayle wrote:Not telling them that the final objective was in Curse until we were almost at ihal was a bad idea If the exact point of destination was announced in Sarum Prime, a fortiori in the dev blog, the amount of pilots in Doril would crash the node.
Jendrick Vayle wrote:most people are acting like that was known from the get go. It wasn't. It was. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empire-navies-put-out-call-for-capsuleer-assistance/ We ask that any capsuleer who wishes to protect civilized space gather up at our two rally points in Sarum Prime and Meves on November 7 for departure at 18:50. Some believe it is a new assault on SanshaGÇÖs Nation while others have claimed it has something to do with the unusual explosion detected several days ago http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/mysterious-explosion-detected-in-syndicate/ An explosion emanated from the YFN-UN constellation in Syndicate http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empire-navies-expand-call-to-action-against-enemy-forces/ We fear we will have to deal with considerably greater opposition than originally expected
You were told that you're going to null sec. You were told that you're going to die there, because CCP employees suck in pvp and die miserably every time. Yet you decided that given the fact it was announced officially, a miracle will happen and you will be teleportated right to the destination and bad guys will not come for you so you can shoot helpless structures cheerfully. CCP didn't make that miracle happen and everything went how it should be any other day. What a bad guy CCP! |

Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
21
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:20:00 -
[412] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we. 
I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER |

KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
6
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:22:00 -
[413] - Quote
Well
Economy wont get bigger without consuming resources.. And who will buy new shiny PVE ships If you dont loose them like this..
Hell, your losses will help New Eden economy to get bigger.
Support the Empires even after your death |

Abraham Nalelmir
V I R I I Ineluctable.
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:22:00 -
[414] - Quote
I just want to understand something:
What does "you know this even is not for highsec noobs only?" with the fact that there was only 1 side who was shooting with no single resistance from the other side?
Nullsec "noobs" who fought in that "glorious" gate fight were sinking in their own happiness tears because they "won" on the "noobs carebears who came from highsec thinking that event is for them only!!!"...
NO YOU ARE WRONG, because everyone was expecting to die, but not in this fuckup on the gate, it is like the thing when you fit an insta-lock nado and sit killing every noobship in a starter system and say: "WOW LOOK AT MY KILL BOARD!".
And yeah, don't tell me welcome to null or pvp... I know both. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1823
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:23:00 -
[415] - Quote
So, here is my problem with the event.
Even before the logistical and mechanical issues arose, even before the TiDi and the funneling of a couple of thousand idiot PvE pilots who decided this would be a PvE event and fit accordingly into the meatgrinder that is Doril, the empires got an in character thread giving them a lore consistant motivation to go get involved.
No such attempt was even made for the pirates. A general call was made that just said "Hey, you want to shoot at CONCORD, pirates? Go here!"
But here is the thing: The pirate factions in this game are not a bloc. They don't work together much, and some of them hate each other more than they hate CONCORD. I had to piece together through knowing the staging systems they announced that this was going to be an Angel/Serpentis event, and that I therefore had no reason to get involved, either IC or OOC.
There was never any explanation given as to why I should go there, other than to shoot the, and I quote, 'good guys of new eden'.
But there are no good guys in new eden. The empires certainly don't count. Not individually or collectively. The Angels and Serpentis aren't. The Sansha aren't. The Guristas and Blood Raiders aren't. The EoM aren't. It's certainly not the Sisters of EVE or the Jovians.
This is not a game that deals with good and evil. It is a game that deals with strength and power. From a lore perspective, if there is ANYONE who comes out of this defending CONCORD as an entity, I'm going to feel free to laugh in their faces.
And that means that one of the crutches for getting hi-sec to participate meaningfully in these events in the future has been snapped, too. |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:28:00 -
[416] - Quote
Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we.  I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER
orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day. |

Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:32:00 -
[417] - Quote
You went into nullsec.
"Sec" stands for "security."
"Null" stands for "zero."
Live event or no, you went into a region that literally had no security.
It's nullsec, gentlemen. The gods will not save you. |

Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:33:00 -
[418] - Quote
Abraham Nalelmir wrote:
And yeah, don't tell me welcome to null or pvp... I know both.
Welcome to null.
Welcome to PVP. |

Carnip
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:34:00 -
[419] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote:Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we.  I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER  orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day.
Who is this kid from ******* SMA (lol) with terrible killboard record? Why are you acting so tough now? |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:36:00 -
[420] - Quote
Carnip wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we.  I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER  orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day. Who is this kid from ******* SMA (lol) with terrible killboard record? Why are you acting so tough now? Oh you baddie...
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Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
74
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:38:00 -
[421] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote: Oh you baddie... 
Says someone in a crap alliance and crap at pee-vee-pee.
If you got to shoot some defenceless carebears, there is no need to act so cool now. Calm down. |

Gabriel Asher
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:38:00 -
[422] - Quote
Like lambs to the slaughter.
I am actually not regretting missing this event, from the way it was handled, my time in Nullsec was actually enjoyable, especially during the fighting between the CFC and IT Alliance.
The last thing I wanted to bear witness to was a hopeless slaughter, Better to have goodfights than curbstomps in my opinion. |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:43:00 -
[423] - Quote
Jack Mayhem wrote:OldWolf69 wrote: Oh you baddie...  Says someone in a crap alliance and crap at pee-vee-pee. If you got to shoot some defenceless carebears, there is no need to act so cool now. Calm down. You kind sir seem a bit butthurt. Reading all your crusade on forums...eh, maybe not just a bit. You should relax, calm down. It's just a game. CCP did sh*t on ppl's fun? So what?  |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
832
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:44:00 -
[424] - Quote
KaRa DaVuT wrote:Well
Economy wont get bigger without consuming resources.. And who will buy new shiny PVE ships If you dont loose them like this..
Hell, your losses will help New Eden economy to get bigger.
Support the Empires even after your death
And who took a shiny to this...probably very few. I love reading your posts though, they're always so, ummm, informative? |

Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
21
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:45:00 -
[425] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote:Carnip wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Titus Balls wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we.  I have absolutely no doubt about this. It's probably payback for all the moaning about CCP giving out free IWatch Scorpions to SOMER  orly? "I live in lowsec and I love PvP - My sec status is near enough -10, and I went to FD- and 8J fully expecting to die - so please don't say I'm a highsec carebear just crying here." This really made my day. Who is this kid from ******* SMA (lol) with terrible killboard record? Why are you acting so tough now? Oh you baddie... 
Well the fact of the matter is you'll see me out in Lowsec almost every night - from Black Rise down to Bleak Lands, out in a solo ship or as part of a small gang. I lived in Catch and Provi during one of the many wars - I lived in Curse for a while. Hell on another character I was even in Groon and lived in Syndicate when Pyrion Flax was FC.
I'm not PvP adverse, nor am I naive to the fact that there would be camps and blobs and that I would definitely die - these spaceships are only pixels.
My issue is there was NO communication or organisation from CCP, and the whole thing seemed like a setup so that goons could have a good laugh at the expense of the poor noobs in highsec.
If this was a lore event that CCP wanted everyone to join in they would have organised it in lowsec - no bubbles, only instalock camps which are fine - you have a chance of escaping them, and at least the gate guns would have given the noobs a chance.
Instead they basically funnelled everyone into goon space and sat back at their party and had a laugh. |

OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:48:00 -
[426] - Quote
We should relax. After all CCP pretty trolled all playerbase this time.  |

Jaffinator
Fairweather Ice Cream Co Insidious Empire
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:49:00 -
[427] - Quote
GOD RAZOR STOP BEING SO SMUG OKAY YOU BIG MEAN NULLBEARS GOSH
But for real, I think Razor and anyone else smugging around here is just doing it because of the tears. The delicious, delicious tears. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1148
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:49:00 -
[428] - Quote
Genii Cucullati wrote:Abraham Nalelmir wrote:
And yeah, don't tell me welcome to null or pvp... I know both.
Welcome to null. Welcome to PVP.
Damn you're smart, you give classes? |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
833
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:50:00 -
[429] - Quote
Titus Balls wrote:Instead they basically funnelled everyone into goon space and sat back at their party and had a laugh.
You missed out " and sat back at their party and had a laugh while watching the carnage on their big screens and projectors from the Mad_Ani stream".
Got that intel from Twitter...seems to be the best source of it these days in EVE Online. 
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Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:56:00 -
[430] - Quote
Pak Narhoo wrote:Genii Cucullati wrote:Abraham Nalelmir wrote:
And yeah, don't tell me welcome to null or pvp... I know both.
Welcome to null. Welcome to PVP. Damn you're smart, you give classes?
We start at 00:00, classes begin at the bottom of your nearest whiskey bottle. |
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Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 11:56:00 -
[431] - Quote
It is worth noting that quite a few people in my fleet logged once the extent of the stuff up became obvious and went and fetched their null sec toons. (The idea that the game consists of two totally distinct groups, cool PvPers versus useless carebears is silly as many people have alts in both high and null)
The main concerns I have come across have nothing to do with dieing as most people did not get close enough to the action to actually die.
Major issues:
1. the initial change of location was ONLY anounced on twitter and many people including FCs thought this was more likely a twitter hack as nothing was said in game till much later.
2. Placing the original "fake" stage points next to major hubs meant the few rare in game CCP announcements were buried amongst spam as the hub spammers had moved over from Amarr and Dodi.
3. The very late confirmation of the event being predominantly PvP meant many people were stuck with ratting/incursion fits and could not leave their original "fake" staging system to swap to something more suitable without being locked out
4. Sending large fleets 30 jumps meant TIDI followed the fleets. For most of us it was impossible to cover the distance before the event got declared as over. Dieing was not an issue very few people got close enough to have the chance to die.
5. The long travel left FCs with a choice of either keeping fleet together and exasperating the TIDI or letting everyone travel in own time breaking up the fleet and making it hard to stay organised,
Overall though the main issue for my group had nothing to do with dieing in null ... it was the fact it was almost impossible to get there in the first place. (As stated earlier quite a few logged out and grabbed their goon or other null characters)
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Sneaky Jack
Kreetikal
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:57:00 -
[432] - Quote
Ok I actually waited till today to post, going nuclear right of the bat is not my style .
I was left In charge of my fleet, and together with 764 people on a gate. It looked cool .. "Dandelion" comes to mind when looking at a gate holding so many players...and THAT was the ONLY interesting thing about this "EVENT"
now the best part is, we ...waited...and .. NOTHING happened.
- NO INFO - NO CCP presence - Utter confusion - Newbie Players expecting to see something worth the risk of losing their small little resources left wondering if playing WoW is better.
the TiDi was interesting, as a stress test for the nodes. the "EVENT" was also interesting as a social experiment on Player Stress with CCP
Now having said that, bare in mind that "this" was the LAST ever CCP organized whatever I attended, and you can count on me and a "few" other canceling our plans for ccp fanfest 2014.
It seems CCP is back to the good o'l days of "helping" goon
nevertheless a question begs to be asked... WTF WAS THAT ?????????? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING????
the answer is Simple : BURN JITA BURN ! |

Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:00:00 -
[433] - Quote
You not showing up to Fanfest?
Well, gimme your ticket. I'll rep you properly by closing my eyes and running headfirst into an ice sculpture, and then find the nearest manager to tell them that my head's cold. |

SMI2LE
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:02:00 -
[434] - Quote
what did you expected in null? some rainbow-sh***ng-unicorns? one does not simply go to hell and expect virgins |

Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:05:00 -
[435] - Quote
SMI2LE wrote:what did you expected in null? some rainbow-sh***ng-unicorns? one does not simply go to hell and expect virgins
In my hell, there'd be virgins. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1505
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:07:00 -
[436] - Quote
On the brighter side, for the next 'live event' TiDi should not be an issue for the three people daft enough to take part in it. |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
124
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:09:00 -
[437] - Quote
I didn't take part in this event because of the time, and I'm glad I didn't.
To me it's glaringly obvious that CCP basically set up thousands of players to be the helpless victims of the largest gank in the history of EVE.
This is going to backfire badly on CCP.
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Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:15:00 -
[438] - Quote
Is any one rage quitting eve after this massive tear feast ? If so can we have you stuff.
O wait lol seem to have got a lot of it yesterday
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Anubis Aureus
Eagles of Wenin
20
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:19:00 -
[439] - Quote
SMI2LE wrote:what did you expected in null? some rainbow-sh***ng-unicorns? one does not simply go to hell and expect virgins
People call it "fun" Beeing slaughtered is no fun for most people. What did YOU expected from the HighsecCarebears? If you -after 22 sites- still are unable understand that the fewst "cries" about the fact THAT they did die instead HOW they died i guess its pointless to argue anyway.
People did expect fun. Something MEANINGFULL. Something special. Every highsec-carebear can go to a low/nullsec gatecamp and die there, thats nothing special. |

DarklordKarn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:19:00 -
[440] - Quote
I had a amazing time killing these gate campers :D
op success o7 |
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Abraham Nalelmir
V I R I I Ineluctable.
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:27:00 -
[441] - Quote
Genii Cucullati wrote:You went into nullsec.
"Sec" stands for "security."
"Null" stands for "zero."
Live event or no, you went into a region that literally had no security.
It's nullsec, gentlemen. The gods will not save you. Thanks for telling me the obvious! I really did not know nullsec means zero security!, and it had literally no security.
1 isk will be transferred to you as a pay for this great service you are doing by telling people that was a nullsec!
Quote:Welcome to null.
Welcome to PVP.
No point of talking anymore...
o7 |

Genii Cucullati
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 12:29:00 -
[442] - Quote
Abraham Nalelmir wrote:Genii Cucullati wrote:You went into nullsec.
"Sec" stands for "security."
"Null" stands for "zero."
Live event or no, you went into a region that literally had no security.
It's nullsec, gentlemen. The gods will not save you. Thanks for telling me the obvious! I really did not know nullsec means zero security!, and it had literally no security. 1 isk will be transferred to you as a pay for this great service you are doing by telling people that was a nullsec! Quote:Welcome to null.
Welcome to PVP. No point of talking anymore... o7
OP SUCCESS |

Zero-G
The Romantics
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:30:00 -
[443] - Quote
I almost made it to the first losec entrance before the event was declared over.  Jumping 20 systems at 10% TiDi is so much fun.
CCP, it would have been nice to know beforehand that...
- this was a PVP/0.0 event. (So one could have brought a clean clone and a cheap ship from the beginning.)
- the real staging point was Ihal. (Could have saved 1-2 hours of pointless travel.)
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Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:35:00 -
[444] - Quote
Normally I just ignore these events because it's not worth jumpcloning to hisec for a day to participate in some scripted event. But I had a newish alt and against my better judgement I went to participate in this event from the hisec side. Going into the event my expectations of CCP were very low and consisted of nothing more than:
1. I would be able to arrive in the system where the event was happening
2. I would get my ship blown up fighting other players in the event (nobody really cares about pre-scripted lore based event outcome)
Sadly, CCP failed to deliver on even these low expectations. Rather than have the event in a 0.5 and just flag all participants in system as criminals or use titan/WH transport to the desto system they chose to have everyone form up in hisec and then travel thru tidi thru known camped systems to the nullsec destination, getting everyone instablapped in the bubble camps along the way. I don't think anyone really cares that they died, I think the problem is they feel their time was completely wasted by CCP. The event was "organized" in a way that made it almost impossible to participate in the actual event.
Oh well, at least I was able to confirm that it's not worth participating in these events.
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fudface
ACME-INC
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:39:00 -
[445] - Quote
how about a comment from ccp?
even if its hahahahahah we got you :)
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Pyrra Helius
PrimeTech Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:42:00 -
[446] - Quote
I read the original announcement. It looked exciting. Explosion in wormholes, strange information. This appeared like a great story to follow up on. Looked too good to be true. A co-op fleet? In EVE? Get serious!
Well, I decided to give it the benefit of a doubt.
I fitted a nice sniping BS to be able to enjoy the view.
Then the 2nd announcement arrives almost last moment. The event had written "fail" all over it. Reminded me of a tactic CCP followed more than 6 years ago that led an average of 60k logged ppl a day to fall down to 21k. It was bound to happen again.
I left the BS aside, mounted a tanky BC and went to Meves to make up my mind; see if it was worth it. CCP appeared in a godlike capsule (mounted with a doomsday device) issuing instructions on local, amidst a chaos of chatter. I decided not to join, but follow and observe. It was very obvious where this was headed. The map data showed that clearly. I enjoyed the TiDi as it gave me time to make a cup of coffee and read the local chatter. I didn't suffer the pain of the Ihal people, so I shouldn't complain.
Reaching the staging area of hacmon or something, can't remember it for the life of me, there were just scattered people. Still fleets. Info was erratic at best. Naturally there were the null infiltrators trying to inform their alliance corpies what's going on. A few saw the stars holding something different than their flying stick, since all technology was removed from around them.
So I started moving around systems, seeing disbanded fleets everywhere. I had no idea Ihal was coming down as well (from the totally other side of empire space). I feel bad for those people. So I headed back, reading curses on local. The storm had already begun.
Originally, the energy of the people flying together was fun. It would have been a good fight had CCP exhibited elementary organization skills. But that didn't happen. Perhaps their software is not ready for something like this.
EVE is not a game, it's a scifi life simulator. If in real life there was such bad organization like last night's experience, I don't think there are words good enough to describe the outcome.
Kudos to CCP for their technical and graphical skills. Unfortunately, I can't extend it further. Organizational & leadership skills under pressure and tight timelines is not a common trait. But I expected better choices when it comes to something of this magnitude. What happened was simply poor and immature.
From the 900 people of Meves, maybe 200 entered nullsec. I lived in the zero zone for some time in the past. Flying there with a ghost of a fractured and disorganized fleet through a chokepoint is just madness. I'm just sad of the uproar this will bring and I am seriously beginning to think that Rubicon will be a move toward a very wrong direction.
I feel lucky as I eventually spent less than a couple of hours flying. It was good social time, but in my opinion, everyone should have left the moment the "officials" started announcing "directions" over twitter. That was not organizing, that was a public photo-shoot saying "hey, look how cool I am"! Thankfully, some fleet commanders were smart enough to send people home and save them further disappointment.
Some maturity an professionalism does not hurt, CCP. Actions like this impact on a very sensitive body-part: the pocket. And I have good reason for using the word "body-part".
Until next time. |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
239
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:43:00 -
[447] - Quote
I think they kept staging points secret so that 0.0 entities wouldn't log off supers/place cynos for pipebombing etc. It's a fair choice - the same happened to people that joined in to support the pirates. We initially got into FD- if I remember correctly, then moved by gates to 8V-. Our route was much shorter however, and we didn't experience any tidi.
Still, hisec->nullsec would is usually a longer way anyway. Maybe CCP should've broken out Faction Titans or something, bridge people out close? Give empire people a chance to drop from a Titan.
That said, I can't help but feel smug and throw in the obligatory "Welcome to nullsec". Also come to the dark side, we have cookies? |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1766

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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:47:00 -
[448] - Quote
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. |
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
124
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:48:00 -
[449] - Quote
Fourteen Maken wrote:Dear Nul people
Nobody cares about losing their ships, everyone that went to the event expected their ship would get blown up. It didn't matter if it was happening in high, low, or nul it was always going to end in a free for all, so stop congratulating yourselves, its a bit sad taking the credit for this. By the time we got the length of your fleets we were strung out half way across empire space and most just wanted to get blown up so the whole stupid ordeal would be over. A lot of people self destructed before jumping into nul, I thought I'd jump in and have a few seconds of action after all the time I wasted getting there because I had nothing to lose, but after reading the hollow boasting on here I see why people would rather not give you the satisfaction of a kill report. Your not the ones harvesting tears here, we were trolled by CCP, i'd just like to know why a company that wants to stay in business thinks it's a good idea to troll their own customers?
This whole event was staged to make high sec players into cannon fodder for nulsec alliances, they did everything possible to ensure we would be completely helpless when we got there, and they made sure we didn't know we were going to nulsec until it was too late to turn back. I'm disgusted tbh
This basically,
CCP stitched you all up.
Arf! |

SMI2LE
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:50:00 -
[450] - Quote
Anubis Aureus wrote:SMI2LE wrote:what did you expected in null? some rainbow-sh***ng-unicorns? one does not simply go to hell and expect virgins People call it "fun" Beeing slaughtered is no fun for most people. What did YOU expected from the HighsecCarebears? If you -after 22 sites- still are unable understand that the fewst "cries" about the fact THAT they did die instead HOW they died i guess its pointless to argue anyway. People did expect fun. Something MEANINGFULL. Something special. Every highsec-carebear can go to a low/nullsec gatecamp and die there, thats nothing special.
pretty sure a lot of player had a lot of fun yesterday. belive me, what you have done IS meaningfull, it is realy special. for us.
p.s. entering 0.0 you had died anyway so enjoy your temporary importance to New Eden |
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Trepalluim
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:50:00 -
[451] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote: Yes because the AT is a live event right? It is an event held outside of tranquility. And having a tournament doesn't mean themepark.
quite. outside tq. |

Carnip
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:53:00 -
[452] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??
Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:54:00 -
[453] - Quote
"I did not hear that" is one of the primary arguments in this trollfest.
Some of the nullsec badasses keep saying "what did you expect?"
I'll tell you what I expected.
I expected to know where the **** I was going - and no, "nullsec" isn't enough. I was on a clean clone and cheap ship (pve fitted, for sure), but I've flown around 20 hisec systems before finally being told where the event was.... by another player and coming from a tweet and with no confirmation whatsoever. And I'm not even sure it was there for real: I just know if I got there I would have done so after the event was ended.
I expected to see something different than usual - I don't really need CCP intervention or organization to go get myself into a losec gatecamp, I can do that anytime without TIDI and travelling a lot less than 20 systems.
I expected the nodes I would be travelling through to be hardened: instead, I was on a constant flow of 10% nodes. Initially I thought it was an indication that we were on the wrong route, but I'm not so sure anymore.
I expected that when CCP tells me to stage at a certain system, that would be where the event starts. Tell me to stage in some backwater losec/nullsec system, and I'll do so. I'll get there with a ship and a clone and be sure I actualyl get to see the event. If you force me to move unscouted with 20 thousand other unorganized people at a time where the opponents KNOW I'll be passing through and will be expecting me... then there's pretty little I can do to avoid a slaughter. Which isn't much fun.
CCP FORCED us "noobs" to proceed through dangerous territory in blobs. We could not do otherwise because we could not reach the site of the event at any other time, nor could we organize reasonably. The corps/alliances who can readily mount an experienced 100 people fleet are already in null. You have to expect that a pick up fleet made in meves in 20 minutes isn't capable of fighting on par with that, no matter their numbers. Force it to move through enemy territory at a known time through a known route, and you're setting them up to be slaughtered.
That simple. |

Sneaky Jack
Kreetikal
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:59:00 -
[454] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
yeah...the BIGGEST being the MISUNDERSTANDING that this was an ORGANIZED LIVE EVENT.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
239
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:03:00 -
[455] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:"I did not hear that" is one of the primary arguments in this trollfest.
Some of the nullsec badasses keep saying "what did you expect?"
I'll tell you what I expected.
I expected to know where the **** I was going - and no, "nullsec" isn't enough. I was on a clean clone and cheap ship (pve fitted, for sure), but I've flown around 20 hisec systems before finally being told where the event was.... by another player and coming from a tweet and with no confirmation whatsoever. And I'm not even sure it was there for real: I just know if I got there I would have done so after the event was ended.
I expected to see something different than usual - I don't really need CCP intervention or organization to go get myself into a losec gatecamp, I can do that anytime without TIDI and travelling a lot less than 20 systems.
I expected the nodes I would be travelling through to be hardened: instead, I was on a constant flow of 10% nodes. Initially I thought it was an indication that we were on the wrong route, but I'm not so sure anymore.
I expected that when CCP tells me to stage at a certain system, that would be where the event starts. Tell me to stage in some backwater losec/nullsec system, and I'll do so. I'll get there with a ship and a clone and be sure I actualyl get to see the event. If you force me to move unscouted with 20 thousand other unorganized people at a time where the opponents KNOW I'll be passing through and will be expecting me... then there's pretty little I can do to avoid a slaughter. Which isn't much fun.
CCP FORCED us "noobs" to proceed through dangerous territory in blobs. We could not do otherwise because we could not reach the site of the event at any other time, nor could we organize reasonably. The corps/alliances who can readily mount an experienced 100 people fleet are already in null. You have to expect that a pick up fleet made in meves in 20 minutes isn't capable of fighting on par with that, no matter their numbers. Force it to move through enemy territory at a known time through a known route, and you're setting them up to be slaughtered.
That simple.
A blob can be extremely powerful if coordinated well. All you really need is a 'sane' fleet composition and an actual fleet commander to deal with a rag-tag lowsec camp. Hell, an actual big blob of ships will disperse a camp on its own with raw firepower. I think you vastly overestimate the combat capacity of pirates and underestimate how much of that slaughter could've been avoided with decent FCs.
If we assume it's only PvE players involved, even an incursion-running commander has enough basics nailed down to know how logis and primaries work. Sure, it may not be a battle-hardened vet that remembers the bob war and commands a bunch of bastards so born-to-kill the first thing they did after birth was tackle the doctor and scream "point!" instead of "mama!", but it might net you some kills or at least a retreat without being slaughtered. |

Zim69
Zombie Apocalypse Redux
5
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:06:00 -
[456] - Quote
Since a Dev decided to stick his head in here, I might as well give my 2isk worth. The "Event" sound like fun...it wasn't. I've lost billions worth of ships in pvp, carriers on down, whatever. Its what this game is all about. Its just amazes me that CCP would go out of their way to humiliate 1000 subscribers like that........good job |

Jamison
Southern Gothic
14
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:23:00 -
[457] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
CCP Goliath, I am really quite suprised with your lack of any information regarding this event, that and the fact you decide to give man hugs to the person who wrote a thread about what they enjoyed bout the event.
Outside of RZR you have a landside of complaints about this event you need to address, these 2 seperate posts were really not the way to do that.
This harkens back to the days when live events were run by players who just used them to give themselves Titans, if you werent around then then I would ask round the office.
So to sum p everything it seems people are saying:
1) told to go to one staging area and then fly to another over 20 jumps away in high TiDi taking over 2 hours , Yes some people went the lowsec route, look how that worked for them.
2) No information from the CCP leads on this at any time, except to say they were leaving
3) no NPC Navies to help out
4) Event was over bfore we even made it to the 3rd location we were supposed to go to.
5) shoving everyone from Sarum Prime into several gatecamps, buffing the KB stats of some nul alliances and pretty much ruining everyone elses day.
Now do I get man hugs to? You know for all the great feedback?
J~
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:23:00 -
[458] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Killerjock wrote:You have to expect that a pick up fleet made in meves in 20 minutes isn't capable of fighting on par with that, no matter their numbers. Force it to move through enemy territory at a known time through a known route, and you're setting them up to be slaughtered.
That simple. A blob can be extremely powerful if coordinated well. All you really need is a 'sane' fleet composition and an actual fleet commander to deal with a rag-tag lowsec camp. Hell, an actual big blob of ships will disperse a camp on its own with raw firepower. I think you vastly overestimate the combat capacity of pirates and underestimate how much of that slaughter could've been avoided with decent FCs. If we assume it's only PvE players involved, even an incursion-running commander has enough basics nailed down to know how logis and primaries work
Trii Seo - don't get me wrong. I agree with you; but you made EXACTLY my point.
I took the liberty to embolden what you mentioned, that we lacked. I got in a fleet where it took 10 minutes to get a FC - we had no logi, no scout, no tackle. Our FC did all he could, bad but we were scattered all over empire. Most people in hisec aren't used to shut up and follow orders, especially from someone you've never seen before. Communications in fleet were overwhelmed with "go to stacmon" "go to ihal" "event is in 8V" "CCP_Goliath twitted this and that". We really had no clue. WE got ordered to move to ihal, and when the counterorder came to go to stacmon we were already in 6 different systems.
To get the fleet together in stacmon took over 30 minutes due to TIDI in hisec systems. Half of our 30 men fleet left before we jumped into losec - and I don't blame them. I would've done so myself, but I wanted a fight. At that point, we had spent over an hour randomly warping through lakes of molasses to try and get to the "fun".
Now, if you think that kind of blob can mount any fight.... you're more optimistic that I am :) A coordinated blob will be able to mount a fight against an organized fleet. If numbers or quality of ships are a lot better, you can defeat an organized fleet. But with similar numbers and quality, no blob can stand up to an organized fleet. And this is good; it is as it should be.
Point is most of us were cheap-fitted because we knew we'd lose our ships; most nullsec alliances were "doctrine" fitted since it was normal ops for them. So: better organization, better quality, and for what I've seen in my short trip, bigger numbers as well - I got hit by 23 different T3 ships + the tackle in my ill-fated journey :) |

DDymus
MadBot Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:25:00 -
[459] - Quote
One more carebear to cry :D I died, I knew it was going to be the case (how ever had time to keep away from the fight (obliviously slaughter)).
Was it last event for me - Deferentially not! I've got separated from fleet, so hadn't enough fun anyways.
All those Null'rs who say that they will always beat highs. im not doubting that point, but given yesterday's event. gate jump mechanics were on your side, gate transports how many - 50 pilots once every 5 sec? and you already have 200+ damage ships lined up in optimals (and yep with some experienced target callers). imagine all of this higsec people (there were much more than 2000 i'd imagine) just appear at once. but yep, you know mechanics, you set up perfect camp in bottle neck, you had reinforcements just in case, all done well, but from event point of view - it was strange, bacause nobdy really understand what is the point and the goal to achieve (so I considered my personal goal to die for greater good) and ye, i died to the guns of desperated highsec bears i guess.
next one - count me in! all sort of fun is fun, traveling in slomo also. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1421
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:29:00 -
[460] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
That is a pathetic response, even for a first one. In Eve terms, your response is the equivalent of Haliburton and BP after the DeepWater Horizon disaster saying to the world "thanks for your input on our environmental record, we will take it under advisement."
A few things:
1. Why not form up on the high sec staging point into low/null, so people who did not clue in that this roam was going to null immediately (I read the forces of evil post by CCP and stood down when the destination of Ihal was announced), would at least seen that from the form-up point. 2. Why was CCP announcing via Twitter destinations, as opposed to in-game. 3. Why was the Live Events channel not locked down, as they are on Sisi, when an event starts, so trolls and spies can't spread disinformation. 4. Why were clear instructions not given to use the Live Events channel as your primary source of information. 5. How could you guys not reinforce the nodes, given you knew precisely where people were going. 6. Given the size of this event, and you guys knew HOURS before 18:30 that it was going to be nuts (Sarum Prime was maxed out 70 minutes before the official kick-off time), why not pull in people to co-ordinate fleets. 7. Why not let people know that this was a null sec roam, so they ALL could fit MwD's to burn through bubbles. 8. Given that you KNEW, as any informed player would, that the null sec campers would have every planet bubbled, as well as the sun, why not have an CCP employee in every fleet as a scout providing a "relative" safespot, in the middle of deep space, as ANY competent FC would, if he knew where he was going beforehand.
9. And lastly, WHY ON EARTH SUBJECT THOUSANDS OF HIGH SEC PLAYERS TO NULL SEC IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! You ran 2 events simultaneously.. You could easily have had one in null sec, and the other in high sec, or even low sec. But no, you set it up as a slaughterhouse for the ***** and giggles of null sec players only, knowing full well the carnage that would ensue. No matter what CCP says, your actions prove that you hate your high sec subscription base, and consider your null sec subscribers as the only ones of consequence.
Truly pathetic. |
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Powers Sa
719
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:31:00 -
[461] - Quote
Anubis Aureus wrote:Lots of posts in this thread and i read them all. For me, i went quit early in my Prophecy to Sarum Prime, "fleet-fitted" with omnit-buffertank as its always usefull in larger fleets and i joined a more or less well organized armor fleet in Sarum. We had some issues with eve voice (as usual :D) and then went to several TS-servers. Later a rookie out of a helpchannal joined us and problems became obvious: she had 2 medium repper on her myrmidon. A quit young character with not that much knowledge of eve. When i joined the fleet we had 1 (!) logi while we had about 80 players of all kind. Quit few did not even know what a logi is. Broadcast? Never heard.
I'm pretty sure lots of people had such moments. Either way, after CCP announced the first destination on twitter (!!!! srsyl? O_o) i just flew straight over (23! jumps? srsly? O_o) there after i was sure, its not just fake (TIDI with not even 100 pilots in system?! SRSLY? O_O) I've put several rookies and friends of mine in a seperate channel to inform them about news and whats going on at all besides tell them some basics. It was also mentioned that it might be better to travel trough lowsec, because this route would be shorter, but there was a red huge red gang so i told them not to go this way. At my arrival i decided to join an armor fleet right there because mine was stuck some dozen jumps away. It was lead by the Caldari FC (which ofc course makes so much sense for a amor fleet ... wait, what?). By then i was still in contact with "my noobs". Then the new route to the new system (RMOC-W) was mentioned and i went with the lemmingtrain.
Most newer player taking part in this event thought they might be part of something BIG. Something IMPORTANT and GREAT. The fewest of them did expect what actually happend. It was quit early clear, that there would be a large gatecamp at the other site in Doril (from time to time a leeroy is handy, you know? :P) and it was also obvious, that there were PLENTY of pilots not even close to the stagingsystem. So FC said: jump in. People did. Not just the armor fleet. Well i waited a bit, because i was expecting the worst. FC had mentioned not to fight, and just leave the bubble with your mwd. Look at the killboads and count all those ships who not even had a MWD fitted. And of course new bubbles were launched, so screw the "we were afk, just our drones did the job" babbling. While some people fought back, most just did without any idea what actually happend. I managed to break trough to RMOC-W and i guess i dont have to say to much about the situation over there. At the end i lost my prophecy at a gatecamp when i tried to escape, at least taking one destryoer with me. And what should i say? That as the best part of the whole so called event.
Whoever the Caldari FC was: you did a horrible job. You left about 160players-fleet without a word, without any information. The last information we had was "break trough, kill the station!" with 20 machariels on grid (haha). At the end i tried to gather the remains of our fleet in RMOC-W which lead to a strange situation where i warped to 2 basilisk who were abonded by their shield-fleet as well and just joined the armor fleet to take part before the fleet collapse. Great. More and more player who were at the end able to break trough were killed for no reason because the damn station despawned already when still players tried to reach it.
CCP you just lead a lot of player right into a deadtrap for no reason. You left us allone out there to die. You made it nearly impossible for the more or less at least a BIT organized fleets to arrive and FIGHT. You just ordered everyone away from the staging system for 23 jumps with horrible TIDI. Dont get me wrong, TIDI itself is okay and i prefer it over lags. Its the way how it was handled in this case. When the whole operation started there were about 700 players in Sendaya. We were 1200 just in Sarum Prime, not even counting those at the gates / meves.
The whole organisation was horrible, execution was horrendous. Most player in the random fleets were not even close to have an idea what could happen and im quit sure that there died way to many just for that reason. CCP you failed!
About the nullsec camp: I can imagine that you had your fun. I did like the little battle at my try to escape also a little bit. But if you are really proud on your lovely killboad and all these nice little carebear-kills... well. Than im very sorry for you. I dont see any skill in killing player who never actually did pvp, might not even have expected it and were furthermore not even close to be fitted for it. Plenty player came with cheap ships, some came with their missionrunning ship. If you think, this was a great victory... Just remember your own time when you had no idea how eve worked. Yeah, usually noobs kill themself because they dont read the warnings made by CCP about low/nullsec is dangerous. But this time it was a CCP event. With fleets without any actual FC or any organisation.
Yes. This is eve. But highsec (and nullsec as well) carebearing is eve as well, as mining is. We are all part of one universe, we are all here to have fun. Some people have fun to **** other people off. So CCP should maybe just open up JOVE space and raid all off nullsec. Just let the highsec carebears fly a few polaris ships for one day. It would be the same as killing pve ships in an desorganized fleet in pvp ships. I guess i know which side would like the outcome of THAT event.
Dunno who you see it, i want more nullseccarebearcrying. Just go on bump titans and cry because CCP dont let "ya haz da kill"
So CCP, idea for next event is made up. Your turn. Lets **** of the other side next time. You seem rectally agitated. |

Malception
Cosmology
183
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:34:00 -
[462] - Quote
OMG, this is great! CCP, I wasn't even there, but I've been laughing my ass off all morning, so by all means continue these. In the future you should do more to ensure that all the bears believe they'll be safe then allow them to be slaughtered more. For the love of God, please lead them into wormhole space. Too many escaped the wrath of the nullsec fleets. We must have total annihilation!
BOB WILLS IT!!! |

Cheesy Feet
Anomalous Existence
39
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:38:00 -
[463] - Quote
Malception wrote:OMG, this is great! CCP, I wasn't even there, but I've been laughing my ass off all morning, so by all means continue these. In the future you should do more to ensure that all the bears believe they'll be safe then allow them to be slaughtered more. For the love of God, please lead them into wormhole space. Too many escaped the wrath of the nullsec fleets. We must have total annihilation!
BOB WILLS IT!!! What a plank! If only a few hundred players quit because of this then that's less potential targets to shoot for the rst of us and you think that's funny?
I wasn't anywhere near this disaster but it's still a nail in EVE's coffin as far as I'm concerned |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
239
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:54:00 -
[464] - Quote
Killerjock wrote: I took the liberty to embolden what you mentioned, that we lacked. I got in a fleet where it took 10 minutes to get a FC - we had no logi, no scout, no tackle. Our FC did all he could, bad but we were scattered all over empire. Most people in hisec aren't used to shut up and follow orders, especially from someone you've never seen before. Communications in fleet were overwhelmed with "go to stacmon" "go to ihal" "event is in 8V" "CCP_Goliath twitted this and that". We really had no clue. WE got ordered to move to ihal, and when the counterorder came to go to stacmon we were already in 6 different systems.
I suppose it's true, most fleets - even chilled out 'event' non-strategic runs like this one keep comms discipline. I can't help but get the feeling it was semi-deliberate.
If you look at the titan event, CCP spawned capitals and whatnot in hisec, made certain to swing the battle 'their way' regardless of what happened. This time it could've gone either way - with ISD vindicators out of the game on 8V side there was nothing stopping us from opening fire on the lab, so the event could've ended both ways.
"Fleet Commanders" of both empire forces in 8V- charged into the battle. Republic broadsword fell first, destroyed by BNI and we took out the Gallente Phobos. Both pilots have been podded. All they really did was scream "DESTROY THE FACILITY" while Serpentis delivered some mighty mustache-twirling insults. (Complete with 'dear dear' etc. not that there's anything wrong with that.)
It all looks like a play to make it obvious: nations no longer have the power to influence the outer regions. The Alliances call shots here. And what better way to drive a point than to "lead" people into slaughter? |

Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:55:00 -
[465] - Quote
Cheesy Feet wrote:Malception wrote:OMG, this is great! CCP, I wasn't even there, but I've been laughing my ass off all morning, so by all means continue these. In the future you should do more to ensure that all the bears believe they'll be safe then allow them to be slaughtered more. For the love of God, please lead them into wormhole space. Too many escaped the wrath of the nullsec fleets. We must have total annihilation!
BOB WILLS IT!!! What a plank! If only a few hundred players quit because of this then that's less potential targets to shoot for the rst of us and you think that's funny? I wasn't anywhere near this disaster but it's still a nail in EVE's coffin as far as I'm concerned
As a nullsec player, I really don't understand why other nullsec players aren't looking at it this way.
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Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
207
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:56:00 -
[466] - Quote
OldWolf69 wrote:Yall did go there like sheeps. Stupidly thinking CCP will lead the flood of sheeps like their Sheperd. Oooops, red cro...wtf? Red skulls? Pop pop pop pop *** Seriously now. What did you guys think? Harry Forever killed the Goons, unified Hisec, and now walks on water direction CCP event to gather wonderfull goodies from NPC wrecks, in some nullblock backyard, wich block btw did run crying when they saw the glory or the Hisec Publord Swarm arising trough the gate into Doril? *** CCP knew what will happen. I bet they had a good laugh. So did we. 
I guess your spelling ability wasn't part of the "F1 pushing test" to get into SMA Dude, you are best sticking to QQ'ing on comms about node crashes/missed titan kill mails and leave forum posting to the grown ups.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2439
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:59:00 -
[467] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
I would seriously consider reimbursing some ships. Just saying.  |

Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:02:00 -
[468] - Quote
Anubis Aureus wrote:Lots of posts in this thread and i read them all. For me, i went quit early in my Prophecy to Sarum Prime, "fleet-fitted" with omnit-buffertank as its always usefull in larger fleets and i joined a more or less well organized armor fleet in Sarum. We had some issues with eve voice (as usual :D) and then went to several TS-servers. Later a rookie out of a helpchannal joined us and problems became obvious: she had 2 medium repper on her myrmidon. A quit young character with not that much knowledge of eve. When i joined the fleet we had 1 (!) logi while we had about 80 players of all kind. Quit few did not even know what a logi is. Broadcast? Never heard.
I'm pretty sure lots of people had such moments. Either way, after CCP announced the first destination on twitter (!!!! srsyl? O_o) i just flew straight over (23! jumps? srsly? O_o) there after i was sure, its not just fake (TIDI with not even 100 pilots in system?! SRSLY? O_O) I've put several rookies and friends of mine in a seperate channel to inform them about news and whats going on at all besides tell them some basics. It was also mentioned that it might be better to travel trough lowsec, because this route would be shorter, but there was a red huge red gang so i told them not to go this way. At my arrival i decided to join an armor fleet right there because mine was stuck some dozen jumps away. It was lead by the Caldari FC (which ofc course makes so much sense for a amor fleet ... wait, what?). By then i was still in contact with "my noobs". Then the new route to the new system (RMOC-W) was mentioned and i went with the lemmingtrain.
Most newer player taking part in this event thought they might be part of something BIG. Something IMPORTANT and GREAT. The fewest of them did expect what actually happend. It was quit early clear, that there would be a large gatecamp at the other site in Doril (from time to time a leeroy is handy, you know? :P) and it was also obvious, that there were PLENTY of pilots not even close to the stagingsystem. So FC said: jump in. People did. Not just the armor fleet. Well i waited a bit, because i was expecting the worst. FC had mentioned not to fight, and just leave the bubble with your mwd. Look at the killboads and count all those ships who not even had a MWD fitted. And of course new bubbles were launched, so screw the "we were afk, just our drones did the job" babbling. While some people fought back, most just did without any idea what actually happend. I managed to break trough to RMOC-W and i guess i dont have to say to much about the situation over there. At the end i lost my prophecy at a gatecamp when i tried to escape, at least taking one destryoer with me. And what should i say? That as the best part of the whole so called event.
Whoever the Caldari FC was: you did a horrible job. You left about 160players-fleet without a word, without any information. The last information we had was "break trough, kill the station!" with 20 machariels on grid (haha). At the end i tried to gather the remains of our fleet in RMOC-W which lead to a strange situation where i warped to 2 basilisk who were abonded by their shield-fleet as well and just joined the armor fleet to take part before the fleet collapse. Great. More and more player who were at the end able to break trough were killed for no reason because the damn station despawned already when still players tried to reach it.
CCP you just lead a lot of player right into a deadtrap for no reason. You left us allone out there to die. You made it nearly impossible for the more or less at least a BIT organized fleets to arrive and FIGHT. You just ordered everyone away from the staging system for 23 jumps with horrible TIDI. Dont get me wrong, TIDI itself is okay and i prefer it over lags. Its the way how it was handled in this case. When the whole operation started there were about 700 players in Sendaya. We were 1200 just in Sarum Prime, not even counting those at the gates / meves.
The whole organisation was horrible, execution was horrendous. Most player in the random fleets were not even close to have an idea what could happen and im quit sure that there died way to many just for that reason. CCP you failed!
About the nullsec camp: I can imagine that you had your fun. I did like the little battle at my try to escape also a little bit. But if you are really proud on your lovely killboad and all these nice little carebear-kills... well. Than im very sorry for you. I dont see any skill in killing player who never actually did pvp, might not even have expected it and were furthermore not even close to be fitted for it. Plenty player came with cheap ships, some came with their missionrunning ship. If you think, this was a great victory... Just remember your own time when you had no idea how eve worked. Yeah, usually noobs kill themself because they dont read the warnings made by CCP about low/nullsec is dangerous. But this time it was a CCP event. With fleets without any actual FC or any organisation.
Yes. This is eve. But highsec (and nullsec as well) carebearing is eve as well, as mining is. We are all part of one universe, we are all here to have fun. Some people have fun to **** other people off. So CCP should maybe just open up JOVE space and raid all off nullsec. Just let the highsec carebears fly a few polaris ships for one day. It would be the same as killing pve ships in an desorganized fleet in pvp ships. I guess i know which side would like the outcome of THAT event.
Dunno who you see it, i want more nullseccarebearcrying. Just go on bump titans and cry because CCP dont let "ya haz da kill"
So CCP, idea for next event is made up. Your turn. Lets **** of the other side next time.
Quit: leave (a place), usually permanently.
Quite: to a certain or fairly significant extent or degree; fairly.
Quiet: making little or no noise. |

March rabbit
True Horde
866
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:03:00 -
[469] - Quote
Nuker Zero wrote:Farelle wrote:Vordek Rei wrote:Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
I should have remembered why I hate null, that much is true..oh wait, as soon as the slaughter become obvious on EVE-kill, I docked up..... Time to join Brave Newbies then. looking at your posting level (even lower than standard goons-style) i'm not sure i would like to be in such mindless group  |

SwindonBadger
0utbreak Outbreak.
17
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:06:00 -
[470] - Quote
I can remember my first Null sec gate jump, went like this. jump in, wait see pod + m0o for half a second then back in hi sec station :) This was when 25 people could slow a system.
Things have come a long long way since then, and putting myself in the mind of those pour turkeys who's first exspericaence of 0.0 this is all I can say if you lucky B3sterds.
I can understand the frustration , and well communication from CCP can always be improved, with some little work it could have been allot more then just a turkey shoot.
Im trying very hard to think of a cool way for CCP to do this where there is only one place the event is and no TIDi but its not possible with the numbers wanting to turn out v server power.
The only suggestion I can think of its try to split the event up a little for people in different timezones and space
So a rethink should be on the cards as it could be allot better for everyone, for me after months of inactivity is was very funny, just to hear both fc's fail so badly on target calling in the midst of the turkey shoot, thanks to DS it got a little more tactical and I could actually call a primary :) DS griffin tackled I don't give a f**k about the legion shoot the griffin !
side note dram cargo bay = fail.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
242
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:09:00 -
[471] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Nuker Zero wrote:Farelle wrote:Vordek Rei wrote:Yup, great way to make sure newbies never go to null sec again. If you want people to join null sec, you don't do it like this.
I should have remembered why I hate null, that much is true..oh wait, as soon as the slaughter become obvious on EVE-kill, I docked up..... Time to join Brave Newbies then. looking at your posting level (even lower than standard goons-style) i'm not sure i would like to be in such mindless group 
BNI actually showed up not once, but twice for that fight. There was a fleet of Talwars in 8V- and we ran into around sixty-man strong Rail Thorax fleet on our way out through K5-. Needless to say, both sides decided to have a good night and smashed into each other on the gate ;)
Brave Newbies are 100% adorable and 100% awesome, along with being 100% brave. Props for not chickening out and fighting, even though it didn't exactly end well for their fleet... |

Cheng Musana
BetaMax Beta
14
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:09:00 -
[472] - Quote
Havent done the event cause i was expecting something similar like this. My question is why you didnt used a highsec titan to bridge every 1 to the target destination? This would had eliminated the need for travel and get the highsec people stright into action and some sight seeing a titan. Youve could aswell spawned a wormhole to the target destination but that wouldnt look as cool as getting titan bridged. |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
124
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:25:00 -
[473] - Quote
I hear the next live event involves the placing of several afk cloaky campers in every CFC botting system for six months.
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SavenJerent
Sneaky Bastards. Mildly Intoxicated
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:33:00 -
[474] - Quote
Props to the Nagflar pilot who was on gate tbh. balls to the wall! |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Forsak3n.
371
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:35:00 -
[475] - Quote
Again, could not participate because I happen to live in the USA and work for a living.
From what I've read thus far, its clear CCP employees don't really know much if anything about large fleet movement and organization. Not trying to troll/be an ass. Just stating an objective opinion.
It would have been simplicity to spawn an empire faction titan to bridge these players into appropriate target systems, rather than making them slow-boat it all the way through gates at 10% tidi. Most likely, that is exactly what the nulsec pilots did once they knew where to go.
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Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:35:00 -
[476] - Quote
Andrea Keuvo wrote:Cheesy Feet wrote:Malception wrote:OMG, this is great! CCP, I wasn't even there, but I've been laughing my ass off all morning, so by all means continue these. In the future you should do more to ensure that all the bears believe they'll be safe then allow them to be slaughtered more. For the love of God, please lead them into wormhole space. Too many escaped the wrath of the nullsec fleets. We must have total annihilation!
BOB WILLS IT!!! What a plank! If only a few hundred players quit because of this then that's less potential targets to shoot for the rst of us and you think that's funny? I wasn't anywhere near this disaster but it's still a nail in EVE's coffin as far as I'm concerned As a nullsec player, I really don't understand why other nullsec players aren't looking at it this way.
They wouldn't want to admit that without hisec, null dies for lack of resources. |

Sven Viko VIkolander
Aliastra Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:36:00 -
[477] - Quote
THIS WAS THE WORST EVENT EVER. No ponies showed up, zero prizes were given out (I was told by a very serious source there would be a prize for best dressed--lies), and ITEMS were lost. Yes LOST. This is likely the first time in the game's history that ITEMS WERE LOST. I play EVE online, not SLAUGHTERHOUSE ONLINE.
In all honesty, I had a lot of fun watching both sides of this event on streams while at work. It was pretty entertaining to watch and I am bummed I couldn't be there. Thanks CCP! |

Lucy Riraille
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:37:00 -
[478] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
As much as I can understand that CCP doesn't want to comment on this fail event, but this comment is a shame.
We appreciate your feedback and are trying to figure out how to fare better in the future?
Seriously, who is going to get fired for this?
Upsetting 1000+ customers isn't an easy task and should have consequences on CEO level!
Why chose a nillsec system that is a staging area for goons and razor? Why announce the system for the gankers instead of giving gankers an equal travel time? Why does the ccp FC commands to jump into an identified gatecamp and why did he leave the fleet after his fleet was destroyed without jumpin into the system? This smells badly like a conspiracy...
At least read all these friggin threads and consider the valid advice. Why must EVE players always vote "with their feet"? Next time that such an event is planned, I can only hope that alle the EVE bloggers warn the community not to show up und remind us what happened yesterday and that it will happen again as long as CCP doesn't hire professional game designers and experienced FC.
Time delay wasn't a hardware ressource problem! It was a decision taken by managers at CCP! |

Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
54
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:40:00 -
[479] - Quote
Okay. Hisec guys.
TDI sucks. That could have been avoided - it's a gameplay/server issue, NOT a roleplay issue.
But we've got some serious roleplay issues going down now, don't we?
Stop getting mad at CCP for leading you into an ambush. CCP didn't lead you anywhere. NPC factions led you there.
NPC factions don't care about you.
So you have a couple choices here.
You can leave a game, which was the same yesterday as it is today...
Or you can get your own back.
Form up and take the fight to losec. Take the fight to null sec. Form up and group up and show them that hisec people shouldn't be messed with. That we might know how to mine, and we might know how to build stuff, but we also know how to blow stuff up and there's a lot more of us than there are of them.
Or, you know, go back to mining and wait for them to conquer us. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
11
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:48:00 -
[480] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Okay. Hisec guys. TDI sucks. That could have been avoided - it's a gameplay/server issue, NOT a roleplay issue. But we've got some serious roleplay issues going down now, don't we?
Well, you might have a roleplay issue. I surely don't.
I could not care less about role playing and I will not be forced into it just because you decided to entertain selective schizophrenia. Go play "roleplay" in EVE if you want. Don't tell me I have to - when I want to roleplay I go play a ROLE PLAYING GAME. You know, tabletop. TIDI isn't the issue. Go back and actually read what people complain about, might give you some insight.
This is ESPECIALLY true since the NPC corps did not tell me where to go. TWITTER did. CCP on Twitter, to be precise. Get a grip. |
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EchoMasterMind
SoLuTech - Your Solution for Everything
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:49:00 -
[481] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_CfMSfYfw
Here's a short trailer for the upcoming movie of the event! |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2439
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:51:00 -
[482] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Play my way or go away!
Never seen that argument before. 
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Jase Fairimor
Empty Wallets Inc. Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:54:00 -
[483] - Quote
Thanks for all the tears...
I ran out of Sugar and my Cheerios were kind of bland this morning. All better now.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
238
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:55:00 -
[484] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Okay. Hisec guys.
TDI sucks. That could have been avoided - it's a gameplay/server issue, NOT a roleplay issue.
But we've got some serious roleplay issues going down now, don't we?
Stop getting mad at CCP for leading you into an ambush. CCP didn't lead you anywhere. NPC factions led you there.
NPC factions don't care about you.
So you have a couple choices here.
You can leave a game, which was the same yesterday as it is today...
Or you can get your own back.
Form up and take the fight to losec. Take the fight to null sec. Form up and group up and show them that hisec people shouldn't be messed with. That we might know how to mine, and we might know how to build stuff, but we also know how to blow stuff up and there's a lot more of us than there are of them.
Or, you know, go back to mining and wait for them to conquer us. they won't, they only came along because they were expecting CCP to spawn NPC to wtfpwnbbq anyone not int the event fleet
in a nutshell, they came only because they expected a GM to cheat their fight so they would win |

Treborr MintingtonJr
The Knights of Spamalot The Methodical Alliance
29
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:57:00 -
[485] - Quote
A prime example of how kicthen sink fleets...suck.
After reading what went down I do sympathise with the high-sec peeps, the so called "FC's" made some proper school boy errors.
I personally would love you all to try again when you're all organised, eve should always be about good fights. 1000's of people from highsec invading nullsec has the potential to be awesome. |

Freelancer117
so you want to be a Hero
87
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:57:00 -
[486] - Quote
Excellent **** move CCP
Leading one of my alts along with thousands of others like lambs to the slaughter.
Maybe slaughter is the best medicine to let some of us hisec dwellers know we should leave and find greener pastures in upcoming spaceship games.
I was in the official live-events channel fleet, we had 220+ armor fitted ships with logi support and a proven super general FC.
But you couldn't wait 5-10mins for us to land in the 8V-SJJ system, we were sitting on the gate ffs waiting for stragglers to arrive because of TiDi ?
Another excellent **** move CCP 
And lastly if you are going to do such an event and announce it's the biggest empire fleet op since 200 years (lore),
why the hell did we still got TiDi and didn't you made proper precautions for not wasting our time traveling under that much load.
Where is the brain-in-box or other supposedly developed measures to combat this ?
You fooked up big time CCP, and I even expect you will use this Live Event as a showcase to promote the game no doubt, ignoring the feelings of small part of the community. |

Carnip
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:58:00 -
[487] - Quote
Jase Fairimor wrote:Thanks for all the tears...
I ran out of Sugar and my Cheerios were kind of bland this morning. All better now.
Wow, another baddass tough guy from FATAL ASCENSION. The greatest PVPers of all time who never ever carebear.
Please dude, hide somewhere and let your daddy goons or at least razor do the talking. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1425
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:58:00 -
[488] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote:I hear the next live event involves the placing of several afk cloaky campers in every CFC botting system for six months.
Would not that be sweet.
I would seriously consider firing up on the accounts I idled to put a char in a CFC botting system 23/7, if I knew thousands others were doing it to. But of course, such an action would have swift reaction from the dev's, and hanging out cloaked in a CFC botting system, whether at the keyboard or not, would be swiftly banned. |

PrincessButtercup
Miners of Moria Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:58:00 -
[489] - Quote
I only see two types of comments here:
1) yeah bears need to die as null is so scary --- been there done that --- it aint 2) event promised to be something --- it wasn't
1) type players prob wont rant about it sucking as its pvp they do mostly and when u have ppl who expect a massive pve event jumping into a mega bubble pvp gank it will be hilarious of course, yet a total troll for the high sec players
2) whadafuq ? I mean the last time a event that got great reviews happened was the high sec titan fight,,,, low sec had the titan give away.
After playing on various toons for a decade now I must admit this "event" ranks up there with other massive cluster-F***s I have seen, thank got WoWP launches next week. |

Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
74
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:59:00 -
[490] - Quote
EchoMasterMind wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_CfMSfYfw
Here's a short trailer for the upcoming movie of the event!
Great little video. Music doesn't really fit though. |
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Jase Fairimor
Empty Wallets Inc. Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:03:00 -
[491] - Quote
Carnip wrote:Jase Fairimor wrote:Thanks for all the tears...
I ran out of Sugar and my Cheerios were kind of bland this morning. All better now.
Wow, another baddass tough guy from FATAL ASCENSION. The greatest PVPers of all time who never ever carebear. Please dude, hide somewhere and let your daddy goons or at least razor do the talking.
I carebear with the best of them boyo. :)
Please continue!
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March rabbit
True Horde
867
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:05:00 -
[492] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Brave Newbies are 100% adorable and 100% awesome, along with being 100% brave. Props for not chickening out and fighting, even though it didn't exactly end well for their fleet... i haven't seen them in battle or in RL so only information source i have: forums. And this source gives very bad picture 
So i will keep my opinion for this time  |

March rabbit
True Horde
867
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:14:00 -
[493] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:
Stop getting mad at CCP for leading you into an ambush. CCP didn't lead you anywhere. NPC factions led you there.
NPC factions don't care about you.
my 7yo daughter doesn't believe in Santa Claus already 
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Nongrat
MOON 437 Shine of Selene
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:14:00 -
[494] - Quote
And the award "hands from ass" goes for organizing this event. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
233
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:21:00 -
[495] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. That is a pathetic response, even for a first one. In Eve terms, your response is the equivalent of Haliburton and BP after the DeepWater Horizon disaster saying to the world "thanks for your input on our environmental record, we will take it under advisement." A few things: 1. Why not form up on the high sec staging point into low/null, so people who did not clue in that this roam was going to null immediately (I read the forces of evil post by CCP and stood down when the destination of Ihal was announced), would at least seen that from the form-up point. 2. Why was CCP announcing via Twitter destinations, as opposed to in-game. 3. Why was the Live Events channel not locked down, as they are on Sisi, when an event starts, so trolls and spies can't spread disinformation. 4. Why were clear instructions not given to use the Live Events channel as your primary source of information. 5. How could you guys not reinforce the nodes, given you knew precisely where people were going. 6. Given the size of this event, and you guys knew HOURS before 18:30 that it was going to be nuts (Sarum Prime was maxed out 70 minutes before the official kick-off time), why not pull in people to co-ordinate fleets. 7. Why not let people know that this was a null sec roam, so they ALL could fit MwD's to burn through bubbles. 8. Given that you KNEW, as any informed player would, that the null sec campers would have every planet bubbled, as well as the sun, why not have an CCP employee in every fleet as a scout providing a "relative" safespot, in the middle of deep space, as ANY competent FC would, if he knew where he was going beforehand. 9. And lastly, WHY ON EARTH SUBJECT THOUSANDS OF HIGH SEC PLAYERS TO NULL SEC IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! You ran 2 events simultaneously.. You could easily have had one in null sec, and the other in high sec, or even low sec. But no, you set it up as a slaughterhouse for the ***** and giggles of null sec players only, knowing full well the carnage that would ensue. No matter what CCP says, your actions prove that you hate your high sec subscription base, and consider your null sec subscribers as the only ones of consequence. Truly pathetic.
All valid points, but tbh if Goliath hasnt discussed this with the rest of the team then it would be pretty arrogant for him to assume the responsibility to providing every answer. To point number 2, that was actually a brilliant move. You see they moved the staging area to the high sec system right next to where we were going. Now the tweet read that we needed to TRICKLE over little at a time to avoid triggering TiDi in every system. I can only imagine the tweeted it to delay how many people got the message.
This actually happened to some extent, I was in the event channel and someone mentioned the tweet and told everyone to move over, some rejected it as an official message from CCP. If they had disclosed the information ingame in sarum local, all 1200 would have warped and jumped at once creating MASSIVE TiDi through the region. I got the tweet early and moved ahead of the pack. Had the assembled groups staggered their travel it would have helped. However, everyone decided to all move at once and then get pissed because of the TiDi.
The only other comment I have is for players knowing if it were null sec run. We certainly knew that, I flipping knew that thats why my omen had a MJD, The time the announced you could fight with the pirates and the empires were taking an offensive action against pirates, and the two null systems as pirate staging areas...those are all common sense clues. If no one understood that...thats their own fault.
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Andy Koraka
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:22:00 -
[496] - Quote
Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:THIS WAS THE WORST EVENT EVER. No ponies showed up, zero prizes were given out (I was told by a very serious source there would be a prize for best dressed--lies), and ITEMS were lost. Yes LOST. This is likely the first time in the game's history that ITEMS WERE LOST. I play EVE online, not SLAUGHTERHOUSE ONLINE.
In all honesty, I had a lot of fun watching both sides of this event on streams while at work. It was pretty entertaining to watch and I am bummed I couldn't be there. Thanks CCP!
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect in those statements. There were indeed PWWNys on field as part of the EMP fleet. They also partipated in beating the snot out of a Highsec Pinata (IE: the prize).
I hope this clarifies the situation. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1508
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:33:00 -
[497] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
Movements announced on Twitter?
So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online?
As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics.
Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost.
Twitter, jeez... |

Countess Lamorei
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:33:00 -
[498] - Quote
A lot of, welcome to null, what did you expect...
The real question is.
What did CCP expect. (nb obviously not all of ccp, but definitely the live event team)
Think like this. Say your part of a large nulsec bloc, your one of the big players, you have hundreds of pilots, in doctrine ships, a solid FC team, spies and scouts. Would you advertise an operation to the whole of EVE, with no back up, and then plan it not just next to one of the largest nulsec bloc's staging system, but plan a standard gate travel route through said system.
No.
Thats the issue for many here, quite a few of the nulseccers, when not laughing hysterically at what happened, also see this.
Now thinking pragmatically, highseccers NEEDED this kick in the butt, a wake up call of how ineffective an uncoordinated mass of pilots can be, against an enemy that does this everyday every week. Some in empire who had no clue, now are starting to realize exactly how much firepower nulsec blocks actually have, and that cfc combined fleet that decimated the highsec fleet was at a guess about 10-15% of cfc full deployment non capital strength.
From the stuff coming out, do highseccers even realize that the scrap the nul powers had after they died resulted in higher isk loss than everything they lost combined? Nope I bet they have no clue.
But how CCP got this message across... not good for the game. For me it showed 1 of 2 things, either :- CCP is so out of touch with there own game, its mechanics, its nul politics, that they are woefully incompetent, or. CCP literally just led a few thousand paying customers to a slowmo slaughter on purpose.
nb I live in low/nul I love this mass destruction, but seriously CCP should work on more server stability right now, didn't fanfest promise and I quote "No more Jesus features" |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
209
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 15:41:00 -
[499] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. Movements announced on Twitter? So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online? As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics. Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost. Twitter, jeez...
lets add a facebook acount to :P
thanks for screwing up my trust years ago so i didnt participated....saves so much tears  |

Jamison
Southern Gothic
18
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:45:00 -
[500] - Quote
Here are a few choice quotes fro an article today about the event, you know, in case you dont have time to read it.
"In Doril there were a few attempts at fleet command by the CCP actor, but it was, basically, get out of the bubbles and warp to planet four. This would not have been a huge deal if the CCP actor had not put up an official fleet. By doing that, CCP assumed responsibility for that fleet and should have lead them accordingly."
"There is another group of players that are quite upset at the event, almost exclusively high sec players. There are a few major points that arise. The first is the travel from one system to another under maximum TiDi. The second is that the players from empire were, essentially, lead like lambs to the slaughter and almost no direction was provided to the empire participants by CCP. Lastly, the event was again, scheduled so that US players would mostly not be able to make it. None of these points are invalid."
And my favorite:
"One Goonswarm Federation fleet commander, Mister Vee remarked that GÇÿwhoever planned this event was really f***ing naiveGÇÖ as he saw the enemy ships jump in. The massacre of so many players from empire almost seemed planned and, indeed, some players are saying it was intended."
The full article can be found here: http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage
http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=644652
I know she should have jumped into a fresh clone, but looking at that and knowing what happened makes me wonder what CCP was thinking when this idea sprung up, please feel free to explain that to me Goliath. |
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Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
25
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:45:00 -
[501] - Quote
disasteur wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. Movements announced on Twitter? So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online? As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics. Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost. Twitter, jeez... lets add a facebook acount to :P thanks for screwing up my trust years ago so i didnt participated....saves so much tears 
And now CCP are using that to punt us their Gé¼70 hoodies and Gé¼30 euro T-shirts that no one really wants or will pay that price for.
THANKS CCPBAMA |

Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:48:00 -
[502] - Quote
Octoven wrote:The only other comment I have is for players knowing if it were null sec run. We certainly knew that, I flipping knew that thats why my omen had a MJD, The time the announced you could fight with the pirates and the empires were taking an offensive action against pirates, and the two null systems as pirate staging areas...those are all common sense clues. If no one understood that...thats their own fault. I am pretty sure that your Omen did not have a MJD. The Omen being a cruiser and the MJD module being limited to battleships, black ops and marauders? |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1775

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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:50:00 -
[503] - Quote
Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?
You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement. |
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O'drwex Dythoni
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:50:00 -
[504] - Quote
CCP. Next time make a twitch stream out of it. or atleast a pre-recorded video. maybe some stat cams on the stream where you expect ppl to be meatgrinded. But not a DAMN TWIT, information and communication was the lamest ever, ppl barely knew what to do. This so called ' event ' wasnt worth my time, but i was verry excited about it before it started.
-note. i survived this event, so i'm not crying about a few bil loss- |

Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
88
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:54:00 -
[505] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
This "misunderstanding" statement is just like that still unresolved situation where one of your GMs declared that we could be banned for impersonating ourselves. Then another GM had to come along and "clear up one little misunderstanding" of the playerbase in a transparent overruling of the first GM; link. Once again, there is no misunderstanding on our part; it's you at CCP that doesn't understand. CCP should be very thankful that their product is so unique because your arrogance and lack of communication would be extremely bad if you had any viable competitors. |

Tripden
Modern Ancient Virtual Reality
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:54:00 -
[506] - Quote
I was there,to participate on the biggest Fail LIve Event Eve online ever since its made! CCP u dont give a f.. what your players says,u worry only about PLEX and some new background pixel images called "new expansion" .
CCP&null-lowsec doctrine let the players to decide what they want to play in this game EVE Online |

Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:54:00 -
[507] - Quote
Cheng Musana wrote:Havent done the event cause i was expecting something similar like this. My question is why you didnt used a highsec titan to bridge every 1 to the target destination? This would had eliminated the need for travel and get the highsec people stright into action and some sight seeing a titan. Youve could aswell spawned a wormhole to the target destination but that wouldnt look as cool as getting titan bridged.
That would have made the hours of warping and utter confusion worth it, especially for a noob like me who has never even seen a titan in the game let alone been bridged into a fleet battle by one . On the other hand I have blundered into many gate camps, and they were never fun, not even the first time... especially not the first time.
We should have been given more information, why didn't they just tell us we would be going to nul a few hours before the event started, the more experienced pilots could have given us newer players a heads up on what to expect there, and what type of ships to bring. The local and event channels should have been full of fleet adverts, fitting doctrines and information direct from ccp about what exactly was happening. Instead it was full of conflicting information and people wondering what the hell was going on, and with no input from games masters or any officials we were left wondering if the information was legit or just wumming.
NPC navies could have provided support in the form of titans which high sec alliances don't have access to, for example when a fleet (run by a proper eve fleet commander, not some ccp desk jockey) got a few hundred members a titan could have been provided to bridge them into the system at the appointed time. In faction warfare adhoc fleets of disparate people with varying skills are formed up regularly for roams etc, fleet commanders tell us what type of ships they want and there is usually a role even low sp characters can fill. Those fleets are a good laugh even when they end in disaster... this thing was anything but fun. No doubt we were never going to be a match for nulsec alliances, but it could have been a good experience for everyone involved, and really peaked a lot of peoples interest in large fleet warfare. The load could have been spread out across multiple systems to keep TiDi at a minimum outside the system where the actual event was happening. What we got was thousands of uninformed, and unprepared pubbies funneled into nulsec gate camps to be humiliated. If it had been done properly I would have went with the fleet got popped, immediately re shipped and tried to find another fleet so i could get back into it, instead of a few hundred kills nul seccers might have had thousands of kills and almost everyone would have been happy. |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
209
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:57:00 -
[508] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
im pretty sure goonswarm loves u all at CCP :) |

Nico Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 15:58:00 -
[509] - Quote
LOL at nullnoobs.. You carebear in nullsec anomalies even more then highsec players, be honest about it 
I for my part, am angry at CCP not at that FUBAR gatecamp with sniping drones asigned monkeys :)
What was the point of that event? Where was the content? Why should all the highsec players help Empires forces?
Good job CCP and good job CFC blue donut. And nullbears, dont lie to yourself that you do this everyday, cause nullsec is dead and you know it.. All i see are empty systems, lots of them. If a neutral shows in local you just dock up in station or hide in POS.
Im glad i unsubed all my 3 accounts. Im burned out and dissapointed  All i say is "Keep up the awoxing CCP. EA will gladly make EVE a FREE to PLAY game"
KILL LOCAL FROM ALL SYSTEMS! 
Goodbye at STAR CITIZEN :)
P.S.: For the haters.. i dont give a flying F*** about any of your posts and if you think i do, then watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
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Bobmich Crobnich
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:03:00 -
[510] - Quote
Just going to add to my previous post on page 12, that although CCP need to organize things better, a few lols were had. This was the Meves fleet doing it's first fleet warp, something which my friend had not done before and enjoyed :P
http://youtu.be/9YlzR_6KKaQ |
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Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
37
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:04:00 -
[511] - Quote
ALPHA flyorDie wrote:1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS
I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin!
Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones?
And who brought their shiny ratting ships out?
No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued.
Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1342
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:05:00 -
[512] - Quote
Something tells me I missed another live event due to being USTZ...
Something tells me that I didn't miss much and CCP petition que is overloaded by now... |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
128
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:08:00 -
[513] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
How many alts do you have in the CFC? |

Sladislov
Broski North Black Legion.
28
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:09:00 -
[514] - Quote
Thank you ccp for now also directly messing with your playerbase.
10/10 i love you |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
233
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:09:00 -
[515] - Quote
Celia Therone wrote:Octoven wrote:The only other comment I have is for players knowing if it were null sec run. We certainly knew that, I flipping knew that thats why my omen had a MJD, The time the announced you could fight with the pirates and the empires were taking an offensive action against pirates, and the two null systems as pirate staging areas...those are all common sense clues. If no one understood that...thats their own fault. I am pretty sure that your Omen did not have a MJD. The Omen being a cruiser and the MJD module being limited to battleships, black ops and marauders?
You are correct I intended on saying MWD...so many acronymns its easy to get turned round :P an error in posting :D |

Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
190
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:11:00 -
[516] - Quote
Andrea Keuvo wrote:Cheesy Feet wrote:Malception wrote:OMG, this is great! CCP, I wasn't even there, but I've been laughing my ass off all morning, so by all means continue these. In the future you should do more to ensure that all the bears believe they'll be safe then allow them to be slaughtered more. For the love of God, please lead them into wormhole space. Too many escaped the wrath of the nullsec fleets. We must have total annihilation!
BOB WILLS IT!!! What a plank! If only a few hundred players quit because of this then that's less potential targets to shoot for the rst of us and you think that's funny? I wasn't anywhere near this disaster but it's still a nail in EVE's coffin as far as I'm concerned As a nullsec player, I really don't understand why other nullsec players aren't looking at it this way.
Don't live in highsec and I very much agree! If the idea was to show these players that Eve outside of highsec is much more fun, this event failed miserably at that, and that is a very bad thing for both highsec and 0.0 players. Good goal, disastrously poor execution.
To use a vulgar metaphor, this event and a lot of the 0.0 reaction to it, was like raping a lesbian to convince her she likes c$%* and then while she lies crying in the corner telling you she hated it, you laughingly tell her she thought it was fun and HTFU. Regardless of what a lot of people in 0.0 seem to think, that's not going to make her run out and find a boyfriend! |

ALPHA flyorDie
Latitude 45
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:13:00 -
[517] - Quote
Black Canary Jnr wrote:ALPHA flyorDie wrote:1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS
I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin! Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones? And who brought their shiny ratting ships out? No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued. Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems.
i was talking about clone jumping to a empty clone and loss sp from the lack of implants i did not die in the event just went 25 jumps in ti di and wasted 5 hours to get dc when i was 1 jump into null and then could not relog for 20 mins so i missed the fight and to me it was a wast of time and sp |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
233
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:21:00 -
[518] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. Movements announced on Twitter? So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online? As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics. Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost. Twitter, jeez...
Just to clarify you don't NEED a twitter account to view tweets posted by eve devs. They are fully public viewed just as this website is. The fact that you have no idea of it is irrelevant. After all if we follow your logic then this website is not NEEDED to play a game either, it (like twitter) is a means of disseminating useful news and information. Only a tweet is far much faster to deliver than posting on a web site.
O'drwex Dythoni wrote:CCP. Next time make a twitch stream out of it. or atleast a pre-recorded video. maybe some stat cams on the stream where you expect ppl to be meatgrinded. But not a DAMN TWIT, information and communication was the lamest ever, ppl barely knew what to do. This so called ' event ' wasnt worth my time, but i was verry excited about it before it started.
-note. i survived this event, so i'm not crying about a few bil loss-
Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. Having 4-5 official streams up only serves to confuse the population as to which is which and what they need to watch. Instead they could all view one site and read a short 160 character message to get the information. I would rather them not have streamed this, having multiple streams going is a bad idea. You may tune into the stream AFTER the message was stated and not know still. At least a tweet is in black and white text and people can read as they come to the site, instant information. |

Jamison
Southern Gothic
19
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:26:00 -
[519] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
Lets take a look at some of the times involved with this live event.
Say for the sake of argument there were 1300 players (a conservative number in my opinion) that had to travel for 2 hours each, total of 2600 man hours spent.
1 person goes to work for 8 hours a day for 1 year and doesn't take a day off, total 2080 man hours spent.
Amount of time the live team spent on this event "I had the strangest dream last night, we should fly a bunch of highsec players into nul, I don't have any reason why, lets just tell them its a secret when we get there" |

Veldar Reku
Wu Xi Holdings
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:26:00 -
[520] - Quote
CCP, really??
- carebears wouldn't even have the capability of setting up their overviews as to know who is friendly and who is shooting them
- TiDi warping 25 jumps..... why?
Advice:
- actively lead the fleets with NPC toons
- . have supers and caps, even if nothing else, as a distraction for the 0.0 people and use them to shoot any enemy caps that drop in (for the lols)
- use titans to bridge cabears into 0.0
But above all, tell carebears what alliances are defending the enemy system so they can at very least set standings to shoot appropriate people..
They will all die anyway, but at least it will not be soo terrible. Entertainment is being part of a fight and the longer you survive, the more fun it is. What happened was anti-fun and completely opposite of how Luminaire event was planned and executed.
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Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
85
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:26:00 -
[521] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
Thanks for your note. In order to correct the perceived misunderstandings and lack of information, it would be best if you issued your clarifications in as many channels as possible -- including your social media. Because there is a lot of grief going on about this, and if you have an explanation or a clarification or an apology to make, it's best to get the word out ASAP and as publicly as possible.
Of course, continued silence will perpetuate the perception that this was WAI. |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:26:00 -
[522] - Quote
Maybe CCP should start with mining events of 6 - 12 people and work there way up from there.
I mean it's apparent they can't organize anything of any real size. |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
312
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:26:00 -
[523] - Quote
Didn't think CCP would come up with more ways to drive players away from PVP and nullsec. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
18
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:28:00 -
[524] - Quote
Fourteen Maken wrote:What we got was thousands of uninformed, and unprepared pubbies funneled into nulsec gate camps to be humiliated. If it had been done properly I would have went with the fleet got popped, immediately re shipped and tried to find another fleet so i could get back into it, instead of a few hundred kills nul seccers might have had thousands of kills and almost everyone would have been happy.
I second this and I think it's a very precise description. After two hours of being fooled around I got popped and went off. Waited out my timer and logged off to do something that at least felt meaningful. If I had a chance to actually FIGHT, I would've taken another ship and gone back.
Also, CCP_Goliath: to be honest I don't think you're making it any better. The comments so far have been a blatant praise on the least informative or representative post in the bunch, and some cookie dropped here to say "hey we're reading". Nice and well, but there have been some pretty bad accusations against CCP for this event and I for one would really love to see what the fart was in your minds - lambs to the slaughter seems more and more appropriate the more i read on. As mentioned, I am pretty much ready to be humiliated by players who actually have the same chances I have and show to be better; much less ready to be the fool for people I pay. Much beyond the "lesson learnt" post, I want CCP to state right out why the worked the event like they did and what goal did it serve. And if the **** up is as big as it looks, apologies would be in order. I for one will respect a "we botched it sorry" much more than a "well it wasn't that bad" or any other marketing attempt.
Don't get me wrong - you've got a great game and CCP is doing better than any game company I've had the misfortune to deal with (Cryptic gets the prize for the most incompetent, imbecile, annoying one). But this... has been annoying. |

z Flint
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
21
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:29:00 -
[525] - Quote
Found the Event to be one big cluster.
First event attended.
Last event attended.
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Maaloc
Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire
9
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:30:00 -
[526] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement. Can't blame you, it's not your fault that some people can't read or put 3 latest reports on community.eveonline.com together. |

Jaiiny
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:30:00 -
[527] - Quote
aFETR WE WNET TO SEE THEM AT LAG FLYING BLOODING GATES!
I MEANER WTF DID I EO THIS THING HERE.
NO THANING YOU CECEP GET OUT
REALLY? NO BOTHER FOR US!      |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
144
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:33:00 -
[528] - Quote
David Kir wrote:Didn't think CCP would come up with more ways to drive players away from PVP and nullsec. I think you might like the irony that this was run right after New Player Training Session that had combat basics as its theme. In the end of it new players were encouraged to join in the event, with CCP Eterne telling that 90% would probably survive it. I suppose he had inkling that the event would end before the new players would get to low/null. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
18
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:33:00 -
[529] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. Having 4-5 official streams up only serves to confuse the population as to which is which and what they need to watch. Instead they could all view one site and read a short 160 character message to get the information. I would rather them not have streamed this, having multiple streams going is a bad idea. You may tune into the stream AFTER the message was stated and not know still. At least a tweet is in black and white text and people can read as they come to the site, instant information.
What about some in game spread of information? like, calendar, evegate, liveevent channel, whateverthefuck is pertaining to the game we're playing instead of some half-assed attempt at communicating through a social media that isn't part and parcel of the EVE experience. The fact it's public it's perfectly irrelevant: you have to be on twitter and following CCP to be aware of their tweets, whether they are public or not. |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
210
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:34:00 -
[530] - Quote
Jaiiny wrote:aFETR WE WNET TO SEE THEM AT LAG FLYING BLOODING GATES! I MEANER WTF DID I EO THIS THING HERE. NO THANING YOU CECEP GET OUT REALLY? NO BOTHER FOR US!      
translation request :) |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11971
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:38:00 -
[531] - Quote
This thread is pretty amazing. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11971
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:41:00 -
[532] - Quote
#grrrrgoons
#420yoloswag4jesus |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
312
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:44:00 -
[533] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:#grrrrgoons
#420yoloswag4jesus
Smearing ***** all over your face ironically doesn't mean you won't stink of manure. |

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
358
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:45:00 -
[534] - Quote
I went with the blob from Meves.
It was really poor, and my take on it is that CCP missed a chance to get people (from all of Eve) excited about the new content in Rubicon.
Some critical mistakes / suggestions:
1. Starting in High Sec - and then moving to a staging point still in High Sec while we suffer 10% TiDi is nothing but a demonstration of how bad the game is when lots of players actually want to be in the same system.
2. Communication - the Orders/ Aims / Objectives of each fleet at All - Some guy in local in yellow saying 'go here' is crud - Make a channel with orders/commands text from the Event actors etc only - dont let people talk in that channel so communication is clear [If you dont want to do voice comms].
3. Allowing players to actually see the new content (event site) - Using either a wormhole or jump bridge and then perhaps a minute or 5 cease fire in the target location (ghost site or whatever so people can see the new content) before letting all hell break lose at least would make people welping stuff feel like they had seen something worthwhile.
There were many more minor issues, but those are the main ones.
I lost a Navy Omen and knew i would - I have no issue with that. The issue I have is that the event (and some previous events I've been to) was a complete waste of time - didn't get to see anything in the Ghost Site I warped into before being instapopped - didn't have any idea of what we were supposed to be doing other than 'head here' commands coralling us in for a turkey shoot. All the while taking up 3-4 hours of my play time.
I can understand all the rage of those folks new to the game or events especially - it really was a terrible experience for the majority when they probablty had high hopes of a 'Rubicon' teaser event . After 8 years playing I didn't expect much to be honest, but was still left disappointed. Cheers. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
836
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 16:58:00 -
[535] - Quote
The best LIVE Event so far that CCP have organised that everyone in EVE could be a part of with no TiDi or Null Blocs screwing people over was...
* Drum Roll Please *
Sanctuary Image Contest
That's because:
1) CCP had no involvement other than posting clear concise information in an organised form in good time 2) CCP had no involvement 3) CCP had no involvement 4) You can see where it's going...
I only completed Week 1 but it was a lot of fun...and all because CCP had no involvement other than posting clear concise information in an organised form in good time.
EDIT:
Oh and that you had 7 days to complete your objectives so you weren't hitting the same systems\gates\areas all at the same time like lambs to the slaughter like last nights farce. I'd suggest that CCP run LIVE Events like this but extend the time from 7 days to 30 days. This will:
1) Give all players a chance to complete\participate\compete 2) Discourage Null Blocs to permanently camp a route that maybe published 3) Extends LIVE Events so you could have several going on without any interaction with CCP required as we seem to be quite sure that this is what works best. Capsuleers, we'll do our thing and CCP can just do theirs. It's a formula that works I think |

Andvari Hljomalind
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:58:00 -
[536] - Quote
As usual, NullSec circle-jerks en masse while missing the point entirely ^_^
The idea of a collision between HighSec and NullSec players and npcs is an interesting premise, albeit a daunting one!
The idea of hundreds of players arriving in a staging system, on time, and traveling for hours to find that the event ended long before they could arrive? C'mon guys, really.
I prefer constructive criticism, so off the top of my head:
1) For events of this scale, treat time-dilation as an inevitability, not a possibility. To me, there is no shame in acknowledging reasonable technical limitations.
2) If the nodes can't be reinforced in time for something like this, consider distributing the load. Pirate factions are dispersed throughout New Eden - had this scenario played out in 4 - 6 different locations, with varied mixes of Empire and Pirate npcs at each, I think it could have been really great. More like a coordinated Interpol takedown operation, less like 2000 Jack Bauers charging into Mogadishu with a handgun and no cell service.
3) Never, EVER, change the venue an hour before the party. Nothing good will come of it.
That's my 2 Isk anyway. I appreciate the intent, the process just needs to be examined! More planning, less improve!
All the same, thanks for your efforts CCP! |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
244
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:16:00 -
[537] - Quote
Alright, since CCP is actually monitoring this thread let's not lead to a situation where only crying is heard, all right?
First of all - the bad:
- Making a lengthy route through tidi for the hisec force. It's bad, alright - 0.0 folk that are used to tidi may prefer fighting in tidi to blackscreening, but "HEY CHECK IT OUT I'M WARPING SLOMO!" gets old after three jumps. Let alone twenty. - Communication, from what I've heard - even EVE Voice or a moderated channel where only FCs post. Comms are crucial to fleet operation.
Second of all: The good.
I'll just be frank: CCP let us play the way we want to play. It wasn't a scripted event where wtfpwn ships spawn to blap us all off the field. We were informed of the incoming hisec-supporting fleets and chose to form up to, to quote, "Punch CONCORD in the spacehorse". We weren't stopped for the sake of sightseeing or rigging the event.
They didn't sweeten what nullsec is, no cherry on top of a big pile o' hurt. Sort of, 'welcome to null, empire dwellers. This is what awaits your little empires when they overstep their bounds'.
Plus, hey, it was hilariously fun! People who survived on our side report fun was present. People who died report that despite dying, they had fun and would have fun again gladly.
The ugly:
Timeeezooooneeeeees.
It's unavoidable, really. You can't run this on a weekend night because CCP is a company - if you're working 9-to-5 on EVE every day for a week, you're probably playing something else on weekend or spending time with your family instead. Still it very much sucks that a lot of USTZ folks missed the event. (We had two lucky guys that are US and could attend, one got himself an Aurora/Slave pod but that leaves a lot of people behind.) |

Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
38411
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:17:00 -
[538] - Quote
Lotta love in this thread.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Rubicon the beginning of breaking away ties from the factions?
*Looks at calendar....yep, Rubicon comes out in a week or so.*
*Looks at the NPC Actor actions and saw how they hung the players out to dry*
One would think that those kooky viking devs were setting the factions up for some hostility.
Go figure. |

LexaLloyd II
Adversity.
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:19:00 -
[539] - Quote
Haven't had this great of a read on the forums since the welcome Mintchip Dev thread. Keep the tears coming!
 |

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
86
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:21:00 -
[540] - Quote
Nice fun killing off the Concord defenders slowboating through lowsec for them to never arrive at their destination. Some pretty good kills/massacres to be had.
However, from a story point of view, this was utter crap and CCP should feel very bad about it. Nothing story-relevant happened or was allowed to happen because of CCP's inability to let only appropriate people know about what was going to happen. Hanging a lantern on such a story-driven event is just a big invitation sign for CFC and other 00-densities to mess up the Event. Moreover, not reinforcing the route to the destinations and letting people travel dozens of jumps in highest Tidi is a thing that CCP should have avoided. Amarr was population capped with only 1,000 people in local, for example. This is unacceptable. Again: CCP should feel bad for this major wastage of time and for deliberately feeding players to stupid other players who have no intention to allow good gameplay.
-1 for this. |
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Petar Harad
Sebiestor Tribe
102
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:21:00 -
[541] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. uhm....no, it isn't. Not when it's about information needed in-game.
|

David Kir
Statement of Intent
313
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:26:00 -
[542] - Quote
Petar Harad wrote:Octoven wrote:Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. uhm....no, it isn't. Not when it's about information needed in-game.
Still, it comes in handy when you've got to post a pic of those fries you ate on the fringe of Andromeda. |

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:34:00 -
[543] - Quote
I post a lot in ISG and really enjoy the lore aspect of the game. I really wanted to participate but as I have a full-time job in North America that precluded me from participating. This was really prime-time for folks living in time zones from the Iberian peninsula to the Urals. I've now read all your posts and tbh I'm glad I didn't attend.
I really enjoy the lore aspect but honestly, when it comes to actually playing this game I can't possibly see how the empires came to exist. Being so badly managed they should have been wiped out ages ago.
So to summarize what CCP accomplished with their "come defend the empire" event...
You sent the high-sec European player base to be gang-raped by the null-sec European player base.
You have demonstrated that your staff is far better qualified at coding games than playing them.
Your next CCP "organized event" will be met with howls of laughter and the sound of crickets...
Frankly, I really don't understand CCP's motives... to have "fun"? To mess with the European player base? To advance the game Lore? IMO you accomplished none of those things. |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
212
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:37:00 -
[544] - Quote
Sorjat wrote:I post a lot in ISG and really enjoy the lore aspect of the game. I really wanted to participate but as I have a full-time job in North America that precluded me from participating. This was really prime-time for folks living in time zones from the Iberian peninsula to the Urals. I've now read all your posts and tbh I'm glad I didn't attend.
I really enjoy the lore aspect but honestly, when it comes to actually playing this game I can't possibly see how the empires came to exist. Being so badly managed they should have been wiped out ages ago.
So to summarize what CCP accomplished with their "come defend the empire" event...
You sent the high-sec European player base to be gang-raped by the null-sec European player base.
You have demonstrated that your staff is far better qualified at coding games than playing them.
Your next CCP "organized event" will be met with howls of laughter and the sound of crickets...
Frankly, I really don't understand CCP's motives... to have "fun"? To mess with the European player base? To advance the game Lore? IMO you accomplished none of those things.
well they almost did it... they want people to move to low/null and a lot came to the event... shame tough they forgot to close the gates :) |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1429
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:44:00 -
[545] - Quote
ALPHA flyorDie wrote:Black Canary Jnr wrote:ALPHA flyorDie wrote:1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS
I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin! Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones? And who brought their shiny ratting ships out? No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued. Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems. i was talking about clone jumping to a empty clone and loss sp from the lack of implants i did not die in the event just went 25 jumps in ti di and wasted 5 hours to get dc when i was 1 jump into null and then could not relog for 20 mins so i missed the fight and to me it was a wast of time and sp And yes this was the poor planning all around CCP why DO you Hate us so much ?
Why does CCP hate us so much? Pretty simple answer. CCP is now dominated by those that believe "null sec cartels the players of consequence, the rest are there to serve the cartel leaderships' whims".
A natural progression when you hire all your devs from null sec cartels.
|

hungrymanbreakfast
Plan-It Xpress Reverberation Project
20
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:50:00 -
[546] - Quote
Jack Mayhem wrote:Johann Rascali wrote:Atsuko Yamamoto wrote:Not well thought out, not well executed, and basically just shoveling people into null killzones... You overlook the idea that that may have been the intended design to begin with. Johann Rascali wrote:- Capsuleers fail to reach target
- "First" Ghost site proceeds unhindered
- Empires provide no support
- Capsuleers "get angry at the Empires"
- Capsuleers want to split from the empires even more (Rubicon)
100% op success Riiiiight.. except 4. Capsuleers get mad at CCP.
Once again the forum eats a post. Was gonna say what needed to be said but now.... F U CCP
I had no clue what was happening beyond stage in Meves for an event. Waste of time. |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
313
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:50:00 -
[547] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Why does CCP hate us so much? Pretty simple answer. CCP is now dominated by those that believe "null sec cartels the players of consequence, the rest are there to serve the cartel leaderships' whims".
A natural progression when you hire all your devs from null sec cartels.
I knew I should have invested in tinfoil instead of 'ceptors. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
466
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:56:00 -
[548] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:I think you might like the irony that this was run right after New Player Training Session that had combat basics as its theme. In the end of it new players were encouraged to join in the event, with CCP Eterne telling that 90% would probably survive it. I suppose he had inkling that the event would end before the new players would get to low/null. If we consider escaping with your pod "survival", sure. There were a lot of bodies adrift, however... |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
143
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 17:56:00 -
[549] - Quote
Judas Lonestar wrote:Bam Stroker wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:fire elf wrote:I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.
God you sound like a carebear. He's got 25x the number of kills you do. GTFO. Whoop de doo. In the 4 pages of kills I looked at he has all of 2 that have less that 10 on the killmail. I mean lets be realistic. If you metric to judge a good pilot is the ability to sit in a fleet of 80 and follow orders i think any of us would qualify as good pilots. Its just not that hard to do. Which means your point really isnt valid. What you should say is "His killboard shows hes way better at being a good lemming, you suck at being a lemming cause your killboard sucks" am I right? For what its worth, my killboard isnt that good. I dont judge my fun and skill by my killboard.
I flew with Fire Elf a couple of times, the first time was him doing the right thing in an interceptor and catching a pilgrim, simple fact is he is a good PvP'r! |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:02:00 -
[550] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0
injoy |
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James Fonsworth
MultiSpec Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:07:00 -
[551] - Quote
I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but
You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.
Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed
HTUF or GTFO
hello kitty online is that way ----------->
|

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
266
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:08:00 -
[552] - Quote
At least in an abattoir cattle are led to slaughter in an orderly fashion, and they are caught unawares with a quick coup de grace' to the back of the head before they know whats coming...
In this live event however the cattle were herded like WW2 Japanese death marchers, under heavy TiDi so they could better enjoy their demise in super slow motion. More so, one could easily visualize that scene from Schindlers List on the purging of the ghetto, a CCP live events actor somewhere in the background cranking an old phonograph with gentle opera playing on it...
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Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:10:00 -
[553] - Quote
James Fonsworth wrote:I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but
You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.
Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed
HTUF or GTFO
hello kitty online is that way ----------->
ffs nobody cared about getting killed of course we knew we were going to die. but people expected to die in the system of the event as a part of the event not to some instablap gatecamp after they already wasted 2 hours jumping around HS because CCP doesn't know how to properly plan an event. |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
212
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:14:00 -
[554] - Quote
Andrea Keuvo wrote:James Fonsworth wrote:I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but
You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.
Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed
HTUF or GTFO
hello kitty online is that way ----------->
ffs nobody cared about getting killed of course we knew we were going to die. but people expected to die in the system of the event as a part of the event not to some instablap gatecamp after they already wasted 2 hours jumping around HS because CCP doesn't know how to properly plan an event.
its a hard game what did u expect? a save ticket in to null? besides CCP doesnt give a rats *ss about u or anyone else
|

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
52
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:18:00 -
[555] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:ALPHA flyorDie wrote:Black Canary Jnr wrote:ALPHA flyorDie wrote:1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS
I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin! Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones? And who brought their shiny ratting ships out? No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued. Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems. i was talking about clone jumping to a empty clone and loss sp from the lack of implants i did not die in the event just went 25 jumps in ti di and wasted 5 hours to get dc when i was 1 jump into null and then could not relog for 20 mins so i missed the fight and to me it was a wast of time and sp And yes this was the poor planning all around CCP why DO you Hate us so much ? Why does CCP hate us so much? Pretty simple answer. CCP is now dominated by those that believe "null sec cartels the players of consequence, the rest are there to serve the cartel leaderships' whims". A natural progression when you hire all your devs from null sec cartels.
Yep, people don,t understand that most of CCP fly the Blocs' colors in their offices.
Considering the easily-detectable exploits they let slide when it only concerns them, I say they might as well just spawn items for them and let them duke it out until there is empire space, NPC nullsec and Nullswarm. |

Helgur
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
13
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:22:00 -
[556] - Quote
Vulfnaadur wrote:This event was run like Obamacare. This makes me want to unsub 3 accounts. This makes me want to jet 500 shuttles in Jita undocking lanes.
Have a seat over here. Please tell us more about how you are really feeling |

highonpop
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
492
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:22:00 -
[557] - Quote
disasteur wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:James Fonsworth wrote:I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but
You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.
Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed
HTUF or GTFO
hello kitty online is that way ----------->
ffs nobody cared about getting killed of course we knew we were going to die. but people expected to die in the system of the event as a part of the event not to some instablap gatecamp after they already wasted 2 hours jumping around HS because CCP doesn't know how to properly plan an event. its a hard game what did u expect? a save ticket in to null? besides CCP doesnt give a rats *ss about u or anyone else
^^he's right
You willingly jumped your ship into nullsec. You expected CCP to shield you and make you safe? There are game mechanics CCP could (and maybe should) have used to keep you safe-ish (like maybe having a staging titan in lowsec to bridge you guys out to nullsec)
Just like any other fleet, ever.. you jumped into nullsec.. you assumed the risk of being killed immediately upon decloaking off the gate.. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
23
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:24:00 -
[558] - Quote
disasteur wrote:its a hard game what did u expect? a save ticket in to null? besides CCP doesnt give a rats *ss about u or anyone else
Well, if you had read any of the posts the complainers made maybe it would be worth answering your bunch of bullshit.
What we wanted was a fight. We didn't have a fight, we had a gankfest - I had more fun getting ganked in my industrial 3 years ago after a canflip.
We don't want no free tickets - but for **** sake tell us where the event is, don't just funnel is into a long string of scattered ships through chokes while telling the lowsec/nullsec people where we are.
But of course you just like your pinata; getting your ass wet at the option of having fighting people eh? even noobish pve-fitted blobs with no tackle or logi or FCing whatsoever. |

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
53
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:29:00 -
[559] - Quote
highonpop wrote:disasteur wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:James Fonsworth wrote:I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but
You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.
Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed
HTUF or GTFO
hello kitty online is that way ----------->
ffs nobody cared about getting killed of course we knew we were going to die. but people expected to die in the system of the event as a part of the event not to some instablap gatecamp after they already wasted 2 hours jumping around HS because CCP doesn't know how to properly plan an event. its a hard game what did u expect? a save ticket in to null? besides CCP doesnt give a rats *ss about u or anyone else ^^he's right You willingly jumped your ship into nullsec. You expected CCP to shield you and make you safe? There are game mechanics CCP could (and maybe should) have used to keep you safe-ish (like maybe having a staging titan in lowsec to bridge you guys out to nullsec) This is what nullsec alliances do.. anyone who has any pvp experience knows that gate travel is the most dangerous form of travel, thus, the majority of larger fleets in nullsec use a titan bridge. It avoids gates and helps with tidi Just like any other fleet, ever.. you jumped into nullsec.. you assumed the risk of being killed immediately upon decloaking off the gate..
Actually decloaking was quite unnecessary, the smartbombs took care of that. |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
313
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:31:00 -
[560] - Quote
highonpop wrote: anyone who has any pvp experience
This event catered to hisec people and newbies.
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David Kir
Statement of Intent
316
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:33:00 -
[561] - Quote
disasteur wrote: its a hard game what did u expect? a save ticket in to null? besides CCP doesnt give a rats *ss about u or anyone else
No, players expected a proper Live Event.
And you're wrong, CCP does "give a rats *ss" about people. |

Nactor
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:34:00 -
[562] - Quote
Well, the time i read something 'bout going to 0 i thought "nice, i-¦ll be blown but hey, thats EvE right ? DFWYCNATL" and just tagged along for the "event"-fun. Then... the EvenTiDi - got throu 2 camps to get the message we failed event lol. After that i just jumped back, got killed and had fun flying my pod back looking at all the other fireworks 
And one other thing : Why not create a chat-channel that has everyone but the FC/Dev leading it on mute ? I think it would help with peeps like me and some others to get at least some infos on whats going on while waiting, and to follow the lore...
p.s.: On the Generals "leading" this : Either this was a punishment for them in the first place, or the empire deserves to be crushed ! |

Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:34:00 -
[563] - Quote
Ok, to put this in some perspective even null residents can understand as they laugh and ask for more tears....
Players who attended the event and led by CCP into the slaughterhouse are as disappointed in CCP and their abilities as null people were with the Z9PP-H node crash.
Do you understand now?
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disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
212
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:35:00 -
[564] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:disasteur wrote:its a hard game what did u expect? a save ticket in to null? besides CCP doesnt give a rats *ss about u or anyone else
Well, if you had read any of the posts the complainers made maybe it would be worth answering your bunch of bullshit. What we wanted was a fight. We didn't have a fight, we had a gankfest - I had more fun getting ganked in my industrial 3 years ago after a canflip. We don't want no free tickets - but for **** sake tell us where the event is, don't just funnel is into a long string of scattered ships through chokes while telling the lowsec/nullsec people where we are. But of course you just like your pinata; getting your ass wet at the option of having fighting people eh? even noobish pve-fitted blobs with no tackle or logi or FCing whatsoever.
yes u want a free ticket, u trusted CCP it means ur either stupid or just a noob, u went willingly to null and believed it was lag free to,dude get a live but maybe not in eve cus it seems no the to be the right place for you |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
316
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:39:00 -
[565] - Quote
disasteur wrote: yes u want a free ticket, u trusted CCP it means ur either stupid or just a noob, u went willingly to null and believed it was lag free to,dude get a live but maybe not in eve cus it seems no the to be the right place for you
What's the right place for you, I wonder.
Oh, I know.
School.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
838
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:40:00 -
[566] - Quote
James Fonsworth wrote:I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but
You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.
Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed
HTUF or GTFO
hello kitty online is that way ----------->
This isn't what people are in uproar about so read posts correctly, STFU and spell 'HTFU' correctly.
Spelling Class is this way -----> |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:43:00 -
[567] - Quote
disasteur wrote:yes u want a free ticket, u trusted CCP it means ur either stupid or just a noob, u went willingly to null and believed it was lag free to,dude get a live but maybe not in eve cus it seems no the to be the right place for you
So, when you have no further arguments you lose your spelling ability too? I hope you're not a native speaker .
TIDI was just part of the problem. What most people complain about is that we ended up stranded through half the empire without any clear indication as to the objective of it all. We spent hours roaming without any clue. I heard there were NPCs and a station - HEARD it; I couldn't get there in time. Most of us did not. There has been no event for us - I don't give a damn about the 20m rax I flew in, it was a casualty the moment i undocked, and it was cheap for that reason. I'd have liked to be at the event, but couldn't. That's what I'm complaining about: I spent hours of my time for... nothing. There was nothing to do except making people happy for another killmail - 24 T3 ships killing a 20m thorax.... will surely change a killboard ;)
As per my life, I suggest you stick to what you know - I understand it's a narrow enough space - instead of commenting on things you obviously know nothing about  |

Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
58
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:47:00 -
[568] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Okay. Hisec guys. TDI sucks. That could have been avoided - it's a gameplay/server issue, NOT a roleplay issue. But we've got some serious roleplay issues going down now, don't we? Well, you might have a roleplay issue. I surely don't. I could not care less about role playing and I will not be forced into it just because you decided to entertain selective schizophrenia. Go play "roleplay" in EVE if you want. Don't tell me I have to - when I want to roleplay I go play a ROLE PLAYING GAME. You know, tabletop. TIDI isn't the issue. Go back and actually read what people complain about, might give you some insight. This is ESPECIALLY true since the NPC corps did not tell me where to go. TWITTER did. CCP on Twitter, to be precise. Get a grip.
Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life?
Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?
Hmm.
Also, reading what people wrote, TIDI was a huge problem. Getting led into an ambush was also not looked at favorably, but again, who told you to jump into the ambush? Your in game FC, no?
Just because tabletop games are also RPGs doesn't make EVE NOT an RPG. |

Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
276
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:47:00 -
[569] - Quote
The one and only problem with this event was that it was already called being over while there were still hundreds of people trying to trek to the target system through twentysomething fully time dilated systems. Literally hundreds of people showed up perhaps an hour after ISD whatstheirface declared that serpentis won the battle. Well, we had already wasted hours to get to the target system so most of us decided to continue and battle the 0.0 hordes for no reason at all. Obviously we were going to lose from the start and that was fine with me. But it could have gone at least a bit different and it would have been awesome if I could have attented the actual CCP run event, but alas, no.
I left Meves the exact same time as the CCP actor did, but arrived almost an hour later than they did. The simple matter of fact is that it was utterly poorly planned by CCP as an event. For one they should have given us more time to arrive, and arrive in force, not trickle in as easily killable tiny groups. My fleets FC was actualluy surprisingly capable so we managed to put up a bit of a fight - but, as said, probably an hour later after the event was called over by CCP. |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
318
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:50:00 -
[570] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:
Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life?
Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?
Hmm.
Also, reading what people wrote, TIDI was a huge problem. Getting led into an ambush was also not looked at favorably, but again, who told you to jump into the ambush? Your in game FC, no?
Just because tabletop games are also RPGs doesn't make EVE NOT an RPG.
Yes, EVE is technically a role-playing game.
The FC acted under CCP directions. |
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
48
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:50:00 -
[571] - Quote
haha I bet if CCP tried to lead a bunch of unprepared hisec care bears to null to purposefully get them ganked by nullsec gate camps they wouldn't have as much success as they had here.
Magnificent job CCP. Something like this could only have come about by supreme incompetence. Remember, never attribute to malice that witch can be attributed to incompetence. |

disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
212
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:54:00 -
[572] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:disasteur wrote:yes u want a free ticket, u trusted CCP it means ur either stupid or just a noob, u went willingly to null and believed it was lag free to,dude get a live but maybe not in eve cus it seems no the to be the right place for you So, when you have no further arguments you lose your spelling ability too? I hope you're not a native speaker  . TIDI was just part of the problem. What most people complain about is that we ended up stranded through half the empire without any clear indication as to the objective of it all. We spent hours roaming without any clue. I heard there were NPCs and a station - HEARD it; I couldn't get there in time. Most of us did not. There has been no event for us - I don't give a damn about the 20m rax I flew in, it was a casualty the moment i undocked, and it was cheap for that reason. I'd have liked to be at the event, but couldn't. That's what I'm complaining about: I spent hours of my time for... nothing. There was nothing to do except making people happy for another killmail - 24 T3 ships killing a 20m thorax.... will surely change a killboard ;) As per my life, I suggest you stick to what you know - I understand it's a narrow enough space - instead of commenting on things you obviously know nothing about 
kudos for your nice insults, i hope you have fun on the next event |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
319
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:57:00 -
[573] - Quote
disasteur wrote: kudos for your nice insults, i hope you have fun on the next event
You're welcome; I hope you try to avoid behaving like an illiterate arse next time. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
29
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 -
[574] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life? Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?
By this definition, Call of Duty is a RPG (you're playing the role of a soldier); Gran Turismo is a RPG (you're playing the role of a pilot) and Super Mario is an RPG (you play the role of an italian plumber); and Monopoly as well since you play the role of a shoe/candle/car? Your definition is a bit to wide, in my opinion.
Besides, you were argumenting we should direct our rage to the factions; Faction do not exist - not anymore than my Thorax existed. They can not "decide" anything or drive me anywhere.
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disasteur
Tellcomtec Industries.
212
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 -
[575] - Quote
David Kir wrote:disasteur wrote: kudos for your nice insults, i hope you have fun on the next event
You're welcome; I hope you try to avoid behaving like an illiterate arse next time.
sorry i want referring to you, and dont give a sh*t about your insults as for all i care u can KMA |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:01:00 -
[576] - Quote
The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.
Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.
Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.
Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)
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Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:15:00 -
[577] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.
Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.
Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.
Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)
That's Ok. Dying is fine. Getting awoked is fine. But missing the whole thing by 23 jump TD10. Missing all content. Missing any hint of a point or a reason. That is unforgivable.
I kind of get the "tear farmers" from reading this thread. I like drama. But not shooting fish in a barrel. If I would enjoy that, I would lose all self respect. This thread offers lots of drama. My feeling is that CCP is not to gain from it. |

Emiko P'eng
53
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:16:00 -
[578] - Quote
Well!
An event at a time when I can take part, great 
EVE is a dangerous place and intellegence gathering is king!
Rubicon has Ghost Pirate sites + CCP holding live event = a fight in low or null sec with a High Sec, CCP & maybe NPC force against CCP, Null Sec force & NPCs (Sounds like a great introduction to PvP) 
Goto EVE University fit out my Navy Slicer for PvP, haven't got the foggiest idea how to really fly a PvP fit but hey! 
Prospect of being cannon fodder for a Null Sec Alliance or the faint chance I might actually have a faint chance of destroying a null sec player ship, nerve wracking 
Get to Sarum Prime at 18:40. Following chat to find Ihal is next way point, jump out at 18:50
Get to Ihal at 20:19 after the mother of jump treks average TiDi ~12% (Impressed by coding of TiDi though)
Reports come in that the event has finished already as the Null Sec fleet had a hour to set up due to no TiDi on their routes! As a result they had already destroyed CCP, the NPCs and the objective and were now camping the gates with a huge instant kill camp for anyone who made it through the porridge! 
Headed for home disappointed!
Suggestions for next event:
- Reinforce ALL the systems going to be involved with the event!
- Alliances can jump bridge & Cyno. Then surely Empires should at least have similar technology!
- Modern battles run on information. I saw 2 posts in chat by a Pilot who was 'most likely' supposed to be leading the battle. Again Alliances can set up voice channels, Mumble, Teamspeak etc.. EVE even has one built in. No information on anything like that for fast communications
Will I go to another event, maybe!
Was this an organisational debacle, Yes!
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
838
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:18:00 -
[579] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote: Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.
Wrong on so many levels which means your reading comprehension skills are lower than CCPs it would seem.
The "rage" is about the lack of info, organisation, infrastructure and everyone that participated WANTED to get a fight...they JC'd for it, brought ships they were willing to die in...just none of that happened and hence the rage.
Try to read what most people are posting rather than reading what you want into it and then crap-posting the above like so many others.
We came knowing and willing to lose our ships and clones...not to die to TiDi hell trying to get to staging point after staging point and the RP LIVE Event organisers complete lack of skills is organising and running such an event. Oh and I heard the "Actors" got bored and blew the objective any way. |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:25:00 -
[580] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.
Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.
Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.
Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)
That's Ok. Dying is fine. Getting awoked is fine. But missing the whole thing by 23 jump TD10. Missing all content. Missing any hint of a point or a reason. That is unforgivable. I kind of get the "tear farmers" from reading this thread. I like drama. But not shooting fish in a barrel. If I would enjoy that, I would lose all self respect. This thread offers lots of drama. My feeling is that CCP is not to gain from it.
Oh don't get me wrong, i'm not taking any sides on this. I mean on one hand you have the nearly 3k players that CCP just bent over and drilled without even buying them a drink first. On the other hand you have a sizable group of people that defended there space and have every right to bash the people complaining about it all they want. So i have chosen no sides just acknowledged that CCP royally screwed nearly 3k carebears and while giving a large number of pvpers a really good time.
But hey more power to them for holding there own can keeping people out of there space. I mean i know why people are pissed and it's not that they last a ship, got killed, podded or even spent hours at some staging area or jumping two dozen gates. It's the fact that CCP left them to die and was about as on target with it's organization as a blind archer.
So both sides did what was expected of them... the null sec alliances defended there systems as always. the carebears blindly followed a "trusted" person into null sec and died. the results of both sides where predictable.
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Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
62
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:28:00 -
[581] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life? Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer? By this definition, Call of Duty is a RPG (you're playing the role of a soldier); Gran Turismo is a RPG (you're playing the role of a pilot) and Super Mario is an RPG (you play the role of an italian plumber); and Monopoly as well since you play the role of a shoe/candle/car? Your definition is a bit to wide, in my opinion. Besides, you were argumenting we should direct our rage to the factions; Faction do not exist - not anymore than my Thorax existed. They can not "decide" anything or drive me anywhere.
RPGs also include character development over the course of the game. Tell me more about your lack of employment history and how you don't train any skills. |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:32:00 -
[582] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote: ... Try to read what most people are posting rather than reading what you want into it and then crap-posting the above like so many others. ...
I have read what people are saying and i agree that CCP screwed this whole thing up so badly that it's amazing at the level of screw up that's happened here. I understand that people are pissed not because they died, the expected to some degree to die.
So don't think i'm trying to bash people that got screwed here. I understand why there angry and they have every right. |

David Kir
Statement of Intent
337
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:32:00 -
[583] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote: RPGs also include character development over the course of the game. Tell me more about your lack of employment history and how you don't train any skills.
You're pointlessly discussing semantics. RPG or not, the event was organized by CCP, and they're responsible for its outcome. |

Lyrith Turalyon
Turalyon Prime
26
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:32:00 -
[584] - Quote
Here was our experience of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sTkO8rIK0&feature=share&list=PLI1o-KsnrFyMEFIPzfxFurLxuvvPWVd3V
Thanks CCP |

Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
33
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:34:00 -
[585] - Quote
H-sec proved it was willing to participate. No denying that!
I think most h-sec'rs frame EVE as a role playing game. There was a role implied here. And h-sec responded.
And then they were sacrificed for 0-sec jollies.
Anomaly One wrote:First event, last event **** this ****
Leaving h-sec, as it has always been, will be based firmly on my terms. |

Sushi Nardieu
Encapsulated.
170
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:40:00 -
[586] - Quote
I for one want to thank CCP for giving high-sec players a chance to leaving their shackles of empire. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:47:00 -
[587] - Quote
Sushi Nardieu wrote:I for one want to thank CCP for giving high-sec players a chance to leaving their shackles of empire.
That's freedom, not shackles. I go where I need to go. I did not fall for the slaughter. This, probably, made it even less attractive to me. The stupidity. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2254
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:49:00 -
[588] - Quote
Herbinator d'Arcadie wrote: Leaving h-sec, as it has always been, will be based firmly on my terms.
That's how it should be. CCP never had a plan for dealing with low/null pilots in Live Events that crossed into Low/Nullsec before, it was always up to the players to take a different route, scout things out, arrange for a cyno etc... I don't know why people assumed this would be any different. |

Dorian Carlyle
Carlyle's Vagabonds
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:53:00 -
[589] - Quote
Reading through some of this and also Jester blogspot I only say one thing here: CCP made a big mistake - and I really hope some hundred or even thousand players quit the game to make them feel it, that's NOT HOW YOU TREAT YOUR CUSTOMER. end of story. I just started the game and also just ended my subscription. end of story, part II.
And for all those null sec badassies who obviously enjoyed so much too slaughter an enemy who never stood a chance: Who are you going to gank when all the newbies are alienated and the old payer base leaves eventually as 10 years in the same game are enough? But of course it is better to have some quick money and feel good, cause your so badass  |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 19:53:00 -
[590] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Herbinator d'Arcadie wrote: Leaving h-sec, as it has always been, will be based firmly on my terms.
That's how it should be. CCP never had a plan for dealing with low/null pilots in Live Events that crossed into Low/Nullsec before, it was always up to the players to take a different route, scout things out, arrange for a cyno etc... I don't know why people assumed this would be any different.
In this case there was no way around. It was a pipe. Or nothing. And how many fit nullifiers, not knowing where they were going? |
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:59:00 -
[591] - Quote
Dorian Carlyle wrote:Reading through some of this and also Jester blogspot I only say one thing here: CCP made a big mistake - and I really hope some hundred or even thousand players quit the game to make them feel it, that's NOT HOW YOU TREAT YOUR CUSTOMER. end of story. I just started the game and also just ended my subscription. end of story, part II. And for all those null sec badassies who obviously enjoyed so much too slaughter an enemy who never stood a chance: Who are you going to gank when all the newbies are alienated and the old payer base leaves eventually as 10 years in the same game are enough? But of course it is better to have some quick money and feel good, cause your so badass 
It's unfortunate that you got bent over like that but do you really think that closing your account is going to change anything? I mean i don't know but i'd be surprised if a handful of people closed there accounts over this. Also if they did than that people would have closed there accounts over the next month or two anyway.
This is eve and bad things happen and sometimes the happen to you. Yes CCP hosed you, lead you to the water and then drowned your ass in it. Close your account and that'll teach them! They've only delt with people closing there accounts over this type of thing for the last 10 years... this one event isn't going to cause any real financial damage.
Just learn from it, don't go to the next CCP event. Don't trust just anybody in the game. I mean i hate to see people leave the game over something like this but like i said you would have left anyway over the next few months. |

Petar Harad
Sebiestor Tribe
105
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:01:00 -
[592] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Herbinator d'Arcadie wrote: Leaving h-sec, as it has always been, will be based firmly on my terms.
That's how it should be. CCP never had a plan for dealing with low/null pilots in Live Events that crossed into Low/Nullsec before, it was always up to the players to take a different route, scout things out, arrange for a cyno etc... I don't know why people assumed this would be any different. I for one didn't assume it to be different. Me and a few others were more than willing to take an alternative route to the target system. I even plotted it and some other guy in fleet had an alt scouting the route already. We just ran out of time. We left the staging system Sarum Prime at the same moment the 'empire actor' left, but before we even reached the last HS system, the event was declared over and done with.
The fact that at that point I decided to go anyway, had more to do with a frustrated 'I expected to die, so f**k it, lets die in a fire and get this farce over with!'. So I did... |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1511
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:01:00 -
[593] - Quote
Perhaps Eve University or Agony Unleashed would care to give CCP lessons in how to organize and run large groups of players. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2439
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:20:00 -
[594] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:(...) There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
Translation: we're stupid, not evil.
Good to hear from you, but we already knew.  |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
124
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:27:00 -
[595] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:(...) There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement. Translation: we're stupid, not evil. Good to hear from you, but we already knew. 
Both is also a possibility. |

Moses Atild
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:28:00 -
[596] - Quote
Lol whiny neck beards |

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
13
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:48:00 -
[597] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:Subject says it all. Quote:Empire Navies put out call for capsuleer Assisantce 10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime) 10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal) Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention No real communication from gm/event host Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event ONLY to include those people in the end. I want that hour of my life refunded to me  Good Job CCP ... NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in PS: Please point me in the direction of this post to remind me why I shouldnt bother in another live event ...
All of this 
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
129
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:50:00 -
[598] - Quote
Moses Atild wrote:Lol whiny neck beards have you looked closely at your forum picture?  |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:55:00 -
[599] - Quote
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote: ...
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.
Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd.
You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing.
You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol
I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
131
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:57:00 -
[600] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote: ...
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.
Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd. You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing. You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account.
There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP |
|

Halaxi
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
26
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 20:57:00 -
[601] - Quote
So, this is where I cash in my annual Threadnaught ticket?
I was involved in this on the 'pirate' side, in Syndicate, in a small fleet alongside Rote, Suddenly and a couple others.
As seems to have been a common occurance, we recieved only basic information from the NPC's. We infered that the Syndicate target was in 8V-, so we kicked around there. Due to a lack of clear communication from the NPC's, however, we adopted a roam around the system and shoot everything approach. TiDi in 8V- itself was minor at worst, however other systems weren't so smooth.
Feedback from me:
* The NPC factions went about their own business, and expected the players to sort their own affairs out. It's clear that a fair few players on the Empire side expected to be directed by the NPC's, so perhaps in the future CCP should be more clear on this. Something like a statement to the effect of 'We [the NPC's] will be focusing on our fleet action, you [the players] will need to find those amongst you to lead and direct your efforts'. No hand-holding or insulation from the often harsh nature of EvE, but a simple 'sort your own **** out' would have helped those Empire folks to be a bit more prepared.
* Why did the Empire fleets have to initially assemble so far off? Why not closer (Stacmon, for example)? TiDi is clearly to be expected when that volume of pilots travel, so next time minimise the impact by reducing the distance they have to travel. Also, perhaps something that could be linked to the aforementioned 'players, you need to lead yourself' statement, is an advisory that TiDi (or spacial distortions, etc) is likely to be present. Again, I'm not saying you need to hold their hands, but a little information about what they could expect might have helped.
Those two points aside, well done for running an event that had two seperate targets, at the same time, involving 1000's of players. Next time however, a little more thought should be applied regarding the logistical aspect of the event.
Hal. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
32
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:00:00 -
[602] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:[quote=Lemming Alpha1dash1]You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing.
You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol
I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account.
He's got a point here. It's perfectly fine to complain and to request CCP to explain this. But let's not make too much of a deal out of this. My .02 isk. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
7
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:05:00 -
[603] - Quote
Halaxi wrote:So, this is where I cash in my annual Threadnaught ticket?
I was involved in this on the 'pirate' side, in Syndicate, in a small fleet alongside Rote, Suddenly and a couple others.
As seems to have been a common occurance, we recieved only basic information from the NPC's. We infered that the Syndicate target was in 8V-, so we kicked around there. Due to a lack of clear communication from the NPC's, however, we adopted a roam around the system and shoot everything approach. TiDi in 8V- itself was minor at worst, however other systems weren't so smooth.
Feedback from me:
* The NPC factions went about their own business, and expected the players to sort their own affairs out. It's clear that a fair few players on the Empire side expected to be directed by the NPC's, so perhaps in the future CCP should be more clear on this. Something like a statement to the effect of 'We [the NPC's] will be focusing on our fleet action, you [the players] will need to find those amongst you to lead and direct your efforts'. No hand-holding or insulation from the often harsh nature of EvE, but a simple 'sort your own **** out' would have helped those Empire folks to be a bit more prepared.
* Why did the Empire fleets have to initially assemble so far off? Why not closer (Stacmon, for example)? TiDi is clearly to be expected when that volume of pilots travel, so next time minimise the impact by reducing the distance they have to travel. Also, perhaps something that could be linked to the aforementioned 'players, you need to lead yourself' statement, is an advisory that TiDi (or spacial distortions, etc) is likely to be present. Again, I'm not saying you need to hold their hands, but a little information about what they could expect might have helped.
Those two points aside, well done for running an event that had two seperate targets, at the same time, involving 1000's of players. Next time however, a little more thought should be applied regarding the logistical aspect of the event.
Hal.
I was lucky enough to have a FC. And comms (it failed over 4-5 times but I persisted and was one of the few who had). We knew about the camp in Doril. When we knew what was happening, we all went for suicide as a better option for even moar boredom. A kill. Get podded. If you could. |

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:37:00 -
[604] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote: ...
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.
Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd. You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing. You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account. There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP
You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy. Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD
What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz).
This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement.
We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done.
Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such)
This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon.
So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work) |

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:41:00 -
[605] - Quote
PS: here is a way to better understand the grievances
http://jestertrek.blogspot.nl/2013/11/backfire.html
The attackers expected a CCP-run live event. Instead to net it out, the attacker's position is that they... GÇówere left by the event organizers to fend for themselves; GÇówere not given adequate instructions on what to do; GÇówere not organized into effective fleets; GÇówere not led by trustworthy FCs; and, GÇóthat CCP in essence led a couple of thousand EVE players into a deathtrap from which there was no escape. And then to add insult to injury, CCP subjected them to 23 jumps of 10% TiDi.
|

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:49:00 -
[606] - Quote
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote: ...
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.
Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd. You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing. You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account. There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy. Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz). This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement. We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done. Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such) This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon. So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work)
I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.
But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.
Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.
|

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
145
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:58:00 -
[607] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote: ...
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.
Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd. You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing. You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account. There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy. Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz). This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement. We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done. Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such) This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon. So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work) I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that. But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game. Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.
Actually in some countries, there is a legal duty of care,Particularly when real money is paid for game currency. Not everyone lives in a country where dog eats dog is acceptable. He may actually have a legal and justifiable claim. CCP had a duty of care and there is a suspicion that they were deliberately negligent in this.c This may or may not be true.There are plenty of laws and statutes that cover exactly this issue.The fact it is in a game is irrelevant. Real money was lost. Again how much is not the issue.Whether someone is annoyed enough to pursue it is.
CCP lawyers will be having a fit over this. (possibly) |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
9
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 21:58:00 -
[608] - Quote
I don't want no reimbursement. I just want to voice the feedback that is was below pathetic. It's bad enough to create conspiracy theories. It was my first time. (Yeah, right). Is this the state of failure to expect? |

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:02:00 -
[609] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote: ...
PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending. It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.
Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd. You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing. You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account. There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy. Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz). This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement. We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done. Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such) This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon. So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work) I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that. But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game. Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.
Calling me a carebear is a true sign of juvenile behaviour I expect from nullsec dwellers, but I digress, and want to stay on topic:
"Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game."
Why I want the reimbursement is to give CCP a sign that their behaviour to me as a customer in regards to this live event was very very poor, and a measure of reimbursement has to be made.
CCP has reimbursed all kinds of stuff when they **** up, like skillpoints or ships in the past decade.
Are all those people that enjoyed their reimbursements also carebears according to your way of thinking ?
Eve is PvP indeed but it is when it comes to live events it's also roleplaying and making eve history, which literally thousands of pilots were DENIED.
A price has to be paid for that, and my price is ship and clone reimbursement, what is your price when a server node crashes and you lose a titan because of it ? |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:03:00 -
[610] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote: I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.
But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.
Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.
Actually in some countries, there is a legal duty of care,Particularly when real money is paid for game currency. He may actually have a legal and justifiable claim. CCP lawyers will be having a fit over this. (possibly)[/quote]
Yes in some countries real money exchanged for in game currency is a legal matter. in this case there was no money exchanged for in game currency. For any laws that i'm aware of (i had to do extensive research on ecash for projects in the past) the exhange needs to be a direct guarantee of electronic currency. An agreement before hand. You give me this i'll give you that. With eve you pay a monthly fee to play in a sandbox. CCP makes no other promises. Also the money that is given to CCP is a membership fee which is excluded from a number laws you might be speaking of.
So you can try and get a lawyer involved. But i think you'll be waist real life money for nothing. CCP will own you in court like the owned you in the game. |
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
146
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:09:00 -
[611] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.
But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.
Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.
Actually in some countries, there is a legal duty of care,Particularly when real money is paid for game currency. He may actually have a legal and justifiable claim. CCP lawyers will be having a fit over this. (possibly)
Yes in some countries real money exchanged for in game currency is a legal matter. in this case there was no money exchanged for in game currency. For any laws that i'm aware of (i had to do extensive research on ecash for projects in the past) the exhange needs to be a direct guarantee of electronic currency. An agreement before hand. You give me this i'll give you that. With eve you pay a monthly fee to play in a sandbox. CCP makes no other promises. Also the money that is given to CCP is a membership fee which is excluded from a number laws you might be speaking of.
So you can try and get a lawyer involved. But i think you'll be waist real life money for nothing. CCP will own you in court like the owned you in the game.[/quote]
I personally would find this excessive reaction to CCP's crappy treatment of their subscribers, and certainly would not do this, CCP sell plex to sell in game to buy ships and stuff, More of a link than you may think.Game time codes would probably fit your research. I am merely pointing out that he may actually have rights. If he goes that road, lawyers would advise, CCP would look very very silly defending this. Never underestimate countries legal systems where the claimant has legal aid or insurance. |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:16:00 -
[612] - Quote
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:
Calling me a carebear is a true sign of juvenile behaviour I expect from nullsec dwellers, but I digress, and want to stay on topic:
"Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game."
Why I want the reimbursement is to give CCP a sign that their behaviour to me as a customer in regards to this live event was very very poor, and a measure of reimbursement has to be made.
CCP has reimbursed all kinds of stuff when they **** up, like skillpoints or ships in the past decade.
Are all those people that enjoyed their reimbursements also carebears according to your way of thinking ?
Eve is PvP indeed but it is when it comes to live events it's also roleplaying and making eve history, which literally thousands of pilots were DENIED.
A price has to be paid for that, and my price is ship and clone reimbursement, what is your price when a server node crashes and you lose a titan because of it ?
lol ok we are apparently both wrong in a few things, your assuming i'm a nullseccer. I've spent some time in FW and that was ages ago. i've just reopened this account maybe a month ago. but i have two carebear accounts myself. being called a carebear isn't as negative as you might think it is. It simply implys that you prefer to play the game in a non-pvp aspect. Thus you spend your time in highsec. some might see it more than that but in reality that's all it means to any number of people i've played with.
I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.
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Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:24:00 -
[613] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:
lol ok we are apparently both wrong in a few things, your assuming i'm a nullseccer. I've spent some time in FW and that was ages ago. i've just reopened this account maybe a month ago. but i have two carebear accounts myself. being called a carebear isn't as negative as you might think it is. It simply implys that you prefer to play the game in a non-pvp aspect. Thus you spend your time in highsec. some might see it more than that but in reality that's all it means to any number of people i've played with.
I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.
Yeah I'm not a true carebear pers+¬ , since I have my own agenda that just happens to involves hisec abit more then losec. I love solo pvp, and in eve that's hard to find, so in the past I regularly partook in tournaments nn stuff.
Anyways I made my reason clear why I want what I want, and I hope everything goes well for you to in eve, signing off o7 |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
10
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:25:00 -
[614] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:[quote=Lemming Alpha1dash1] I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.
No. It wouldn't. Unless it is a vision of the future. Then we might find other venues for expression. |

DDymus
MadBot Industries
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:41:00 -
[615] - Quote
Ok, couple of things to add. How am i pissed of people saying smth like: Blah blah blah PERIOD. Or balh IS blah. Remember, that is only your opinion! EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.
ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.
Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history. And now compare: Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them. And. Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.
As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.
Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:45:00 -
[616] - Quote
DDymus wrote:Ok, couple of things to add. How am i pissed of people saying smth like: Blah blah blah PERIOD. Or balh IS blah. Remember, that is only your opinion! EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.
ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.
Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history. And now compare: Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them. And. Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.
As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.
Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.
Blah is your input. We value it for all that it is worth. Blah! Don't expect compliance without understanding. Don't expect cooperation without reason. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
34
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 22:55:00 -
[617] - Quote
DDymus wrote:Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.
Yeah. So I get a fleet of 200 people at a camp, wait for two hours while the poor bastards (us) crawl through half the galaxy, and then let them reform, so thatI finally face a 1000 man blob. 200 against a thousand, even if they're blind you're gonna lose ships. And not our mothballed cheapfits, by all likelyness - the fleet that catched my blob was made entirely of T3s (not razor though). Anyone with a sane mind, knowing a big bunch of lemmings is coming through, will try to make sure not to fight too many at a time. Razor did what everyone with any sanity would do - make sure they had, and kept, the upper hand. You can't hold it against them.
But here's another catch - RAZOR are not pirates. When you tell me we're going against the pirate factions I envision Serpentis and Angel, not RZR and PL. I won't repeat what many have said quite eloquently about giving them several hours to prepare and organize fleets while we were desperately trying to stick together. Makes me think of the Tsushima battle.
You tell me the empires are pitting their navy against the pirate factions; then what we have is a thousand man blob disgregated by heavy travelling and badly organized to begin with, served with no backup or support to a well-prepared, well-organized, defending fleet of veterans holding their own turf; and not only that: you serve it a morsel at a time. I knew it was going to be bad when I jumped in; yet what could we do? Go back the way we came? **** that, let's blow up and get it over with.
EDIT: Just to add insult to injury, I have some friends in one of the big nullsec blocs. One of them was in the hisec forces - stuck around for a while, got in the long train of jumps, then said "**** this, why bother?" and j-cloned to the defending fleet. In a matter of minutes he was formed up and ready to roll. In the meanwhile, his former fleet was losing ships all over the place trying to get somewhere useful. |

Oldbeef McPeterson
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:01:00 -
[618] - Quote
Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson CCP Games, CEO
Anybody writing an open letter? I'd +1 anything that involved:
1) You let your *** employees **** off thousands of your paying customers 2) How: (paraphrase from previous >300 posts) - Lambs to the slaughter - Uneccessary tidi torture - Flow of information was ******* ********, complete lack of communication
You can't just say "hey guys (3000 people) check this **** out over here" and then stand back.
Whatever...
I also think CCP Goliaths response is empty and stupid, this has nothing to do with misunderstandings, because for misunderstandings to exist there has to be ****ing communication in the first place. Real DBag response by him if you ask me.
I am really pissed, but at least there are 0.0 tear collectors so i don't have to get my keyboard wet.
**** off CCP |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:02:00 -
[619] - Quote
It has nothing to do about "pirates". Organized violence will always trumph people that would just rather go on with there lives. Shooting fish in a barrel. That is easy. Facing the consequences is not. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
499
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:15:00 -
[620] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
All I can say is it had better be good.
In addition to my previous complaints I also searched the entire of 8V KM's and found next to none that could have been the NPC Navies, and those were probably FW players in the NPC FW Corp. Yet supposedly the players were just back up for the NPC's, not the main force.
This thread has grown faster than the TOS thread which had people panicking, so should tell you both how many people are actually interested in live events, and how upset people are. |
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DDymus
MadBot Industries
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:18:00 -
[621] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:DDymus wrote:Ok, couple of things to add. How am i pissed of people saying smth like: Blah blah blah PERIOD. Or balh IS blah. Remember, that is only your opinion! EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.
ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.
Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history. And now compare: Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them. And. Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.
As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.
Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace. Blah is your input. We value it for all that it is worth. Blah! Don't expect compliance without understanding. Don't expect cooperation without reason. well, balh is all about this topic from the begining til lthe end (ifthere will be one). Do you really think that even 30+ pages of whining from one side and trolling\tearcollecting from the other will make any difference? comments like: plan more, reinforce nodes and so on: i doubt that CCP are stupid and didn't anticipated that load will be huge when announcing live event like this. so they made this on purpose, which one - they are not expected to tell you, they are obviously tested something and suceeded in it no doubt from my side here. And if they really want feedback - 1 there could be a formal way for that, 2 - extracting even from first couple of pages will do the trick, anythig else is just regular blah blah blah and trolololo. so Im here just to hit keyboard and make internet bigger by my post. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
14
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:24:00 -
[622] - Quote
I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. |

DDymus
MadBot Industries
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:29:00 -
[623] - Quote
Quote:Yeah. So I get a fleet of 200 people at a camp, wait for two hours while the poor bastards (us) crawl through half the galaxy, and then let them reform, so thatI finally face a 1000 man blob. 200 against a thousand, even if they're blind you're gonna lose ships. And not our mothballed cheapfits, by all likelyness - the fleet that catched my blob was made entirely of T3s (not razor though). Anyone with a sane mind, knowing a big bunch of lemmings is coming through, will try to make sure not to fight too many at a time. Razor did what everyone with any sanity would do - make sure they had, and kept, the upper hand. You can't hold it against them.
i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:32:00 -
[624] - Quote
DDymus wrote:Quote:Yeah. So I get a fleet of 200 people at a camp, wait for two hours while the poor bastards (us) crawl through half the galaxy, and then let them reform, so thatI finally face a 1000 man blob. 200 against a thousand, even if they're blind you're gonna lose ships. And not our mothballed cheapfits, by all likelyness - the fleet that catched my blob was made entirely of T3s (not razor though). Anyone with a sane mind, knowing a big bunch of lemmings is coming through, will try to make sure not to fight too many at a time. Razor did what everyone with any sanity would do - make sure they had, and kept, the upper hand. You can't hold it against them.
i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.
They are at the "winning at any cost", level. Don't bother. Dreariness is far too present everywhere. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
853
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:34:00 -
[625] - Quote
To put it simply we were all CPPd |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
35
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:38:00 -
[626] - Quote
DDymus wrote:i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet?
Hey I don't live in null anymore. I'm a carebear just like you (from what you say below).
But why do you expect people to play their game differently than the way they use to play it? As someone mentioned, "welcome to our tuesday evening" - there was nothing special about a blob getting into their turf. It's everyday's job, so like everyday they set up and defended their territory. The exceptional thing is that they had hours of advance warning while we were trying to figure out what the heck we were doing.
Quote:and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.
The nullsec alliances weren't there to show anyone anything. They were there to protect their territory, simple as that. You trespass into CFC area, you get a fight. Maybe you die, maybe you get out with your pod/ship/fleet. But you get a fight, that's for sure (well, mostly). The other alliances are just the same.
It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this? |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:39:00 -
[627] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:To put it simply we were all CPPd
That is so sad. I approve. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
500
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:49:00 -
[628] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:DDymus wrote:i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? Hey I don't live in null anymore. I'm a carebear just like you (from what you say below). But why do you expect people to play their game differently than the way they use to play it? As someone mentioned, "welcome to our tuesday evening" - there was nothing special about a blob getting into their turf. It's everyday's job, so like everyday they set up and defended their territory. The exceptional thing is that they had hours of advance warning while we were trying to figure out what the heck we were doing. Quote:and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer. The nullsec alliances weren't there to show anyone anything. They were there to protect their territory, simple as that. You trespass into CFC area, you get a fight. Maybe you die, maybe you get out with your pod/ship/fleet. But you get a fight, that's for sure (well, mostly). The other alliances are just the same. It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this?
The issue is not the null seccers, The issue is that it was not 'stragglers' who failed to reach the event. I don't believe a single high sec fleet made it to the event. Most of them not because of enemy action but because CCP started the Null event an hour before most fleets finally made it through TiDi to the target systems. The fleet I was in made it to 8V intact (Though we lost maybe 1/3rd of our numbers when CCP declared the event over). But the event was declared officially ended by CCP while we were 5 jumps out. And CCP started the event before we had even cleared high sec. This despite the fact that we were moving as fast as we could without splitting the fleet up. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1827
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:52:00 -
[629] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.
Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter.
But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you?
Yeah, good luck with that. |

DDymus
MadBot Industries
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:54:00 -
[630] - Quote
Quote:It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this? Well I guess im totally wrong in judging people then, if you see that CCP failed in organizing event they planed, and you have the power to fix that - why the hell not.
Alliances were defending theyr territory? from who? highsec players, who know nothing about null mechanics and how this is working? and according to the posters before me - even cannot set overview properly? srsly, make up your mind, are you afraid or not? coz one half is saing that highs can't do anything and will be spanked anywhere anytime, but others are afraid about letting highs organize and at least clump up. |
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Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
15
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 23:56:00 -
[631] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter. But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you? Yeah, good luck with that.
We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding. |

DDymus
MadBot Industries
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 00:01:00 -
[632] - Quote
Quote:The issue is not the null seccers, The issue is that it was not 'stragglers' who failed to reach the event. I don't believe a single high sec fleet made it to the event. Most of them not because of enemy action but because CCP started the Null event an hour before most fleets finally made it through TiDi to the target systems. The fleet I was in made it to 8V intact (Though we lost maybe 1/3rd of our numbers when CCP declared the event over). But the event was declared officially ended by CCP while we were 5 jumps out. And CCP started the event before we had even cleared high sec. This despite the fact that we were moving as fast as we could without splitting the fleet up.
I do agree. Even if its OK to have main gathering point away from where event will actually take place, you should have thought a way how to transport everybody from there to here within reasanoble time and not ending event before everyone actually hit the place. and ye doril gate was so heavilly and well camped, that gate jump mechanics made it really nearly impossible to jump trough, those luckers who got trough - were misstakes, made by target callers, node itself, whatever. in abstract space, there were 0 cahnces to get trough. |

Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
9
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 00:03:00 -
[633] - Quote
Tibus Heth was framed. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
35
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 00:04:00 -
[634] - Quote
DDymus wrote:Well I guess im totally wrong in judging people then, if you see that CCP failed in organizing event they planed, and you have the power to fix that - why the hell not.
So, since CCP failed, you expect your fellow players to give up THEIR fun (and ISK) in a PVP game so that you can have yours. Doesn't that strike you as a bit pretentious?
Quote:Alliances were defending theyr territory? from who? highsec players, who know nothing about null mechanics and how this is working? and according to the posters before me - even cannot set overview properly? srsly, make up your mind, are you afraid or not? coz one half is saing that highs can't do anything and will be spanked anywhere anytime, but others are afraid about letting highs organize and at least clump up.
Lol. As I told you, I'm not a nullsec dweller. Yet if I were, I would've been at the borders shooting fish in the barrel.
I'm not saying a blob can take up sov and make an alliance run screaming. But face a 1000 pilots blob and be sure you'll lose some ships - it's inevitable, the firepower is simply too much.
So, are you willing to sacrifice your ship for no reason at all? Just to make someone else happy? If you are, then you should be happy because that's EXACTLY what you did at the event. Glad you enjoyed it. If you are not, then why are you asking someone else to risk their ships to make you have fun?
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1828
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:06:00 -
[635] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter. But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you? Yeah, good luck with that. We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding.
First off, stop being so dramatic. It's not helping you get your point across.
Second, getting organized does not make you a slave. In this game, what it does is it makes you effective. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
15
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:08:00 -
[636] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:DDymus wrote:Well I guess im totally wrong in judging people then, if you see that CCP failed in organizing event they planed, and you have the power to fix that - why the hell not. So, since CCP failed, you expect your fellow players to give up THEIR fun (and ISK) in a PVP game so that you can have yours. Doesn't that strike you as a bit pretentious? Quote:Alliances were defending theyr territory? from who? highsec players, who know nothing about null mechanics and how this is working? and according to the posters before me - even cannot set overview properly? srsly, make up your mind, are you afraid or not? coz one half is saing that highs can't do anything and will be spanked anywhere anytime, but others are afraid about letting highs organize and at least clump up. Lol. As I told you, I'm not a nullsec dweller. Yet if I were, I would've been at the borders shooting fish in the barrel. I'm not saying a blob can take up sov and make an alliance run screaming. But face a 1000 pilots blob and be sure you'll lose some ships - it's inevitable, the firepower is simply too much. So, are you willing to sacrifice your ship for no reason at all? Just to make someone else happy? If you are, then you should be happy because that's EXACTLY what you did at the event. Glad you enjoyed it. If you are not, then why are you asking someone else to risk their ships to make you have fun?
We have no faith. In the game. But for selfish reasons, I would expect CCP to make an appealing "event". That failed. Totally. All faith lost (what would remain). Do you heare me: Marianne?! |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
15
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:18:00 -
[637] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter. But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you? Yeah, good luck with that. We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding. First off, stop being so dramatic. It's not helping you get your point across. Second, getting organized does not make you a slave. In this game, what it does is it makes you effective.
Effectiveness is but a pale shadow of what you are. The dream bigger. It's not that dramatic. If you face the total truth, and is not scared. You might have more important things to do than conform. Yield. To power. |

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
232
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:27:00 -
[638] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding. My experience in flying trough null has thought me otherwise. Whenever I wander through our null static, all the Uber powerful tear harvesting chest beating Kings of Null-sec either dock up, or flee through the nearest gate. You lot are afraid all right, of a single WH player in a lonely Legion. And most of the times I'm the one laughing all the way to the bank after plundering your riches in your backwater systems.
Of course I don't play this game by your rules and your standards, why don't you play by mine?
Please don't misunderstand, it was a question, not a statement you have to. Because I would be a fool to tell another EvE player how to play this game. The strength of this game comes at least partially from the myriad ways to play it. In other words, there is no right or wrong way. And judging by more than a few posts, the nullseccers had their fun last night because the highseccers play the way they do. So don't judge and belittle, but give a pad on the back and say 'hey dudes, thanks for the fun and the padding of our kill boards'....
Edit: I see now that I made the mistake of viewing your statement as being made from a null perspective, my apologies. But apart from that, my opinion on null still stands. EN. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
16
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:30:00 -
[639] - Quote
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding. My experience in flying trough null has thought me otherwise. Whenever I wander through our null static, all the Uber powerful tear harvesting chest beating Kings of Null-sec either dock up, or flee through the nearest gate. You lot are afraid all right, of a single WH player in a lonely Legion. And most of the times I'm the one laughing all the way to the bank after plundering your riches in your backwater systems. Of course I don't play this game by your rules and your standards, why don't you play by mine? Please don't misunderstand, it was a question, not a statement you have to. Because I would be a fool to tell another EvE player how to play this game. The strength of this game comes at least partially from the myriad ways to play it. In other words, there is no right or wrong way. And judging by more than a few posts, the nullseccers had their fun last night because the highseccers play the way they do. So don't judge and belittle, but give a pad on the back and say 'hey dudes, thanks for the fun and the padding of our kill boards'.... 
You are less inclined to face opposition than me. ( A coward ). Fine. Create a doctrine (I ******* HATE THAT WORD) of cowardice. |

Na Kahm
Astra1 Mining
7
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:30:00 -
[640] - Quote
gave up after 16 jumps, **** this **** for a "unlive" event, at least ccp SHOULD have talked been there or something, but guesses they don't care about the players 1st and last event EVER  |
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Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
18
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:35:00 -
[641] - Quote
1st and last, and always is a far moar spiritual pursuit. |

Schwein Hosen
DuckPus Fightclub
9
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:18:00 -
[642] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:To put it simply we were all CPPd
I kinda feel bad for CCP now, but that is really funny!
If any CCP guy does read this, I'll just say one thing. Instead of raging, let me offer this one piece of advice. Consider briefing the CSM on your plans before you implement them next time, just like you do with most game changes and devblogs. This game is, as you know, hard to get right unless you have a lot of experience. Any one of the CSM members could have predicted all the things that were going to go wrong with this live event and how the players would react. It's a simple thing that will save you from all these unintended consequences next time.
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Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
18
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:26:00 -
[643] - Quote
Schwein Hosen wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:To put it simply we were all CPPd I kinda feel bad for CCP now, but that is really funny! If any CCP guy does read this, I'll just say one thing. Instead of raging, let me offer this one piece of advice. Consider briefing the CSM on your plans before you implement them next time, just like you do with most game changes and devblogs. This game is, as you know, hard to get right unless you have a lot of experience. Any one of the CSM members could have predicted all the things that were going to go wrong with this live event and how the players would react. It's a simple thing that will save you from all these unintended consequences next time.
Yeah. At least the CSM should be prepared. And Ready! To get some authority and thrust out three. They usually show dedication. To improve the experiences of people here. |

Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:43:00 -
[644] - Quote
...Does anyone else suddenly feel like you're watching a shirtless man with three nipples standing atop the H+ñagen-Dazs building protesting photosynthesis, all against a mushroom cloud backdrop? |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
855
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:06:00 -
[645] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:To put it simply we were all CPPd
Can we get someone to call "Primary" on this photo of the CCP Office Party from last night.
Sourced: http://www.gameskinny.com/euksz/eve-online-live-event-bleating-of-the-lambs |

Anomaly One
Doomheim
64
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:19:00 -
[646] - Quote
lol, i'm done |

Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:30:00 -
[647] - Quote
CCP should have had seasoned FC's leading the hi-sec fleets. That along with some titans for jumping would have given the hi-sec folks a much better look at combat.
Oh and TIDI.. that is the worst invention of this game. All it does is allow a ****** situation to remain ****** |

Kueyen
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.11.09 03:02:00 -
[648] - Quote
We weren't just lambs led to the slaughterhouse. We weren't just guinea pigs for the new load balancer. We were the ******* entertainment at the office party. Goodbye, Live Events. |

Sterryos
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 03:18:00 -
[649] - Quote
Kueyen wrote:We weren't just lambs led to the slaughterhouse. We weren't just guinea pigs for the new load balancer. We were the ******* entertainment at the office party. Goodbye, Live Events. This makes me glad that I just went **** it as soon as we were told to go to Ihal. Although it seems I would have missed all of that carnage anyway, having to jump 20+ systems at 10% TiDi in an Abaddon. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
855
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Posted - 2013.11.09 03:23:00 -
[650] - Quote
Sterryos wrote:Kueyen wrote:We weren't just lambs led to the slaughterhouse. We weren't just guinea pigs for the new load balancer. We were the ******* entertainment at the office party. Goodbye, Live Events. This makes me glad that I just went **** it as soon as we were told to go to Ihal. Although it seems I would have missed all of that carnage anyway, having to jump 20+ systems at 10% TiDi in an Abaddon.
I was warping with an Abaddon, got 2 jumps out from Shedoo (all at 10% TiDi apart from 2 systems) and it was all over so the chatter said. Didn't fire one of the 11,000 Faction HM's I had in my hold.
Glad CCP Staff and the Null Bears were appeased for the node dying the other night...tinfoil hattery or truth. Look at the picture and make up your own mind of why organisation was chaotic\non-existent and why "RP Chars" AKA CCP Devs just dropped Fleet and logged. |
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Sterryos
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 03:30:00 -
[651] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Sterryos wrote:Kueyen wrote:We weren't just lambs led to the slaughterhouse. We weren't just guinea pigs for the new load balancer. We were the ******* entertainment at the office party. Goodbye, Live Events. This makes me glad that I just went **** it as soon as we were told to go to Ihal. Although it seems I would have missed all of that carnage anyway, having to jump 20+ systems at 10% TiDi in an Abaddon. I was warping with an Abaddon, got 2 jumps out from Shedoo (all at 10% TiDi apart from 2 systems) and it was all over so the chatter said. Didn't fire one of the 11,000 Faction HM's I had in my hold. Glad CCP Staff and the Null Bears were appeased for the node dying the other night...tinfoil hattery or truth. Look at the picture and make up your own mind of why organisation was chaotic\non-existent and why "RP Chars" AKA CCP Devs just dropped Fleet and logged. Well at least you weren't blown up for the entertainment of those at the party. |

Draekas Darkwater
Frank Exchange of Views Kabantik Star Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:11:00 -
[652] - Quote
The team running this should have known how it was going to turn out in advance.
Even if they didn't, they should have known how it WAS turning out during the super long TiDi adventure. That should have been time enough to figure out what to do, how to cancel the event gracefully or how to tell the players who jumped all that way what had happened and that they were probably going to die in a fire if they jumped.
Instead, CCP just essentially awoxed a bunch of high sec players after making them jump around for an hour. WTF?
Was turning hundreds or thousands of high sec players and noobs off of ever trying PvP or nullsec ever again worth it? Was possibly making some even quit the game worth it, just because your forethought and planning sucked, so you threw up your arms and said "**** it, the event is borked anyway, lets just get it over with and tell these scrubs to jump".
Good job guys, great way to build customer satisfaction.
I'm really not sure there should be a next time, but if there is, how about designing an event that takes place over weeks, and involves as much of the playerbase as possible, and does not involve trying to shoehorn thousands of players who want nothing to do with huge TiDi fights into a few systems for some silly reason? |

Plentath
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:55:00 -
[653] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter. But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you? Yeah, good luck with that. We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding. First off, stop being so dramatic. It's not helping you get your point across. Second, getting organized does not make you a slave. In this game, what it does is it makes you effective. Effectiveness is but a pale shadow of what you are. The dream bigger. It's not that dramatic. If you face the total truth, and is not scared. You might have more important things to do than conform. Yield. To power. This is a lot of wailing and posturing for "stay in highsec and run the same missions over and over" |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:06:00 -
[654] - Quote
Quote:n++[ 2013.11.07 19:20:31 ] Sami Okuuda > Fleet. Our destination is RMOC-W. Move to the Mifrata gate If you read fleet chat you wouldve known we were going null. But most of you where just spamming fleet chat.
Quote:[ 2013.11.07 19:51:46 ] Sami Okuuda > Ok, listen up. [ 2013.11.07 19:51:54 ] Sami Okuuda > There is a large gatecamp on the opposite side of this gate. n++[ 2013.11.07 19:51:59 ] Sami Okuuda > So orders are as such [ 2013.11.07 19:53:00 ] Sami Okuuda > When we enter Doril, align and burn towards Planet 4. As soon as you are clear of the bubbles, warp to planet 4. When you reach planet 4, align to the new outgate to Jorund. n++[ 2013.11.07 19:53:07 ] Sami Okuuda > We jump in 20 seconds. n++[ 2013.11.07 19:53:09 ] Sami Okuuda > GOod luch [ 2013.11.07 19:53:27 ] Sami Okuuda > Luck. You all knew there was a gate camp if you nubs wernt spamming fleet chat you might of read it. Only prob I have is the lack of info from the start. Why did I have to find on twitter that we had to go 23 jumps to lhal. In Sarum we had 1300 in local by the time we left lhal we was down to 800. CCP should of known 1300 pilots was going to get stuck in 10% tidi in highsec. Im sure the null guys bridged in why couldnt we. Caldari Navy cant afford a titan? I still had fun made it all the way there and got my pod out. |

Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:19:00 -
[655] - Quote
That photo should be up on every billboard near the Hi-Sec jump gates. Just saying. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
235
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:33:00 -
[656] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Octoven wrote:Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. Having 4-5 official streams up only serves to confuse the population as to which is which and what they need to watch. Instead they could all view one site and read a short 160 character message to get the information. I would rather them not have streamed this, having multiple streams going is a bad idea. You may tune into the stream AFTER the message was stated and not know still. At least a tweet is in black and white text and people can read as they come to the site, instant information. What about some in game spread of information? like, calendar, evegate, liveevent channel, whateverthefuck is pertaining to the game we're playing instead of some half-assed attempt at communicating through a social media that isn't part and parcel of the EVE experience. The fact it's public it's perfectly irrelevant: you have to be on twitter and following CCP to be aware of their tweets, whether they are public or not.
I would argue that the fact ANY information that is posted on this website regarding game developments and updates is just as much irrelevant as you would need to be on forums, website, and ect. out of game means to receive information.
Petar Harad wrote:Octoven wrote:Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. uhm....no, it isn't. Not when it's about information needed in-game.
Again I iterate this website is not in-game and we rely very heavily on it for information, how is a eve account on twitter any differently? Yes twitter is not an eve specific themed website, BUT the twitter account for eve IS and thus a reliable source of game information. We relied heavily on it when eve went under the DDoS attack for updates, I never heard any complaints then. I must therefore assume you only complain when you do not gain from it. Which in my point of view demeans the quality of your complaints and concerns. Both of the aforementioned quotes are failed arguments, twitter is indeed a source of in-game information just as this website is...the fact that you do not like the website as a means of disseminating information is irrelevant.
Overall this thread wreaks of people going, CCP sucks, this event sucks, I couldnt attend, blah blah... In reality only a handful of people have given legitimate feedback on WHY it didn't go well. I'm not sure where to be shocked, the lack of intelligence in providing effective feedback or the apparent failure on CCP's part to execute a live event. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
235
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:34:00 -
[657] - Quote
Cpt Tenguru37 wrote:Quote:n++[ 2013.11.07 19:20:31 ] Sami Okuuda > Fleet. Our destination is RMOC-W. Move to the Mifrata gate If you read fleet chat you wouldve known we were going null. But most of you where just spamming fleet chat. Quote:[ 2013.11.07 19:51:46 ] Sami Okuuda > Ok, listen up. [ 2013.11.07 19:51:54 ] Sami Okuuda > There is a large gatecamp on the opposite side of this gate. n++[ 2013.11.07 19:51:59 ] Sami Okuuda > So orders are as such [ 2013.11.07 19:53:00 ] Sami Okuuda > When we enter Doril, align and burn towards Planet 4. As soon as you are clear of the bubbles, warp to planet 4. When you reach planet 4, align to the new outgate to Jorund. n++[ 2013.11.07 19:53:07 ] Sami Okuuda > We jump in 20 seconds. n++[ 2013.11.07 19:53:09 ] Sami Okuuda > GOod luch [ 2013.11.07 19:53:27 ] Sami Okuuda > Luck. You all knew there was a gate camp if you nubs wernt spamming fleet chat you might of read it. Only prob I have is the lack of info from the start. Why did I have to find on twitter that we had to go 23 jumps to lhal. In Sarum we had 1300 in local by the time we left lhal we was down to 800. CCP should of known 1300 pilots was going to get stuck in 10% tidi in highsec. Im sure the null guys bridged in why couldnt we. Caldari Navy cant afford a titan? I still had fun made it all the way there and got my pod out.
EXACTLY! They were given information 4 jumps prior to that on the destination system and the fact it was in null sec. They further was given a warning on the situation IN GAME regarding the risk and yet they took it. If they still died they did so at their own fault and not that of CCP. |

Gummy Worm
Lollipop Hot Drop
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:52:00 -
[658] - Quote
What CCP should do is anytime they have an event like this they should hold the event in dedicated Jove space. Talk about lore and interest in any space of the universe, Jove takes it by a mile. Have a small group of systems dedicated to hosting events like this that aren't connected to majority of CCP's Jove space. Just create 2-3 systems in a tiny constellation.
This is how it can go down, for example:
The whatever event is Friday night at 2030 EVE time, everyone who is interested in attending the event goes to that particular system and upon entering there will be a titan present. Jump everyone into Jove space with that titan at 2030 EVE time and use this opportunity to let empire players see a titan in the flesh. I know when I first started playing when I first saw a titan it blew my mind. That alone would get people to come.
In Jove, let there be a number of gates in each system, but 1 gate sends everyone back to hi-sec, and then the other simply connects to the other systems in the small constellation. And if people want to log off thinking they're going to stay in Jove space, just send everyone back manually whose still in system at the conclusion of the event, to Jita, docked with their ship. I'm confident that CCP has this power.
This all sounds a bit high maintenance and possibly some extra effort would have to be dedicated to these events, (as they should,) or rather CCP might have to clean their rooms before inviting friends over, (Jove space.) But think about the possibilities of this: If you have a regular space that you can control everything about it, and absolutely nobody has been there, regular Jove events will bring players from ever security space to see and experience Jove.
Bringing on some FC's that play the game regularly to be dedicated event FC's would be the smart move too. Charismatic, competent and trusting individuals who can balance explaining stuff to newbies and also show a good time to vets. This is probably one of the most important things for something like this. Think of it like a hunting safari.
CCP can be real creative with these events too. Loot that is incredibly rare can be dropped at these events, giving everyone incentive to go to the event. You can even have a mining event, as crazy or unpopular as it may sound, where the systems are just littered with ore sites that are packed with ABC ores for the duration of the event. Everyone has 4 hours to get as much ore as they can, and remind them to bring their industrials with them because once you leave, you can't come back in. (Ok, that idea doesn't sound too great, but something for people who mine, I'm sure there's something there..)
Imagine an event too where you can throw hundreds of anomalies between all the systems and only a handful of rats between those anomalies drop, say a Revenant BPC, and it becomes a scavenger hunt. Last idea I'll give is you can have 2 titans in the staging system. One is reprsented by A side, and the second is B side. Pick a side, stage from that titan and you fight together against the other side. Everyone jumps through in respective systems A and C, meet in the middle at B and blob it up.
I think there's a real opportunity here to capitalize on the reaction received from what happened last night. People expect a lot from events ran by CCP, and that's a good thing. Put some effort into managing and organizing an event infrastructure and you could have something that everyone looks forward to every month.
tl;dr CCP should use Jove space to have regular events in a controlled space much like the alliance tournaments where they can control the environment of any type of event, pvp or pve. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
235
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:02:00 -
[659] - Quote
Gummy Worm wrote:What CCP should do is anytime they have an event like this they should hold the event in dedicated Jove space. Talk about lore and interest in any space of the universe, Jove takes it by a mile. Have a small group of systems dedicated to hosting events like this that aren't connected to majority of CCP's Jove space. Just create 2-3 systems in a tiny constellation.
This is how it can go down, for example:
The whatever event is Friday night at 2030 EVE time, everyone who is interested in attending the event goes to that particular system and upon entering there will be a titan present. Jump everyone into Jove space with that titan at 2030 EVE time and use this opportunity to let empire players see a titan in the flesh. I know when I first started playing when I first saw a titan it blew my mind. That alone would get people to come.
In Jove, let there be a number of gates in each system, but 1 gate sends everyone back to hi-sec, and then the other simply connects to the other systems in the small constellation. And if people want to log off thinking they're going to stay in Jove space, just send everyone back manually whose still in system at the conclusion of the event, to Jita, docked with their ship. I'm confident that CCP has this power.
This all sounds a bit high maintenance and possibly some extra effort would have to be dedicated to these events, (as they should,) or rather CCP might have to clean their rooms before inviting friends over, (Jove space.) But think about the possibilities of this: If you have a regular space that you can control everything about it, and absolutely nobody has been there, regular Jove events will bring players from ever security space to see and experience Jove.
Bringing on some FC's that play the game regularly to be dedicated event FC's would be the smart move too. Charismatic, competent and trusting individuals who can balance explaining stuff to newbies and also show a good time to vets. This is probably one of the most important things for something like this. Think of it like a hunting safari.
CCP can be real creative with these events too. Loot that is incredibly rare can be dropped at these events, giving everyone incentive to go to the event. You can even have a mining event, as crazy or unpopular as it may sound, where the systems are just littered with ore sites that are packed with ABC ores for the duration of the event. Everyone has 4 hours to get as much ore as they can, and remind them to bring their industrials with them because once you leave, you can't come back in. (Ok, that idea doesn't sound too great, but something for people who mine, I'm sure there's something there..)
Imagine an event too where you can throw hundreds of anomalies between all the systems and only a handful of rats between those anomalies drop, say a Revenant BPC, and it becomes a scavenger hunt. Last idea I'll give is you can have 2 titans in the staging system. One is reprsented by A side, and the second is B side. Pick a side, stage from that titan and you fight together against the other side. Everyone jumps through in respective systems A and C, meet in the middle at B and blob it up.
I think there's a real opportunity here to capitalize on the reaction received from what happened last night. People expect a lot from events ran by CCP, and that's a good thing. Put some effort into managing and organizing an event infrastructure and you could have something that everyone looks forward to every month.
tl;dr CCP should use Jove space to have regular events in a controlled space much like the alliance tournaments where they can control the environment of any type of event, pvp or pve.
Unfortunately you will still have people complaining that they cant do anything once there because others are deploying bubbles and killing them >.> |

Gummy Worm
Lollipop Hot Drop
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:04:00 -
[660] - Quote
Depending on the event make bubbles illegal, and advertise that in advance. For A event, Jove space will practice high security rules. For B event, Jove space will practice null security rules. And so forth. The point should not always be to encourage high security players to do the null thing with these events. Each event should be to ereatively assemble players from all walks of EVE to get together for whatever the incentive of that event is: Loot, kills, ore, games, etc. |
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Zim69
Zombie Apocalypse Redux
9
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:09:00 -
[661] - Quote
I think this could have been the beginning of something really cool. Over 2000 people, just in High sec, came to this event knowing they were going to get their ship blown up and podded. Because *surprise* a lot people really like goal oriented pvp, instead of mindless lazer-tag-in-space that is eve's usual fair or the endless grind that FW has become. But hind sight is 20/20 and all that, back to lazer tag |

Elam Neadenil
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:45:00 -
[662] - Quote
Clearly the highsec people should have snuck off and collected all their caps and supercaps they have hidden in null (CCP rigorously hunt down highsec caps and move the one or two that are left left in high if they so much as sneeze) and then cyno-ed in .. shows how pathetic the carebears are thinking they would get NPC cap or cyno support ... should have arranged there own like null does :P
To be honest the main comments from other newer players have been long th e lines of "if that is large fleet combat it really sucks and those idiots in null can keep it" .
BTW ... I live in losec and it seems to me we get the risk of real PvP every time we undock ... certianly a lot more often than highsec (where you have carebear groups like New Order pretending that ganking is PvP) and null where they mainly carebear it up but occasionally join a corporate bun fight at allaince request.
Basically living in high is like a police state, null is like a "company mining town" where everyone crawls up the ass of the local corporate bosses and tows the company line and losec is teh wild west but unfortunately often empty. |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
52
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:00:00 -
[663] - Quote
Elam Neadenil wrote:Clearly the highsec people should have snuck off and collected all their caps and supercaps they have hidden in null (CCP rigorously hunt down highsec caps and move the one or two that are left left in high if they so much as sneeze) and then cyno-ed in .. shows how pathetic the carebears are thinking they would get NPC cap or cyno support ... should have arranged there own like null does :P
To be honest the main comments from other newer players have been long th e lines of "if that is large fleet combat it really sucks and those idiots in null can keep it" .
BTW ... I live in losec and it seems to me we get the risk of real PvP every time we undock ... certianly a lot more often than highsec (where you have carebear groups like New Order pretending that ganking is PvP) and null where they mainly carebear it up but occasionally join a corporate bun fight at allaince request.
Basically living in high is like a police state, null is like a "company mining town" where everyone crawls up the ass of the local corporate bosses and tows the company line and losec is teh wild west but unfortunately often empty. That's only partially true. While Low sec thinks they are the real deal, wormholers is the real mad max wild west. We had some noob nullsec carebears try to collapse a hole and got a freighter stuck hahahaha |

Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
186
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:02:00 -
[664] - Quote
Just wondering if there was so "little" information how the "nullseccers" got there bubbled up and were already camping the gate?? I mean with so little information, that could only mean they are psychic or hackers.
And why should the highseccers have the advantage of CCP FC's? That is hardly fair for the other team. Having a competent FC is one of the most prized things in this game, you want it you have to work for it.
This event was an event between pirates and high seccers, and suprise, the more experienced and organized group won. You got your ships blown up? Well mining and level 4 missions don't help you win pvp battles. |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:47:00 -
[665] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:Just wondering if there was so "little" information how the "nullseccers" got there bubbled up and were already camping the gate?? I mean with so little information, that could only mean they are psychic or hackers.
And why should the highseccers have the advantage of CCP FC's? That is hardly fair for the other team. Having a competent FC is one of the most prized things in this game, you want it you have to work for it.
This event was an event between pirates and high seccers, and suprise, the more experienced and organized group won. You got your ships blown up? Well mining and level 4 missions don't help you win pvp battles.
The only way CCP could've guaranteed safety is having some pve event in highsec, and we all know that is where the real EVE is. This was a PVP event, and the side with better PVP skills won. Even if they jumped them in with titans, do you really think that would have made a difference?
You realize most aren't complaining about ships exploding... |

Constantin Baracca
205
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:50:00 -
[666] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:Just wondering if there was so "little" information how the "nullseccers" got there bubbled up and were already camping the gate?? I mean with so little information, that could only mean they are psychic or hackers.
And why should the highseccers have the advantage of CCP FC's? That is hardly fair for the other team. Having a competent FC is one of the most prized things in this game, you want it you have to work for it.
This event was an event between pirates and high seccers, and suprise, the more experienced and organized group won. You got your ships blown up? Well mining and level 4 missions don't help you win pvp battles.
The only way CCP could've guaranteed safety is having some pve event in highsec, and we all know that is where the real EVE is. This was a PVP event, and the side with better PVP skills won. Even if they jumped them in with titans, do you really think that would have made a difference?
I think the problem was that most hisec players are hisec players because they aren't full-time EVE players. Events like this are meant to expose people who play 2-3 days a week, maybe 10 hours a week, to the rest of the game. They heard to be somewhere and weren't told what they would be doing, so they showed up in the best ships they had. On hearing they'd be led into a nullsec zone to attack a pirate installation, I'm sure even then most were thinking they'd have CCP's help getting there, since they were told pretty specifically that they were assisting the Empires and CONCORD.
If the event was meant to reinforce the divide between hisec and lowsec players, it certainly did that. How many of those hisec players that went with the event are ever planning on going out there again? I know that if my FC had bailed on me, I'd spend the entire event in time dilation trying to jump, and that nobody had any clue what they were doing, I'd stay in hisec forever. That event didn't sound like much fun for people who have other interests that trump EVE.
However, if the event was meant to try and get those hisec players to dip their toes into lower security space and experiment, as I'm still assuming, it was an absolute failure. Now a lot of players' expectations for the endgame are to be fish in a barrel.
Why would they stay or invite their friends to play now, when other games abound? |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
38
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:10:00 -
[667] - Quote
Joan Greywind wrote:Just wondering if there was so "little" information how the "nullseccers" got there bubbled up and were already camping the gate?? I mean with so little information, that could only mean they are psychic or hackers.
Well, ya know, after the target was announced, we crawled for 23 jumps. And I'm quite sure no bridge or cyno has been lit anywhere in nullsec to avoid the fleets slowboating through 23 systems, so there was no unbalance of capabilities.... right?
Quote:This event was an event between pirates and high seccers, and suprise, the more experienced and organized group won. You got your ships blown up? Well mining and level 4 missions don't help you win pvp battles.
Yeah yeah. go read one or two of the 500 posts, you might actually be able to say something meaningful after that.
Quote:The only way CCP could've guaranteed safety is having some pve event in highsec, and we all know that is where the real EVE is. This was a PVP event, and the side with better PVP skills won. Even if they jumped them in with titans, do you really think that would have made a difference?
Safety isn't the matter. I just wanted to see what the event was about before or while getting killed. Is that really so much of a request? Is that really something you badass 1337 veterans of a thousand space wars can't grasp?
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Nico Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:29:00 -
[668] - Quote
It seems that some hardcore nullsec pro pvpers dont wanna understand why highsec players are so mad. Let me explain it to you and to CCP by using RL comparison.
When you are told that in your city will be a "FREE EVENT" in a bar in your city, but it ends up to be 26 km from your town away and you end up in hospital cause the other towns people destroyed your car and you got beaten up, AND you still dont know what was that EVEN about. Now that i call BS event.
And now the towns representatives are playing the dead bug again like in Incarna, now thats something really great.
And hey CCP.. btw... WE DIDNT WANTED THOSE SHIPS ANYWAY. WE WANTED THAT CONTENT! WE WANTED THAT EVENT!
P.S.: This whole "event" situation is even worst then Mass Effects ending, and that was EA bad :( |

Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:31:00 -
[669] - Quote
WOW!
Talk about leading sheep to the wolves!
CCP, if your trying to educate players on PVP, don't throw the kids into the deep end of the pool first.
If your trying to spice things up for the NULL sec residents, good job.
Now for the next live event, CCP should let loose a Vger(1) type AI ship loose thru NULL space and let it "collect" anything it comes in contact with.
(1) Vger is Voyager in reference to the Star Trek : The Motion Picture |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2444
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:02:00 -
[670] - Quote
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:PS: here is a way to better understand the grievances http://jestertrek.blogspot.nl/2013/11/backfire.htmlThe attackers expected a CCP-run live event. Instead to net it out, the attacker's position is that they... GÇówere left by the event organizers to fend for themselves; GÇówere not given adequate instructions on what to do; GÇówere not organized into effective fleets; GÇówere not led by trustworthy FCs; and, GÇóthat CCP in essence led a couple of thousand EVE players into a deathtrap from which there was no escape. And then to add insult to injury, CCP subjected them to 23 jumps of 10% TiDi.
I'm sure that CCP is already figuring a way to spin that in a positive light.  |
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
28
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:18:00 -
[671] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
It would be good. This was the first time I was able to participate in a live event and I was hoping it would be along the scale the Titan going down on Caldari Prime. Perhaps it was an unrealistic expectation, but I was hoping to experience something with more substance than what I already experience living in Null Sec. Losing a ship was not an issue. Losing a ship to a lowly Ivy league gate camp - a group that started out in Meves to boot and the lack of any substance to this event points to very poor forethought and planning into the event (really... what was the point?)
In short there seemed to be: 1 - no real dev support for the event 2 - did not enhance my game experience or my connection to the EVE lore 3 - if it was meant as an introductory for High Sec dwellers to come to play in null more, this may have had the opposite effect. 4 - poorly planned 5 - insubstantial
Events should be big deals... story line engaging. This was... anything but. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
236
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:28:00 -
[672] - Quote
Petrified wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. It would be good. This was the first time I was able to participate in a live event and I was hoping it would be along the scale the Titan going down on Caldari Prime. Perhaps it was an unrealistic expectation, but I was hoping to experience something with more substance than what I already experience living in Null Sec. Losing a ship was not an issue. Losing a ship to a lowly Ivy league gate camp - a group that started out in Meves to boot and the lack of any substance to this event points to very poor forethought and planning into the event (really... what was the point?) In short there seemed to be: 1 - no real dev support for the event 2 - did not enhance my game experience or my connection to the EVE lore 3 - if it was meant as an introductory for High Sec dwellers to come to play in null more, this may have had the opposite effect. 4 - poorly planned 5 - insubstantial Events should be big deals... story line engaging. This was... anything but.
This all of course depends on your opportunities. I for example was logged in Luminere waiting on the event to start. Suddenly the server did an "emergency restart" I try to log back in and get force moved because the system was capped. In many respects the high sec titan going down for me was a worse event than this was. Some got to do it and wasnt able to do THIS live event...well join the fecking club lol |

DDymus
MadBot Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:22:00 -
[673] - Quote
so in the end it turns out that we were not ducks in the shooting range, nor the shooters, we are were just UNPAID clowns for the CCP evening party. anyone else feels used? |

SpaceSaft
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:27:00 -
[674] - Quote
Nico Sertan wrote: P.S.: This whole "event" situation is even worst then Mass Effects ending, and that was EA bad :(
Now you're giving CCP too much credit. Mass Effect had a great story up to the ending. Ok well maybe not great but it was good. |

B3AST
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:33:00 -
[675] - Quote
The PitBoss wrote:Subject says it all. Quote:Empire Navies put out call for capsuleer Assisantce 10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime) 10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal) Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention No real communication from gm/event host Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event ONLY to include those people in the end. I want that hour of my life refunded to me  Good Job CCP ... NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in PS: Please point me in the direction of this post to remind me why I shouldnt bother in another live event ...
I dunno why they didnt just create a worm hole to someplace deep in null sec and try to fly the group out and see if us glorious null sec dwellers could muster a defence. Would be really funny seeing 2k **** pilots in **** ships trying to reinforce a pos or station etc.
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Anomaly One
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:51:00 -
[676] - Quote
DDymus wrote:so in the end it turns out that we were not ducks in the shooting range, nor the shooters, we are were just UNPAID clowns for the CCP evening party. anyone else feels used?
I do, already unsubbed, not just because of the event but because of the blatant lies and that linked pic made it worse, I'd rather play WOW than pay another cent to be some clown for a company, the shitpoasting continues though since I have a lot of time on my subscription.. |

Ravan Hekki
Blue-Fire
45
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:06:00 -
[677] - Quote
Yep it sucked. The reasons i however are:
Meet up in x and do a 17 jumps all in 10% tidi except for the 4 low-sec systems. Lets be honest their is a reason people don't move fleets that size in null and low sec and use jump bridges/titans. It's because you can't do it. The Gates cant handle that much traffic. The development tools must allow you to 'titan bridge' a bunch of ships right? Personally i really didn't get the logic in that long travel time.
No hi sec coherence. there was never going to be lets be honest, fish in a barrel was what was going to happen. The thing is i remember Tama being a lot more fun and PL cap dropped that! The problem is you had a large fleet jumping into another fleet, guess what happens when the other fleet actually had some sort of organisation ;) Salvage. Dear CCP you had to know it would go down that way. I mean really you thought that their wouldn't be a significant null PVP presence? Also broadcasting in local orders is not clever.
Also dear Hisec, what did you think would happen? Flying a bunch of kitchen sink fleets to null? Yes you were going to get blown to pieces. Don't complain about that, but you are well within your rights to complain about poor planning and tidi travel.
CCP logistics (and i don't mean reps) is pretty much the way forward here. You really need to think about how you do things. No ones going to complain if you bridge hi-sec pilots in as long as everyone gets fights and has fun, which is what this is all about. 17 jumps in 10% tidi not fun. Flying head first into a gate camp not fun.
getting shot at and shooting back fun. The thing is all the null and low entities shooting at each other before tha hi sec fleets turned up had fun, because it was fun.
Anyway my two cents |

Sylfamas
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:14:00 -
[678] - Quote
I agree with the OP, this was a poorly planned event. We were with the fleet up and ready in the system of departure at 18:50 when the instructions came in.
Apparently the GM (or whoever was giving out the instructions) was using a real-life watch when saying "Departing in 10 minutes from checkpoint 2" when we were stuck in 10% Tidi. As such we were always behind when the call went out to move on to the next destination. In conclusion, we spent almost all the time in 10% Tidi only to find out (2 jumps before reaching the event system) that the event was OVER. All for nothing.
Also, I think the event itself was extremely short in duration, completely inadequate for the thousands of people en-route (there were 1000+ still en-route to the event when the event finished), and definetely not the epic battle we were hoping for (and as it should have been for a CCP-organised event).
Also there were rumors coming in as to the staging system, so I guess some of the organizers at CCP told some people in advance.
As this would be the first CCP-organized even i'm participating in, it made a poor impression. I won't be so eager to make myself available for the next one (although I guess they deserve a second chance) |

Amann Nig'ra
Exanimo Inc Insidious Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:40:00 -
[679] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.
if Highsec did organize and come after our territories in null and try to burn it, we would rejoice. Unlike wormholers or null pvpers that actually know what they are doing, highsec people will 99% of the time fly kitchen sink. My ratting ships would molest kitchen sink. We fly doctrine ships because we are organized and able to fight. Organization wins every time against superior numbers. You might also notice that wormhole pvpers and nullsec roamers do not hang around in one location, because the defending alliance will always form up a superior fleet to take on the enemy. It's why it's more akin to a hit and run raid rather than a take and hold action.
You think that highsec could take on nullsec in our backyard? Nullsec would slaughter you like lambs. Just like they did in Doril. And the numbers present in Doril weren't even a fraction of the CFC. They fielded 2600 pilots during TEST's last stand. N3 fields similar numbers and I know Stainwagon can form a thousand in their time zone.
Even if every single highsec player in the event fleet was on the gate and jumped through to fight the 300-400 man CFC blob on the gate, which was something like 2000 people....you would have still been slaughtered like cattle. If you wanted to stand a chance, you need proper fleet commanders, a united doctrine so the fleet effectiveness is kept intact, and an idea of what the hell you are doing. (Hint: Don't fly shield doctrine ships in an armor fleet.)
Armies fight not as individuals, but as a unit. It's why the Roman Legions used to cry "AS ONE!" when they went into a battle.
I can imagine the frustration that comes with the TiDi, and it's never fun. It also sounds like a gigantic mess that no one knew what to do. But you made the choice to fly into nullsec, and its dangerous to live out here. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
171
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:16:00 -
[680] - Quote
Amann Nig'ra wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. if Highsec did organize and come after our territories in null and try to burn it, we would rejoice. Unlike wormholers or null pvpers that actually know what they are doing, highsec people will 99% of the time fly kitchen sink. My ratting ships would molest kitchen sink. We fly doctrine ships because we are organized and able to fight. Organization wins every time against superior numbers. You might also notice that wormhole pvpers and nullsec roamers do not hang around in one location, because the defending alliance will always form up a superior fleet to take on the enemy. It's why it's more akin to a hit and run raid rather than a take and hold action. You think that highsec could take on nullsec in our backyard? Nullsec would slaughter you like lambs. Just like they did in Doril. And the numbers present in Doril weren't even a fraction of the CFC. They fielded 2600 pilots during TEST's last stand. N3 fields similar numbers and I know Stainwagon can form a thousand in their time zone. Even if every single highsec player in the event fleet was on the gate and jumped through to fight the 300-400 man CFC blob on the gate, which was something like 2000 people....you would have still been slaughtered like cattle. If you wanted to stand a chance, you need proper fleet commanders, a united doctrine so the fleet effectiveness is kept intact, and an idea of what the hell you are doing. (Hint: Don't fly shield doctrine ships in an armor fleet.) Armies fight not as individuals, but as a unit. It's why the Roman Legions used to cry "AS ONE!" when they went into a battle. I can imagine the frustration that comes with the TiDi, and it's never fun. It also sounds like a gigantic mess that no one knew what to do. But you made the choice to fly into nullsec, and its dangerous to live out here.
You are completely correct.
I saw industrials, shuttles, and noob frigates. There was no possible way to organise that into a coherent fighting force.
There was no understanding that the event was intended to be one of NUllsec army kills school day trip.
People expected to see lore being written, being there and seeing this cool stuff, as the point of this, and then probably get blown up on the way home. We thought CCP had arranged a surprise, Boy did they.
We did not know where we would end up and besides most did not make it past TiDi. We did think that there was some point to this. We did not expect to be sacrificed before we got there as entertainment for their Party.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2445
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:22:00 -
[681] - Quote
Amann Nig'ra wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. if Highsec did organize and come after our territories in null and try to burn it, we would rejoice. Unlike wormholers or null pvpers that actually know what they are doing, highsec people will 99% of the time fly kitchen sink. My ratting ships would molest kitchen sink. We fly doctrine ships because we are organized and able to fight. Organization wins every time against superior numbers. You might also notice that wormhole pvpers and nullsec roamers do not hang around in one location, because the defending alliance will always form up a superior fleet to take on the enemy. It's why it's more akin to a hit and run raid rather than a take and hold action. You think that highsec could take on nullsec in our backyard? Nullsec would slaughter you like lambs. Just like they did in Doril. And the numbers present in Doril weren't even a fraction of the CFC. They fielded 2600 pilots during TEST's last stand. N3 fields similar numbers and I know Stainwagon can form a thousand in their time zone. Even if every single highsec player in the event fleet was on the gate and jumped through to fight the 300-400 man CFC blob on the gate, which was something like 2000 people....you would have still been slaughtered like cattle. If you wanted to stand a chance, you need proper fleet commanders, a united doctrine so the fleet effectiveness is kept intact, and an idea of what the hell you are doing. (Hint: Don't fly shield doctrine ships in an armor fleet.) Armies fight not as individuals, but as a unit. It's why the Roman Legions used to cry "AS ONE!" when they went into a battle. I can imagine the frustration that comes with the TiDi, and it's never fun. It also sounds like a gigantic mess that no one knew what to do. But you made the choice to fly into nullsec, and its dangerous to live out here.
We would just bring CONCORD with us. And first we would disable your personal signatures from the mind transfer service, so you would die if you were podded on your main clone, or would lose every skillpoint since the last jump if you were podded on a JC.
Then we would just exterminate you or force you to stay behind your station walls until you surrendered.
The danger of Rome was not the Roman populace. it was their legions, my little Pontian, and they are 99.99% omniresists fearsome. So pray to your CCP barbarian gods, that they never ever give us control over what is ours.  |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
641
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:41:00 -
[682] - Quote
I am Helicity Boson, and I approve of this deluge of tears from the painfully inept highsec masses. |

Amann Nig'ra
Exanimo Inc Insidious Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:43:00 -
[683] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Amann Nig'ra wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. if Highsec did organize and come after our territories in null and try to burn it, we would rejoice. Unlike wormholers or null pvpers that actually know what they are doing, highsec people will 99% of the time fly kitchen sink. My ratting ships would molest kitchen sink. We fly doctrine ships because we are organized and able to fight. Organization wins every time against superior numbers. You might also notice that wormhole pvpers and nullsec roamers do not hang around in one location, because the defending alliance will always form up a superior fleet to take on the enemy. It's why it's more akin to a hit and run raid rather than a take and hold action. You think that highsec could take on nullsec in our backyard? Nullsec would slaughter you like lambs. Just like they did in Doril. And the numbers present in Doril weren't even a fraction of the CFC. They fielded 2600 pilots during TEST's last stand. N3 fields similar numbers and I know Stainwagon can form a thousand in their time zone. Even if every single highsec player in the event fleet was on the gate and jumped through to fight the 300-400 man CFC blob on the gate, which was something like 2000 people....you would have still been slaughtered like cattle. If you wanted to stand a chance, you need proper fleet commanders, a united doctrine so the fleet effectiveness is kept intact, and an idea of what the hell you are doing. (Hint: Don't fly shield doctrine ships in an armor fleet.) Armies fight not as individuals, but as a unit. It's why the Roman Legions used to cry "AS ONE!" when they went into a battle. I can imagine the frustration that comes with the TiDi, and it's never fun. It also sounds like a gigantic mess that no one knew what to do. But you made the choice to fly into nullsec, and its dangerous to live out here. We would just bring CONCORD with us. And first we would disable your personal signatures from the mind transfer service, so you would die if you were podded on your main clone, or would lose every skillpoint since the last jump if you were podded on a JC. Then we would just exterminate you or force you to stay behind your station walls until you surrendered. The danger of Rome was not the Roman populace. it was their legions, my little Pontian, and they are 99.99% omniresists fearsome. So pray to your CCP barbarian gods, that they never ever give us control over what is ours. 
Oh you dare jest so, my little barbarian. Back to your highsec cave. Begone! Or we shall burn Jita or something. We will clog your guns with our wrecks, and then when we lose our sov, we shall live in NPC null and gank in highsec for all eternity.
We shall bring our tinfoil hats, and proclaim to our brothers in the CSM and CCP to save us from the evil CONCORD. Instead of a protest CCP day, let's hold a protest CONCORD day! |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
246
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:44:00 -
[684] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.
You can do precisely nothing, but we will eagerly await attempts to try. Disorganized kitchensink fleets are easy to mow down, as it was shown.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The danger of Rome was not the Roman populace. it was their legions, my little Pontian, and they are 99.99% omniresists fearsome. So pray to your CCP barbarian gods, that they never ever give us control over what is ours.
Such entitlement... no, it's not yours. As this event showed, victory isn't achieved by merely showing up and riding the wings of CONCORD to victory. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
171
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 13:49:00 -
[685] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Tyler Nietzsche wrote:I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there. You can do precisely nothing, but we will eagerly await attempts to try. Disorganized kitchensink fleets are easy to mow down, as it was shown. Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The danger of Rome was not the Roman populace. it was their legions, my little Pontian, and they are 99.99% omniresists fearsome. So pray to your CCP barbarian gods, that they never ever give us control over what is ours. Such entitlement... no, it's not yours. As this event showed, victory isn't achieved by merely showing up and riding the wings of CONCORD to victory.
Apart from the usual suspects, does anyone not really believe that it was -how shall i put it nicely- a little unbalanced? |

ChYph3r
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
110
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 13:56:00 -
[686] - Quote
Really ISD and CCP 35 pages of Empire Tears and this thread isn't locked yet? Itsgetting really redundant.... |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
173
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:00:00 -
[687] - Quote
ChYph3r wrote:Really ISD and CCP 35 pages of Empire Tears and this thread isn't locked yet? Itsgetting really redundant....
Just for balance, How would you feel about no communications, being dropped into a high level incursion in groups of 3 where you didn't know the other 2 and had a FC who was trying his hardest to get you killed ? And it took you over an hour of TiDi hell to get there?
|

Halaxi
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
27
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:00:00 -
[688] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:[ Apart from the usual suspects, does anyone not really believe that it was -how shall i put it nicely- a little unbalanced? 
Well, if the 'Empire' fleets were able to zerg it into the systems at the same sort of time, and were led by players willing to at least say 'go here, shoot that', then it might have been a little different. As it stands, due to the much-repeated issues, the zerg was more of a trickle of lemmings. So yeah, a tad weighted towards the 'shoot all the things' fleets.
Hal. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1447
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:10:00 -
[689] - Quote
Well folks, I reduced my subscriptions to this one account well over a year ago based on CCP actions, and have not re-subbed (not totally true: I resubbed the account for one month to get the dessie V / BC V skills, then shut it down again, in case CCP ever gets it head out of its ass)
I would suggest that perhaps EVERYONE, who is on month to month subs, reduce themselves to one account, or at least unsub one account, for a period of one month. And if asked by CCP , give the specific reason.
That is the only way CCP will really listen to any demands. Presently, they are happily skyping and texting with their null sec buddies giggling like school girls over what they "accomplished" together. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
173
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:12:00 -
[690] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Well folks, I reduced my subscriptions to this one account well over a year ago based on CCP actions, and have not re-subbed (not totally true: I resubbed the account for one month to get the dessie V / BC V skills, then shut it down again, in case CCP ever gets it head out of its ass)
I would suggest that perhaps EVERYONE, who is on month to month subs, reduce themselves to one account, or at least unsub one account, for a period of one month. And if asked by CCP , give the specific reason.
That is the only way CCP will really listen to any demands. Presently, they are happily skyping and texting with their null sec buddies giggling like school girls over what they "accomplished" together. I was preparing to resub my other account prior to Rubicon
Not now |
|

Deunan Tenephais
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:13:00 -
[691] - Quote
The problem is not that players will now think that CONCORD, or the Gallente Fed, or any other ingame faction is unreliable. These players will (alas rightly so) think that CCP is unreliable, but CCP is supposed to be managing the game itself. It does not foster confidence in EVE... |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
246
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:18:00 -
[692] - Quote
From what I've gathered in this thread, it seems a lot of people expected a rigged event in safe space where they hold back red crosses and achieve the objective easily.
It didn't happen.
It seems a lot of "I know there's danger out there but it doesn't affect me" bubbles were shattered in this event. |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
151
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:19:00 -
[693] - Quote
From what I have gathered in these threads is that majority of nullsec posters are functionally illiterate. |

Anomaly One
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:26:00 -
[694] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Well folks, I reduced my subscriptions to this one account well over a year ago based on CCP actions, and have not re-subbed (not totally true: I resubbed the account for one month to get the dessie V / BC V skills, then shut it down again, in case CCP ever gets it head out of its ass)
I would suggest that perhaps EVERYONE, who is on month to month subs, reduce themselves to one account, or at least unsub one account, for a period of one month. And if asked by CCP , give the specific reason.
That is the only way CCP will really listen to any demands. Presently, they are happily skyping and texting with their null sec buddies giggling like school girls over what they "accomplished" together.
I was going to put a reason in the unsub form but what's the point they don't care, well at least now I can truly tell anyone who wants to try eve how bad this game is.
By far the eve community is the most rotten to the core, every.. single.. thread.. you get masses of idiots repeating the same thing like braindead dmged robots "tears, delicious, can I have your stuff" I have never seen such **** behavior and to think these are the "elite" of the eve world, our mistake is thinking CCP is an actual respectable gaming company, they're not, you should imagine them like a bunch of sheep herders who made a game and don't care about it as long as them and their buddies keep playing it, no wonder no one has heard of CCP they are utter ****.
And look they still keep posting the same ****.. I can not believe how illiterate they are, we are here arguing how disrespectful what the company did and the trust is broken and they are still bantering on the same thing, it's ******* unbelievable. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
173
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:30:00 -
[695] - Quote
Well now they have CCPd Hisec and had a lovely party, Christmas is coming, Or possibly the Post rubicon Party.
Imagine the hilarity when they hotdrop sleepers and Sansha's incursions on Null and forcibly eject everyone from station and camp the gates to safety?
Logoff and jump bridges disabled ...Seems fair.

Forget fanfest, I'd go to Iceland for THAT party. |

Klyn
Mad Tea Inc.
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:32:00 -
[696] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:From what I've gathered in this thread, it seems a lot of people expected a rigged event in safe space where they hold back red crosses and achieve the objective easily.. You gathered wrong. And if you read this thread, you know what the problem is. Ten years in the business and then this as the big lore building event? Pretty embarrassing for CCP... |

Peter Grayson
Vice Legion
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:34:00 -
[697] - Quote
I believe this event/trap (i didn't participate to) was just simply a pre-patch gift made by CCP to goons. that's allGǪ  |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
173
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:35:00 -
[698] - Quote
Peter Grayson wrote:I believe this event/trap (i didn't participate to) was just simply a pre-patch gift made by CCP to goons. that's allGǪ 
Can we have a gift too? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3852083#post3852083
 |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
236
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:37:00 -
[699] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:ChYph3r wrote:Really ISD and CCP 35 pages of Empire Tears and this thread isn't locked yet? Itsgetting really redundant.... Just for balance, How would you feel about no communications, being dropped into a high level incursion in groups of 3 where you didn't know the other 2 and had a FC who was trying his hardest to get you killed ? And it took you over an hour of TiDi hell to get there?
Id get over it, and learn from it. Besides you werent DROPPED into anything, you chose to go. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
173
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:38:00 -
[700] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:ChYph3r wrote:Really ISD and CCP 35 pages of Empire Tears and this thread isn't locked yet? Itsgetting really redundant.... Just for balance, How would you feel about no communications, being dropped into a high level incursion in groups of 3 where you didn't know the other 2 and had a FC who was trying his hardest to get you killed ? And it took you over an hour of TiDi hell to get there? Id get over it, and learn from it. Besides you werent DROPPED into anything, you chose to go.
Oh pray tell mighty warrior,What would you learn from that lesson. |
|

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
174
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:41:00 -
[701] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:ChYph3r wrote:Really ISD and CCP 35 pages of Empire Tears and this thread isn't locked yet? Itsgetting really redundant.... Just for balance, How would you feel about no communications, being dropped into a high level incursion in groups of 3 where you didn't know the other 2 and had a FC who was trying his hardest to get you killed ? And it took you over an hour of TiDi hell to get there? Id get over it, and learn from it. Besides you werent DROPPED into anything, you chose to go.
Oh pray tell might warrior,What would you learn from that lesson.
Bear in mind that CCP have shown they find awoxing their own player base fun. Feel safe now? Wonder what they will do to you? Here's a thought. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3852083#post3852083
Edit:- round and round we go.
Trying to talk sense to these people is like having a piece of paper with please Turn over on both sides. |

Edie Riggs
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:48:00 -
[702] - Quote
Dear High Sec Newbs You play a game like Eve, and do not expect fuckery to happen? You wander into null sec, and expect no one to come for you? Particularly when surrounded by CFC space? What did you think would happen? PONIES AND RAINBOWS? You guys need to come to understand the true sandboxie nature of Eve online. You need to understand that no where in new eden is safe, and there will always be IMMENENT FUCKERY around every corner.
For now, I have a special message for you from our CCP overlords:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Enjoy |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
174
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:53:00 -
[703] - Quote
Edie Riggs wrote:Dear High Sec Newbs You play a game like Eve, and do not expect fuckery to happen? You wander into null sec, and expect no one to come for you? Particularly when surrounded by CFC space? What did you think would happen? PONIES AND RAINBOWS? You guys need to come to understand the true sandboxie nature of Eve online. You need to understand that no where in new eden is safe, and there will always be IMMENENT FUCKERY around every corner. For now, I have a special message for you from our CCP overlords: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1QEnjoy
'Fuckery' as you so elegantly put it is expected from lowlifes and scum.
It is not expected from a professional Game company that we pay real money to. You do not expect them to put razor blades in the sandbox.
Being awoxed for Giggles by a real world business is beyond contempt. |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
113
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 14:58:00 -
[704] - Quote
Quote:
Again I iterate this website is not in-game and we rely very heavily on it for information, how is a eve account on twitter any differently? Yes twitter is not an eve specific themed website, BUT the twitter account for eve IS and thus a reliable source of game information. We relied heavily on it when eve went under the DDoS attack for updates, I never heard any complaints then. I must therefore assume you only complain when you do not gain from it. Which in my point of view demeans the quality of your complaints and concerns. Both of the aforementioned quotes are failed arguments, twitter is indeed a source of in-game information just as this website is...the fact that you do not like the website as a means of disseminating information is irrelevant.
No one was trying to organise 1000+ players in 2 locations during an high intensity in game event during the ddos saga. It was 100% impossible to issue in game news of the problem for obvious reasons.
What exactly would hinder the distribution of in game news, ingame, during a live event and/or its lead up?
ultimately it means nothing as i was in bed asleep but i cant really justify sitting back watching some ppl argue that the eve online twitter account is a highly accessable and obvious source ofr accurate uptodate and flowing live event intell/organisation.
I mean.. what is the eve online twitter account, i dont even know. How many of these forum ppl could honestly accurately say exactly what it is right here, right now? like 2% and how many eve players dont even use the forums? twitter for live event control/organising.. thats a farce |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
246
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 15:23:00 -
[705] - Quote
Commands as to where to move were also issued in fleet chat. People just didn't know they should shut up and read, not spam over it. Their fault.
Being a cold, harsh universe - EVE is essentially a sandbox with rusty razors and an odd mine here or there. So out of curiosity, what did people expect from walking into null security space waving an empire flag? Hugs and kisses?
What did people expect from the event anyway, attack on important sites in hisec space and shooting red crosses, then calling it a win? |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
151
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 15:24:00 -
[706] - Quote
My second subscription has now been cancelled. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
175
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 15:27:00 -
[707] - Quote
Funny there was no TiDi on the paypal unsubscription page.
I will now use my isk until gone or something changes with the toxic nature of this game company |

Dacada
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 15:38:00 -
[708] - Quote
I for one was smart enough to realize what a cluster this was going to be 4 jumps from meves.
I for one knew what would happen, but it just seems that most(and even I feel to a certain degree) that CCP screwed over the high sec player base. I've been to plenty of null, but the sacrificial lamb thing here is wrong, and CCP does need to address it.
BTW highseccers, if you want a form of revenge, don't fleet up and take on the 0.0 organized blocks.
Make a character that has cov ops skills. Fly it deep into 0.0 as best you can. Move around, go to systems with a few people, log off, log on, make their miners log off, and them have to hunt you down. Keep moving. That way you will learn skills to move and live in 0.0, and occasionally have a little fun.
From experience, that was the one thing I did hate the most. Now imagine 3-400 new cov ops pilots doing that. 
CCP, apologize now. From one of your older(and wiser) characters. |

Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:01:00 -
[709] - Quote
I for one made it past the 3 gate camps, and actually made it to the target. I was insta-popped not by organized capsuleers but NPC actors. I lost my ship to OP PVE... After surviving the gauntlet to be let down by cheap NPCs has nothing to do with null sec, or anything other than the poor execution of CCP in this "Live Event". So hence for I am no longer interested in wasting my time for something I can do in much less time running an incursion HQ site in a rookie ship. Yes I had fun actually surviving the gankfest in Doril and the following systems but in the end much disappointment. WTF I didnt even get killed by a real person so I cannot even have my tears collected for F***s sake.
I have done everything this game has to offer null, WH, Missions, mining, exploration, so Live events not worth the effort or time. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:03:00 -
[710] - Quote
Big thanks goes out to the guys bringing Vindicators to 8V- Thanks for a funn fight atleast for us to bad so many did not feal the same  |
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Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:11:00 -
[711] - Quote
Edie Riggs wrote:Dear High Sec Newbs You play a game like Eve, and do not expect fuckery to happen? You wander into null sec, and expect no one to come for you? Particularly when surrounded by CFC space? What did you think would happen? PONIES AND RAINBOWS? You guys need to come to understand the true sandboxie nature of Eve online. You need to understand that no where in new eden is safe, and there will always be IMMENENT FUCKERY around every corner. For now, I have a special message for you from our CCP overlords: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1QEnjoy
This post shares all the other null sec pilots who post the same garbage... Ignorance.
There is nothing in any of the "Whining" about how "boohoo null sec pilots ruined my life by being organized and killed all the pilots uneducated enough to hold their cloak at the gate until their whole fleet finished entering system." The major issue with this live event is that there was some major issues with communication from CCP and major issues with organization from CCP, so save your incompetence for other forum boards where people are actually crying you managed to kill their one ship with your 100 man blob. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
236
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:13:00 -
[712] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:ChYph3r wrote:Really ISD and CCP 35 pages of Empire Tears and this thread isn't locked yet? Itsgetting really redundant.... Just for balance, How would you feel about no communications, being dropped into a high level incursion in groups of 3 where you didn't know the other 2 and had a FC who was trying his hardest to get you killed ? And it took you over an hour of TiDi hell to get there? Id get over it, and learn from it. Besides you werent DROPPED into anything, you chose to go. Oh pray tell might warrior,What would you learn from that lesson. Bear in mind that CCP have shown they find awoxing their own player base fun. Feel safe now? Wonder what they will do to you? Here's a thought. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3852083#post3852083Edit:- round and round we go. Trying to talk sense to these people is like having a piece of paper with please Turn over on both sides.
What lesson would I learn? How about not going next time, they didnt put a gun to your head and say jump into null sec...you made the choice, so live with it or dont.
Aramatheia wrote: No one was trying to organise 1000+ players in 2 locations during an high intensity in game event during the ddos saga. It was 100% impossible to issue in game news of the problem for obvious reasons.
What exactly would hinder the distribution of in game news, ingame, during a live event and/or its lead up?
ultimately it means nothing as i was in bed asleep but i cant really justify sitting back watching some ppl argue that the eve online twitter account is a highly accessable and obvious source ofr accurate uptodate and flowing live event intell/organisation.
I mean.. what is the eve online twitter account, i dont even know. How many of these forum ppl could honestly accurately say exactly what it is right here, right now? like 2% and how many eve players dont even use the forums? twitter for live event control/organising.. thats a farce
You still fail to see the point of putting it on twitter dont you? If CCP gave the information out through a means of something like twitter which by your own accounts is a source for few eve players to use. The flow of information then becomes delayed. Let me put it in a way you can understand.
If you are in a room full of 100 people and the only way out is one doorway, on the other side of that door is say tons of money free. The person who planted it tells one person and instructs them to tell another and another...slowly people trickle toward the exit. However, if you stand up in the middle of the room and scream free money in the hall outside the door...100 people will try to force their way through one doorway.
Just the same, if CCP had sent the message ingame in Sarum local to move to ihal...1200 people would all be moving at the same ******* time triggering tidi in every system they went through for 23 jumps. However, by releasing it to twitter and a small group of viewers, it allowed some to trickle out, once enroute, they forward the message to another group and so on and so forth. Only it didnt work as intended because a bunch of idiots decided to post in sarum local AND the events channel the twitter link and the message...at which point what remaining people decided to ALL move at once. Guess what happened? ******* TiDi for 23 jumps. Disclosing of information to move a mass of people needs to be slowly distributed, posting it on twitter was supposed to do that. Had no one said it in every ******* channel it would have worked too. Alas the human notion is to spread rumors as we hear them. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:16:00 -
[713] - Quote
I would just like to be the first to thank CCP for this change to experience the lesser spotted "Threadnaught tear posting epidemic", and for the awesome fun in 8V-SJJ that created it. I would like to complain that I was not give free popcorn :D |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
246
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:18:00 -
[714] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:I would just like to be the first to thank CCP for this chance to experience the lesser spotted "Threadnaught tear posting epidemic", and for the awesome fun in 8V-SJJ that created it. I would like to complain that I was not give free popcorn :D
HTFU AND MAKE YOUR OWN!
I'm starting to side with the hisec side of things really, if more of them made it to 8V- we'd have more to shoot. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1529
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:20:00 -
[715] - Quote
Edie Riggs wrote:Dear High Sec Newbs You play a game like Eve, and do not expect fuckery to happen? You wander into null sec, and expect no one to come for you? Particularly when surrounded by CFC space? What did you think would happen? PONIES AND RAINBOWS? You guys need to come to understand the true sandboxie nature of Eve online. You need to understand that no where in new eden is safe, and there will always be IMMENENT FUCKERY around every corner. For now, I have a special message for you from our CCP overlords: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1QEnjoy
Such crude language from one so young.
Your mom will be most displeased with you if she reads your post.
It bears repeating that folk are not complaining about being ganked, but about the incompetence of CCP at leading a 'live' i.e, 'dead' event. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1529
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:23:00 -
[716] - Quote
Dear Octoven, do you work for Twitter?
It's just that you seem to have a thing about it. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:24:00 -
[717] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Edie Riggs wrote:Dear High Sec Newbs You play a game like Eve, and do not expect fuckery to happen? You wander into null sec, and expect no one to come for you? Particularly when surrounded by CFC space? What did you think would happen? PONIES AND RAINBOWS? You guys need to come to understand the true sandboxie nature of Eve online. You need to understand that no where in new eden is safe, and there will always be IMMENENT FUCKERY around every corner. For now, I have a special message for you from our CCP overlords: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1QEnjoy Such crude language from one so young. Your mom will be most displeased with you if she reads your post. It bears repeating that folk are not complaining about being ganked, but about the incompetence of CCP at leading a 'live' i.e, 'dead' event.
:popcorn: |

Mr Digs
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
12
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:25:00 -
[718] - Quote
So much tears.
By the way I made a movie of all your welp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq5D6TXjfuM |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
246
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:26:00 -
[719] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:I for one made it past the 3 gate camps, and actually made it to the target. I was insta-popped not by organized capsuleers but NPC actors. I lost my ship to OP PVE... After surviving the gauntlet to be let down by cheap NPCs has nothing to do with null sec, or anything other than the poor execution of CCP in this "Live Event". So hence forth I am no longer interested in wasting my time for something I can do in much less time running an incursion HQ site in a rookie ship. Yes I had fun actually surviving the gankfest in Doril and the following systems but in the end much disappointment. WTF I didnt even get killed by a real person  so I cannot even have my tears collected for F***s sake. I have done everything this game has to offer null, WH, Missions, mining, exploration, so Live events not worth the effort or time.
Those weren't NPCs, those were actual characters made by CCP and with someone controlling them. On 8V- side they were also flying vindicators, and FYI a vindi up close hurts like being hit by a truck.
A truck speeding on a highway, with nitro on.
I think the other side faced Machs, which aren't really that much of an improvement when it comes to being on the receiving end. And those things weren't even faction fit :)
(Was shot at by the Vindi side of business, survived because our logis were absolutely boss that night.) |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:28:00 -
[720] - Quote
Would like to mention single ASB Vindicators with nano's at close range :) |
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Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
20
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:36:00 -
[721] - Quote
Basic summary of this thread:
Post One: No-one cares about dieing - but this event sux big time as after two hours of TIDI the event finished before we even got into null.
Reply to Post One: haha we are awesome stop complaining about dieing. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
236
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:40:00 -
[722] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Octoven, do you work for Twitter?
It's just that you seem to have a thing about it.
I actually don't even have a twitter account lol I just understand why they posted on it and some don't. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:42:00 -
[723] - Quote
Can anyone from the pissed off point of view please post what they did expect to happen in nullsec ? no bullshit just want to know |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1447
|
Posted - 2013.11.09 16:42:00 -
[724] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Eisenhornx wrote:I for one made it past the 3 gate camps, and actually made it to the target. I was insta-popped not by organized capsuleers but NPC actors. I lost my ship to OP PVE... After surviving the gauntlet to be let down by cheap NPCs has nothing to do with null sec, or anything other than the poor execution of CCP in this "Live Event". So hence forth I am no longer interested in wasting my time for something I can do in much less time running an incursion HQ site in a rookie ship. Yes I had fun actually surviving the gankfest in Doril and the following systems but in the end much disappointment. WTF I didnt even get killed by a real person  so I cannot even have my tears collected for F***s sake. I have done everything this game has to offer null, WH, Missions, mining, exploration, so Live events not worth the effort or time. Those weren't NPCs, those were actual characters made by CCP and with someone controlling them. On 8V- side they were also flying vindicators, and FYI a vindi up close hurts like being hit by a truck. A truck speeding on a highway, with nitro on. I think the other side faced Machs, which aren't really that much of an improvement when it comes to being on the receiving end. And those things weren't even faction fit :) (Was shot at by the Vindi side of business, survived because our logis were absolutely boss that night.)
So basically, while CCP fleet leaders were abandoning players in Doril, a bunch more CCP employee were actually manning Vindicator's fighting for fun in the actual systems where the events were taking place......
Just wanted to confirm that. |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:48:00 -
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LOL, this forum thread reminds me of the song by Three Days Grace - "I Hate Everything About You" |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:54:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So basically, while CCP fleet leaders were abandoning players in Doril, a bunch more CCP employee were actually manning Vindicator's fighting for fun in the actual systems where the events were taking place......
Just wanted to confirm that.
Fleet leaders were also "having fun" in 8V- in Syndicate, if by "fun" you mean "being primary and getting podded off the field in the opening minutes".
Oh and we killed CCP Vindicators too ;)
(Cheapskate CCP, tsk tsk... not even Shadow webs or magstabs! But I liked their approach of nano-shield pure gank vindis, those things were built to hurt.)
I think a lot of people were expecting CCP to hold their hand and guide them safely through nullsec into themeparky event land :) |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:18:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Just the same, if CCP had sent the message ingame in Sarum local to move to ihal...1200 people would all be moving at the same ******* time triggering tidi in every system they went through for 23 jumps. However, by releasing it to twitter and a small group of viewers, it allowed some to trickle out, once enroute, they forward the message to another group and so on and so forth. Only it didnt work as intended because a bunch of idiots decided to post in sarum local AND the events channel the twitter link and the message...at which point what remaining people decided to ALL move at once. Guess what happened? ******* TiDi for 23 jumps. Disclosing of information to move a mass of people needs to be slowly distributed, posting it on twitter was supposed to do that. Had no one said it in every ******* channel it would have worked too. Alas the human notion is to spread rumors as we hear them.
Ah i Got it, we should've trickled, but we moved all together. Only we didn't - I never was in a system over 130 people except meves and stacmon. But if we didn't go together and we trickled, CCP devious plan was succesfful! we had no tidi! Nah, we had tidi. With 130 people in local. And when we finally came to the funnel, the losec and nullsec people where there - because they did not have to travel 23 jumps.
They knew where we would go; they knew the exact time. They are organized by definition. So they mounted a fleet and bridged or cynoed there from staging, bubbled to their heart content, and got bored for about one hour till the first of us actually "trickled" there. How long does it take a RAZOR fleet to jump to a known system near staging once you know in advance there's gonna be an op? Once the fleet is formed, I'd be surprised if it took more than 15 minutes. Let's say half an hour. You still have another 10-15 minutes to get bored before a fleet of 200 can slowboat 23 jumps to there - especially if the last 8 jumps are in hostile territory.
So even without TIDI, we would've been thrown to a meatgrinder. Even without tidi, "trickling" people would just make then obvious targets. With TIDI, kitchen sink fleets, and trickling.... I don't have to say it - you've seen it.
So, simply put, I do not believe that you actually say this things and believe them. You're obviously playing oblivious on purpose. TO not figure this out before... it's bad enough. To claim you didn't after it's been explained so long is unwillingness to argument. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:24:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:Can anyone from the pissed off point of view please post what they did expect to happen in nullsec ? no bullshit just want to know
You're missing the point. In nullsec, we expected to die. To fight and die, actually, at a live event target system.
We expected also to actually get there. Of course, once you've jump-cloned, grabbed the cheap ship, flown to a freaking system, got into a fleet and waited half an hour... you're not going home. You know it's gonne be a big **** up but the evening is gone, you might as well have some fun. See the pretty sight before or while razor or whomever pods you.
What I personally did not expect was to travel 10 hisec systems to get to the real staging point, which was 2 systems out from where I started when flying to meves. What I did not expect was not to have any information from CCP - I was in meves at 18.33 - never saw ONE line from CCP representative. Only people spreading rumors and an endless chat spam. |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:28:00 -
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You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?
It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation. |

mining runner
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:28:00 -
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Id like to thanks CCP for an awesome and very educational (for some) event.
After reading about the High sec event a few days earlier, i moved an alt account to sarum prime in order to join in the fun, but i awoke on the day to read about our fleet also heading into the fray. I decided to attend both ends of the event just to compare.
Now i managed to move both my main through null sec with the EXE fleet AND an alt in high sec, and arrived at the destination with both char. Yes, there was TIDI, yes there was spam and orders from CCP were hard to find amongst that spam. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Chat bars also scroll up you know? you can also open multiple at once, giving you more chance of catching the orders. You could also ask your fellow players ?
This is EVE online, or are you forgetting that. Your anger at CCP if misdirected, they just provide the sandbox, its the players that don't fully understand the space they live in causing the problems. Try forming a leadership structure, try working together. Be more organized in "highsec" as an entity rather than an area to endlessly run LVL4's or incursions in relative safety. Hell, your gonna have to soon to defend POCO's, because if you don't, null sec alliance's will own them all.
We have multiple 250 man fleets, full of TIDI, full of spam, fighting on a regular basis. The way around this is being organized and following orders. Not complaining on the forums.
I had great fun, will see you guys at the next event.
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Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:29:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Can anyone from the pissed off point of view please post what they did expect to happen in nullsec ? no bullshit just want to know You're missing the point. In nullsec, we expected to die. To fight and die, actually, at a live event target system. We expected also to actually get there. Of course, once you've jump-cloned, grabbed the cheap ship, flown to a freaking system, got into a fleet and waited half an hour... you're not going home. You know it's gonne be a big **** up but the evening is gone, you might as well have some fun. See the pretty sight before or while razor or whomever pods you. What I personally did not expect was to travel 10 hisec systems to get to the real staging point, which was 2 systems out from where I started when flying to meves. What I did not expect was not to have any information from CCP - I was in meves at 18.33 - never saw ONE line from CCP representative. Only people spreading rumors and an endless chat spam.
Anyone else? |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:32:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:Anyone else?
You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.
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Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:36:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Anyone else? You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.
Mr did i as your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:38:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?
It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation.
That is a funny statement, this is hisec and the fleets are pure kitchen sink. I was in a fleet with 250 members and a decent FC, this is way more than you could expect from carebears. The issue is still the event and not the players in the event... |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:40:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Anyone else? You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again. Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf
LOL. Don't patronize me, chances are I'm older than you - and certainly no less aggressive with words.
The information you look for is all in the thread; I'm just sorry I answered you out of courtesy before knowing what an presumptuos person you are. Have fun. |

Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:47:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Anyone else? You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again. Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf LOL. Don't patronize me, chances are I'm older than you - and certainly no less aggressive with words. The information you look for is all in the thread; I'm just sorry I answered you out of courtesy before knowing what an presumptuos person you are. Have fun.
I do have funn every single day. i dont get mad at forums i started reading the 30 pages but it turned in to kindergarden materials so i asked a simple question. and if u played sins 2010 and u are probably older than me so what. was that the question?. wel have funn but for OTHER than old mature "Killerjock" same question What was actualy expected? |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:57:00 -
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Eisenhornx wrote:Trii Seo wrote:You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?
It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation. That is a funny statement, this is hisec and the fleets are pure kitchen sink. I was in a fleet with 250 members and a decent FC, this is way more than you could expect from carebears. The issue is still the event and not the players in the event...
So what, should they have organized it in hisec space, gave carebears invulnerability mode and barricade the gates so that ebil piwates can't barge in to ruin the rollercoaster ride? |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:57:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Anyone else? You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again. Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf LOL. Don't patronize me, chances are I'm older than you - and certainly no less aggressive with words. The information you look for is all in the thread; I'm just sorry I answered you out of courtesy before knowing what an presumptuos person you are. Have fun. I do have funn every single day. i dont get mad at forums i started reading the 30 pages but it turned in to kindergarden materials so i asked a simple question. and if u played sins 2010 and u are probably older than me so what. was that the question?. wel have funn but for OTHER than old mature "Killerjock" same question What was actualy expected?
I am not sure if English is your first language, but looking at your spelling and grammar I hope you will understand some of what my response is...
I personally was looking for some interesting RPG elements to this game, as this is the real reason for "Live Events". The lack of what i was looking for was not what I expected, but now I know what to expect in the future.
If the purpose of your original question of "what did you expect?" was an actual intellectual query than there is your answer, but if not I do not have an answer for you. |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:02:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Eisenhornx wrote:Trii Seo wrote:You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?
It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation. That is a funny statement, this is hisec and the fleets are pure kitchen sink. I was in a fleet with 250 members and a decent FC, this is way more than you could expect from carebears. The issue is still the event and not the players in the event... So what, should they have organized it in hisec space, gave carebears invulnerability mode and barricade the gates so that ebil piwates can't barge in to ruin the rollercoaster ride?
lol, no I do not think that at all. I would hope you "ebil piwates" would have some balls and crash a carebear live event in either lowsec or hisec, but instead you were served a smorgasbord of tasty free kills and not to any actual effort on your part. The use of pirate on your part suggest you went against the natural law of the area, but since there is no law in null you really can't call yourselves true pirates, just pilots that need to be fed instead of feeding yourselves and this is what happened in this event... |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:07:00 -
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I'm detecting vast quantities of rear pain. Sensors cannot handle this magnitude, please advise~
Well, to start there was plenty of RP elements involved. The RP goes: Empires tried to stop Serpentis activities in Outer Regions. Serpentis were aided by Outer Region inhabitants and held the empire forces back, delivering some righteous smackin' in the process. In fact, smackin' so hard it was heard by crying pods all the way back to trade hubs.
So how do you think it should've gone down then? What's the magical solution that would've made it better? |
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Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:09:00 -
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About langage yes you are right. and you did get my question. but i wanted more that 2 Knowital`s tears that is the forum`s role. and if u can see somone else is not having English as first language or not if that is al you can come up with as an insult i do appologise. Thanks for the effort but its not enough |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:11:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Octoven wrote:Just the same, if CCP had sent the message ingame in Sarum local to move to ihal...1200 people would all be moving at the same ******* time triggering tidi in every system they went through for 23 jumps. However, by releasing it to twitter and a small group of viewers, it allowed some to trickle out, once enroute, they forward the message to another group and so on and so forth. Only it didnt work as intended because a bunch of idiots decided to post in sarum local AND the events channel the twitter link and the message...at which point what remaining people decided to ALL move at once. Guess what happened? ******* TiDi for 23 jumps. Disclosing of information to move a mass of people needs to be slowly distributed, posting it on twitter was supposed to do that. Had no one said it in every ******* channel it would have worked too. Alas the human notion is to spread rumors as we hear them. Ah i Got it, we should've trickled, but we moved all together. Only we didn't - I never was in a system over 130 people except meves and stacmon. But if we didn't go together and we trickled, CCP devious plan was succesfful! we had no tidi! Nah, we had tidi. With 130 people in local. And when we finally came to the funnel, the losec and nullsec people where there - because they did not have to travel 23 jumps. They knew where we would go; they knew the exact time. They are organized by definition. So they mounted a fleet and bridged or cynoed there from staging, bubbled to their heart content, and got bored for about one hour till the first of us actually "trickled" there. How long does it take a RAZOR fleet to jump to a known system near staging once you know in advance there's gonna be an op? Once the fleet is formed, I'd be surprised if it took more than 15 minutes. Let's say half an hour. You still have another 10-15 minutes to get bored before a fleet of 200 can slowboat 23 jumps to there - especially if the last 8 jumps are in hostile territory. So even without TIDI, we would've been thrown to a meatgrinder. Even without tidi, "trickling" people would just make then obvious targets. With TIDI, kitchen sink fleets, and trickling.... I don't have to say it - you've seen it. So, simply put, I do not believe that you actually say this things and believe them. You're obviously playing oblivious on purpose. TO not figure this out before... it's bad enough. To claim you didn't after it's been explained so long is unwillingness to argument.
I see....so you continued into the trap anyway despite better judgement...I wonder who between the two of us is playing to oblivious. |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:16:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:I'm detecting vast quantities of rear pain. Sensors cannot handle this magnitude, please advise~
Well, to start there was plenty of RP elements involved. The RP goes: Empires tried to stop Serpentis activities in Outer Regions. Serpentis were aided by Outer Region inhabitants and held the empire forces back, delivering some righteous smackin' in the process. In fact, smackin' so hard it was heard by crying pods all the way back to trade hubs.
So how do you think it should've gone down then? What's the magical solution that would've made it better?
Since there was RP elements on the pirates side but no RP empire to be found kinda makes the whole thing one sided now doesnt it? I made it past your petty gate camps but i found CCP pirates but no CCP empire... do you see anything wrong with your response now? |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:18:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:About langage yes you are right. and you did get my question. but i wanted more that 2 Knowital`s tears that is the forum`s role. and if u can see somone else is not having English as first language or not if that is al you can come up with as an insult i do appologise. Thanks for the effort but its not enough
You misunderstand my question as an insult, or is not being able to speak or write in English an insult? If the latter I apologize for the hurt feelings.
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Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:21:00 -
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Eisenhornx wrote:Asbjrn wrote:About langage yes you are right. and you did get my question. but i wanted more that 2 Knowital`s tears that is the forum`s role. and if u can see somone else is not having English as first language or not if that is al you can come up with as an insult i do appologise. Thanks for the effort but its not enough You misunderstand my question as an insult, or is not being able to speak or write in English an insult? If the latter I apologize for the hurt feelings. no hurt taken. but thanks m8 :) |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:23:00 -
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Have I mentioned :popcorn: ? |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:24:00 -
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There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
That said, awaiting to see the magical way this event could've been made better. For us it was a blast so how could it be more awesome? |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:26:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
That said, awaiting to see the magical way this event could've been made better. For us it was a blast so how could it be more awesome?
if we had more to Blow up it vould have been better
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Shock Fist
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:29:00 -
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Quite frankly Im pleased that we finally get some attention. Thank you CCP <3 |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:32:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
That said, awaiting to see the magical way this event could've been made better. For us it was a blast so how could it be more awesome?
I am sorry I tend to find it hard to dumb down things enough for some people to understand. What I was trying to say in an answer to your question was that the "Live Event" should have had even NPC's on both Empire and Pirate factions, and the event was held in an area where both null and empire can meet on the same footings, (this would be lowsec.) things would have ended much different than they did. But this alternative would have you "ebil piwates" crying so i guess there is no winning. |
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Shock Fist
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:33:00 -
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Eisenhornx wrote:Trii Seo wrote:There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
That said, awaiting to see the magical way this event could've been made better. For us it was a blast so how could it be more awesome? I am sorry I tend to find it hard to dumb down things enough for some people to understand. What I was trying to say in an answer to your question was that the "Live Event" should have had even NPC's on both Empire and Pirate factions, and the event was held in an area where both null and empire can meet on the same footings, (this would be lowsec.) things would have ended much different than they did. But this alternative would have you "ebil piwates" crying so i guess there is no winning.
Sorry, I couldn't hear what you were saying from up there. Could you step down from your high horse so the rest of us mortals can converse with you? |

Eisenhornx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:35:00 -
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Shock Fist wrote:Eisenhornx wrote:Trii Seo wrote:There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
That said, awaiting to see the magical way this event could've been made better. For us it was a blast so how could it be more awesome? I am sorry I tend to find it hard to dumb down things enough for some people to understand. What I was trying to say in an answer to your question was that the "Live Event" should have had even NPC's on both Empire and Pirate factions, and the event was held in an area where both null and empire can meet on the same footings, (this would be lowsec.) things would have ended much different than they did. But this alternative would have you "ebil piwates" crying so i guess there is no winning. Sorry, I couldn't hear what you were saying from up there. Could you step down from your high horse so the rest of us mortals can converse with you?
what fun would it be without the piercing comments to start things off? |

Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:37:00 -
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bye what i can read on forums i see the two big groups:
Nullsec players: Tidi = ahh its tidi Long travel with bubles in the way = Bouce of celestial its bubles or burn through the bubles Hostiles = FC call primary! looses ship = GF.... Reship
Highsec pubies: Tidi = this is horrible **** ccp Long travel = **** ccp stupid bubles **** ccp **** nullsec **** fc Hostiles = Dock up get safe...... oh wait im bubled **** ccp Looses Ship = Ragequit smack on forums threaten with quitting eve while continuing sadle playing in Highsec not knowing eve has moore to offer.
we meet tidi every big fleet fight and we deal with it. if my spelling or grammar is not good Deal with it
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:38:00 -
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Octoven wrote:I see....so you continued into the trap anyway despite better judgement...I wonder who between the two of us is playing to oblivious.
I did not know the trap was set - as someone mentioned I don't remember where the staging systems are and I'm mostly ignorant of the geography of nullsec. It is something that I never had to concern myself with.
I was not expecting such a gankfest, although it did not surprise me once I realized it was there. I had not seen ALL the information on the community site - I actually thought all info would come together, but I'm not mentioning that because THAT was my fault.
But to tell people to go to meves and later to stacmon and later to 8V-SJJ.... that wasn't my decision. To tell people at the latest possible time where they would go wasn't my decision. To provide no meaning of fast transportation - while knowing the nullsec alliances DO have them, that wasn't my decision. My decision was to follow along to see if I cold see anything unusual or pretty before I got killed. As mentioned, I don't icare about the ship or my pod - thoguh i got that home (barely). To lose two hours like this is just annoying.
I followed along convinced that I would die horribly in an event. In fact I died horribly at a losec gatecamp - and as I said many pages ago, I can do that myself without tidi, 2000 players, and CCP intervention.
Quote:Well, to start there was plenty of RP elements involved. The RP goes: Empires tried to stop Serpentis activities in Outer Regions. Serpentis were aided by Outer Region inhabitants and held the empire forces back, delivering some righteous smackin' in the process. In fact, smackin' so hard it was heard by crying pods all the way back to trade hubs.
Trii-Seo, this sounds like the "supermario is a RPG" discussion we had with someone else. The fact there's a storyline involved doesn't make it "RP" - in fact, to not have this event would've been exactly the same from the story perspective.
This was advertised as a big push from the empire navies into "pirate faction" space, a one shot call to all capsuleers to join in the effort. I haven't seen the empire navies, and if all they could muster is 20 bships then we should be removing them from the game and get it over with - we had 2000 capsuleers and 40 empire ships?
40 empire ships that we mostly did not see, since they were already at the target while we were merry-go-lucky through half the galaxy. Wanna drop me in a death-trap? I'll play along, if you deliver what you promised me - something unusual to see, some epic battle. To die in an epic battle is something. To die in a gatecamp can be done without flying 23 jumps in tidi.
If CCP wanted to show the weakness of the empires, have it the other way around. Let the lo/null people come to hisec and show all players the inability of the empires to repel them. The disorganized forces have the chance to stay together and the alliances will get here at the same time anyway cuz they know how to do it. Gankfest extraordinnaire, hisec people get killed, concord gets killed, killboards get stuffed, and everyone gets home happy. I bet most of the players who complained here would have agreed to this.
After all, if 40 ships is the combined force of all empire's navy, any capsuleer with half a brain and a HAC could take on and destroy any single empire, anytime, and with no risk whatsoever. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:38:00 -
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Tidi for the first time = WEEEEE Im warping in slow motion! |

Killerjock
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Asbjrn wrote:bye what i can read on forums i see the two big groups: Highsec pubies: Tidi = this is horrible **** ccp Long travel = **** ccp stupid bubles **** ccp **** nullsec **** fc Hostiles = Dock up get safe...... oh wait im bubled **** ccp Looses Ship = Ragequit smack on forums threaten with quitting eve while continuing sadle playing in Highsec not knowing eve has moore to offer.
we meet tidi every big fleet fight and we deal with it. if my spelling or grammar is not good Deal with it
It's not spelling or grammar, it's your understanding that is flawed. You read whatever the heck you wanted to read.
You're wrong. Deal with it.
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Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:40:00 -
[757] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:bye what i can read on forums i see the two big groups: Highsec pubies: Tidi = this is horrible **** ccp Long travel = **** ccp stupid bubles **** ccp **** nullsec **** fc Hostiles = Dock up get safe...... oh wait im bubled **** ccp Looses Ship = Ragequit smack on forums threaten with quitting eve while continuing sadle playing in Highsec not knowing eve has moore to offer.
we meet tidi every big fleet fight and we deal with it. if my spelling or grammar is not good Deal with it It's not spelling or grammar, it's your understanding that is flawed. You read whatever the heck you wanted to read. You're wrong. Deal with it.
No you. |

Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:41:00 -
[758] - Quote
Asbjrn wrote:bye what i can read on forums i see the two big groups:
Nullsec players: Tidi = ahh its tidi Long travel with bubles in the way = Bouce of celestial its bubles or burn through the bubles Hostiles = FC call primary! looses ship = GF.... Reship
Highsec pubies: Tidi = this is horrible **** ccp Long travel = **** ccp stupid bubles **** ccp **** nullsec **** fc Hostiles = Dock up get safe...... oh wait im bubled **** ccp Looses Ship = Ragequit smack on forums threaten with quitting eve while continuing sadle playing in Highsec not knowing eve has moore to offer.
we meet tidi every big fleet fight and we deal with it. if my spelling or grammar is not good Deal with it
Now this is the first intelligent thing said by the opposing side.
on the other hand the main issue of this post was the event in all, and since i did all the things of the nullsec player save the reshipping I dont see anything wrong with EVE itself just the live event. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:42:00 -
[759] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:bye what i can read on forums i see the two big groups: Highsec pubies: Tidi = this is horrible **** ccp Long travel = **** ccp stupid bubles **** ccp **** nullsec **** fc Hostiles = Dock up get safe...... oh wait im bubled **** ccp Looses Ship = Ragequit smack on forums threaten with quitting eve while continuing sadle playing in Highsec not knowing eve has moore to offer.
we meet tidi every big fleet fight and we deal with it. if my spelling or grammar is not good Deal with it It's not spelling or grammar, it's your understanding that is flawed. You read whatever the heck you wanted to read. You're wrong. Deal with it. No you.
NO YOU shock F**K YOU
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Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:42:00 -
[760] - Quote
:( |
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Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:45:00 -
[761] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:Thats not very nice Asbjrn 
Sorry if i hurt your feealings. "walking away from computer feeling like a boss" |

Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:47:00 -
[762] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:[quote=Octoven]
Trii-Seo, this sounds like the "supermario is a RPG" discussion we had with someone else. The fact there's a storyline involved doesn't make it "RP" - in fact, to not have this event would've been exactly the same from the story perspective.
This was advertised as a big push from the empire navies into "pirate faction" space, a one shot call to all capsuleers to join in the effort. I haven't seen the empire navies, and if all they could muster is 20 bships then we should be removing them from the game and get it over with - we had 2000 capsuleers and 40 empire ships?
40 empire ships that we mostly did not see, since they were already at the target while we were merry-go-lucky through half the galaxy. Wanna drop me in a death-trap? I'll play along, if you deliver what you promised me - something unusual to see, some epic battle. To die in an epic battle is something. To die in a gatecamp can be done without flying 23 jumps in tidi.
If CCP wanted to show the weakness of the empires, have it the other way around. Let the lo/null people come to hisec and show all players the inability of the empires to repel them. The disorganized forces have the chance to stay together and the alliances will get here at the same time anyway cuz they know how to do it. Gankfest extraordinnaire, hisec people get killed, concord gets killed, killboards get stuffed, and everyone gets home happy. I bet most of the players who complained here would have agreed to this.
After all, if 40 ships is the combined force of all empire's navy, any capsuleer with half a brain and a HAC could take on and destroy any single empire, anytime, and with no risk whatsoever.
Now that would have made a much better event. make concord unable to mobilize, and have the null alliances come to hi sec and slaughter or try to slaughter the empires. no gate camps just pure war. I dont think anyone can argue with this. |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
114
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:50:00 -
[763] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
That said, awaiting to see the magical way this event could've been made better. For us it was a blast so how could it be more awesome?
i dunno i didnt go but maybe.. just tell ppl where it is happening, let nul folks assemble to defend the piratey holdings along with some ccp evil folks, have a ccp/empire titan or 2 jump high sec folks directly into the system, once a player enter system they will find a couple ccp friendlies in a safe spot (can be scanned down).
pour high seccers into system with some beacons to random pirately holdings (guarded by whoever hates highseccy ppl)
high seccers warp to targets however they please, thier fc's command along with the ccp friendlies, everyone shoots each other to bits.
crafty null seccers scan down entry point for high seccers and have thier way with stragglers and whatever else is there/needed for the titan jump things (possibly sealing any quick evac to high sec options.
high sec and null sec ppl shoot, might still be a bloodbath but at least theres a feeling of war, battle and something to struggle for, on both ends
i'd be keen for that. no mysticism, no godships and uber me no die modes. just no choke point for whack a mole, at least not from the nanosecond the event starts |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:52:00 -
[764] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:Killerjock wrote:[quote=Octoven]
Trii-Seo, this sounds like the "supermario is a RPG" discussion we had with someone else. The fact there's a storyline involved doesn't make it "RP" - in fact, to not have this event would've been exactly the same from the story perspective.
This was advertised as a big push from the empire navies into "pirate faction" space, a one shot call to all capsuleers to join in the effort. I haven't seen the empire navies, and if all they could muster is 20 bships then we should be removing them from the game and get it over with - we had 2000 capsuleers and 40 empire ships?
40 empire ships that we mostly did not see, since they were already at the target while we were merry-go-lucky through half the galaxy. Wanna drop me in a death-trap? I'll play along, if you deliver what you promised me - something unusual to see, some epic battle. To die in an epic battle is something. To die in a gatecamp can be done without flying 23 jumps in tidi.
If CCP wanted to show the weakness of the empires, have it the other way around. Let the lo/null people come to hisec and show all players the inability of the empires to repel them. The disorganized forces have the chance to stay together and the alliances will get here at the same time anyway cuz they know how to do it. Gankfest extraordinnaire, hisec people get killed, concord gets killed, killboards get stuffed, and everyone gets home happy. I bet most of the players who complained here would have agreed to this.
After all, if 40 ships is the combined force of all empire's navy, any capsuleer with half a brain and a HAC could take on and destroy any single empire, anytime, and with no risk whatsoever. Now that would have made a much better event. make concord unable to mobilize, and have the null alliances come to hi sec and slaughter or try to slaughter the empires. no gate camps just pure war. I dont think anyone can argue with this.
We love the idea. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:58:00 -
[765] - Quote
To be honest, any large event fleet heading to anywhere fun will have a certain bottleneck, you cannot avoid this. Quite simply, get prepared for it and then come face us in the proper fashion, or stop crying about losing ships to disorganisation.
You don't get beginners luck with this sort of thing, learn to HTFU. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
236
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:00:00 -
[766] - Quote
Killerjock wrote: I did not know the trap was set - as someone mentioned I don't remember where the staging systems are and I'm mostly ignorant of the geography of nullsec. It is something that I never had to concern myself with.
Knowing where you are going is key to ANY event not just this one...actually that is a real life concept. If you couldnt be bothered to learn what is where, what do you want CCP to do about it?
I was not expecting such a gankfest, although it did not surprise me once I realized it was there. I had not seen ALL the information on the community site - I actually thought all info would come together, but I'm not mentioning that because THAT was my fault.
Killerjock wrote: But to tell people to go to meves and later to stacmon and later to 8V-SJJ.... that wasn't my decision.
Indeed you made the choice to follow along, you could have easily backed out if you were indeed as ignorant of the details as you claim to have been.
Killerjock wrote: To tell people at the latest possible time where they would go wasn't my decision.
This is part of events...if you have ever done a mass test on sisi you would be aware of this. You were given 10-20 minute notice and again could have said **** you im not participating in an event at the last minute. Yet you did not.
Killerjock wrote: To provide no meaning of fast transportation - while knowing the nullsec alliances DO have them, that wasn't my decision. My decision was to follow along to see if I cold see anything unusual or pretty before I got killed. As mentioned, I don't icare about the ship or my pod - thoguh i got that home (barely). To lose two hours like this is just annoying.
Fast transportation was NEVER intended to be the way to get there. It was a journey to get there, you opposition you would face was kind of the point of it. Empires vs Pirates, we infiltrate their space and take down a facility...this means fighting your way through opposing forces to reach your goal...something that the majority of people STILL after the event is over fail to understand. It was a pvp event with pve goals. Plus your decision here on fast transport is somewhat irrelevant because you had the choice to either fight for the pirates or fight for empires. Instead of taking advantage of the fact null sec had home field advantage on movement you whine about it. Don't blame CCP you made the wrong choice.
Killerjock wrote: I followed along convinced that I would die horribly in an event. In fact I died horribly at a losec gatecamp - and as I said many pages ago, I can do that myself without tidi, 2000 players, and CCP intervention.
If you knew in advance you would die horribly and knew you could do it without hours of tidi and other people...why in the **** did you still go? Im sorry but I cant respect someone who knows 100% they will lose, still goes with it anyway, loses, and then crys about it. Grow the **** up and be adult enough to admit defeat...move on. |

Luca Lure
Obertura
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:16:00 -
[767] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.
"It sad, so sad, it's a sad sad situation. Sorry seems to be the hardest word." - Elton John
It didn't take me too long to reed up through 13 pages, to get to the core of the problem. After that, I can conclude. Nullsec carebears had a good time and everybody else was annoyed by the way CCP communicated. Well, then the first comment should be "sorry, we ****** it up for a lot of people and we will look at ways to make sure we do it better next time.". Then te discussion would be over. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:38:00 -
[768] - Quote
Luca Lure wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement. "It sad, so sad, it's a sad sad situation. Sorry seems to be the hardest word." - Elton John It didn't take me too long to reed up through 13 pages, to get to the core of the problem. After that, I can conclude. Nullsec carebears had a good time and everybody else was annoyed by the way CCP communicated. Well, then the first comment should be "sorry, we ****** it up for a lot of people and we will look at ways to make sure we do it better next time.". Then te discussion would be over.
Read* The* I quoted your entire post for those two misspelled words. Yup. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:39:00 -
[769] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:Luca Lure wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Carnip wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. "Misunderstandings we have been noticing"?? Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon? You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement. "It sad, so sad, it's a sad sad situation. Sorry seems to be the hardest word." - Elton John It didn't take me too long to reed up through 13 pages, to get to the core of the problem. After that, I can conclude. Nullsec carebears had a good time and everybody else was annoyed by the way CCP communicated. Well, then the first comment should be "sorry, we ****** it up for a lot of people and we will look at ways to make sure we do it better next time.". Then te discussion would be over. Read* The* I quoted your entire post for those two misspelled words. Yup.
THE NERVE!!  |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:40:00 -
[770] - Quote
Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!  
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
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Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:44:00 -
[771] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!   <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Why the use of so many butts?
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Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:44:00 -
[772] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:Shock Fist wrote:Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!   <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Why the use of so many butts?
Its hearts feel the love man |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:45:00 -
[773] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:Shock Fist wrote:Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!   <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Why the use of so many butts?
"In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps toniiiiight"
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Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:50:00 -
[774] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:Eisenhornx wrote:Shock Fist wrote:Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!   <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Why the use of so many butts? "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps toniiiiight"
In the jungle The quiet jungle The lions sleep tonight
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Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:52:00 -
[775] - Quote
Near the Village, the peaceful Village, the Lion sleeps toniiiiight |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:54:00 -
[776] - Quote
Hush my darling, don't fear my darling, the lions sleeps tonight
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Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:55:00 -
[777] - Quote
Hush my darling, don't fear my darling, the lions sleeps tonight |

Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:56:00 -
[778] - Quote
You guys are getting off topic a bit. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:56:00 -
[779] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0k7e5ApFU |

Eisenhornx
SunKing Vanguard
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:58:00 -
[780] - Quote
Asbjrn wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0k7e5ApFU
so uncool
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Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:04:00 -
[781] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:Asbjrn wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0k7e5ApFU so uncool
Irony much? |

Luca Lure
Obertura
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:06:00 -
[782] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:Shock Fist wrote:Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!   <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Why the use of so many butts?
Because he shock fists so many butts. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
6
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:08:00 -
[783] - Quote
Luca Lure wrote:Eisenhornx wrote:Shock Fist wrote:Asbjrn wrote:THE NERVE!!   <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Why the use of so many butts? Because he shock fists so many butts.
*Budum Tiss* |

Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:19:00 -
[784] - Quote
Not sure what CCP intended with this live event. I mean if you assemble a fleet of random highsec players who expect some sort of storyline live event thingy and then let them jump into a nullsec alliance gatecamp it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. The only thing this event managed to achieve is scaring off more players from ever entering low/nullsec and pimping some nullbear's killboards. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:20:00 -
[785] - Quote
Eisenhornx wrote:Asbjrn wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0k7e5ApFU so uncool http://i.imgur.com/R8tFL.jpg |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
864
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:23:00 -
[786] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:From what I've gathered in this thread, it seems a lot of people expected a rigged event in safe space where they hold back red crosses and achieve the objective easily.
It didn't happen.
It seems a lot of "I know there's danger out there but it doesn't affect me" bubbles were shattered in this event.
Then you have gathered nothing and read very little it seems. Try RTFS and then adding a comment. |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
247
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:26:00 -
[787] - Quote
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
20
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:27:00 -
[788] - Quote
Alice Ituin wrote:Not sure what CCP intended with this live event. I mean if you assemble a fleet of random highsec players who expect some sort of storyline live event thingy and then let them jump into a nullsec alliance gatecamp it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. The only thing this event managed to achieve is scaring off more players from ever entering low/nullsec and pimping some nullbear's killboards.
And you clearly intended to boost your post count by spamming the exact same thing as around 90 other people on this same thread, thus making the point your trying to make even more irrelevant then it was to start with.
Stop crying about it, and be happy that high sec wasn't the only thing to benefit from an event for once. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1829
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:30:00 -
[789] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. I would seriously consider reimbursing some ships. Just saying. 
Ahaha no.
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Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:32:00 -
[790] - Quote
mining runner wrote:Id like to thanks CCP for an awesome and very educational (for some) event.
After reading about the High sec event a few days earlier, i moved an alt account to sarum prime in order to join in the fun, but i awoke on the day to read about our fleet also heading into the fray. I decided to attend both ends of the event just to compare.
Now i managed to move both my main through null sec with the EXE fleet AND an alt in high sec, and arrived at the destination with both char. Yes, there was TIDI, yes there was spam and orders from CCP were hard to find amongst that spam. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Chat bars also scroll up you know? you can also open multiple at once, giving you more chance of catching the orders. You could also ask your fellow players ?
This is EVE online, or are you forgetting that. Your anger at CCP if misdirected, they just provide the sandbox, its the players that don't fully understand the space they live in causing the problems. Try forming a leadership structure, try working together. Be more organized in "highsec" as an entity rather than an area to endlessly run LVL4's or incursions in relative safety. Hell, your gonna have to soon to defend POCO's, because if you don't, null sec alliance's will own them all.
We have multiple 250 man fleets, full of TIDI, full of spam, fighting on a regular basis. The way around this is being organized and following orders. Not complaining on the forums.
I had great fun, will see you guys at the next event.
Best post so far!!!! |
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Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:38:00 -
[791] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. I would seriously consider reimbursing some ships. Just saying.  Ahaha no. yup we lost 1 rupture! reinburse ccp
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Deunan Tenephais
3
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:41:00 -
[792] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? Because they were probably expecting dying in a fight against NPCs and PCC maned ships, not against a third party fleet.
Had they realized that they would have to fight against a null fleet, then they probably would have done things differently. Perhaps not much better, admittedly, but at least they would have tried; here they were expecting a somewhat PvE event and ended in a PvP fight, they were more than likely ill-prepared.
What would be interesting to know is how many would have shown to the event and in what set-up if it was all about going against null seccers from the very start... |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
865
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:42:00 -
[793] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.
So you agree that it was bad management and organisation then? It would've been oh so hard for CCP to create a Chat Channel and gag everyone other than FC's\CCP Devs (looks at SiSi testing channels)?
Nope I didn't think so this "Players Spammed the Content" point is moot. |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:47:00 -
[794] - Quote
Deunan Tenephais wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? Because they were probably expecting dying in a fight against NPCs and PCC maned ships, not against a third party fleet. Had they realized that they would have to fight against a null fleet, then they probably would have done things differently. Perhaps not much better, admittedly, but at least they would have tried; here they were expecting a somewhat PvE event and ended in a PvP fight, they were more than likely ill-prepared. What would be interesting to know is how many would have shown to the event and in what set-up if it was all about going against null seccers from the very start... PVE event in NBSI space sounds like a good plan
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
865
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:55:00 -
[795] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?
Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.09 20:57:00 -
[796] - Quote
Asbjrn wrote:mining runner wrote:Id like to thanks CCP for an awesome and very educational (for some) event.
After reading about the High sec event a few days earlier, i moved an alt account to sarum prime in order to join in the fun, but i awoke on the day to read about our fleet also heading into the fray. I decided to attend both ends of the event just to compare.
Now i managed to move both my main through null sec with the EXE fleet AND an alt in high sec, and arrived at the destination with both char. Yes, there was TIDI, yes there was spam and orders from CCP were hard to find amongst that spam. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Chat bars also scroll up you know? you can also open multiple at once, giving you more chance of catching the orders. You could also ask your fellow players ?
This is EVE online, or are you forgetting that. Your anger at CCP if misdirected, they just provide the sandbox, its the players that don't fully understand the space they live in causing the problems. Try forming a leadership structure, try working together. Be more organized in "highsec" as an entity rather than an area to endlessly run LVL4's or incursions in relative safety. Hell, your gonna have to soon to defend POCO's, because if you don't, null sec alliance's will own them all.
We have multiple 250 man fleets, full of TIDI, full of spam, fighting on a regular basis. The way around this is being organized and following orders. Not complaining on the forums.
I had great fun, will see you guys at the next event.
Best post so far!!!!
I agree, I think many can learn from such a wise statement. |

Shock Fist
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read.
By taking the continuous high-ground your actually being a humongous hypocrite, because your quite happy to spam negative posts without really considering the possibility of a positive view.
The point was that people expected to get a fight, they did, it wasn't red crosses or ISD's which killed them, but the same result. |

Maximus Aerelius
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? Because they were probably expecting dying in a fight against NPCs and PCC maned ships, not against a third party fleet. Had they realized that they would have to fight against a null fleet, then they probably would have done things differently. Perhaps not much better, admittedly, but at least they would have tried; here they were expecting a somewhat PvE event and ended in a PvP fight, they were more than likely ill-prepared. What would be interesting to know is how many would have shown to the event and in what set-up if it was all about going against null seccers from the very start...
I would have and did thinking "I know where this is headed". I was in a blank JC, "Loss Fit" ship and willing and ready to die for the lore and for the content along with the opportunity to see all 4 Empire Navies come together in one place and actually see something never before seen (AFAIK and what EVE News was saying).
I fully expected to die in a ball of fire once the final destinations were declared...at the hands of the "Null Warriors" and I wouldn't have shed a tear, I would've posted GF, awesome event on the forums and bragged to my friends and work colleagues (who I'd been whittering on to about this whole event and even took 1.5 hours of work to help people get to) and I could say "I was there".
Now I'm ashamed that I may have helped people experience this "event"**, disappointed that a company I have watched grow from it's earliest time do something that at face level is so repugnant. I feel betrayed not only as a paying customer but as person in that I trusted a company so much and they tore it up and spat in my face.
** This was my tweet on reading the news that fateful morning:
Maximus Aerelius GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD
Factions call hourly, the universe once in a lifetime. Today we fight for New Eden for on this day WE ARE ONE!!!" #tweetfleet #eveonline |

Maximus Aerelius
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Shock Fist wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read. By taking the continuous high-ground your actually being a humongous hypocrite, because your quite happy to spam negative posts without really considering the possibility of a positive view. The point was that people expected to get a fight, they did, it wasn't red crosses or ISD's which killed them, but the same result.
I'm not trying to be but when my OP is on Page 3 you know, it stands. As I've posted above some of us didn't even get to be in the "meat grinder" or be a "lamb to the slaughter". It was declared over when I was still in TiDi in Hi-Sec moving to the 3rd staging point I think it was now and I was in Sarum Prime the night before. I moved to Ihal after disconnect, I got in fleet and we got underway...
I WANTED to lose that damn Drake for the cause, for New Eden, for the lore and for the content it would be part of as it's been sat in my hanger for so long now... |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:11:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Shock Fist wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears? Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read. By taking the continuous high-ground your actually being a humongous hypocrite, because your quite happy to spam negative posts without really considering the possibility of a positive view. The point was that people expected to get a fight, they did, it wasn't red crosses or ISD's which killed them, but the same result. I'm not trying to be but when my OP is on Page 3 you know, it stands. As I've posted above some of us didn't even get to be in the "meat grinder" or be a "lamb to the slaughter". It was declared over when I was still in TiDi in Hi-Sec moving to the 3rd staging point I think it was now and I was in Sarum Prime the night before. I moved to Ihal after disconnect, I got in fleet and we got underway... I WANTED to lose that damn Drake for the cause, for New Eden, for the lore and for the content it would be part of as it's been sat in my hanger for so long now... u can still loose it its not to late |
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:12:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Knowing where you are going is key to ANY event not just this one...actually that is a real life concept. If you couldnt be bothered to learn what is where, what do you want CCP to do about it?
Nothing, my complaint has been stated so many times it's not even funny, if you want to pretend you didn't here, be my guest. My concern is not with where the event was.
But to answer your question, I was told I was going to null. It's like telling you you're going to china. Then while you're parachuting down from the plane you're told you're going to land in a backwater place whose name you can't pronounce. You do your research at that point, right? 
Quote:Indeed you made the choice to follow along, you could have easily backed out if you were indeed as ignorant of the details as you claim to have been.
Why? The evening was gone and I had already traveled 15 jumps here and there. Sure as hell if I got back with that tidi I couldn't have played eve. So I've chosen to tag along what's it to you? I'm not complaining about the trap itself but about the long and UNNECESSARY trip we were subjected to. The choice was not being there or traveling those 20 sectors at THAT time and under THOSE circumstances. Which made a trap more than obvious, by the way. Your point seem to be "then don't participate" - thanks, but that doesn't make the problem go away.
[Octoven wrote:Fast transportation was NEVER intended to be the way to get there. It was a journey to get there, you opposition you would face was kind of the point of it. Empires vs Pirates, we infiltrate their space and take down a facility...this means fighting your way through opposing forces to reach your goal...something that the majority of people STILL after the event is over fail to understand.
Nice. Then why was the vast majority of the "force" still traveling when the event was over? Where were the Empires who started this while we were "fighting our way"? I didn't see no fracking CCP ship anywhere - if I had, I would've followed suit with the fleet instead of scouting half sinq laison under heavy tidi to figure out what we were supposed to do. And to be honest, if I had I would've gone home with the feeling that I participated in an event. Which is what was sorely lacking. Your explanation just shows more incompetent behaviour.
Quote:Plus your decision here on fast transport is somewhat irrelevant because you had the choice to either fight for the pirates or fight for empires. Instead of taking advantage of the fact null sec had home field advantage on movement you whine about it. Don't blame CCP you made the wrong choice.
I don't have a nullsec alt. I don't have strong ties to a nullsec alliance that I can leverage. Staging in null, assuming I could get there without being forced out by the sov holders, would've been absurd. But again to follow your line of reasonment, there was a "good" choice and a "bad" choice - those 2000 who staged in hisec were all idiots that made the wrong choice, willingly. The whole point of the event was to show hisec players that be in hisec is stupid and they should actually move to null. So if we were "smarter" there wouldn't have been a hisec force but just nullseccers doing fish in a barrel against CCP.
That should make CCP or the event look better?
Quote:If you knew in advance you would die horribly and knew you could do it without hours of tidi and other people...why in the **** did you still go? Im sorry but I cant respect someone who knows 100% they will lose, still goes with it anyway, loses, and then crys about it. Grow the **** up and be adult enough to admit defeat...move on.
After 40 pages and all the above you still think we're complaining about the losses? Or the fact we didn't win a battle against staged and organized veteran forces with better quality and quantity, on their turf and after they had hours to prepare?
Sometimes winning or losing isn't the point - besides, MY death does not make either win or lose certain. I reckoned there was a chance I would get home with my ship, albeit minimal, and I reckoned whether or not I did there would be a fight and some fun. The fact we were probably going to "lose" the event was irrelevant. The first time you take a rifter in losec the chances are about the same - you don't respect those who start pvping because they know they will probably lose?
And I'm not crying, very few here are crying. We're just trying to argument with people that either act or are too stupid too read, too inane to argument, and too stuck up with their attitude to consider they might not be three meters above everyone else. Guess what? all the **** about moar tears - that's just pathetic.
I'm telling you that while losing my ship was indeed my fault, that has no relevance to the topic at hand. What wasn't my fault was being led to slowboat 23 jumps to an event that - for us - never happened, when at least 10 of those jumps were completely unnecessary.
Now tell me all about when you go to war in nullsec you prepare operations by slowboating a big fleet 23 jumps into hostile territory without intel. And see if anyone believes you. I'm quite sure the goons where 23 jumps from 6VDT when they staged their attack. They certainly advertised the precise hour of their trip, and the route, and moved in a small trickle of ships. Eh? I wonder how THAT battle would've gone if that were the case.
Frankly, this has gone beyond old - I'm not gonna spend any more time trying to go through a wall of "I did not hear that" - no valid point has been made by the "HTFU" people regarding the trip or the event. |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:20:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:u can still loose it its not to late
You ebil piwate ! . I'll save it and lose it for something more worthwhile than just losing it for losing it's sake. I appreciate the offer if it was indeed that though.
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Deunan Tenephais
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:28:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:PVE event in NBSI space sounds like a good plan  Do you really know what most hiseccers know about null space ? Close to nothing.
All of them know there are PvP players who like fighting and podding, most know that the Goons exist (but not much more), only a fraction fully understand the sov system, very few know who Mittani is and close to no one is aware of the last sov dramas of null-sec. Many don't even know that Asakai took place or the thing about CCP giving away free stuff to the lottery guys.
Of course I'm not talking about nullseccers' alts in highsec or forum hungry people. |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:30:00 -
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Killerjock wrote: 1) Now tell me all about when you go to war in nullsec you prepare operations by slowboating a big fleet 23 jumps into hostile territory without intel.
2) Frankly, this has gone beyond old - I'm not gonna spend any more time trying to go through a wall of "I did not hear that" - no valid point has been made by the "HTFU" people regarding the trip or the event.
On point 1) You forgot to mention not telling people in good time where to go or to have no established communications channels on which to broadcast. Now let's see you Nullers do what you do with those circumstances.
On point 2) I too am getting tired of the HTFU, Welcome to PVP\Null\Other BS.
This isn't about losing anything IG or getting free stuff for 99% of us so if you can't contribute in a positive manner than please move along or, in your own language, GTFO!.
We understand you loved the easy kills for your "1337 skillz" AKA Fish in a Barrel but read a bit further behind that and you'll see the issue. I wonder how many of you would be saying the same if the situations had been reversed? For instance if you lost Sov because you couldn't form an effective fleet because CCP denied you the ability to do so by glitching Titan Bridges and subjecting you to 10% TiDi while the "attacking" side were hammering everything you had.
A bit of a different look at things. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:31:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Asbjrn wrote:PVE event in NBSI space sounds like a good plan  Do you really know what most hiseccers know about null space ? Close to nothing. All of them know there are PvP players who like fighting and podding, most know that the Goons exist (but not much more), only a fraction fully understand the sov system, very few know who Mittani is and close to no one is aware of the last sov dramas of null-sec. Many don't even know that Asakai took place or the thing about CCP giving away free stuff to the lottery guys. Of course I'm not talking about nullseccers' alts in highsec or forum hungry people.
Quite frankly, that's a "Them" problem, not a CCP or "Us" problem. |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:36:00 -
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Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:37:00 -
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I had to LMAO of at this (Official EVE Comms as Twitter is now regarded as):
Erlendur GÇÅ@erlendur wrote: 7h
. @RageRifter @Xtrah_ Communication is the key ingredient in any relationship, be it personal, business or gaming // @CCP_Falcon
Interesting that that should be posted in the middle of a player rage-storm after they CCPd 2-3000 of us\them.
My response:
Maximus Aerelius GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD wrote: now
@erlendur Interesting Tweet there. I wonder why @CCPGames are remaining so quiet about the rage that is going on right now then. #tweetfleet |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:38:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3
I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo!  |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:43:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:I had to LMAO of at this (Official EVE Comms as Twitter is now regarded as): Erlendur GÇÅ@erlendur wrote: 7h
. @RageRifter @Xtrah_ Communication is the key ingredient in any relationship, be it personal, business or gaming // @CCP_Falcon Interesting that that should be posted in the middle of a player rage-storm after they CCPd 2-3000 of us\them. My response: Maximus Aerelius GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD wrote: now
@erlendur Interesting Tweet there. I wonder why @CCPGames are remaining so quiet about the rage that is going on right now then. #tweetfleet
On this point above:
If CCP are watching this thread I, personally, think it would be a good time to pass an update or what, if any actions, CCP are taking whether it be in addressing customer AKA players concerns or analysis of what happened or something to say that we are watching and we will be updating you with further information at -Date--Time-.
I'm an IT Engineer and there is nothing more frustrating than not hearing from 3rd Parties on outstanding issues and it has been some time since CCP Goliath posted saying "We're watching".
Just my thoughts on "Communication is the key ingredient in any relationship" |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:03:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo! 
Hey, shooting someone and loving them isn't exactly mutually exclusive. "My little AHAC: Lasers are Magic".
Also, it's weekend. They're probably not at work atm, we'll hear from them on monday. |
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Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:04:00 -
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People had issues with an event in an MMORPG which in itself has a 100% chance to be affected by player standards of gaming, this isn't WoW where you have to duel people to get a fight, this is EvE online - people are gonna die, welcome to the game we love and play.
Of course, feel free to keep throwing (albeit quiet) tears around :sun: |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:06:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo!  Hey, shooting someone and loving them isn't exactly mutually exclusive. "My little AHAC: Lasers are Magic". Also, it's weekend. They're probably not at work atm, we'll hear from them on monday.
All very valid points. Have a great weekend and fly recklessly  |

Asbjrn
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:10:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 your not so bad yourself  |

Asbjrn
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:13:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo!  i might admit serpentist and me is not so good friends becaus of all the vindicator bluprints i have stolen from them but for that i love them. and becaus of the vindy losses prises vil go up again om my bluprints  |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:18:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3
Since you have utterly failed at reading comprehension let me enlighten you as to the actual thrust of most of the 'high sec' complaints.
CCP told us where to stage, no further information until after the event had started. We were staged 20-40 jumps from the end destination (Sarum Prime people had to move about 40 overall). Then gave only intermediate destinations along the way with limited options of routes. Fleets moving along those routes were typically in 10% TiDi. Individuals could obviously break out faster but moving in a coherent fleet that wasn't going to get ganked 1 by 1 meant TiDi. CCP then started the 'event' well before any of the fleets from high sec had a chance of getting to their destinations, had the Empire flee from the field mere minutes after, & declared the event ended entirely before most fleets were even into null sec.
In contrast, the 'pirates' got staged one system from the destination, and local sov holders already had large forces in the doril region due to existing fighting.
Meaning that the 2000+ (I'd say 3000+ initially from what I saw) High sec players who were attempting to attend the event got denied by CCP's decision on starting & finishing the event before they could even get near the target system due to TiDi warps along a massive convoy route. That is what the rage is about. It's not tears over loosing ships, every fleet I know of was advised they would loose ships, anyone who asked in Live Events before hand was told they would almost certainly be going to Low or Null by older hands at Live Events. But we expected the opportunity to at least participate in the event, not be denied simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to give us the time to get there when they had to know how long it would take us. |

litle grasshopper
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:18:00 -
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in befor thread is closed!
also anyone that thinks they ca disjointedly wonder in to null sec solo regardless of ccp event or not needs a reality check, id be intrested to know how many fleeted up with their corp and their corps FC and attempted to make it there, I did, in a t1 cruiser and got a 3 bill kill on a pod, i have terrible skills but i was in an organised fleet , this is an MMO requireing interaction, nobody flying solo is gonna have fun at an event like this. So if your used to sitting in your nice safe minning corp/mission running corp, not talking to anyone no this is gonna be terrible, you will attempt to put put over to the system exspecting ccp to keep you safe(it is after all a ccp run event so must be safe) and then your gonna warp in and shoot some red crosses and ........ yeah sorry i have no idea what you thought seriously re evaluate your game play.
CCP this wasnt a spectacular even but an awsome catalist to some of the best fun ive had in game IN A LOOOOONG TIME, thanks |

Maximus Aerelius
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:23:00 -
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litle grasshopper wrote: -Usual can't be arsed reading crap-post
And you really thing this thread is getting locked? Oh dear, I think you need to think before you type and not just crap-post whatever springs to mind. Go back and read a few of the more intentioned posts and you'll get the theme of this thread.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
502
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:28:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:litle grasshopper wrote: -Usual can't be arsed reading crap-post And you really thing this thread is getting locked? Oh dear, I think you need to think before you type and not just crap-post whatever springs to mind. Go back and read a few of the more intentioned posts and you'll get the theme of this thread. Like the one right above his for a start, or any of the hundreds of others that explain exactly the same thing. |

Commissar Colt
Visioneers
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:50:00 -
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What a let down. At least with Caldari Prime something was accomplished. All this dead air from CCP is very discouraging. |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:56:00 -
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Asbjrn wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 your not so bad yourself 
Compared to you sir, I'm a ******* saint!
That said, I think I can see where this will go - CCP will announce the incompetence of fleet commanders as purposeful. The empires are bad for you: they tried to gather your help for a last, desperate push against an enemy they couldn't break themselves. They failed, big time - underestimating the capability and will of nullsec entities to defend their territories. Overestimating their ability to organize attacks.
It's pointless to put artificial borders between "roleplay event" and actual history that happened. It wasn't a bunch of griefers ruining an event for their sick amusement. Sure, rear ends of many people met the boot at muzzle velocity that night but... likely many of those who administered the smacking were on the receiving end many, many times.
A lot of that wasn't fair either - bombed off the field because FC didn't pay attention, slam into a bubble and get pipebombed without a chance to fight back, it's how things go. You trust a commander to lead you to victory and safety and sometimes he fails. So don't scream at CCP about not making this a themepark ride but an uphill walk in snow. Look at it from the perspective of history that was made that day. Victory or loss don't matter - it's all about fun.
There won't be another day like this. Whatever side you were on, you participated in a unique event that won't repeat itself. You helped shape the lore of the world while playing the game. The only people who really lost weren't those who died or didn't make it to the staging system - they were those who quit or didn't attend.
Think how awesome the fact is that you supported the faction you liked against the odds, struggling to reach the target against incompetence of your leaders and lack of information. If CCP intended to get you all there in one piece, they'd have teleported people or spawned an NPC titan with infinite stront and fuel to bridge everyone easily. They chose not to.
(Also dear CCP can we get "I supported the Serpentis... AND THEN - BETRAYAL!" t-shirts? Or at least something to commemorate the outcome of the event.) |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:01:00 -
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Except most people didn't take part in the lore. They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.
Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time. |

Trii Seo
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:13:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except most people didn't take part in the lore. They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.
Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time.
To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
502
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:23:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except most people didn't take part in the lore. They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.
Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time. To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there. No, you weren't there. Not if you were moving a fleet together. If you ran a fast cloaky into the system you made it sure.
But the fleets with their travelling TiDi coming with them didn't make it. The fleet I was in hadn't even left High Sec when CCP started the event in Null. It was declared over when we were five jumps out. The alternative was to trickle feed gate camps if everyone travelled at their own best speed rather than at the slowest ships warp with a fleet warp then align to outbound gate after jumping.
Which defeats the point of having a fleet if you trickle in.
CCP quite simply stuffed up big time, and didn't plan worth a dang. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
867
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:39:00 -
[824] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 your not so bad yourself  Compared to you sir, I'm a ******* saint! That said, I think I can see where this will go - CCP will announce the incompetence of fleet commanders as purposeful. The empires are bad for you: they tried to gather your help for a last, desperate push against an enemy they couldn't break themselves. They failed, big time - underestimating the capability and will of nullsec entities to defend their territories. Overestimating their ability to organize attacks. It's pointless to put artificial borders between "roleplay event" and actual history that happened. It wasn't a bunch of griefers ruining an event for their sick amusement. Sure, rear ends of many people met the boot at muzzle velocity that night but... likely many of those who administered the smacking were on the receiving end many, many times. A lot of that wasn't fair either - bombed off the field because FC didn't pay attention, slam into a bubble and get pipebombed without a chance to fight back, it's how things go. You trust a commander to lead you to victory and safety and sometimes he fails. So don't scream at CCP about not making this a themepark ride but an uphill walk in snow. Look at it from the perspective of history that was made that day. Victory or loss don't matter - it's all about fun. There won't be another day like this. Whatever side you were on, you participated in a unique event that won't repeat itself. You helped shape the lore of the world while playing the game. The only people who really lost weren't those who died or didn't make it to the staging system - they were those who quit or didn't attend. Think how awesome the fact is that you supported the faction you liked against the odds, struggling to reach the target against incompetence of your leaders and lack of information. If CCP intended to get you all there in one piece, they'd have teleported people or spawned an NPC titan with infinite stront and fuel to bridge everyone easily. They chose not to. (Also dear CCP can we get "I supported the Serpentis... AND THEN - BETRAYAL!" t-shirts? Or at least something to commemorate the outcome of the event.)
While I appreciate what you are saying from an IG perspective the fact of the matter is that this didn't just affect IG Characters this affected real people in their real lives. Yes, "EVE is real" and all that but you know as well as I do that this was a disaster.
I personally put in time of work due to CCP's propaganda regarding this event. That was my choice, correct, and had it been the event it was advertised to be for all involved then I would as previously stated been bragging to all and sundry of how awesome EVE Online is and that I was there I was part of something that took EVE forward (pre-determined outcome assured) and that I had fun doing it.
Instead of the above, my Corp Mate logged for the night, I spent 4 hours in TiDi hell and I was docked in Sarum Prime the night before so it wasn't even getting to the 1st staging system where my TiDi hell started. En-route info was filtered through from the 3 channels we had open "Intergalatic Summit", "Live Events" and "The Summit" along with Local, Fleet etc and OFC Twitter. 3 jumps out from Shedoo and it was all over according to the channels of which nothing much was being pushed through.
So while I appreciate that IG lore and the propaganda machine will spin this fantastically it makes no matter to the fact that CCP abused it's player base of paying customers for what would appear to be 'Office Entertainment' and failed to deliver a LIVE Event and the preparation required to host it. Therefore it should apologise to those people who did attend to try and add content and that changed their actual lives to enable this.
EDIT:
Oh and I was burning as fast as possible under 10% TiDi in a Drake with my fleet strung out over 4/5 systems I believe from around 1900hrs. Didn't even get to our RV in Shedoo to form up and head in before it was declared over. |

Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
23
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:39:00 -
[825] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except most people didn't take part in the lore. They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.
Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time. To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there.
No ... quite a few people in my fleet logged out and went and got their null alts because they realised the whole exercise was idiotic and they would never get there in time with the highsec fleets.
I personally logged out and went to work as I realised the thing was going to be a waste of one of my few available days off.
I gathered later the fleet never made it to the event so my decision was a good one. |

Raneru
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
65
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:45:00 -
[826] - Quote
Well I had a blast during the event, literally. Our lowsec system was on the shortest route to utopia, much camping fun was had . The entry gate was littered with wrecks. It was estimated that we had over 115 kills.
Great event, would participate again :)
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
503
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:49:00 -
[827] - Quote
Raneru wrote:Well I had a blast during the event, literally. Our lowsec system was on the shortest route to utopia, much camping fun was had  . The entry gate was littered with wrecks. It was estimated that we had over 115 kills. Great event, would participate again :) Congratulations, you had a gate camp. Still doesn't make it a Live Event.
From the PvP side, sure, PvP happened. From the Live Event side, it was a major screw up since the lore got made to look like a joke by CCP from this event. They should have written a chronicle & just run a massive PvP event. |

Deunan Tenephais
4
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:55:00 -
[828] - Quote
Shock Fist wrote:Quite frankly, that's a "Them" problem, not a CCP or "Us" problem. It's not about any "problem", he was posting that the plan was a failure, but with so little knowledge of nullsec there was simply no plan at all, at least coming from the players. CCP's plan, on the other hand, was blatantly a failure. |

Raneru
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
65
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Posted - 2013.11.09 23:57:00 -
[829] - Quote
Back in 2005 there was a nullsec event to stop serpentis stealing a titan. As a newb I went out there in an incursus with whatever crap was in my hanger thrown onto it to participate. First attempt, I was killed by a torp raven. Second attempt I got to it and fired a few shots off before being blown up and podded.
Bad time? I loved it! I found a nullsec corp to move to a few weeks later.
There will be scores of new players who will get into null as a result of this event. Not because it went successfully and they returned rich but because it was scary and challenging.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
503
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:01:00 -
[830] - Quote
Raneru wrote:Back in 2005 there was a nullsec event to stop serpentis stealing a titan. As a newb I went out there in an incursus with whatever crap was in my hanger thrown onto it to participate. First attempt, I was killed by a torp raven. Second attempt I got to it and fired a few shots off before being blown up and podded.
Bad time? I loved it! I found a nullsec corp to move to a few weeks later.
There will be scores of new players who will get into null as a result of this event. Not because it went successfully and they returned rich but because it was scary and challenging.
No, there won't. You know why there won't? Because in 2005 you actually got to the event. This time, the new players didn't get to the event, the event got declared finished before they even made it. And half of them got killed in gate camps on the way that weren't exciting, were just instant death.
2005 null was entirely different environment to 2013 null sorry to say & the event was dramatically different as well. |
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
52
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:17:00 -
[831] - Quote
I'm almost sorry I missed it. But then I've died in enough nullsec gate-camps to 100man blobs that I would probably not have experienced anything new. Did you know a nullsec defense fleet can get a gate camp up with bubbles and all in less than 10min? Even if it is just to catch two AFs they will get 20-50 people together and drop 20+ bubbles in 10min.
Hmmm You know maybe they're bored out of their skulls if they are *that* desperate. You think maybe CCP is afraid the nullseccers are getting bored and devised this to give them some action so they wouldn't leave the game because nullsec is too safe? 
Hahahahha nah, that would reek of competence on CCP's part.  |

Delileah Acharyn
SK Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:21:00 -
[832] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 your not so bad yourself  Compared to you sir, I'm a ******* saint! That said, I think I can see where this will go - CCP will announce the incompetence of fleet commanders as purposeful. The empires are bad for you: they tried to gather your help for a last, desperate push against an enemy they couldn't break themselves. They failed, big time - underestimating the capability and will of nullsec entities to defend their territories. Overestimating their ability to organize attacks.It's pointless to put artificial borders between "roleplay event" and actual history that happened. It wasn't a bunch of griefers ruining an event for their sick amusement. Sure, rear ends of many people met the boot at muzzle velocity that night but... likely many of those who administered the smacking were on the receiving end many, many times. A lot of that wasn't fair either - bombed off the field because FC didn't pay attention, slam into a bubble and get pipebombed without a chance to fight back, it's how things go. You trust a commander to lead you to victory and safety and sometimes he fails. So don't scream at CCP about not making this a themepark ride but an uphill walk in snow. Look at it from the perspective of history that was made that day. Victory or loss don't matter - it's all about fun. There won't be another day like this. Whatever side you were on, you participated in a unique event that won't repeat itself. You helped shape the lore of the world while playing the game. The only people who really lost weren't those who died or didn't make it to the staging system - they were those who quit or didn't attend. Think how awesome the fact is that you supported the faction you liked against the odds, struggling to reach the target against incompetence of your leaders and lack of information. If CCP intended to get you all there in one piece, they'd have teleported people or spawned an NPC titan with infinite stront and fuel to bridge everyone easily. They chose not to. (Also dear CCP can we get "I supported the Serpentis... AND THEN - BETRAYAL!" t-shirts? Or at least something to commemorate the outcome of the event.)
^ This
I thought the bold+italicised part when the event ended. Though my feelings were annoyance and frustration as a result of the tedious travelling through tidi with little to no information, it did very much feel like a perfect illustration of 'what not to do'.
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
187
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:22:00 -
[833] - Quote
More EXE in this thread than on TeamSpeak. We claimed sov in a forum thread! 
Shock, anchor the iHub...Trii, spam local with Fishbutt. 
Care bears, It may come at the end of a sharp tongue, but notice that our advice is....play more Eve, get better at Eve, make friends to fly with, come back and give us a good fight. That is hardly negative feedback, even if delivered in bittervet voice-over.
We've given our 'elite PvP' secrets away, and there is nothing magical or even difficult in any of it---- organization, well designed fleet composition, fleet roles beyond just DPS spammer, voice comms, getting out and flying together as often as possible, learning from loss rather than obsessing about winning.
Myth busted Many players believe the bar to entry in PvP is having 500 battleships and a pocket full of Titans,and end up avoiding it entirely. This event showed that anyone with a few good friends, decent fleet comps, good comms, and a solid FC, can absolutely tear the a$$ out of far bigger and more powerful fleets.
It should encourage people to PvP, not discourage them. Had a 1000 newbies been able to dominate just because of numbers, the myth of blobbing being the state of PvP would have been verified. Instead, all the blob in the world couldn't save the high sec fleets. Take heart in that- PvP is not something out of reach of anyone but giant alliances. It's absolutely within the reach of even die hard care bears with more alts than friends. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
870
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:51:00 -
[834] - Quote
Alaric Faelen wrote:Myth busted Many players believe the bar to entry in PvP is having 500 battleships and a pocket full of Titans,and end up avoiding it entirely. This event showed that anyone with a few good friends, decent fleet comps, good comms, and a solid FC, can absolutely tear the a$$ out of far bigger and more powerful fleets.
It should encourage people to PvP, not discourage them. Had a 1000 newbies been able to dominate just because of numbers, the myth of blobbing being the state of PvP would have been verified. Instead, all the blob in the world couldn't save the high sec fleets. Take heart in that- PvP is not something out of reach of anyone but giant alliances. It's absolutely within the reach of even die hard care bears with more alts than friends.
I think you've missed the point entirely and for that I can only apologise due the size of this thread but this isn't about "leet PvP skillz" or "Blob Wars" this was about being royally screwed over in RL time and effort by the sheer incompetence of CCP to organise a live event in that players actually got involved in the live event other than in TiDi.
If you had read some of the posts above this then you would know and this comes from a player with plenty of time IG and may seem bitter to you or sharp but it's not meant to.
I think your last insult confirms your attitude but you know what..."carebears" add content, they become half decent FC's, PvPers and bring other skills to Low\Null\WH's like "leet Industrialists" or perfect miners (you all need to make stuff and where does it come from) and when they take that leap they'll be taught how to operate in Null\WH's and Null Sec. All the Null Bloc did on 7-11 was shoot confused and misinformed people like fish in a barrel and not even that they were en-force. Please don't use this to showcase your "leet skillz" as it makes Null Bloc look pathetic and very bully-boy behaviour. I have respect for all types of play styles (well except gankers those scum lol) and neither should be belittled.
Points to bear in mind. |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:58:00 -
[835] - Quote
Asbjrn wrote:Killerjock wrote:Asbjrn wrote:Can anyone from the pissed off point of view please post what they did expect to happen in nullsec ? no bullshit just want to know You're missing the point. In nullsec, we expected to die. To fight and die, actually, at a live event target system. We expected also to actually get there. Of course, once you've jump-cloned, grabbed the cheap ship, flown to a freaking system, got into a fleet and waited half an hour... you're not going home. You know it's gonne be a big **** up but the evening is gone, you might as well have some fun. See the pretty sight before or while razor or whomever pods you. What I personally did not expect was to travel 10 hisec systems to get to the real staging point, which was 2 systems out from where I started when flying to meves. What I did not expect was not to have any information from CCP - I was in meves at 18.33 - never saw ONE line from CCP representative. Only people spreading rumors and an endless chat spam. Anyone else?
Its not about dying its about what happened before we left highsec. After finding out via TWITTER 1300+ had to jump 23 jumps through 10% tidi to get to the real staging system. When we left half of that was still trying to get there. Getting our own FC's still wouldnt of helped cause they wouldn't have known where to go either. I had no prob going null I like null, I made through all the gate camps it was fun. Its the way it was organised or lack of thats all. Getting blown up is part of eve its all about before we left highsec so idk what half you F1 monkeys keep saying its about losing ships when that isn't the issue, I'm sure 90% of players weren't expecting to come back in their ships. The problem is why should everyone have twitter open to find the real staging area, if they gave us more time the other half would of made it to the staging system. We can't just titan bridge in like you guys. |

Powers Sa
721
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:06:00 -
[836] - Quote
This thread is A+ numba 1, the best. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
870
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:23:00 -
[837] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Now you understand how nullsec players feel anytime there's a massive tidi battle and ccp kills the node and resets all progress, wasting almost 5-7 days of effort by all the players involved.
Now I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that EVE is offline for 30 minutes everyday and the only "reset" that I would know of would be a deployment\database rollback one which I've never heard of CCP doing this far, not even after Incarna.
If you're talking about lead up and preparation time then I can understand your frustration but they have put more measures in place to try to circumvent that with providing a way to give advance notice to CCP for node reinforcement prior to the fight, TiDi, etc but technological limitations will still apply. I really feel for people who are just disconnected in a major engagement and that's my honest felling on it.
This wasn't about a lack of technology this was about a complete clusterf*ck in communication, organisation and screwing over thousands of players AKA customers as some other companies regard them who had given their time to add\be part for the content that they had advertised it would be.
You've not really added to this thread except to say like so many others "na na na na na" and if you have issues with CCP and the nodes then suggest something in F&I. |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
262
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:39:00 -
[838] - Quote
It actually happened during the accidental "Q9PP" thing. CCP accidentally remapped the Z9PP node due to a typo in the script, trapped capitals wound up free and the battle ended right there.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
870
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:45:00 -
[839] - Quote
I have posted this as a template for others who feel as strongly as I do to contact their CSM representative either independently or with the below "template". I've added what I've sent for those that are time pushed but I urge anyone who feels strongly enough to contact their CSM.
CCP Live Event 07-11-13 From: Maximus Aerelius Sent: 2013.11.10 02:34 To: **********,
Hi ******,
As a member of the CSM I feel that I should bring this thread and events to your attention as I, and I believe the rest of the player base, are unaware if CCP or the CSM are watching or in direct discussion about the events that took place on 07-11-13:
Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of eve
I'll admit it takes some reading (42 pages) but I think a lot of what people have said is valid within and I'd appreciate the CSM looking into the matter either as our elected body and independently or in conjunction with CCP. The only update we've had thus far form CCP is from CCP Goliath:
Quote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.
Source: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3846152#post3846152
I'd appreciate any response but if you are "gagged" then I'll understand however I do feel quite strongly that CCP need to say something or provide the community AKA customers a deadline for their response as the lack of communication from them since 2013.11.08 12:47 just seems to be fuelling the discontent and rumour mongering about what happened along with leading some to believe that we were just abused for either "Live CLB Testing" or the worst "CCP Office Party Entertainment".
Regards and best wishes as always,
Max. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
870
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 02:49:00 -
[840] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:It actually happened during the accidental "Q9PP" thing. CCP accidentally remapped the Z9PP node due to a typo in the script, trapped capitals wound up free and the battle ended right there.
Wow! Thank you for that info and not flaming me for my lack of knowledge of everything . I remember a guy tripping the wrong switch and turning it all off quite a number of years back now...hence the "A Big Red Button" as a gift that some got I believe.
I can only sympathise with people in that situation as that would really suck...and I'd be raging. Just out of curiosity I'm guessing that a reason and apology was forthcoming from CCP?
EDIT:
Would it be this threadnaught of rage?
The apology came 20 minutes after the thread was opened and is on Page 3:
CCP Phantom wrote:In the attempt to improve the overall fight quality and node stability in the Z9PP system at 22:41 UTC by moving away all non-critical services from this node, our engineers unfortuntely made a mistake and actually moved the critical system from the current server node instead of moving all other systems. As result every pilot in this system lost connection to the node and therefore to Tranquility.
The system Z9PP is online and accessible again now.
It is extremely unfortunate to make such a mistake and we apologize deeply for disrupting one of the truly epic battles in the history of EVE; especially since this battle already raged on for several hours and was still heating up for more! We are very sorry about this incident and will make sure that such mistakes won't happen again.
Maybe there is some truth in the tinfoil hattery that CCP are just Null Bloc in black shirts after all or maybe they are considering their response. |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1453
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:03:00 -
[841] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:I have posted this as a template for others who feel as strongly as I do to contact their CSM representative either independently or with the below "template". I've added what I've sent for those that are time pushed but I urge anyone who feels strongly enough to contact their CSM.
CCP Live Event 07-11-13 From: Maximus Aerelius Sent: 2013.11.10 02:34 To: **********, Hi ******, As a member of the CSM I feel that I should bring this thread and events to your attention as I, and I believe the rest of the player base, are unaware if CCP or the CSM are watching or in direct discussion about the events that took place on 07-11-13: Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of eveI'll admit it takes some reading (42 pages) but I think a lot of what people have said is valid within and I'd appreciate the CSM looking into the matter either as our elected body and independently or in conjunction with CCP. The only update we've had thus far form CCP is from CCP Goliath: Quote:Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience. Source: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3846152#post3846152I'd appreciate any response but if you are "gagged" then I'll understand however I do feel quite strongly that CCP need to say something or provide the community AKA customers a deadline for their response as the lack of communication from them since 2013.11.08 12:47 just seems to be fuelling the discontent and rumour mongering about what happened along with leading some to believe that we were just abused for either "Live CLB Testing" or the worst "CCP Office Party Entertainment". Regards and best wishes as always, Max.
Actually. one of the CSM members, in Jester's Trek blog, details reasonably well what happened, and there are a LOT of posts to that blog. Of course, we have other CSM members, who represent the null sec cartels, who are absolutely giddy over what happened.
So the CSM and CCP are both aware what happened.
Some may care. Most don't. Some are actively trying to permanently convert all of high sec into the mayhem that occurred.
Only way to stop the insanity is to stop paying CCP. I have been down to one active account for over a year, and am seriously considering stopping even this one (and the null sec cartel propaganda teams rejoice).
I urge everyone who can, stop one paying for one of your accounts for one month, and let CCP know specifically why you have. |

Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
87
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:07:00 -
[842] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I urge everyone who can, stop one paying for one of your accounts for one month, and let CCP know specifically why you have. You have my sword. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
871
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 03:19:00 -
[843] - Quote
So to summarise on my previous point of the incident relating to Z9PP and drawing comparisons to this incident:
Incident regarding Z9PP:
@2013.07.04 22:45 Rage thread opened @2013.07.04 23:06 initial apology less than 1.5 hours after this event a Tweet apology @2013.07.04 23:31 40 minutes after his initial apology and CCP Phantom again apologises @2013.07.04 23:44 Another from CCP Phantom @Posted: 2013.07.05 00:40 CCP Falcon closes the thread and redirects to official apology thread.
So in comparison we have heard nothing apart from a "Yeah, we might look into this, thanks for your feedback" from CCP but when they do the same thing to Null Sec you get the above timeline? That thread was 32 pages long before it was locked and the official apology and explanation posted in less than 2 hours from it being opened.
How they managed the fallout from Z9PP was so much better than this and I cannot describe how badly this "LIVE Event" and aftermath has been handled. This is now over 54 hours and on-going and what have we heard?
There's something fishy about the 7th of the month it seems. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1454
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:29:00 -
[844] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:So to summarise on my previous point of the incident relating to Z9PP and drawing comparisons to this incident:
Incident regarding Z9PP:
@2013.07.04 22:45 Rage thread opened @2013.07.04 23:06 initial apology less than 1.5 hours after this event a Tweet apology @2013.07.04 23:31 40 minutes after his initial apology and CCP Phantom again apologises @2013.07.04 23:44 Another from CCP Phantom @Posted: 2013.07.05 00:40 CCP Falcon closes the thread and redirects to official apology thread.
So in comparison we have heard nothing apart from a "Yeah, we might look into this, thanks for your feedback" from CCP but when they do the same thing to Null Sec you get the above timeline? That thread was 32 pages long before it was locked and the official apology and explanation posted in less than 2 hours from it being opened.
How they managed the fallout from Z9PP was so much better than this and I cannot describe how badly this "LIVE Event" and aftermath has been handled. This is now over 54 hours and on-going and what have we heard?
There's something fishy about the 7th of the month it seems.
This is also part and parcel with the fact that high sec is not organized enough to field a strong CSM contingent, to make our voices heard. We have one extremely weak high sec rep (supposedly high sec), and that's it.
If high sec actually filled the CSM with the proportion of high sec players that exist in the game, plus actually had ANY CCP dev's / employees that came from high sec, the response from CCP would be vastly different. |

Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
189
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:33:00 -
[845] - Quote
Quote:I think you've missed the point entirely and for that I can only apologize due the size of this thread but this isn't about "leet PvP skillz" or "Blob Wars" this was about being royally screwed over in RL time and effort by the sheer incompetence of CCP to organise a live event in that players actually got involved in the live event other than in TiDi.
--no one is debating that point. TiDi is somewhat unavoidable given such large fleets, but was made much worse by having a long route to travel. They obviously reinforced the target systems, as there was almost no TiDi at all even with massive furballs going on. But being impractical to do that all along the routes, should have planned for much shorter travel. I understand your frustration with that. and I'm sure CCP has taken note. Move on.
Quote:I think your last insult confirms your attitude but you know what..."carebears" add content, they become half decent FC's, PvPers and bring other skills
--Not an insult, just a snarky way of making what is a positive point....that the myth that to PvP requires either billion isk ships or huge blobs is demonstrably false. The most common excuses given as to why people don't PvP is that it's out of reach for anyone not in a huge alliance, or that it's all just about blobs- and neither is remotely true. What I am saying is- care bears are not forever removed from meaningful PvP, it's actually not that hard to make a good showing by just playing with a few people and playing well.
Also, if you FC, PvP, and bring other skills, as you say, then you are, by definition, NOT a care bear. Manufacturing is not creating content, it is creating stuff for PvP'ers and a few brave high sec'ers to create content with. Do not confuse the two.
Quote: Please don't use this to showcase your "leet skillz" as it makes Null Bloc look pathetic and very bully-boy behaviour.
--Now I know you didn't actually read my post.
Did you not notice the same quotation marks to denote sarcasm that you yourself just friggin used? Seriously? Literally used quotes to mock something I just used quotes to mock. |

Anomaly One
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:39:00 -
[846] - Quote
Quote: Manufacturing is not creating content, it is creating stuff for PvP'ers and a few brave high sec'ers to create content with. Do not confuse the two.
wow |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
871
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:53:00 -
[847] - Quote
Alaric Faelen wrote:[--Now I know you didn't actually read my post.
Did you not notice the same quotation marks to denote sarcasm that you yourself just friggin used? Seriously? Literally used quotes to mock something I just used quotes to mock.
Actually I did and while I only quoted part of it for sake of clarity I can only apologise if it wasn't read in the tone it was written.
My reply was well intention if abrupt and I wholeheartedly agree that PvP doesn't require billions of ISK but does require some financial backing to replace those ships you are most definitely going to lose but in the meanwhile learning and hopefully enjoying. I'm glad that we agree on some if not all of the points.
I'm not into forum sparring as it's very late here now (0352hrs)but my reply was well intentioned if not well phrased and apologies again if you thought I hadn't read all of your post. |

CERA Elitist
Temporal Guard
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:03:00 -
[848] - Quote
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Countess Lamorei
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:52:00 -
[849] - Quote
One ironic point seems to be that the empire forces had two npc ships on there side, and the nulseccers in effect had twenty faction battleships on theirs...
Nulscreamers... CCP did actually have character NPC's lead some of the fleets, those FC's were simply put terrible, knew the camps were ahead, and still ordered there rag tag fleet that was spread out over many systems to and I quote "Jump through and burn out of the bubbles" No orders from them about targeting any of the dic's, you know to perhaps stop more bubbles or anything. They really were just there to push the mass through without thought.
Highbears... And I do mean the clueless bears. Yes CCP screwed you, from what I hear those who went to the combat training earlier were even scarily told by CCP that they thought 80-90% of attendants would live.. so yeah you got screwed. Take from this also that when it comes to capsuleer strength, highsec is weak, and not just a little weaker but more like, your the scrawny kid and nul is a grenade. In the sarum part, that blob that caused so much damage was at a serious guess only something like 10-15% of cfc(goonies) sub capital strength, and while being the largest nulsec bloc they are far from the only major entity out there.
CCP did take control of many participants as fleet FC's, thus taking responsibility for those pilots, in that they FAILED. They also planned a route to the objective at least from the sarum end, right through a cfc staging system, another failure. Tidi caused many to never even get anywhere near the event before it ended, let alone start. Just sad really.
I do very much see the "lore" behind this event, the empires are starting to crumble and what not, and I think many empire players do start to see that, but a hell of a lot involved wont see the "empires" at fault but CCP, and rightfully so.
Everyone keeps asking the empire forces "What did you expect" nah thats the wrong people to be asking.
CCP should be the ones answering that question, what exactly did they expect to happen.
The answer either shows the live event team are either completely clueless on the game mechanics as well as anything about nulsec... or They really did just organise an event for thousands of clueless highbears to be effortlessly slaughtered by nulsec players, and yes I do also live in nul more than FW, and seriously nulbuds, chestbeating about the turkey shoot is beneath the skills and accomplishments of being in null. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:16:00 -
[850] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.
That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.
Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3 Since you have utterly failed at reading comprehension let me enlighten you as to the actual thrust of most of the 'high sec' complaints. CCP told us where to stage, no further information until after the event had started. We were staged 20-40 jumps from the end destination (Sarum Prime people had to move about 40 overall). Then gave only intermediate destinations along the way with limited options of routes. Fleets moving along those routes were typically in 10% TiDi. Individuals could obviously break out faster but moving in a coherent fleet that wasn't going to get ganked 1 by 1 meant TiDi. CCP then started the 'event' well before any of the fleets from high sec had a chance of getting to their destinations, had the Empire flee from the field mere minutes after, & declared the event ended entirely before most fleets were even into null sec. In contrast, the 'pirates' got staged one system from the destination, and local sov holders already had large forces in the doril region due to existing fighting. Meaning that the 2000+ (I'd say 3000+ initially from what I saw) High sec players who were attempting to attend the event got denied by CCP's decision on starting & finishing the event before they could even get near the target system due to TiDi warps along a massive convoy route. That is what the rage is about. It's not tears over loosing ships, every fleet I know of was advised they would loose ships, anyone who asked in Live Events before hand was told they would almost certainly be going to Low or Null by older hands at Live Events. But we expected the opportunity to at least participate in the event, not be denied simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to give us the time to get there when they had to know how long it would take us.
I would just like to state for the record that the route from Sarum Prime to the destination system was NOT 40 ******* jumps. It was 23 to ihal and 5 more to the destination...if my math is correct hat is 28 bloody jumps NOT 40. Quit ******* exagerating, honestly that is a prime example of idiocy at its best. i arrived in Sarum Prime 20 minutes early, system filled and went into tidi. When I read the tweet I immediately moved out, didnt wait for conformation and as a result traveled 23 jumps where only 4 systems were TiDi rest were plain jane travel. I followed FC orders, I joined CCP's fleet, I brought an appropriate ship, and this amazing thing happened. I survived long enough to reach the facility and get some shots on it before i died.
Some people were bringing ******* battleships, shuttles, and noobs ships as if they were just going to innocently watch the event in hostile space. Common sense says if your destination is null sec that there WILL be bubbles. Sooo dont bring a ******* battleship that is slow and cant burn out of them, bring a cruiser with MWD. It doesnt take rocket science here. As for information available...live events arent supposed to be CCP guiding you 100% of the way. Live events is a situation where CCP introduces a catalyst situation, an event that kicks off some conflict (be it pve, pvp, or both) and then allows the players to mold the event and its outcome.
I think CCP did their job here, they got the fleets together, they had a goal...reach the research facility, they disclosed the fact that we WOULD be going into hostile space...null sec, they gave commands in each phase (like saying there is a massive bubbled camp on the other side of this gate, jump through and burn out of bubbles and warp.) You want CCP to bridge you from high sec to destination system bypassing any threats just so you can bash a facility in under 20 minutes? Seriously mate, you need to find another game. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:18:00 -
[851] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Raneru wrote:Well I had a blast during the event, literally. Our lowsec system was on the shortest route to utopia, much camping fun was had  . The entry gate was littered with wrecks. It was estimated that we had over 115 kills. Great event, would participate again :) Congratulations, you had a gate camp. Still doesn't make it a Live Event. From the PvP side, sure, PvP happened. From the Live Event side, it was a major screw up since the lore got made to look like a joke by CCP from this event. They should have written a chronicle & just run a massive PvP event.
It was indeed a live event, live events arent supposed to be like watching a film, you have to be involved. I think a lot of players are confused on what a live event actually is. It is lore happening live while players have a chance to participate OR ruin it. That choice is the fundamental concept for a sandbox game like eve. To deny that choice would make it NOT a live event. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 07:22:00 -
[852] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Raneru wrote:Back in 2005 there was a nullsec event to stop serpentis stealing a titan. As a newb I went out there in an incursus with whatever crap was in my hanger thrown onto it to participate. First attempt, I was killed by a torp raven. Second attempt I got to it and fired a few shots off before being blown up and podded.
Bad time? I loved it! I found a nullsec corp to move to a few weeks later.
There will be scores of new players who will get into null as a result of this event. Not because it went successfully and they returned rich but because it was scary and challenging.
No, there won't. You know why there won't? Because in 2005 you actually got to the event. This time, the new players didn't get to the event, the event got declared finished before they even made it. And half of them got killed in gate camps on the way that weren't exciting, were just instant death. 2005 null was entirely different environment to 2013 null sorry to say & the event was dramatically different as well.
Just to clarify on this fact 2005 did not have NEARLY as many players attending these events as there are now. This presents a problem when 4-5000 people want to run an event in 2 systems. You didnt get to the event before it was declared finished...I was in luminere before it started, server restarted and when i logged in i could get in the system, as a result I could do that event even though I was there on time. However, I will tell you what I didn't do, come ranting on the forums about how unfair and a disadvantage it was. I accepted the fact I could not run the event and moved on.
The amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth over this event is just a prime example of how a lot of player who play this game anymore expect CCP to solve their issues for them rather then empowering themselves to do it. |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:24:00 -
[853] - Quote
Quote:When I read the tweet I immediately moved out This is the point twitter was not stated as a requirement of the event... But like you I read it and moved out. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 07:30:00 -
[854] - Quote
Cpt Tenguru37 wrote:Quote:When I read the tweet I immediately moved out This is the point twitter was not stated as a requirement of the event... But like you I read it and moved out.
The eveonline website is not a requirement to participate in the event either, but if you want information and you want to stay on top of **** you browse there and read...just like twitter. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
49
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 08:19:00 -
[855] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there.
It's fun that you say so - you were not travelilng with us, were you?
So now since you can't actually find an argument to oppose our complaints, you now turn to saying "it's as it should be because the RP reasons are those" - well, in my opinion this is even worse. Being incompetent can happen - everyone fucks up every once in a while. DELIBERATELY setting up 2000+ players to act as NPC would be an insult. I do not play CCP to use me as entertainment for others. If that IS the case, CCP went far beyond a **** up.
Quote:No ... quite a few people in my fleet logged out and went and got their null alts because they realised the whole exercise was idiotic and they would never get there in time with the highsec fleets.
Exactly my point.
Quote:I'm almost sorry I missed it. But then I've died in enough nullsec gate-camps to 100man blobs that I would probably not have experienced anything new.
Another of our point of contention.
Quote:Care bears, It may come at the end of a sharp tongue, but notice that our advice is....play more Eve, get better at Eve, make friends to fly with, come back and give us a good fight. That is hardly negative feedback, even if delivered in bittervet voice-over.
That's good advice. But it has nothing to do with a live event.
Be extra sure that if I'm ever part of a "retaliation" force, you'll have to know that we're coming through your intel - and not on twitter; you won't know 24hrs before where we're staging or what route we'll take... and sure as hell we won't slowboat 23 jumps with the entire fleet through hostile territory! :P
Quote:It should encourage people to PvP, not discourage them.
If all of them were experienced enough to know what happened, yes. This has no impact on my perception of PVP, because I've done it before at different levels. But consider half of those 2000 got there and did not realize what happened. Might be hard to go so far back, but if you think about your first fleet fights, how much of what happened did you really perceive? These guys went there for an event and found themselves slaughtered by a superior force in terms of ships (most of us were flying lolfitted cheapships), of numbers (since we got there "trickling"), and of organization (that was quite obvious).
There was no event for most of us. We can have that kind of **** any day - and have a better time: we'll organize with friends or come soloing, without advertising the time and place 2 hours in advance. |

ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
73
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:25:00 -
[856] - Quote
We all knew it was going to be in or near Utopia in Curse because of the announcement. We also knew when many hours in advance.
A simple inspection of the in game map would have revealed that Senday is only 2 jumps from ihal in hi sec and along with Doril, Utopia, Jorund, Litom and Hemin all sport NPC stations with a good local market. Hemin and Litom also have cloning facilities and as such there probably isn't another null sec area quite so user friendly in all of Eve and was probably chosen because of this. The final system R-MOC has no stations and this is potentially perfect for an all out brawl.
It is beyond me that with all this information at hand folks still chose to form up in hi sec and move in a completely inappropriate fleet size to a few different staging systems,suffering TDI all the way. And also monitoring Twitter for updates?? before trying to enter Curse in a such massive and attractive blob? Safety in numbers perhaps? in all honesty i am really surprised that we didn't see SC hot drops.
If you have cussed at CCP for a poor event here then shame on you for being a complete mindless lemming and expecting support for your insane expectations from anyone who actually knows what Eve is. CCP are not FC's or military genius's and if you've ever attended any of there other events or tests you would know this. They give us the toys to have a good time and how we use them is up to us.
Thanks CCP for trying and don't let the insane posts in this thread put you off doing it again. We need more of these. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1533
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:02:00 -
[857] - Quote
Hmm, forum ate my post.
This issue really should be fixed by CCP. |

Goeben II
Zombie Apocalypse Redux
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 10:51:00 -
[858] - Quote
I just want to thank CCP, with their recent live event, for helping me realize that this game no longer has anything left for me. My only complaint is that this "live event" was way to elaborate. You could have simply sent me an email telling me to " **** off " and I assure you I would have gotten the hint. Thanks again and have another shot on me. |

Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:02:00 -
[859] - Quote
Octoven wrote:You want CCP to bridge you from high sec to destination system bypassing any threats just so you can bash a facility in under 20 minutes? Seriously mate, you need to find another game a nullbear alliance.
fixed |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4490
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 11:20:00 -
[860] - Quote
Lord Xander wrote:The PitBoss wrote:Subject says it all. 10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime) 10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal) Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention No real communication from gm/event host Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event ONLY to include those people in the end. I want that hour of my life refunded to me  Good Job CCP ... NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in PS: Please point me in the direction of this post to remind me why I shouldnt bother in another live event ... thats like evry day in 0.0, and you are welcom. see you on the next one. <3
So, people should be as dumb as you are and pay for such shoddy quality game time every day?
Nope, people have better things to do than perma-TiDi, headless directions and F1 hotkey driven blobbing. |
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
203
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:25:00 -
[861] - Quote
Hopefully CCP WILL answer the issues raised, but just trying to get through what really happened here without nullsqwark and leetspeak.
The expectation was this would be more like an organised event like a school trip, where you expect the teachers to manage the risk while giving you the feeling of having an adventure.
What actually happened,was if it happened on Earth, the pupils were marched from Paris to vienna and spread out all in a line, when they reached there, they were then marched into Russia, and dumped into the siege of Stalingrad.
And then expecting them to appreciate Russian culture and cuisine.
Yeah, that worked out well.
The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim. |

Constantin Baracca
211
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:38:00 -
[862] - Quote
There's a common thread here from a few people (I'm not going to single anyone out with a quote) that all the hisec players who joined the event needed to read, research, and play more so that they could make the event more entertaining for themselves.
If you're saying that to play EVE, you need to make sure it is your first and only hobby, so much so that you'll have to do forum and intel research just to make it to a live event before it's over, you've been in null too long. Plenty of us play EVE once or twice a week for a few hours because we have other things to do. When CCP makes an event and invites people in, they can't believe their luck that they'll get to do something. When they say they're leading them into nullsec, they're ecstatic that they're finally going to get to go into null and see what it's like.
When CCP has an ADD moment and just forgets about leading the fleet, and they essentially lose their ships in one shot to an orchestrated gate camp after hours of just trying to get from gate to gate, at best, they're going to be utterly disappointed and wonder what the point of nullsec play actually is. At worst, they're going to figure that is the endgame and be done with EVE altogether.
I mean, if you didn't want those people playing, then that's fine. But those people have a right to be absolutely disgusted with CCP's handling of the event and its aftermath, and I can't really blame them if they just write off nullsec as a boring, time-dilated mess rather than the barren desert that it usually is.
Either way, I can't imagine that pissing off a significant portion of their subscription holders was what CCP wanted to do with this event and the blame for it falls squarely on their shoulders. They were the ones who organized the fleet, they were the ones with the NPC FCs, they were the ones who are ultimately to blame when the fleet had a massive logistics deficiency. Really, the logistics are what everyone is complaining about. They understood that they were flying into a place they would almost certainly lose their ship in, they just didn't figure CCP would make sure they took hours to never reach the target, and then that they would mostly lose their ships in the kinds of gate camps they could just as easily have flown into themselves on a Thursday night if they'd really felt like it.
Can you really ask the people who were there to learn more about the game so that it's more fun next time? Why on Earth would anyone who just experienced nullsec for the first time that way ever bother? If anything, CCP just exacerbated the problem they have where people who aren't into nonstop FFA PVP are staying in hisec or finding more versatile games to play. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4490
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 11:43:00 -
[863] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote: The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim.
Well, blaming the victim is the most popular sport to find excuses to make violence to women, why do you think they'd think different in something as unimportant as a game?
I have not read most of this thread because it's easy to imagine what's written.
The truth? There's been some studies that proved that failure leaves a 2.8 times stronger memories than success. This is of course a genetic derived safeguard mechanism (pushing living beings at strongly avoiding the dangers).
So, if you take 3,000 guys with neutral expectations about EvE and subject them to a slaugther with no way to defend or retaliate, all you'll get is some hundreds who will want to try again but thousands that will hate the experience and become even more "uncurable and strenghtened" hi-seccers.
So, if CCP's plans were to make more players become true adventurers (RP and not), they F A I L E D big time. |

Kappy Ukap
K For Kill
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 11:44:00 -
[864] - Quote
CCP still hasn't given an apology yet for all of this.
I know many newbies who started EVE recently quitted due to the result of this event.
What the solution might be is to all gather up and protest like people did when they were not happy with Incarna. Remember by slowing down the servers deliberately to protest about it? |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4490
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 11:46:00 -
[865] - Quote
Kappy Ukap wrote:. Remember by slowing down the servers deliberately to protest about it?
These days that's not called a protest. These days it's simply playing the game. TiDi slows it for you.  |

Kappy Ukap
K For Kill
4
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:47:00 -
[866] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Kappy Ukap wrote:. Remember by slowing down the servers deliberately to protest about it? These days that's not called a protest. These days it's simply playing the game. TiDi slows it for you. 
Umm, there was no such thing as TiDi when Incarna was out... But people complain TiDi is game breaking anyway soo... |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:55:00 -
[867] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hopefully CCP WILL answer the issues raised, but just trying to get through what really happened here without nullsqwark and leetspeak.
The expectation was this would be more like an organised event like a school trip, where you expect the teachers to manage the risk while giving you the feeling of having an adventure.
What actually happened,was if it happened on Earth, the pupils were marched from Paris to vienna and spread out all in a line, when they reached there, they were then marched into Russia, and dumped into the siege of Stalingrad.
And then expecting them to appreciate Russian culture and cuisine.
Yeah, that worked out well.
The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim.
You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
205
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:11:00 -
[868] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hopefully CCP WILL answer the issues raised, but just trying to get through what really happened here without nullsqwark and leetspeak.
The expectation was this would be more like an organised event like a school trip, where you expect the teachers to manage the risk while giving you the feeling of having an adventure.
What actually happened,was if it happened on Earth, the pupils were marched from Paris to vienna and spread out all in a line, when they reached there, they were then marched into Russia, and dumped into the siege of Stalingrad.
And then expecting them to appreciate Russian culture and cuisine.
Yeah, that worked out well.
The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim. You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
Very very clearly so, I think It would be a very good time for CCP to make very clear their views on their customer base. If they wish to treat their customers in this manner to encourage the antisocial,depraved,and uncaring side of the game, that is their right, and they will no doubt retain the customers who find it easier to express themselves in this "game" than real life. They can introduce, sexual depravity, torture and bestiality too because eve is hard. If however they wish to have customers that are not current or future residents of prisons and mental hospitals they may need to look at their priorities and policies?
I personally believe and hope this was a major clusterfrack, or the work of a few rougue developers/managers.
I really really hope so because there is also a lot of good in this game. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4490
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 12:20:00 -
[869] - Quote
Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in.
Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable".
Because I have played MMOs that died after people realized they were just that: farmables, quasi-NPCs put in a game to please immortal elite other guys. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:21:00 -
[870] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hopefully CCP WILL answer the issues raised, but just trying to get through what really happened here without nullsqwark and leetspeak.
The expectation was this would be more like an organised event like a school trip, where you expect the teachers to manage the risk while giving you the feeling of having an adventure.
What actually happened,was if it happened on Earth, the pupils were marched from Paris to vienna and spread out all in a line, when they reached there, they were then marched into Russia, and dumped into the siege of Stalingrad.
And then expecting them to appreciate Russian culture and cuisine.
Yeah, that worked out well.
The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim. You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online. Very very clearly so, I think It would be a very good time for CCP to make very clear their views on their customer base. If they wish to treat their customers in this manner to encourage the antisocial,depraved,and uncaring side of the game, that is their right, and they will no doubt retain the customers who find it easier to express themselves in this "game" than real life. They can introduce, sexual depravity, torture and bestiality too because eve is hard. If however they wish to have customers that are not current or future residents of prisons and mental hospitals they may need to look at their priorities and policies? I personally believe and hope this was a major clusterfrack, or the work of a few rougue developers/managers. I really really hope so because there is also a lot of good in this game.
See, unfortunately you don't get it mate. It is a game, not real life. Stop making it sound as if its the end of the world. CCP didn't treat their customers in any manner, I did not once see a CCP dev character shooting me. They set the stage and we went with it. If everyone chose to live in lala land and assume that CCP would hold their hands and walk them through null sec protecting them, then it seems clear to me that such people need a reality check.
What I am seeing from most people is the same pattern, like a spoiled child screaming he took my toy QQ. If you can't handle the way eve is played...find another game its as simple as that. I am truly fascinated at how butt hurt people really are about this. You make it sound like your best friend just shot you in the leg or something and betrayed you. Least you forget its a game, stop taking it so personally, learn from the experience and try again. Whining about it on the forums doesn't solve this issue nor does it reverse what has happened. What is done is done, next time try collaborating with your fellow high sec players to learn strategy. Strolling through null space isnt the same as doing Guristas Ex.
CCP devs were interviewed sometime after the incursion live events. They stated even back then, that live events allows them to introduce a situation or scenario and then step back and see what happens. If you are unhappy with your experience then there is a simple solution to it...dont do any more live events. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:24:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in. Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable". Because I have played MMOs that died after people realized they were just that: farmables, quasi-NPCs put in a game to please immortal elite other guys.
Im not sure about you then because I formed up in high sec to fly with empires and managed to get several shots off before dying. You have to bring the right ship and pay attention. Was there a chance at success? Hell no, but I went anyway because I love challenges and that is something this event certainly offered. |

Constantin Baracca
211
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:33:00 -
[872] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in. Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable". Because I have played MMOs that died after people realized they were just that: farmables, quasi-NPCs put in a game to please immortal elite other guys. Im not sure about you then because I formed up in high sec to fly with empires and managed to get several shots off before dying. You have to bring the right ship and pay attention. Was there a chance at success? Hell no, but I went anyway because I love challenges and that is something this event certainly offered.
So you'd completely understand if everyone who thought the event was a baffling display of incompetence on the part of CCP and was disappointed by every second of it unsubscribed because, according to that logic, this game isn't fun for them?
I have a feeling CCP is praying to tapdancing Jesus that isn't the case, because they make a lot of money from those people who now have a very negative view of endgame content.
However the game is "supposed" to be, when CCP says you'd be assisting imperial and CONCORD fleets I think most players took them at their literal word. A lotf those people had never seen a gate camp before, and plenty had never been in nullsec in a fleet before.
But I suppose if they don't like the event, and the event represents what EVE is really like, those people should just stop wasting their time if they didn't like it and leave the game. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
206
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:36:00 -
[873] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hopefully CCP WILL answer the issues raised, but just trying to get through what really happened here without nullsqwark and leetspeak.
The expectation was this would be more like an organised event like a school trip, where you expect the teachers to manage the risk while giving you the feeling of having an adventure.
What actually happened,was if it happened on Earth, the pupils were marched from Paris to vienna and spread out all in a line, when they reached there, they were then marched into Russia, and dumped into the siege of Stalingrad.
And then expecting them to appreciate Russian culture and cuisine.
Yeah, that worked out well.
The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim. You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online. Very very clearly so, I think It would be a very good time for CCP to make very clear their views on their customer base. If they wish to treat their customers in this manner to encourage the antisocial,depraved,and uncaring side of the game, that is their right, and they will no doubt retain the customers who find it easier to express themselves in this "game" than real life. They can introduce, sexual depravity, torture and bestiality too because eve is hard. If however they wish to have customers that are not current or future residents of prisons and mental hospitals they may need to look at their priorities and policies? I personally believe and hope this was a major clusterfrack, or the work of a few rougue developers/managers. I really really hope so because there is also a lot of good in this game. See, unfortunately you don't get it mate. It is a game, not real life. Stop making it sound as if its the end of the world. CCP didn't treat their customers in any manner, I did not once see a CCP dev character shooting me. They set the stage and we went with it. If everyone chose to live in lala land and assume that CCP would hold their hands and walk them through null sec protecting them, then it seems clear to me that such people need a reality check. What I am seeing from most people is the same pattern, like a spoiled child screaming he took my toy QQ. If you can't handle the way eve is played...find another game its as simple as that. I am truly fascinated at how butt hurt people really are about this. You make it sound like your best friend just shot you in the leg or something and betrayed you. Least you forget its a game, stop taking it so personally, learn from the experience and try again. Whining about it on the forums doesn't solve this issue nor does it reverse what has happened. What is done is done, next time try collaborating with your fellow high sec players to learn strategy. Strolling through null space isnt the same as doing Guristas Ex. CCP devs were interviewed sometime after the incursion live events. They stated even back then, that live events allows them to introduce a situation or scenario and then step back and see what happens. If you are unhappy with your experience then there is a simple solution to it...dont do any more live events.
You really really cannot understand can you?
The issue is one of culture.
Is it one where they wish to limit the game to a very restricted sandbox that only caters to a very few, addmittedly rather strange vocal customers?
Or do they wish to have a wider audience or range of customers. The quieter customers who play this game for other reasons than an as an outlet for feelings that would get them locked up, are the majority of their paying customers, if not the loudest.
All we want to know is do we wish to continue financing the survival of this company..
I think that is clear enough.
As I have repeatedly said there is enough good in this game that I really hope that there is a place for us in this game.And we can continue to support it. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:40:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Octoven wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in. Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable". Because I have played MMOs that died after people realized they were just that: farmables, quasi-NPCs put in a game to please immortal elite other guys. Im not sure about you then because I formed up in high sec to fly with empires and managed to get several shots off before dying. You have to bring the right ship and pay attention. Was there a chance at success? Hell no, but I went anyway because I love challenges and that is something this event certainly offered. So you'd completely understand if everyone who thought the event was a baffling display of incompetence on the part of CCP and was disappointed by every second of it unsubscribed because, according to that logic, this game isn't fun for them? I have a feeling CCP is praying to tapdancing Jesus that isn't the case, because they make a lot of money from those people who now have a very negative view of endgame content. However the game is "supposed" to be, when CCP says you'd be assisting imperial and CONCORD fleets I think most players took them at their literal word. A lotf those people had never seen a gate camp before, and plenty had never been in nullsec in a fleet before. But I suppose if they don't like the event, and the event represents what EVE is really like, those people should just stop wasting their time if they didn't like it and leave the game.
It wouldn't be the first time in ten years someone has quit this game because of the learning curve or the challenge. Not EVERY player who went was new and some of those commenting on the forums about how it sucked has been in eve long enough to have had an opportunity to experience some for of pvp or gate camps. My point is, if you are unwilling to fail and learn to become a better player then perhaps you should unsub or simply choose never to involved yourself with "endgame" content.
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Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:41:00 -
[875] - Quote
Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
Yes, this is a harsh game where hilariously tragic things can happen. That is definitely part of the attraction, the ability to watch/participate in the occasional essentially organic trainwreck, and - I"ll keep saying this until I'm blue in the portrait - I'd wager that most event participants were aware of the possibility that their could happen and didn't bring their top-end ships. I don't think anyone expected a 'field trip,' and I think to state that most of them did is to do them an unnecessary disservice and missing the point. I think the people who want to play in Equestria are already there, not here.
The expectation of some direction... I don't know that this expectation was as unreasonable as you claim, because CCP NPCs did briefly provide that 'handholding,' pulling them towards the gates over a series of long ti-di jumps, telling them to meet and regroup at Stacmon, etc. while the players tried to organize into armor and shield fleets. Then Ti-di started breaking up an already thrown-together fleet... and then the developers seemingly got bored and called the event over before most of the rest could even make it.
The bigger "Expectation" was that we would get to participate in an event shaping the Eve universe. But what many of us got was an hourlong slog through ti-di, followed by either getting destroyed in moments in nullsec - or getting the "Whoops, we didn't need you, the station self-destructed, so sorry!" message while still in lowsec, and so very few players got to lay a finger on the actual event site, much less have any influence over events. I
Again: It's not that ships got destroyed. That is a facet of Eve most of us are aware of. Some ships got destroyed - but everyone from empire space had time wasted to no end whatsoever, and at the behest of developers. Lots of people took time off work for what turned out to be a nonevent or a utterly pointless ship loss.
I emphasize developers in the last paragraph because if a bunch of players had flown a thousand hi-sec players right into a deathtrap, I'd actually applaud that. It'd be con-man brilliant if some wily fox actually pulled that off, and anyone who followed thBut having developers lead players of wildly varying experience levels right into a fruitless timesink/deathtrap under the guise of an event just feels like cheating.
However, I'm not quite with the camp that thinks CCP wanted this to go anything like the way it did. Consider that If CCP really planned for this to happened the way it did, that would mean that the central message would be "Next time CCP stages an event, don't trust them, don't participate, or at least run away the moment anything looks fishy." Which... frankly sounds kind of like an insane message for them to try to put forward, don't you think? I don't think they intended to actively discourage event participation. Never attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to incompetence, and all that: I think someone just screwed up bigtime.
I mean, seriously? Can you name another game where you are actively supposed to mistrust the developers' directions? "Don't trust anyone, even the devs" supposed to be the second rule of EVE, after "Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it?"
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:48:00 -
[876] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hopefully CCP WILL answer the issues raised, but just trying to get through what really happened here without nullsqwark and leetspeak.
The expectation was this would be more like an organised event like a school trip, where you expect the teachers to manage the risk while giving you the feeling of having an adventure.
What actually happened,was if it happened on Earth, the pupils were marched from Paris to vienna and spread out all in a line, when they reached there, they were then marched into Russia, and dumped into the siege of Stalingrad.
And then expecting them to appreciate Russian culture and cuisine.
Yeah, that worked out well.
The fault begins and ends with the organisers, I am disgusted with the attitude and culture of blaming the victim. You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online. Very very clearly so, I think It would be a very good time for CCP to make very clear their views on their customer base. If they wish to treat their customers in this manner to encourage the antisocial,depraved,and uncaring side of the game, that is their right, and they will no doubt retain the customers who find it easier to express themselves in this "game" than real life. They can introduce, sexual depravity, torture and bestiality too because eve is hard. If however they wish to have customers that are not current or future residents of prisons and mental hospitals they may need to look at their priorities and policies? I personally believe and hope this was a major clusterfrack, or the work of a few rougue developers/managers. I really really hope so because there is also a lot of good in this game. See, unfortunately you don't get it mate. It is a game, not real life. Stop making it sound as if its the end of the world. CCP didn't treat their customers in any manner, I did not once see a CCP dev character shooting me. They set the stage and we went with it. If everyone chose to live in lala land and assume that CCP would hold their hands and walk them through null sec protecting them, then it seems clear to me that such people need a reality check. What I am seeing from most people is the same pattern, like a spoiled child screaming he took my toy QQ. If you can't handle the way eve is played...find another game its as simple as that. I am truly fascinated at how butt hurt people really are about this. You make it sound like your best friend just shot you in the leg or something and betrayed you. Least you forget its a game, stop taking it so personally, learn from the experience and try again. Whining about it on the forums doesn't solve this issue nor does it reverse what has happened. What is done is done, next time try collaborating with your fellow high sec players to learn strategy. Strolling through null space isnt the same as doing Guristas Ex. CCP devs were interviewed sometime after the incursion live events. They stated even back then, that live events allows them to introduce a situation or scenario and then step back and see what happens. If you are unhappy with your experience then there is a simple solution to it...dont do any more live events. You really really cannot understand can you? The issue is one of culture. Is it one where they wish to limit the game to a very restricted sandbox that only caters to a very few, addmittedly rather strange vocal customers? Or do they wish to have a wider audience or range of customers. The quieter customers who play this game for other reasons than an as an outlet for feelings that would get them locked up, are the majority of their paying customers, if not the loudest. All we want to know is do we wish to continue financing the survival of this company.. I think that is clear enough.This is really a rubicon moment for this company, their choice is completely clear and their response is a Rubicom moment for many many people. As I have repeatedly said there is enough good in this game that I really hope that there is a place for us in this game.And we can continue to support it.
No I completely understand; however, culture is irrelevant. There are players from all over the globe every walk of life and culture who play eve. They aren't restricted to one form of play or another. I would no more say russian players are pure pvp and americans pure pve then I would say this game is about culture.
While eve is a sandbox and has pvp and pve opportunities. The game is primarily pvp it always have been and always will be. pvp drive conflict and keeps the game in a constant state of flux, without it...the game stagnates and dies. Therefore pvp is a leading factor in the game and its development. No one twisted your arm to force you to participate. Live events are just different parts of the game similar to pi, fw, missions, mining, and ect... Live events are centered around conflict and thus REQUIRE pvp activity. If you choose to unsub your account because ONE function of the game is not as YOU want it to be then best of luck to you because live events will always be geared toward conflict. I mean for **** sake, Luminere was in high sec yet anyone who went in got flagged suspect. If you want to participate in the events, expect to die...period. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
210
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:49:00 -
[877] - Quote
Kyria Shirako wrote:Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
Yes, this is a harsh game where hilariously tragic things can happen. That is definitely part of the attraction, the ability to watch/participate in the occasional essentially organic trainwreck, and - I"ll keep saying this until I'm blue in the portrait - I'd wager that most event participants were aware of the possibility that their could happen and didn't bring their top-end ships. I don't think anyone expected a 'field trip,' and I think to state that most of them did is to do them an unnecessary disservice and missing the point. I think the people who want to play in Equestria are already there, not here. The expectation of some direction... I don't know that this expectation was as unreasonable as you claim, because CCP NPCs did briefly provide that 'handholding,' pulling them towards the gates over a series of long ti-di jumps, telling them to meet and regroup at Stacmon, etc. while the players tried to organize into armor and shield fleets. Then Ti-di started breaking up an already thrown-together fleet... and then the developers seemingly got bored and called the event over before most of the rest could even make it. The bigger "Expectation" was that we would get to participate in an event shaping the Eve universe. But what many of us got was an hourlong slog through ti-di, followed by either getting destroyed in moments in nullsec - or getting the "Whoops, we didn't need you, the station self-destructed, so sorry!" message while still in lowsec, and so very few players got to lay a finger on the actual event site, much less have any influence over events. Again: It's not that ships got destroyed. That is a facet of Eve most of us are aware of. Some ships got destroyed - but everyone from empire space had time wasted to no end whatsoever, and at the behest of developers. Lots of people took time off work for what turned out to be a nonevent or a utterly pointless ship loss. I emphasize developers in the last paragraph because if a bunch of players had flown a thousand hi-sec players right into a deathtrap, I'd actually applaud that. It'd be con-man brilliant if some wily fox actually pulled that off, and anyone who followed them deserved more or less what they got. But having developers lead players of wildly varying experience levels right into a fruitless timesink/deathtrap under the guise of an event just feels like cheating. However, I'm not quite with the camp that thinks CCP wanted this to go anything like the way it did. Consider that If CCP really planned for this to happened the way it did, that would mean that the central message would be "Next time CCP stages an event, don't trust them, don't participate, or at least run away the moment anything looks fishy." Which... frankly sounds kind of like an insane message for them to try to put forward, don't you think? I don't think they intended to actively discourage event participation. Never attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to incompetence, and all that: I think someone just screwed up bigtime. I mean, seriously? Can you name another game where you are actively supposed to mistrust the developers' directions? "Don't trust anyone, even the devs" supposed to be the second rule of EVE, after "Don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it?"
Thanks a nice intelligent post.
I also believe it was a horrific mistake and not the intentional choice of the company to self destruct. I really really genuinely hope so. I love this game and get a great deal. Of enjoyment from it. If the intention is to twist it into a nullsec on steroids though where the only content is bigger blobs? Or more PvP, you would seriously have to question the sanity and business abilities of the company. Ccp have responded very rapidly in the past to placate the vocal organised blocks, do they not realise that the quieter ones have a breaking point? |

Deunan Tenephais
7
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:53:00 -
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Are really some people not seeing a problem in CCP, the company managing the game, not being seen as trustworthy by customers ? |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:55:00 -
[879] - Quote
Deunan Tenephais wrote:Are really some people not seeing a problem in CCP, the company managing the game, not being seen as trustworthy by customers ?
The alternative would be to not be involved at all and thus alienate yourself from your playerbase. I think event or not we can all agree that would be detrimental to the game as a whole. |

Anomaly One
Hedion University Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:56:00 -
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Quote: "Don't trust anyone, even the devs"
this is the core issue here, never in any game I played that a company publicly does something like this, and I think it has already been adressed with CCP silence, they told us to **** off with this event, well at least we got star citizen now.
I mean look at him
Quote: It wouldn't be the first time in ten years someone has quit this game because of the learning curve or the challenge. Not EVERY player who went was new and some of those commenting on the forums about how it sucked has been in eve long enough to have had an opportunity to experience some for of pvp or gate camps. My point is, if you are unwilling to fail and learn to become a better player then perhaps you should unsub or simply choose never to involved yourself with "endgame" content.
LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH this is the kind of player CCP wants, the illiterate who after 44 pages still misses the entire point of our "whining" And then when explained to him another one shows up, I just.. just.. lol.
CCP told us the truth, not in written word, we are not welcome here. Don't expect a reply. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:59:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Quote: "Don't trust anyone, even the devs" this is the core issue here, never in any game I played that a company publicly does something like this, and I think it has already been adressed with CCP silence, they told us to **** off with this event, well at least we got star citizen now. I mean look at him Quote: It wouldn't be the first time in ten years someone has quit this game because of the learning curve or the challenge. Not EVERY player who went was new and some of those commenting on the forums about how it sucked has been in eve long enough to have had an opportunity to experience some for of pvp or gate camps. My point is, if you are unwilling to fail and learn to become a better player then perhaps you should unsub or simply choose never to involved yourself with "endgame" content. LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH this is the kind of player CCP wants, the illiterate who after 44 pages still misses the entire point of our "whining" And then when explained to him another one shows up, I just.. just.. lol. CCP told us the truth, not in written word, we are not welcome here. Don't expect a reply.
No I get and understand all the whining, from my point of view though its drastically un-needed. There has been wayyyy too much drama-festing over the negatives of this event. |

Constantin Baracca
212
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:03:00 -
[882] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:Octoven wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Octoven wrote: You are certainly correct here, most high sec players expected this to be a field day trip where the teacher holds your hands and shows you pretty things. However, this game is NOT anything like that and those expecting something like that SHOULD be disappointed before it even starts. We arent playing hello kitty online.
I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in. Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable". Because I have played MMOs that died after people realized they were just that: farmables, quasi-NPCs put in a game to please immortal elite other guys. Im not sure about you then because I formed up in high sec to fly with empires and managed to get several shots off before dying. You have to bring the right ship and pay attention. Was there a chance at success? Hell no, but I went anyway because I love challenges and that is something this event certainly offered. So you'd completely understand if everyone who thought the event was a baffling display of incompetence on the part of CCP and was disappointed by every second of it unsubscribed because, according to that logic, this game isn't fun for them? I have a feeling CCP is praying to tapdancing Jesus that isn't the case, because they make a lot of money from those people who now have a very negative view of endgame content. However the game is "supposed" to be, when CCP says you'd be assisting imperial and CONCORD fleets I think most players took them at their literal word. A lotf those people had never seen a gate camp before, and plenty had never been in nullsec in a fleet before. But I suppose if they don't like the event, and the event represents what EVE is really like, those people should just stop wasting their time if they didn't like it and leave the game. It wouldn't be the first time in ten years someone has quit this game because of the learning curve or the challenge. Not EVERY player who went was new and some of those commenting on the forums about how it sucked has been in eve long enough to have had an opportunity to experience some for of pvp or gate camps. My point is, if you are unwilling to fail and learn to become a better player then perhaps you should unsub or simply choose never to involved yourself with "endgame" content.
I'm actually kind of interested in the perceived challenge of EVE. It was bandied around a lot when I started, but it's not necessarily a hard game to play. In fact, the larger and better organized your fleet, the simpler gameplay gets. I wouldn't in any way, shape, or form call it challenging. Ikaruga was challenging. Ninja Gaiden was challenging.
Even WoW players need more than a few F keys and doing as the FC commands. They at least need to learn to reactively hit keys in sequence without standing in fire. I suppose FW can be more complicated since it's generally done with smaller ships and fleets. It can certainly be time-consuming. The interface presents most of the challenge to learn and deal with. Fitting and skills are the sorts of things you just look up online, so that's not any different than any other game you need to read about gear and skills in.
But the game? Is the game really that hard and does it really have such a drastic learning curve? When I was going to try to recruit a few new players, that was pretty much the reason. People describe it in needlessly over-complicated ways and play up the difficulty, but in the end it's not like you need to learn to perform an Immelman. It's all just finding a decent fit and learning how to control range and speed. After that, find a corp and everything becomes simple.
I can't really recruit people now in good faith, and I'm probably not re-subscribing once mine falls off. If that event was a good approximation of what passes as "normal" in EVE, then the game's not hard. The game is tedious. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
210
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:03:00 -
[883] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Quote: "Don't trust anyone, even the devs" this is the core issue here, never in any game I played that a company publicly does something like this, and I think it has already been adressed with CCP silence, they told us to **** off with this event, well at least we got star citizen now. I mean look at him Quote: It wouldn't be the first time in ten years someone has quit this game because of the learning curve or the challenge. Not EVERY player who went was new and some of those commenting on the forums about how it sucked has been in eve long enough to have had an opportunity to experience some for of pvp or gate camps. My point is, if you are unwilling to fail and learn to become a better player then perhaps you should unsub or simply choose never to involved yourself with "endgame" content. LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH this is the kind of player CCP wants, the illiterate who after 44 pages still misses the entire point of our "whining" And then when explained to him another one shows up, I just.. just.. lol. CCP told us the truth, not in written word, we are not welcome here. Don't expect a reply. No I get and understand all the whining, from my point of view though its drastically un-needed. There has been wayyyy too much drama-festing over the negatives of this event.
Anomaly one you are completely correct, could not imagine he could then post this!
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2458
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:04:00 -
[884] - Quote
Constantin Baracca wrote:(...)
I have a feeling CCP is praying to tapdancing Jesus that isn't the case, because they make a lot of money from those people who now have a very negative view of endgame content.(...).
They make an average of 10.6 dollars per subscriber and month, and that includes GTCs and PLEXes, which are more expensive than subscriptions.
If I had a subcription based game that made me 3/5 of a subscription per subscriber and month, I would not be bragging around... neither does CCP. |

Arn Dog
63
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:17:00 -
[885] - Quote
Have we actually heard anything back from them on this yet other than "thanks for feedback"? Their Twitter has also been awfully quiet since the event. They cant all still be hungover from their event party can they!??? lol |

Hugh Focker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:17:00 -
[886] - Quote
Quote:I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in.
Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable".
How i feel about this.
I got to experience two jumps of tiDi @ 10% and then left and I'm glad i didn't stay around.
Before I deleted my 3 month old char (https://zkillboard.com/character/93846671/), I went on a trip.
I have unsubbed over this, but unfortunately I still have 250 odd days of playtime left (bought a year to save money, now wish i hadn't').
I have tried low sec with Brave Newbies and I never felt able to defend myself if i wasn't in a blob. I was also constantly nervous and scared when out travelling on my own. In Brave Newbies i felt farmable so i left.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2458
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:20:00 -
[887] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Have we actually heard anything back from them on this yet other than "thanks for feedback"? Their Twitter has also been awfully quiet since the event. They cant all still be hungover from their event party can they!??? lol
It's weekend and they only work mon-fri unless there's an emergency.
And no, this mess isn't an emergency. |

Arn Dog
63
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:23:00 -
[888] - Quote
Hugh Focker wrote:Quote:I don't think they were expecting a field day trip. They were expecting to participate in something where to have a good time. You know, something worth participating in.
Die in a fire? Sure, as long as one gets the perception he fired one shot, the perception he was not a "farmable". How i feel about this. I got to experience two jumps of tiDi @ 10% and then left and I'm glad i didn't stay around. Before I deleted my 3 month old char (https://zkillboard.com/character/93846671/), I went on a trip. I have unsubbed over this, but unfortunately I still have 250 odd days of playtime left (bought a year to save money, now wish i hadn't'). I have tried low sec with Brave Newbies and I never felt able to defend myself if i wasn't in a blob. I was also constantly nervous and scared when out travelling on my own. In Brave Newbies i felt farmable so i left.
No disrespect as your a newer player. But i have been saying this in the general forums since the event went wrong. It is not the older chars we need worry about but those newer to the game. Most newer players don't have the capitol to be able to take a BB hit and pod and play any longer. That coupled with the way the event was handled causes major problems.
I am an experienced Eve player. However i keep hearing people go on about "how all H.S should knave know all the Null politics" Well sorry but most newer chars in your boat wouldn't have a clue of even where to look about the null politics let alone understand who is who. This is a major part of why so many followed aimlessly into Doril. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1534
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:24:00 -
[889] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Have we actually heard anything back from them on this yet other than "thanks for feedback"? Their Twitter has also been awfully quiet since the event. They cant all still be hungover from their event party can they!??? lol
Do not mention Twitter in front of Octoven  |

Arn Dog
63
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:25:00 -
[890] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Have we actually heard anything back from them on this yet other than "thanks for feedback"? Their Twitter has also been awfully quiet since the event. They cant all still be hungover from their event party can they!??? lol Do not mention Twitter in front of Octoven 
LMAO |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
872
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:26:00 -
[891] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:It's weekend and they only work mon-fri unless there's an emergency.
And no, this mess isn't an emergency.
So "screwing over" 3000 paying customers and a vOv isn't an emergency while the below was classed as top priority.
Maximus Aerelius wrote:So to summarise on my previous point of the incident relating to Z9PP and drawing comparisons to this incident:
Incident regarding Z9PP:
@2013.07.04 22:45 Rage thread opened @2013.07.04 23:06 initial apology less than 1.5 hours after this event a Tweet apology @2013.07.04 23:31 40 minutes after his initial apology and CCP Phantom again apologises @2013.07.04 23:44 Another from CCP Phantom @Posted: 2013.07.05 00:40 CCP Falcon closes the thread and redirects to official apology thread.
So in comparison we have heard nothing apart from a "Yeah, we might look into this, thanks for your feedback" from CCP but when they do the same thing to Null Sec you get the above timeline? That thread was 32 pages long before it was locked and the official apology and explanation posted in less than 2 hours from it being opened.
How they managed the fallout from Z9PP was so much better than this and I cannot describe how badly this "LIVE Event" and aftermath has been handled. This is now over 54 hours and on-going and what have we heard?
Justify that if you can cos I'd love to see you try. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
239
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:28:00 -
[892] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Have we actually heard anything back from them on this yet other than "thanks for feedback"? Their Twitter has also been awfully quiet since the event. They cant all still be hungover from their event party can they!??? lol Do not mention Twitter in front of Octoven 
No its ok, I am on facebook rampage today  |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1467
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:18:00 -
[893] - Quote
Deunan Tenephais wrote:Are really some people not seeing a problem in CCP, the company managing the game, not being seen as trustworthy by customers ?
Looks like all my comments about CCP being run by people closely aligned with the null sec cartels for the benefit of the cartels looks a less "tinfoil" these days, huh? |

Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
88
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:26:00 -
[894] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Looks like all my comments about CCP being run by people closely aligned with the null sec cartels for the benefit of the cartels looks a less "tinfoil" these days, huh? I tend to be of the opinion that if the tinfoil rumours were true, they'd put a lot more effort into trying to hide it. Then again, I might just be a blind optimist or expecting them to be more competent than they are at this sort of thing.  |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
262
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:46:00 -
[895] - Quote
For reference, from the standpoint of nullsec "cartels"
- We got info about the remote possibility of being involved mere hours prior to the event. - We didn't get info about the actual combat area from the get go either. - Our own fleet formed up 20 minutes before the start of the event. |

Shock Fist
Deadly Shadow Clan Executive Outcomes
34
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:52:00 -
[896] - Quote
Not only did we form up 20 minutes before the event started, but we also had no clue what to expect beyond "The unwashed hordes of capsuleers with some NPC people" flying kitchen sink. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1470
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:38:00 -
[897] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:For reference, from the standpoint of nullsec "cartels"
- We got info about the remote possibility of being involved mere hours prior to the event. - We didn't get info about the actual combat area from the get go either. - Our own fleet formed up 20 minutes before the start of the event.
LOL.....let's see. I read the Forces of Evil post by CCP hours before the whole thing started, and put together a suicide Vexor. People gathering Sarum Prime said "no way they will run this thing down to Utopia, or FD-, we are too far away". Then the call to send the people in Sarum Prime to Ihal. I took one look at the map, and stood down.
Then after several hours of TiDi'ed travel, the high sec group got to Doril, one jump from where the dev's instructed you in their Forces of Evil post to assemble.
Of course, the fact that a great big chunk of null sec was already deployed there with heavy combat ships for a war was a mere co-incidence, and CCP really did not clue in that null sec had virtually zero logistics to do to prepare for this attack. |

Deunan Tenephais
12
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:47:00 -
[898] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Are really some people not seeing a problem in CCP, the company managing the game, not being seen as trustworthy by customers ? Looks like all my comments about CCP being run by people closely aligned with the null sec cartels for the benefit of the cartels looks a less "tinfoil" these days, huh? I would not go as far as imply CCP sent players to slaugther to entertain other players, all are customers and CCP need money to not go bust, like any company. When I wrote "not being seen as trustworthy" I meant it as "unreliable", like in "not being worthy of the trust in their capacity to act reliably". |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1470
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:49:00 -
[899] - Quote
Oh, and BTW folks, for those wondering why CCP is taking so long to respond to this debacle, you must cut them some slack. You know it is the weekend, and they have much more important things to do.
You know, like how SEVEN CCP dev's are guest-spotting on a panel hosting a null sec PvP tourney that caters to about 150 null sec pilots, on THE TEST SINGULARITY SERVER, USING THE RUBICON CHANGES.
You know, have to keep your priorities straight.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:53:00 -
[900] - Quote
Deunan Tenephais wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Are really some people not seeing a problem in CCP, the company managing the game, not being seen as trustworthy by customers ? Looks like all my comments about CCP being run by people closely aligned with the null sec cartels for the benefit of the cartels looks a less "tinfoil" these days, huh? I would not go as far as imply CCP sent players to slaugther to entertain other players, all are customers and CCP need money to not go bust, like any company. When I wrote "not being seen as trustworthy" I meant it as "unreliable", like in "not being worthy of the trust in their capacity to act reliably". While not good, that would still allow players to continue playing,whilst if the original accusation proved to be true, that would be impossible.
I hope CCP can clear up this horrendous mess with some honesty and plain communication, while dealing with the issues. Very very worrying though.It is hard to believe that such a thing could be, I really hope not. But from what happened it is understandable why some are coming to this conclusion. |
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Deunan Tenephais
12
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:02:00 -
[901] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:While not good, that would still allow players to continue playing,whilst if the original accusation proved to be true, that would be impossible. Some players would go on playing as if nothing has happened, but some others would quit on the spot, some did already after this sad affair. Many people simply would not agree with buying/renting/subing/whatevering the product of an unreliable company, only to avoid being burned when the company mess up. |

Saska Samar
Shipy RnD Sailors of the Sacred Spice
4
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:16:00 -
[902] - Quote
I didn't attend this event so you'll have to forgive the lack of perceived tears.
After reading this thread I won't be attending the next Live Event and this appears to be a common theme for HS folk.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
214
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:48:00 -
[903] - Quote
Deunan Tenephais wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:While not good, that would still allow players to continue playing,whilst if the original accusation proved to be true, that would be impossible. Some players would go on playing as if nothing has happened, but some others would quit on the spot, some did already after this sad affair. Many people simply would not agree with buying/renting/subing/whatevering the product of an unreliable company, only to avoid being burned when the company mess up.
I hope that rather than unsubscribing now that most will wait for CCPs reaction. If satisfactory, then we can put it behind us and play on. I believe that if however their reaction should prove the accusations or fail to credibly answer them then there will be a situation where many will simply use up their existing time and never give another cent. There are many more principled people in this world than is assumed, they may not be the most vocal but a loss of a customer is one step to bankruptcy or layoffs with the loss of most it is guaranteed. |

Elfaen Ethenwe
Eternal Rising Executive Outcomes
18
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:07:00 -
[904] - Quote
Ive always thought eve was over-populated with people who didint understand the game mechanics, I'm very glad this event has shown people what the nullsec empires face EVERYTIME we go to war. Maybe they wont ***** so much when we haxploit fill the CSM with our candidates and ask for better servers. The event was fine, the servers are not.
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Deunan Tenephais
13
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:08:00 -
[905] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:I hope that rather than unsubscribing now that most will wait for CCPs reaction. If satisfactory, then we can put it behind us and play on. I believe that if however their reaction should prove the accusations or fail to credibly answer them then there will be a situation where many will simply use up their existing time and never give another cent. There are many more principled people in this world than is assumed, they may not be the most vocal but a loss of a customer is one step to bankruptcy or layoffs with the loss of most it is guaranteed. It will be decided by CCP reaction to the event. I hope there will be one, if not then it would be the worst case scenario. And it's not even about principles, it's simply not in the customer's best interest to pay for an seemingly unreliably-driven long-term entertainment product. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
240
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:11:00 -
[906] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and BTW folks, for those wondering why CCP is taking so long to respond to this debacle, you must cut them some slack. You know it is the weekend, and they have much more important things to do.
You know, like how SEVEN CCP dev's are guest-spotting on a panel hosting a null sec PvP tourney that caters to about 150 null sec pilots, on THE TEST SINGULARITY SERVER, USING THE RUBICON CHANGES.
You know, have to keep your priorities straight.
Well to be fair, I wouldn't expect them to post on this situation on the weekend no matter what they were doing. Posting on forums is what they do during work hours. Unless the server was going down every few seconds and could not stay live...and then id expect weekend work lol Feedback just doesn't qualify as an emergency scenario though. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
147
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:25:00 -
[907] - Quote
Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.
First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.
The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events, I need to point out that this is a very major issue for anyone planning events.
My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.
Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
220
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:31:00 -
[908] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.
First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.
The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events.
My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.
Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.
Thanks, nice clear post. i really hope it proves to be just incompetence, and I agree we should give CCP. A chance to explain themselves, I enjoy this game, but being able to have some trust in the ethics of the companies I give my money to is far far more important. I hope the concerns can be put to rest and we can move on.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
876
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:33:00 -
[909] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.
First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.
The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events.
My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.
Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.
A very good summary and thoughtful response as I have read many if not most of the posts. I've seen their tear thread when the node was turned of and can truly say if was a disaster but as you can see form the time line they got there apologies more than once within 2 hours and a full thread report. Now that was just pixels that I could say "but it was also peoples RL time that they would've spent doing the same thing anyway" and be on my way.
It seems that CCP doesn't give the Hi-Sec community the same regard or level of service that the Null Blocs get. Plain and simple as you can see form the timeline on the Z9PP that I posted. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
147
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:41:00 -
[910] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.
First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.
The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events.
My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.
Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships. A very good summary and thoughtful response as I have read many if not most of the posts. I've seen their tear thread when the node was turned of and can truly say if was a disaster but as you can see form the time line they got there apologies more than once within 2 hours and a full thread report. Now that was just pixels that I could say "but it was also peoples RL time that they would've spent doing the same thing anyway" and be on my way. It seems that CCP doesn't give the Hi-Sec community the same regard or level of service that the Null Blocs get. Plain and simple as you can see form the timeline on the Z9PP that I posted.
I have to agree with you there, the mistype issue was a simple error and easy to take blame for, however this event is more complicated, I do however feel that they could say sorry for setting it up so that so many people ended up jumping over multiple systems for hours in 10% TiDi and therefore missed the event and I really cannot understand why CCP have not come out and said that
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Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:36:00 -
[911] - Quote
Dear CCP,
You have live event tools that we, as players, have no access to if we were to make this successful.. We can create anything out of our imagination, but, are only limited to what a GM or Live Event coordinator finds "interesting" (ie the freighter filled with helium that destroyed a Sansha WH during that event).
Give us those tools. Allow us to properly create the 'scene' as it were, enveloping it into whatever Lore direction you want. Tell us where to go when we have the tools.
The clusterfuck that was this recent live event was a testament that you leave too much to the player, but, put the tools to do so, in the hands of someone with no real direction of how to take it. You, CCP, control the Empire (and faction) plots. This is why all the rage is against you. You guys muffled the line between being 'so meta', and actually following some sort of storyline in-game. We can do it, but, you guys dropped the ball in making this less meatshieldy and more interesting for a bulk of the players.
There was no direction, and I'd have hapilly lost my covops ship to null-sec if there was some sort of actual goal, instead of firing on what seemed to be an invulnurable object in space.
We'll leave the balancing to you. Give us live events.
All we need are the tools. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
511
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:18:00 -
[912] - Quote
No way, they will not give us any tools to do that. CCP does not like to share power. |

Darian en Chasteaux
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:19:00 -
[913] - Quote
 
To The New Player>>>
and everyone else for that matter...
it was as it was...I too was let down but I was here a year ago for 3 months and left and yes I would have had a sour taste in my mouth...
ans this is the very reason WHY, I dont just sit around and MAKE ISK:
http://www.twitch.tv/cdr_zeta
I STREAM ...but not only do I stream...I tell a story...I DONT SPOIL this game and I WARN about SPOILERS and believe me there are TONS of spoilers...so if New Players want to get spoilt then so be it....While I do agree with the most part and I understand the concerns here, I am not just sitting around idly browsing stuff like this...it is depressing
You VETs are bored cause there is no PvP and you go out an look for it; that is what you do...
Yes the CCP event so stated seemed I dont know what the word is...a ploy?
Wrongfully intended? I certainly hoped it was a hi-sec event...I was saddened...but look what I did (mind you I had a few months on me and good skills)...but I went in there like I was supposed to: PARTICIPATE.
Now you all go off and do something useful in Eve, dont complain and give constructive criticism and then do your own thing to make Eve whatever it is you want to make it...that is the 'Eve Forte' so leave it alone.
Darian 
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Louise Beethoven
Hedion University Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:24:00 -
[914] - Quote
LMAO CCP leads high-sec carebears into a trap like lambs to the slaughter
Just hilarious and you can bet CCP are laughing too
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Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
59
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:27:00 -
[915] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.
First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.
The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events, I need to point out that this is a very major issue for anyone planning events.
My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.
Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.
Quoting to increase the likelihood CCP will read this.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
509
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:30:00 -
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Louise Beethoven wrote:LMAO CCP leads high-sec carebears into a trap like lambs to the slaughter
Just hilarious and you can bet CCP are laughing too
And well done being ANOTHER PERSON MISSING THE POINT.
High sec rage (for the most part) is nothing to do with the fact we died. Heck, the FCORD fleet did a deliberate whelp to take as many as we could out on the way at the end. High sec rage is about the fact that CCP gathered us for an epic live event, then trailed us around through TiDi, jumped ahead and started the event nearly an hour before most fleets actually made it through the TiDi to the target, and had declared the event over and the pirates won before we even got there. I mean, WTF!
Just write a chronicle if that's going to be the event, then advertise a Dev run PvP roam whelp fleet instead into null sec. Because 95% of the High Sec people did not get an event. That's over 2000 people who turned up for EVE Lore who got left hanging in the wind by CCP, while upstairs they were all laughing & partying to a live stream of the gate camps. |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:43:00 -
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Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters. The larger groups, i.e power blocs would organize themselves and wouldn't care if they all died but i'll tell you one thing, everyone would have enjoyed it a lot more with proper planning.
btw k.i.s.s is great but...
proper planning prevents **** poor performance
The better organized these events, the more fun and who knows, maybe one day a 10,000 player slugfest...
P.s don't listen to the dullbears or those ping-pvp-warriors, most wouldn't know their arse from their elbow and unless they are told what ship to fly in, which button to press and how to press it they are pretty harmless - oh hey, now theres an idea..... |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
53
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:15:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:I hope that rather than unsubscribing now that most will wait for CCPs reaction. If satisfactory, then we can put it behind us and play on.
That was my plan but frankly? Every time there is a problem with the game and I want to say something, I have to fight through hordes of holier than thou people who expect me to explain and justify my choice to live and play in hisec. I don't have to.
The fun thing is that, in my view, CCP had made a mistake. But listening to these guys, I'm starting to think maybe they did not; maybe I did.
Nullsec is endgame? I have been in RAZOR for about a month - no secrets, it's in my history. I loved the company, the support and organization were incredible, and sure as hell you couldn't get bored. Nullsec was fun. I would tell anyone - go play with those guys. But I can't live in null and be a factor, I'd be a deadweight. My eve-friends are still there, and I talk to them very rarely - because they are busy. Much as I'm sorry about that, I don't have that kind of time to spend on this game anymore.
If that means I should be playing hello kitty online, well **** you I'll go play HKO - I'm quite sure I can play that or the plethora of other nice games out there without having to fight to reaffirm my right to play however the **** I want.
And feel free to think your **** is 5 inches bigger than mine for that, lol.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
239
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:29:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:I hope that rather than unsubscribing now that most will wait for CCPs reaction. If satisfactory, then we can put it behind us and play on. That was my plan but frankly? Every time there is a problem with the game and I want to say something, I have to fight through hordes of holier than thou people who expect me to explain and justify my choice to live and play in hisec. I don't have to. The fun thing is that, in my view, CCP had made a mistake. But listening to these guys, I'm starting to think maybe they did not; maybe I did. Nullsec is endgame? I have been in RAZOR for about a month - no secrets, it's in my history. I loved the company, the support and organization were incredible, and sure as hell you couldn't get bored. Nullsec was fun. I would tell anyone - go play with those guys. But I can't live in null and be a factor, I'd be a deadweight. My eve-friends are still there, and I talk to them very rarely - because they are busy. Much as I'm sorry about that, I don't have that kind of time to spend on this game anymore. If that means I should be playing hello kitty online, well **** you I'll go play HKO - I'm quite sure I can play that or the plethora of other nice games out there without having to fight to reaffirm my right to play however the **** I want. And feel free to think your **** is 5 inches bigger than mine for that, lol. Please wait until after the weekend, The nullsquawk does get to one, but there are only a few vocal imbiciles that spawn over everything. They are not all the game or even the Majority, Most of the residents of any area of eve are intelligent, thoughtful people, I also have spent time in Null and the people I met were great people,All the blocks no matter how bad their reputation have many good people.There are those who in real life if they were not playing from prison or a mental hospital will be one day.no help for those just let them stay in the middle of the blue donut grring at each other while most of null gets on with the main game. Let CCP answer, Hopefully they will give a good answer, and we can move on. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4281
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:35:00 -
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El Jin'meiko wrote:Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters.
That is spot on, IMHO.
Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow.
What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude? |
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El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
2
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:09:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:El Jin'meiko wrote:Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters. That is spot on, IMHO. Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow. What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?
Lets be fair the events marketing was aimed at Joe Public, not at the powerblocs.
RvB and Uve Uni have pretty much been doing that sort of thing for a long time now, I personally don't have the experience to be able to tell you but I'd put money on those groups.
A live event intended to be of any real magnitude and value should have a run up in the general area its to be organized, an event like this is better ran over a short period of time, I would have chose Derelik (low & high) as well as curse, this would have given ALL of the player base equal knowledge of an impending event. If CCP we're serious about live events they would have options for this, lead up events could be things like killing 'angels' POS anchored in highsec (with actors defending & giving the option to angels fans to turn up in rep ships), I wont bang on, like I said I would have personally taken many steps. Inc. somehow ensuring all time zones got a piece of the pie (proper application of PR team, language assistants). |

Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:El Jin'meiko wrote:Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters. That is spot on, IMHO. Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow. What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?
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Raneru
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
65
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:18:00 -
[923] - Quote
Jean-Paul Hutchinson wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:El Jin'meiko wrote:Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters. That is spot on, IMHO. Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow. What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?
I agree with both of u. The original news item simply stated a date, time and systems to go to. How you got there was up to you. No one said you had to form up in a big-ass fleet in Sarum prime and tidi your way thru systems in your shiniest ship.
Personally, If I'd have wanted to go I'd have been there hours earlier in a ship that stood a chance of getting there and didn't break the bank if it died.
This event is similar to what most nullsec pilots face each time they log in. Every jump you make there is a chance of death. If you choose to follow an FC there is a chance it will end badly. You make the choice, live with the outcome and move on while trying to learn from the experience.
If there is this much of a back lash from these events then CCP will either pull them completely or go back to small events that happen randomly with no notification, then report on the outcome post-event. |

Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
25
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:25:00 -
[924] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
To be perfectly honest if there was any ploy involved on CCPs part it was almost certainly an attempt to artificially generate one of those "largest space battle in history" headlines that have previously been good for subs.
However they do also seem to have completely forgotten they banned caps and supercaps from hisec meaning there is not and never realistic can be a totally highsec player alliance that is willing or able to take on null alliances. Hence highsec involvement in null generally takes the form of roams, mining barge ganking and ninja looting in null systems - not large fleet battles. Highsec experience of fleet battles is mainly FW and incursions which are quite a different type of thing ... no sane person would bring an incursion fleet to a nullsec PvP event. |

Kiryen O'Bannon
Equal Opportunity Haterz H-K Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:27:00 -
[925] - Quote
We can learn 2 things from this debacle:
1) Nullseccer's are perfectly ok with CCP feeding other players to them to kill. Next live event should involve something tricking every other nullsec alliance into ganging up on the Goons,a nd then giveing the Goons CONCORD ships, or something. I predict many nullsec tears.
2) Nullseccer's have no reading comprehension
Highsec "This event sucked; I had no idea what to do, the FC was an idiot, and I had to warp 23 jumps in 10% TiDi for no apparent reason" Nullsec: LOL NEWBS! That's what happens in Nullsec! You get blown up! Highsec: Yeah, was ok with getting blown up. Not ok with totally wasting my time in the process and having the event over before I got there Nullsec: LOL TEARS! Highsec: *Facepalm*
It's very apparent that nullsec lives in such total terror of a highsec point being taken seriously by CCP that they need to pretend every post by a highseccer is some sort of tears even when, as in this thread, there's nary a tear to be found. The hystrionics are laughably predictable.
In short: came expecting irrelevant bullshit from nullsecer's. Left satisfied. |

DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:09:00 -
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Be honest with us CCP. Do you consider this event to be a success? What was the purpose?
I bailed due to the pathetic 10% Tidi, so I failed to get blown up.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice ..."
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Bittersweet Badasaz
Q.Q.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:55:00 -
[927] - Quote
Ok just a WH scanning alt popping in to let you HiSec types know that even the line from Nullsec "this is what we face every day in Null" is as you may suspect, total BS.
They do not every day in Null line up for 23 jumps. They whined and complained when that happen so now they don't have to actually fly anymore, they bridge. Only HiSec has to jump 23 jumps to get somewhere and have their fleet arrive at different times.
They do not every day even face blowing up. Most are in large Null Sec cartels renting from "the man", fattening the elites wallets and kept safe by said cartel also. Those that do PvP typically do so only when the odds favor them and/or they can pile in in huge numbers to overwhelm and blob out the enemy, press F1 when the FC tells them to and then get their ship reimbursed. Hence they do experience a lot of timelag if they are in a large cartel. That is about the only thing in common about their experience and yours in the event you joined. It's really nothing for them to brag about which is perhaps why most of them feel the need to put you down.
There are some large cartels that know every aspect of PvP, like PL but good luck ever getting in to one like that with newbie skill points.
Did Nullsec have to face a lot of danger or trouble to get to the gatecamp of this event? No they spent a couple minutes to get there and bubble up the gate and shot you in the big turkey shot. They had a few minutes to travel and a lot of warning. You had a few hours. They have sovereignty in the system you travel to, and all the ships you can't bring from hisec because they aren't allowed there and the bubbles you probably don't know how to use because they aren't allowed in hisec.
Oh and next on Mythbusters we will address the myth of how unsafe WH's are. They aren't that bad either if you know what you are doing (yes it may take a bit to learn what you are doing). My main never died once in Wormhole PVE and only died in PvP having fun mostly by choice. Yes your tower will come under attack eventually and you may lose it (once a year for us) but hey, keeps it from being boring.
The big sin of HiSec players, and the reason you will be forced into null is because you do not work for a large nullsec cartel and thus are not spending your free time fattening the wallets or paying the home mortgages of a few players in control of those cartels and those cartels have the ears of CCP.
Welcome to Eve, I hope it gets better. On the bright side if CCP has half a brain they recognize players are hungry for good events and content and maybe devote some time effort and thought to them instead of endless boring rebalancing masquerading as excuses for content. Of course for people to trust live events again from CCP they ought to show they are sincere by firing whoever planned this one. And no I don't think we have to coddle CCP by worrying about their dear little feelings "oh noes they may never do another live event again if we don't like this one". It's their game, and they can chose to trash it if they want by continuing their current course.
Yes CCP, HTFU. Get better. Stop making excuses. When I read about this event I felt like OMG cat. Hire or transfer someone to do this right after showing you are serious by firing whoever planned this one. Maybe the next person planning events will pay attention finally if this one gets fired. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
813
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:35:00 -
[928] - Quote
Honestly, you can't have something like this both ways. You either invite everyone and get a kitchen sink fleet that won't be effective, or organize up a doctrine, and **** off anyone not able to join. There's honestly not much you can do with a disorganized grabass except say "go here".
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
513
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:50:00 -
[929] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, you can't have something like this both ways. You either invite everyone and get a kitchen sink fleet that won't be effective, or organize up a doctrine, and **** off anyone not able to join. There's honestly not much you can do with a disorganized grabass except say "go here".
And this once again WAS NOT THE ISSUE Learn to read.
The issue was that CCP's 'Live Event' was anything but an Event. The mighty four empires that the capsuleers were supposed to assist provided a massive.... 4 HIC's to the entire operation. One of which then bubbled a high sec fleet at a gate camp which killed most of said fleet... wtf ccp! The rest of the high sec fleets did not get given time to even get to the target systems since CCP jumped ahead, attacked the null sec fleets solo, died vs the Pirate BS Live Event actors who then shot it out with the null sec cartels after shiny killboards from all the isk value of the hulls. Then CCP declared pirates the winners before the high sec fleets could even get there.
I don't know how many times we are going to have to say this before it finally sinks into null sec brains, we aren't complaining about dying, we are complaining about the fact CCP promoted a live event then mismanaged it in about the most spectacular way possible not even giving people who were organised & on time the ability to take part. |

ALPHA flyorDie
Latitude 45
6
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:29:00 -
[930] - Quote
Its getting old ccp you have 25, 000 players on the game at any give time and you dont seam to understand that when you hold events that 1000 to 4000 people will show up for it you need to plan for large groups of people to show up and be ready for it there is NO excuse for DC when you hold events or lack of planing that seams to happen for your events I pay to play the game and so I demand a good game that is supported well but it seams like you half ass it just like obma did with are new health care plan
If you cant run a good event then stop doing them all you are doing is killing the player base by pissing people off and makeing then quit the game do you not understand we are the ones paying for your employees paychecks and if you dont inprove the quality of the game people will just leave and then you will be out of work !
CCP why do you hate us ? |
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Stellar Redoubt
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:25:00 -
[931] - Quote
Eh, thought I'd weigh in as so many other people are, to offer a new player prospective on all this rageposting. I'm a new player, about 35 days into the game now.
Skip this part if you just want to get the point, just providing background for my perspective: Trying to learn whatever I can about the game I've looked through the forums, various EVE related news websites, etc. Started watching Mad Ani's twitch channel to see what the big time PvP looked like as I like PvP in most games, but figured out pretty quick from reading the forums I'd wait to delve too deep into in this one, cause there is no cheap and easy way to get into it that won't just automatically end in you getting "pwnd" repeatedly by someone you never stood a chance against at some point, be it a gate camp, or just some guy who hangs out around FW sites looking for easy kills. Any other MMO I can go and PvP and stand a decent chance WoW, guildwars, TOR, LoTRO, what have you, name it I've probably played it, and pvp'd in them all. While I haven't always excelled I at least could say I took someone with me every time I died. I realized instantly with EVE this wasn't the case, so decided to stay out of it until I have the money to burn on what looks like a very steap and expensive learning curve. I ain't the type to play the buy 50 rifters and go nutts game. Falling repeatedly on your face to learn something, great, if that works for you, that's fine, to each his own.
Three to four days a week I unload trucks for a major retail corporation that has a big K in it, the rest of the time I do online ad support. I'm the guy who gets to go around to sites and check to make sure they have the sites in the proper places, are up to date, aren't being spoofed by IP scammers, etc. It's mind numbing but helps to pay the bills. So I took to playing MMO's on the other monitors. Doesn't work with most MMO's, but EvE, every aspect of it is pretty slow by comparison. You can multi-task just about anything, **** watching footage of multiple 10% tidi major scraps in null, I could probably make dinner during one of them. I'm not so sure that Titan pilot from the other night who was being bumped repeatedly was even at keys for most of it honestly. Why would he bother? So I missioned, salvaged, did some exploration, and then realized to get 600m together for a PLEX, or even enough money to get some of the ships I've been looking at and the components I want in them what I was doing wouldn't cut it. So I mine. 10 mil an hour ain't much, but hey it pays the monthly rent in about 12 5 hour stretches, and while missions may be viable at higher ranks, it doesn't pay anything at level 1-3. Not even enough to keep upgrading your ships unless you're into flying around in T1 lunchbox setups. So you'll see me mining away in hi-sec, if you see me at all (I picked a backwater system to avoid gankers) for long stretches as I do my ad duties and wait for skills to level up. Weirdest leveling system I've ever seen btw, but I guess it works.
When I heard about the event I was going to go. I'd seen live events in other MMO's, and while not all of them run smoothly (honestly most don't), they're usually something you want to say you were a part of, or there's some unique loot or what have you that comes from it. Then someone in mad ani's channel (I think it was Mad Ani's anyways) said: Don't trust CCP, just don't do it. I realized I had only planned to take some cheaply fit Tristan or Algos along anyways (I dig the drone thing) and probably wouldn't have gotten any decent loot, and so I skipped it to see if the dude was right.
When I heard about it later, well I was just thinking I wanted to thank that guy, but hadn't bothered to keep track of his name. If you're reading this, thanks brother. I imagine it was fun for the gate campers, or at least something to break the boredom for them, and I'm sure even some of the people who got shot without having a chance to shoot back will say they enjoyed it, and they even may have, but me? I would have been pissed at the two hours to get to that. If you want to kill me, fine, just do it, don't be sadistic about it. Two hour TiDi crawl going in? Then the CCP official responses to it afterwards? Jeez, salt in the wounds much? But then again, I never intend to pay for this game, as they've made it perfectly reasonable to play for free, so I can't complain too much. I'm just putting my two cents in cause it's 4 AM, I can't sleep and the page I'm trying to check has the worst coding in the history of the internet.
My only question I'd like to see answered, but never will - at least a real answer, is why CCP wanted to troll it's player base? Or at least like this. I've seen Blizzard and other producers troll their player base, but never in a way that actually cost them both time and money, which are really what all MMOs are about in the end. Sure you have fun, enjoy yourself, get your mind off work the daily grind, but in the end your investing time and money (well not me except for the first 14.99, but I imagine some pay). So bottom line, skipping this massive wall of text:
So my perspective: CCP trolled it's player base. Those of us who care enough to put in our two cents, or are just terminally bored, will write about it. In the end doubt CCP will care much if they are anything like most MMO producers. Do they need to fix live events? Why? The only way this event could have ended was how it ended with the way they set it up, so that must be how they wanted it to so it was successful. Or they are more of a noob than someones whose been playing this game for about 35 days. It's now how I'd run an MMO, but hey it's free, and you get what you pay for.
Sorry for the lengthy post peeps. Back to the ragefest. (If this double posted, sorry, first time post in these forums) |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
8
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:31:00 -
[932] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, you can't have something like this both ways. You either invite everyone and get a kitchen sink fleet that won't be effective, or organize up a doctrine, and **** off anyone not able to join. There's honestly not much you can do with a disorganized grabass except say "go here".
This entirely depends on how you organize an event, a well planned and executed event could easily cater for different players, a badly organized plan with no real brief and lets face it pointless idea aimed at the 'whole' playerbase regardless of sp and timezones is bound to end badly.
Bittersweet Badasaz wrote: The truth about nullsec.
So true, yet im unsure of that statement about PL knowing so much about PvP, they know blobbing for sure and do well enough at the AT meta but considering some of their losses against small gangs and solo players well.... (Recently a member of PL lost a Loki to Mr Randy Wrays Firetail, and complained about gate guns).
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
241
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:55:00 -
[933] - Quote
Bittersweet Badasaz wrote:TheyAngel Cartels have sovereignty in the system you travel to, and all the ships you can't can bring from hisec because they aren't are allowed there and the bubbles you probably don't know how to use because they aren't allowed in hisec.
Fixed....you know I know you are in wormhole space, I am not sure if you accidentally proposed the idea that Doril, Jorund, or RMOC-W were under player sov or if you deliberately did it to prove a point. I would hope it was accidental, because any serious intent would certainly force me to disavow your comments for lack of fact. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
241
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:03:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, you can't have something like this both ways. You either invite everyone and get a kitchen sink fleet that won't be effective, or organize up a doctrine, and **** off anyone not able to join. There's honestly not much you can do with a disorganized grabass except say "go here".
And this once again WAS NOT THE ISSUE Learn to read. The issue was that CCP's 'Live Event' was anything but an Event. The mighty four empires that the capsuleers were supposed to assist provided a massive.... 4 HIC's to the entire operation. One of which then bubbled a high sec fleet at a gate camp which killed most of said fleet... wtf ccp! The rest of the high sec fleets did not get given time to even get to the target systems since CCP jumped ahead, attacked the null sec fleets solo, died vs the Pirate BS Live Event actors who then shot it out with the null sec cartels after shiny killboards from all the isk value of the hulls. Then CCP declared pirates the winners before the high sec fleets could even get there. I don't know how many times we are going to have to say this before it finally sinks into null sec brains, we aren't complaining about dying, we are complaining about the fact CCP promoted a live event then mismanaged it in about the most spectacular way possible not even giving people who were organised & on time the ability to take part.
Once again your point is irrelevant because let us face it, this is NOT the first live event that everyone tried to get to and couldnt. There have been several that were held in one system and people flew 40+ jumps to go only to sit outside the gate spamming jump because the system was capped. In some ways that is WORSE than flying 23 jumps in 10% TiDi
The system the event is held in is at 10% TiDi so you have to wait till people die or leave to get in, at 10x the rate people die slowly and leave slowly so you spend the better part of 2 hours sitting on a gate spamming jump and wasting time as you did flying 23 jumps in 10% TiDi.
Only some people who have raised concerns about this incident being a waste of time herald other events a success, when in fact if you were the unfortunate bunch who sat at those gates spamming jump you were actually wasting just as much time. Yet there was not NEARLY as big of a whine fest over those incidents, why? I can only presume it is because those people either A. Were able to attend and thus cant complain or B. They are hypocritical...at this point either one sounds the same. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
270
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:11:00 -
[935] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, you can't have something like this both ways. You either invite everyone and get a kitchen sink fleet that won't be effective, or organize up a doctrine, and **** off anyone not able to join. There's honestly not much you can do with a disorganized grabass except say "go here".
And this once again WAS NOT THE ISSUE Learn to read. The issue was that CCP's 'Live Event' was anything but an Event. The mighty four empires that the capsuleers were supposed to assist provided a massive.... 4 HIC's to the entire operation. One of which then bubbled a high sec fleet at a gate camp which killed most of said fleet... wtf ccp! The rest of the high sec fleets did not get given time to even get to the target systems since CCP jumped ahead, attacked the null sec fleets solo, died vs the Pirate BS Live Event actors who then shot it out with the null sec cartels after shiny killboards from all the isk value of the hulls. Then CCP declared pirates the winners before the high sec fleets could even get there. I don't know how many times we are going to have to say this before it finally sinks into null sec brains, we aren't complaining about dying, we are complaining about the fact CCP promoted a live event then mismanaged it in about the most spectacular way possible not even giving people who were organised & on time the ability to take part. Once again your point is irrelevant because let us face it, this is NOT the first live event that everyone tried to get to and couldnt. There have been several that were held in one system and people flew 40+ jumps to go only to sit outside the gate spamming jump because the system was capped. In some ways that is WORSE than flying 23 jumps in 10% TiDi The system the event is held in is at 10% TiDi so you have to wait till people die or leave to get in, at 10x the rate people die slowly and leave slowly so you spend the better part of 2 hours sitting on a gate spamming jump and wasting time as you did flying 23 jumps in 10% TiDi. Only some people who have raised concerns about this incident being a waste of time herald other events a success, when in fact if you were the unfortunate bunch who sat at those gates spamming jump you were actually wasting just as much time. Yet there was not NEARLY as big of a whine fest over those incidents, why? I can only presume it is because those people either A. Were able to attend and thus cant complain or B. They are hypocritical...at this point either one sounds the same.
I know this is probably feeding you, but let me put things simply.
People are complaining because they feel they have a reason to complain. More people are complaining because more people are annoyed. More people have lost trust and faith than have ever been before. More people will leave than ever before. Fewer people will be left to complain. Will you be happy then?
Is that simple enough to understand?
Asteros and Stratios are beautiful. CCP Please Make these ships Truly function as Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength ...Thank you! |

Stellar Redoubt
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:25:00 -
[936] - Quote
hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.
I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here.
Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
275
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:35:00 -
[937] - Quote
Stellar Redoubt wrote:hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here. Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P
Holy crap.
If that's true,
They are going to miss all that. Asteros and Stratios are beautiful. CCP Please Make these ships Truly function as Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength ...Thank you! |

Jendrick Vayle
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:57:00 -
[938] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Stellar Redoubt wrote:hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here. Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P Holy crap. If that's true, They are going to miss all that.
In normal game studio, you entertain gamers
in CCP, Gamers entertain you! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
276
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:01:00 -
[939] - Quote
Jendrick Vayle wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Stellar Redoubt wrote:hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here. Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P Holy crap. If that's true, They are going to miss all that. In normal game studio, you entertain gamers in CCP, Gamers entertain you!
Anyway, Too Late, They had their time to answer.
They could not even be bothered with a holding statement.
I can no longer support a company that treats it's customers in such a cavalier fashion. I will use up my remaining game time, and then i'm out of here.
Good bye. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
157
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:07:00 -
[940] - Quote
Edam Neadenil wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.
To be perfectly honest if there was any ploy involved on CCPs part it was almost certainly an attempt to artificially generate one of those "largest space battle in history" headlines that have previously been good for subs. However they do also seem to have completely forgotten they banned caps and supercaps from hisec meaning there is not and never realistic can be a totally highsec player alliance that is willing or able to take on null alliances. Hence highsec involvement in null generally takes the form of roams, mining barge ganking and ninja looting in null systems - not large fleet battles. Highsec experience of fleet battles is mainly FW and incursions which are quite a different type of thing ... no sane person would bring an incursion fleet to a nullsec PvP event.
I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space.
To be honest if it was not for the ease of spy accounts I would be trying to create this very type of alliance. But I know that its impossible, because all they have to do is get one person into your alliance and everything you try will fail.
In terms of caps, I am based in hisec mostly, but I have caps, not supers or Titans, but carriers and dreads, also one could look now at the BLOPS as a very effective way of doing things.
My own alliance is currently raiding into 0.0 and having a lot of fun as part of a coalition, basically keep it small and tight and you can keep it relatively secure against the 0.0 alliance plex based account spy system, and at times you can bring together a reaonable sized force to do things. If hisec players want to get back at 0.0 entities it is entirely possible and a lot of fun:
http://piratenation.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20232935 If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
241
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:25:00 -
[941] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Jendrick Vayle wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Stellar Redoubt wrote:hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here. Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P Holy crap. If that's true, They are going to miss all that. In normal game studio, you entertain gamers in CCP, Gamers entertain you! Anyway, Too Late, They had their time to answer. They could not even be bothered with a holding statement. I can no longer support a company that treats it's customers in such a cavalier fashion. I will use up my remaining game time, and then i'm out of here.
Mind if I have your items ingame then? |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
279
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:28:00 -
[942] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Jendrick Vayle wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Stellar Redoubt wrote:hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here. Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P Holy crap. If that's true, They are going to miss all that. In normal game studio, you entertain gamers in CCP, Gamers entertain you! Anyway, Too Late, They had their time to answer. They could not even be bothered with a holding statement. I can no longer support a company that treats it's customers in such a cavalier fashion. I will use up my remaining game time, and then i'm out of here. Mind if I have your items ingame then? No I have friends who deserve them. Good bye. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
241
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:32:00 -
[943] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:
Mind if I have your items ingame then?
No I have friends who deserve them.
Fair enough |

Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
12
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:34:00 -
[944] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote: No I have friends who deserve them.
Aren't they all leaving with you in a mass exodus?
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MadMcMax Ornulf
MadMcMax
1
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:40:00 -
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There are so many questions here to CCP and no real answers.
Do you just not care about the 1000+ posts in several threads about this event?
The majority of people are asking for a simple explanation as to what was supposed to happen versus what did happen.
We have been patient in awaiting your reply, but it seems a simple yes, no or don't care was too much to ask.
Was it your intention to basically apease the gods of nullsec by a mass capsuleer sacrifice?
Did you feel that hisec was just a bit too crowded, or was there some other ulterior motive?
Did you really not think the whole event through, or was this planned by someone who had no clue about how anything in EVE works?
Was this the action of a rogue CCP employee?
If you only care about saving face and/or denying there ever was any reason for these posts then people will start to let you know how they really feel, by leaving.
Once you have upset everyone in hisec, you can turn every region into nullsec and just have sov wars, so much easier, then everyone knows where they stand.
I would like to quote a line from Al Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon, but it would probably get the whole post deleted. So I will just say this:
Thursday 07/Nov/2013 - Beginning Of The END. |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
8
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:47:00 -
[946] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote: I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space.
To be honest if it was not for the ease of spy accounts I would be trying to create this very type of alliance. But I know that its impossible, because all they have to do is get one person into your alliance and everything you try will fail.
In terms of caps, I am based in hisec mostly, but I have caps, not supers or Titans, but carriers and dreads, also one could look now at the BLOPS as a very effective way of doing things.
My own alliance is currently raiding into 0.0 and having a lot of fun as part of a coalition, basically keep it small and tight and you can keep it relatively secure against the 0.0 alliance plex based account spy system, and at times you can bring together a reaonable sized force to do things. If hisec players want to get back at 0.0 entities it is entirely possible and a lot of fun:
Lets be honest there are plenty of solo and small gang types that do, I've enjoyed roaming out from wh space and I have enjoyed flying with a few of the NPC 0.0 groups, all of which enjoy more challenging types of PvP without the need for CTA's, none of which want SOV, or want to take part in SOV. This is what nullsec blocs use to justify themselves as a 'powerful' entity, "If you want this space come and take it", most nullsec corps have moved around to wherever the grass is greener.
My opinion is only groups that want to build supers need move to SOV space, that and to inflate their leaders ego, truth is anyone who can play eve can rat in someone elses space and be fine, hell they can even get some kills.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
280
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:48:00 -
[947] - Quote
Karynn Denton wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: No I have friends who deserve them.
Aren't they all leaving with you in a mass exodus?
Some are some are waiting a little longer to see how this plays out,We will see.
Good bye. |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
9
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:51:00 -
[948] - Quote
CCP don't care, they'll only care when the the playerbase all slowly go inactive due to having no one to gang up on and act all superior to, or when they realize that superior content generation makes them far cooler than being "internet viking warrior nerds who drink a lot and find it 'cool' to bully people" |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
280
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:57:00 -
[949] - Quote
El Jin'meiko wrote:CCP don't care, they'll only care when the the playerbase all slowly go inactive due to having no one to gang up on and act all superior to, or when they realize that superior content generation makes them far cooler than being "internet viking warrior nerds who drink a lot and find it 'cool' to bully people" After the Extinction level event, I wonder how long it took the dinosaurs to realise that all the prey had gone?
Good bye. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
65
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:02:00 -
[950] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space.
There's a number of people here that need to understand that some - maybe most - of the people who are stably in hisec aren't there out of fear, or noobieness, or incapacity. Some certainly are, but others are there because that is the way they decided to play their game.
We pay a subscription to have access to the EVE galaxy; but each of us has a life outside the game and some of us have more time and energy to spend in it, others don't.
All nullsec blocs started in hisec. Every single one of those people has owned a rookieship in some 1.0 system. At a certain point - some sooner, some later - they took a ship to losec, and then to nullsec. Everyone can do this if they really want to. Why do some think everyone should wish to play the game the way they play it? EVE's a PVP game and all that - true, so what? The most valid reason why people do not move to nullsec is they do not want to. Those who do want it, eventually move to WH, or to losec, or directly to null through renting or joining an alliance.
So the simple reason there's no hisec alliance organized enough to take on a nullsec alliance? Those who are, and are willing to, have moved out of hisec or are about to do so. |
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
280
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:09:00 -
[951] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space. There's a number of people here that need to understand that some - maybe most - of the people who are stably in hisec aren't there out of fear, or noobieness, or incapacity. Some certainly are, but others are there because that is the way they decided to play their game. We pay a subscription to have access to the EVE galaxy; but each of us has a life outside the game and some of us have more time and energy to spend in it, others don't. All nullsec blocs started in hisec. Every single one of those people has owned a rookieship in some 1.0 system. At a certain point - some sooner, some later - they took a ship to losec, and then to nullsec. Everyone can do this if they really want to. Why do some think everyone should wish to play the game the way they play it? EVE's a PVP game and all that - true, so what? The most valid reason why people do not move to nullsec is they do not want to. Those who do want it, eventually move to WH, or to losec, or directly to null through renting or joining an alliance. So the simple reason there's no hisec alliance organized enough to take on a nullsec alliance? Those who are, and are willing to, have moved out of hisec or are about to do so. Quite true,unfortunately there are those who think EVE is just PvP in blobs. Hisec to them is just a means of replacing or paying for their losses. I play the game in more than HISEC but to be only in null would send me insane,not going to criticise but wow no thanks. To me that is not the issue,but trying to force nullsec mentality on hisec? really? whoever thought up that idea and then making it very clear that the other players were something to be abused for some sick twisted joke or party favour needs a good sense of reality injected. unfortunately the lack of response, where they have responded so quickly before, means they underestimated the rage it would cause. I choose not to be abused. End of story. Good bye. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
883
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:10:00 -
[952] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:No I have friends who deserve them. Aren't they all leaving with you in a mass exodus? Some are some are waiting a little longer to see how this plays out,We will see.
Or biding their time until their subscription runs out while in that time perhaps plotting how to scam, steal, spy, gank, disrupt and play the part of ebil piwate on the unsuspecting noobs who dwell in the NPC corps and who are on trial accounts. Perhaps some people are thinking of ways as disgusting as that which CCP have regarded them in that killing the children prevents them from becoming stronger in adulthood or in this case killing the trial accounts and noobs removes possible subscribers. I think we know that from the outset EVE Online is a very daunting place and you'll pay with cold hard cash until you find your niche that you can make enough to buy PLEX (I've personally only ever funded my accounts with cold hard cash and on yearly subscription but that wil certainly change if I choose to resubscribe) but if these ebil piwates start pwning noobs left right and center how many do you think will keep putting that cash to feed the machine that kills them?
On the flip side this would act as a Darwinian model of getting rid of the weak as this not only gives the noobs a sense of the reality of EVE Online but it also helps them to HTFU as that seems to really get them interested in Null Sec or PvP from what I've seen so far. The weak will leave and the strong will survive, if they are allowed to get that far. I wonder how many times you have to kill a noob before they just pack up and head of to play a console game? A challenge to the social experiement it could well be.
As for the Null Blocs, well, they'll keep PLEXing until there's no more PLEX and eventually no more CCP. With DUST514 being a F2P game I don't really see a revenue stream from that and WoD isn't released yet AFAIK.
Some people have been in this game from it's outset and have amassed stockpiles of ore, BPO's and components. For someone like this ship loss isn't really anything to worry about and they could even offer a SRP for those willing to participate. Now we know from James315 that CCP doesn't interfere in these kinds of tactics as all the Null Seccers will agree that this is "a sandbox".
Imagine this as a "Noobaggedon" if you will only it runs all year round until there are no more noobs to kill and those that are left pay through the roof for a PLEX of which the price has continued to rise until 1) There are no more PLEX 2) People spend all their time just trying to get the ISK for a PLEX until the first condition is met.
A bleak outlook that some may very well be considering as it is nearly the end of Monday and the working day and nothing from CCP has been heard not even a "We are sincerely sorry but we are still monitoring and are in discussions". Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
280
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:22:00 -
[953] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:No I have friends who deserve them. Aren't they all leaving with you in a mass exodus? Some are some are waiting a little longer to see how this plays out,We will see. Or biding their time until their subscription runs out while in that time perhaps plotting how to scam, steal, spy, gank, disrupt and play the part of ebil piwate on the unsuspecting noobs who dwell in the NPC corps and who are on trial accounts. Perhaps some people are thinking of ways as disgusting as that which CCP have regarded them in that killing the children prevents them from becoming stronger in adulthood or in this case killing the trial accounts and noobs removes possible subscribers. I think we know that from the outset EVE Online is a very daunting place and you'll pay with cold hard cash until you find your niche that you can make enough to buy PLEX (I've personally only ever funded my accounts with cold hard cash and on yearly subscription but that wil certainly change if I choose to resubscribe) but if these ebit piwates start pwning noobs left right and center how many do you think will keep putting that cash to feed the machine that kills them? On the flip side this would act as a Darwinian model of getting rid of the weak as this not only gives the noobs a sense of the reality of EVE Online but it also helps them to HTFU as that seems to really get them interested in Null Sec or PvP from what I've seen so far. The weak will leave and the strong will survive, if they are allowed to get that far. I wonder how many times you have to kill a noob before they just pack up and head of to play a console game? A challenge to the social experiement it could well be. As for the Null Blocs, well, they'll keep PLEXing until there's no more PLEX and eventually no more CCP. With DUST514 being a F2P game I don't really see a revenue stream from that and WoD isn't released yet AFAIK. Some people have been in this game from it's outset and have amassed stockpiles of ore, BPO's and components. For someone like this ship loss isn't really anything to worry about and they could even offer a SRP for those willing to participate. Now we know from James315 that CCP doesn't interfere in these kinds of tactics as all the Null Seccers will agree that this is "a sandbox". Imagine this as a "Noobaggedon" if you will only it runs all year round until there are no more noobs to kill and those that are left pay through the roof for a PLEX of which the price has continued to rise until 1) There are no more PLEX 2) People spend all their time just trying to get the ISK for a PLEX until the first condition is met. A bleak outlook that some may very well be considering as it is nearly the end of Monday and the working day and nothing from CCP has been heard not even a "We are sincerely sorry but we are still monitoring and are in discussions".
Nice article, Unfortunately It was not just noobageddon it was the entire customer base apart from a favoured group that were abused, because abuse it was,ccp had plenty of time to explain whether is was intentional. They have not. Not even a holding post the nearest thing was a post, concerning us not understanding how the mechanism for humiliating us could have been more efficiently done. silence means assent. A darwinian model of a prey/predator relationship only applies if the customers regarded as prey continue to hang around to be abused.
Good bye. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
883
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:42:00 -
[954] - Quote
You've completely misread my post my friend. Go back and re-read it. I think I've been one of the most active people against what happened on 07-11 and holding CCP to account so I'm completely with you. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
241
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:44:00 -
[955] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space. There's a number of people here that need to understand that some - maybe most - of the people who are stably in hisec aren't there out of fear, or noobieness, or incapacity. Some certainly are, but others are there because that is the way they decided to play their game. We pay a subscription to have access to the EVE galaxy; but each of us has a life outside the game and some of us have more time and energy to spend in it, others don't. All nullsec blocs started in hisec. Every single one of those people has owned a rookieship in some 1.0 system. At a certain point - some sooner, some later - they took a ship to losec, and then to nullsec. Everyone can do this if they really want to. Why do some think everyone should wish to play the game the way they play it? EVE's a PVP game and all that - true, so what? The most valid reason why people do not move to nullsec is they do not want to. Those who do want it, eventually move to WH, or to losec, or directly to null through renting or joining an alliance. So the simple reason there's no hisec alliance organized enough to take on a nullsec alliance? Those who are, and are willing to, have moved out of hisec or are about to do so.
Generally most players in high sec are not there because they joined the game and decided I do not want to move here or there, nor are they afraid of going to null. Typically it has been more about playing commitment. High sec is a very appealing area for those who like small casual play styles.
- No sov to worry about holding - No need to defend your space - Less attention needed to do activities, thus allowing you to multi-task - No bubbles or bombs to slow down your playing - Access to major trade hubs allowing trading and market play - Level 4 missions - Helping or assisting newer players - Access to lore
These are the things that appeals to high sec players, null sec requires a more intense approach to playing and limits the factors that appeals to social game play. Not all null space is this way, and fortunately recently has become less like it as well. CCP is focusing more toward small scale game play. We can see this with the mobile structures for instance. Giving players the ability to poke each other in the eye and get under each other's skin.
I would say that high sec players are more relaxed and tend to play more casually with less impact on the choices they make. Null sec players like that. It certainly has nothing to do with fear of the space...just the type of game play played. This is why people often shift around between high, low, null, and wh depending on how often and how much energy they wish to put into the game. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
883
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:50:00 -
[956] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Killerjock wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space. There's a number of people here that need to understand that some - maybe most - of the people who are stably in hisec aren't there out of fear, or noobieness, or incapacity. Some certainly are, but others are there because that is the way they decided to play their game. We pay a subscription to have access to the EVE galaxy; but each of us has a life outside the game and some of us have more time and energy to spend in it, others don't. All nullsec blocs started in hisec. Every single one of those people has owned a rookieship in some 1.0 system. At a certain point - some sooner, some later - they took a ship to losec, and then to nullsec. Everyone can do this if they really want to. Why do some think everyone should wish to play the game the way they play it? EVE's a PVP game and all that - true, so what? The most valid reason why people do not move to nullsec is they do not want to. Those who do want it, eventually move to WH, or to losec, or directly to null through renting or joining an alliance. So the simple reason there's no hisec alliance organized enough to take on a nullsec alliance? Those who are, and are willing to, have moved out of hisec or are about to do so. Generally most players in high sec are not there because they joined the game and decided I do not want to move here or there, nor are they afraid of going to null. Typically it has been more about playing commitment. High sec is a very appealing area for those who like small casual play styles. - No sov to worry about holding - No need to defend your space - Less attention needed to do activities, thus allowing you to multi-task - No bubbles or bombs to slow down your playing - Access to major trade hubs allowing trading and market play - Level 4 missions - Helping or assisting newer players - Access to lore These are the things that appeals to high sec players, null sec requires a more intense approach to playing and limits the factors that appeals to social game play. Not all null space is this way, and fortunately recently has become less like it as well. CCP is focusing more toward small scale game play. We can see this with the mobile structures for instance. Giving players the ability to poke each other in the eye and get under each other's skin. I would say that high sec players are more relaxed and tend to play more casually with less impact on the choices they make. Null sec players like that. It certainly has nothing to do with fear of the space...just the type of game play played. This is why people often shift around between high, low, null, and wh depending on how often and how much energy they wish to put into the game.
Some of your comments I have disagreed with but I fully commend you for understanding the above and applaud the clear description. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
280
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:55:00 -
[957] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:You've completely misread my post my friend. Go back and re-read it. I think I've been one of the most active people against what happened on 07-11 and holding CCP to account so I'm completely with you.
Ok got it That will work too. Good bye. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
160
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:25:00 -
[958] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Killerjock wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I don't see any reason why there cannot be a hisec based alliance that takes on null sec entities apart from the obvious issue of trusting others that are likely to be 0.0 spy accounts. You are correct in terms of the limited type of activities that hisec entities could do, however at a strategic level hisec players can now have a go at their moon mining with siphons, hisec players can setup bases in deep 0.0 (if CCP set up personal structures correctly) and from there roam and interdict to their hearts content. 0.0 is now vulnerable long term to destroying their renters and removing their moon income, and in any case you don't need capitals and supers if your entire intention is to stop them from making use of their space. There's a number of people here that need to understand that some - maybe most - of the people who are stably in hisec aren't there out of fear, or noobieness, or incapacity. Some certainly are, but others are there because that is the way they decided to play their game. We pay a subscription to have access to the EVE galaxy; but each of us has a life outside the game and some of us have more time and energy to spend in it, others don't. All nullsec blocs started in hisec. Every single one of those people has owned a rookieship in some 1.0 system. At a certain point - some sooner, some later - they took a ship to losec, and then to nullsec. Everyone can do this if they really want to. Why do some think everyone should wish to play the game the way they play it? EVE's a PVP game and all that - true, so what? The most valid reason why people do not move to nullsec is they do not want to. Those who do want it, eventually move to WH, or to losec, or directly to null through renting or joining an alliance. So the simple reason there's no hisec alliance organized enough to take on a nullsec alliance? Those who are, and are willing to, have moved out of hisec or are about to do so. Generally most players in high sec are not there because they joined the game and decided I do not want to move here or there, nor are they afraid of going to null. Typically it has been more about playing commitment. High sec is a very appealing area for those who like small casual play styles. - No sov to worry about holding - No need to defend your space - Less attention needed to do activities, thus allowing you to multi-task - No bubbles or bombs to slow down your playing - Access to major trade hubs allowing trading and market play - Level 4 missions - Helping or assisting newer players - Access to lore These are the things that appeals to high sec players, null sec requires a more intense approach to playing and limits the factors that appeals to casual game play. Not all null space is this way, and fortunately recently has become less like it as well. CCP is focusing more toward small scale game play. We can see this with the mobile structures for instance. Giving players the ability to poke each other in the eye and get under each other's skin. I would say that high sec players are more relaxed and tend to play more casually with less impact on the choices they make. Null sec players like that. It certainly has nothing to do with fear of the space...just the type of game play played. This is why people often shift around between high, low, null, and wh depending on how often and how much energy they wish to put into the game.
I agree with you, in fact the only reason I am still playing is the siphons and the personal structures, I was just about to close my accounts and then read the update and thought hmm interesting!
In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Halaxi
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
29
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:53:00 -
[959] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so.
Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else.
I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here.
Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know.
Hal. Why yes, yes I am going to shoot you. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
161
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:01:00 -
[960] - Quote
Halaxi wrote:Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so. Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else. I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here. Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know. Hal.
First of all I am not quitting Eve because of this, also I did not go, I expected a lagfest and that was my reason not to go, one of my corpmates did go however and gave me a detailed run down of what was going on.
I think you don't get it like so many other 0.0 focussed players, the hisec players knew they would lose their ships, no issue for them, but you say they should have gotten off the failtrain and it was their fault for doing that, well perhaps some of them wanted to complete and be part of this event and was not going to let TiDi stop them, just like 0.0 players continue to fight in heavy Tidi, hell they could log there too, but they don't. They wanted to complete and be part of that event and I have respect for those that tried to inspite of the mess that the event turned into. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
126
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:03:00 -
[961] - Quote
Halaxi wrote:Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so. Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else. I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here. Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know. Hal.
"You could have had a much better time with the live event by not participating in the live event"
Is that really the best defense of this you could come up with? |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
886
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:05:00 -
[962] - Quote
Halaxi wrote:Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so. Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else. I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here. Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know. Hal.
While I appreciate what you are saying I believe that "rabblerabble brigade" AKA paying customers and those with legitimate concerns regarding not only this even but also the aftermath have the right to question the very people who missold this event to them.
Further to the above people spent their RL time (even taking time of work so they could participate) jumping through that 10% TiDi in the hope to add content, experience something unique and make it to the destination to participate not to have CCP end the event by blowing the objective before most of the fleets had arrived.
It seems that CCP may very well just be spending all their time on the most recent scandal rather than addressing this one or they be in heavy debriefing sessions. No response on here or Twitter (OFC as this is the new official communications for EVE Online). Those that want to view the latest and what "Customer Support over the course of the weekend" re-investigated while we are still awaiting a further update response view this. It may amuse you while you wait another day or so
Nice Job CCP. Now Can We All Get 17m Free Skillpoints Also? Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Constantin Baracca
219
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:12:00 -
[963] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Halaxi wrote:Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so. Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else. I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here. Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know. Hal. While I appreciate what you are saying I believe that "rabblerabble brigade" AKA paying customers and those with legitimate concerns regarding not only this even but also the aftermath have the right to question the very people who missold this event to them. Further to the above people spent their RL time (even taking time of work so they could participate) jumping through that 10% TiDi in the hope to add content, experience something unique and make it to the destination to participate not to have CCP end the event by blowing the objective before most of the fleets had arrived. It seems that CCP may very well just be spending all their time on the most recent scandal rather than addressing this one or they be in heavy debriefing sessions. No response on here or Twitter (OFC as this is the new official communications for EVE Online). Those that want to view the latest and what "Customer Support over the course of the weekend" re-investigated while we are still awaiting a further update response view this. It may amuse you while you wait another day or so Nice Job CCP. Now Can We All Get 17m Free Skillpoints Also?
Wait.... they took care of this in the interim? With this flamethread going on? There are people who don't even play EVE that have been getting in touch with me to hear what a complete mess this event was, and they took care of that?
That's hard to believe. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
158
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:20:00 -
[964] - Quote
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Wait.... they took care of this in the interim? With this flamethread going on? There are people who don't even play EVE that have been getting in touch with me to hear what a complete mess this event was, and they took care of that?
That's hard to believe.
Maybe Erotica1 has doubled one of the Devs' ISK. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
286
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:49:00 -
[965] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:
Wait.... they took care of this in the interim? With this flamethread going on? There are people who don't even play EVE that have been getting in touch with me to hear what a complete mess this event was, and they took care of that?
That's hard to believe.
Maybe Erotica1 has doubled one of the Devs' ISK. What did they have to do to win the bonus round? No wait..... Good bye. |

Stellar Redoubt
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:57:00 -
[966] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Stellar Redoubt wrote:hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here. Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P Holy crap. If that's true, They are going to miss all that.
Lol, was joking bro. Yeah that should be from the actual party, but it's a party that's what you do have fun. Most likely is saluting Mad Ani for his bday - which was yesterday and awesome - or some hot chick out of the shot we can't see, or the brave deaths of so many.. okay couldn't keep a straight face for that one, but yeah wait for them to actually respond with something more than "thanks for the feedback." |

Enaya Radur
Beyond Remorse. MORE.DPS
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:05:00 -
[967] - Quote
End of EU working day and still nothing from CCP on this subject.
I was curious to see did CCP intended for this to be a rapefest or had an event go bad (or maybe even had some fantastic idea hisec crowd would have any chance).
They a) don't care b) have no idea how to get out of this one. lol, can't wait to see will they ignore this completely or man up and say what was the grand idea. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4816
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:11:00 -
[968] - Quote
Bad fleet leadership, it happens. Nothing to get overly upset about in that.
Bad organization of a live event... well, usually they are pretty fun. Dropping the ball on this one is not a hanging offense... just something for them to work harder on.
Nothing in this situation is worth the rage and hysteria being generated, not even remotely. Mistakes happen.
Personally, the next event of this kind I would like to see something along the lines of the following:
High sec fleet forms up, informed in advance that they would be facing other players and ship loss is likely, destination unknown.
Players jumped from rally point directly to a "valuable" Null sec system, told to defend the gates at all cost.
High sec players told how long they would need to hold the system, and survivors will be jumped out at a specific time.
Null sec players informed (as if they won't know already) where the high sec defense fleet is.
Let nature takes its course.
For event's like this to be fully entertaining for both sides the less experienced side needs a superior defensive position to get started. After that, it's up to them. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
248
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:19:00 -
[969] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Halaxi wrote:Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so. Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else. I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here. Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know. Hal. First of all I am not quitting Eve because of this, also I did not go, I expected a lagfest and that was my reason not to go, one of my corpmates did go however and gave me a detailed run down of what was going on. I think you don't get it like so many other 0.0 focussed players, the hisec players knew they would lose their ships, no issue for them, but you say they should have gotten off the failtrain and it was their fault for doing that, well perhaps some of them wanted to complete and be part of this event and was not going to let TiDi stop them, just like 0.0 players continue to fight in heavy Tidi, hell they could log there too, but they don't. They wanted to complete and be part of that event and I have respect for those that tried to inspite of the mess that the event turned into, they had every right to expect better...
There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.
Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.
You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well. |

Constantin Baracca
222
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:42:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Halaxi wrote:Dracvlad wrote: In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.
The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so. Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else. I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here. Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know. Hal. First of all I am not quitting Eve because of this, also I did not go, I expected a lagfest and that was my reason not to go, one of my corpmates did go however and gave me a detailed run down of what was going on. I think you don't get it like so many other 0.0 focussed players, the hisec players knew they would lose their ships, no issue for them, but you say they should have gotten off the failtrain and it was their fault for doing that, well perhaps some of them wanted to complete and be part of this event and was not going to let TiDi stop them, just like 0.0 players continue to fight in heavy Tidi, hell they could log there too, but they don't. They wanted to complete and be part of that event and I have respect for those that tried to inspite of the mess that the event turned into, they had every right to expect better... There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly. Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it. You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.
CCP is lucky the players stuck it out hoping CCP could salvage it. Essentially, CCP got people together, saying they would go somewhere and do something, and they failed to get everyone somewhere to do anything.
I don't know why you'd blame the players if a campaign falls completely apart. CCP literally said they'd host a campaign in their own game and failed the very basics of Dungeonmastering 100. The players aren't angry about losing their ships or continuing. As soon as CCP failed, they just threw their hands up and left.
You can't blame people for saying that, if CCP can't even run this event, maybe they should just never run an event ever again. Nobody would ever come to an SR job I ran if I'd screwed up this badly. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
194
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:45:00 -
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Octoven wrote: There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.
Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.
You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.
Why do I keep seeing this bullplop?! Since when do we expect "personal responsibility" form line members in a fleet???? If thy joined a fleet and the FC told them to go 23 jumps then damn itGǪ they better go 23 jumps. If they join a fleet and the FC tells them to jump into a campGǪ you better jump into the camp. Following FC orders is EXACTLY what we want CCP to be teaching new players to do. I have never been in a fleet where the FC welps us and then says it's "your responsibility for following my orders". Are you really suggesting that line members now start to question their FC orders and only follow them when they feel like it. Yea, that's great way to train noobs how to live outside of hi-sec.
The failure here was entirely on CCP side in they way the FC'ing was handled, not the players who followed those FC orders. Sure you can say perhaps you shouldn't join a CCP FC'd fleet, but once they are in the failure rest with the FC. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
162
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:49:00 -
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Octoven wrote: There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.
Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.
You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.
When I was in IRC there was a useless FC who made stupid decisions, I had already clocked him as being bad as had others, I fleet up and find him FC, he calls for Tempests and the enemy are in T3 BC snipers, I think maybe he has a warp in, so go with it. Nope, next thing he is burning at the enemy fleet, I put in fleet, I have a telephone call, turn around, burn out of the bubble and get in a safe POS, many people lose their ships. That is pretty clear cut in terms of outcome, I could see the result and got out, many 0.0 players would look at me and say you did not follow the FC, coward blah blah blah, well he wasn't an FC in my view and I paid for my own ships which is what gave me the right to say no to stupidly throwing it away based on his incompetence.
The result for the event was to get there and participate, there was no communication, people had made up their mind they would lose their ships, people had stuck it for hours and being dedicated to being involved in a Eve history event stayed with it, hell if you want to blame people for trusting CCP then be my guest, I feel however that those players deserved better than that. Its a sad world when the most dedicated passionate people get the biggest kick in the nuts! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
248
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:58:00 -
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Manssell wrote:Octoven wrote: There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.
Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.
You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.
Why do I keep seeing this bullplop?! Since when do we expect "personal responsibility" form line members in a fleet???? If thy joined a fleet and the FC told them to go 23 jumps then damn itGǪ they better go 23 jumps. If they join a fleet and the FC tells them to jump into a campGǪ you better jump into the camp. Following FC orders is EXACTLY what we want CCP to be teaching new players to do. I have never been in a fleet where the FC welps us and then says it's "your responsibility for following my orders". Are you really suggesting that line members now start to question their FC orders and only follow them when they feel like it. Yea, that's great way to train noobs how to live outside of hi-sec. The failure here was entirely on CCP side in they way the FC'ing was handled, not the players who followed those FC orders. Sure you can say perhaps you shouldn't join a CCP FC'd fleet, but once they are in the failure rest with the FC.
You have GOT to be the only person I know flying from high sec that doesnt drop fleet if the FC is incompetent. It happens very often infact, if I pay for MY ship and a FC tells me to go into a situation I know 100% will be a failure based on his leadership, I drop fleet. he didnt pay for my ship and I refuse to fly if I waste my time and lose my own property.
However, CCP didnt buy your ship for you, you chose to stay in fleet and follow a fleet you know wasn't be led well. Furthermore you chose to stick something out because its an official event? Seriously? I am not putting blame solely on players, CCP may be to blame for lack of an efficiently run event. However, the fact remains as a person capable of making informed decisions on to stay in or leave YOU are to blame for choosing to waste your own time. Stop making excuses and accept it, stop living in denial. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
248
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:01:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Octoven wrote: There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.
Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.
You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well. When I was in IRC there was a useless FC who made stupid decisions, I had already clocked him as being bad as had others, I fleet up and find him FC, he calls for Tempests and the enemy are in T3 BC snipers, I think maybe he has a warp in, so go with it. Nope, next thing he is burning at the enemy fleet, I put in fleet, I have a telephone call, turn around, burn out of the bubble and get in a safe POS, many people lose their ships. That is pretty clear cut in terms of outcome, I could see the result and got out, many 0.0 players would look at me and say you did not follow the FC, coward blah blah blah, well he wasn't an FC in my view and I paid for my own ships which is what gave me the right to say no to stupidly throwing it away based on his incompetence. The result for the event was to get there and participate, there was no communication, people had made up their mind they would lose their ships, people had stuck it for hours and being dedicated to being involved in a Eve history event stayed with it, hell if you want to blame people for trusting CCP then be my guest, I feel however that those players deserved better than that. Its a sad world when the most dedicated passionate people get the biggest kick in the nuts!
I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3588
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:09:00 -
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So much hurf blurf from nullsec and nobody notices this one thing.
Even though the destination was nullsec, a lot of these so-called risk averse carebears still showed up.
To deny that is to deny the evidence: look at all the boasting coming from nullsec. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
163
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:10:00 -
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Octoven wrote: I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.
No, you are wrong, CCP has a responsibility for that event, yes it would have been wiser for people to drop out and many did, but still you are asking people who put faith in CCP to take part of the blame, for what was poor planning and execution on the part of CCP, sorry no. The example I gave you about a FC was where I could clearly see the outcome and my ship was the loss, the players concerned were not worried about their ships, they wanted to be part of the event, there was no clarity on the outcome until they were told the event had ended, they can only be held responsible for being dedicated to being part of Eve history, the blame is all on CCP. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
248
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:12:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Octoven wrote: I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going. No, you are wrong, CCP has a responsibility for that event, yes it would have been wiser for people to drop out and many did, but still you are asking people who put faith in CCP to take part of the blame, for what was poor planning and execution on the part of CCP, sorry no. The example I gave you about a FC was where I could clearly see the outcome and my ship was the loss, the players concerned were not worried about their ships, they wanted to be part of the event, there was no clarity on the outcome until they were told the event had ended, they can only be held responsible for being dedicated to being part of Eve history, the blame is all on CCP.
Well that is your opinion, the fact remains you all still wasted your time because you trusted CCP to give you an event that was within a decent time frame. If you cant be bother to turn back when it was taking to long or when you knew you wouldn't make it in time...well I don't know what to tell you other than you deserve the treatment you put your own selves through. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
163
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:13:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Octoven wrote: I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going. No, you are wrong, CCP has a responsibility for that event, yes it would have been wiser for people to drop out and many did, but still you are asking people who put faith in CCP to take part of the blame, for what was poor planning and execution on the part of CCP, sorry no. The example I gave you about a FC was where I could clearly see the outcome and my ship was the loss, the players concerned were not worried about their ships, they wanted to be part of the event, there was no clarity on the outcome until they were told the event had ended, they can only be held responsible for being dedicated to being part of Eve history, the blame is all on CCP. Well that is your opinion, the fact remains you all still wasted your time because you trusted CCP to give you an event that was within a decent time frame. If you cant be bother to turn back when it was taking to long or when you knew you wouldn't make it in time...well I don't know what to tell you other than you deserve the treatment you put your own selves through.
They did not know they would not make it on time!!!! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
295
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:16:00 -
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Octoven wrote: I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.
I belive you have a bit of trouble with the last line. Most players already accepted the responsibility of following a bad FC (it's the norm during live events). There were even organized fleets from highsec with good FC's who led their fleets into the gatecamps. In many times people have been informed during the event that it went to null and would loose their ship, those unwilling (mostly) turned around, save a few without common sense.
In this case, the people accepted their decision of following the Live Event actor into death, they knew what would happen and accepted that responsibility. Most of the complaining and raging isn't about dying to nullsec camps. It's about the fact there was no tangible event. Many pushed trough in hopes to see a live event unfold at the targetsystems, but even that failed to happen properly, as it was over when the larger fleets finally managed to get there.
In short CCP isn't blamed for the many deaths at gatecamps. they're blamed for wasting people's time for what was supposed to be a large Lore event (they even hinted it at their announcement posts it could be at the scale of the navy Invasions).
As for people not accepting their responsibility, outside some, many accepted it and quite some had a blast fighting the gatecamps, even tho death was certain. Hell I even got complains of people who got ignored by the gatecamps. However many felt let down that there was just no lorebuilding done around it by the Live Event actors. Aurora Arcology Project Newsfeed: Capsuleers Respond to Call to Arms, Navies fail to support! |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3593
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:30:00 -
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If there is only one thing that has me miffed about this, it can be this:
We have seen CCP work with in-game organizations before. The "latest" scandal was with Somer Blink and we need not go into that (and what anybody thinks about it, scandal or not, etc)..
So if CCP will go to in-game organizations and work with them for some promotional or program, then why did they not approach FCORD, SYNE, IRED, and some of the other RP-related organizations for this live event?
It wouldn't even have requiring any "giving" of ships.
Did the unholy screeching outrage over Somer Blink suddenly make CCP extremely averse to working with any player-run orgs? Did they have a policy change because of it, so such level that their hands were tied for this live event (and hence the lack of organization)?
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
886
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:53:00 -
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I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.
Here's a question for Octoven:
With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?
There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
887
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:01:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If there is only one thing that has me miffed about this, it can be this:
We have seen CCP work with in-game organizations before. The latest "scandal" was with Somer Blink and we need not go into that (and what anybody thinks about it, scandal or not, etc)..
So if CCP will go to in-game organizations and work with them for some promotional or program, then why did they not approach FCORD, SYNE, IRED, and some of the other RP-related organizations for this live event?
It wouldn't even have requiring any "giving" of ships. FCORD came into existence just because of the Sansha live events (as I recall).
Did the unholy screeching outrage over Somer Blink suddenly make CCP extremely averse to working with any player-run orgs? Did they have a policy change because of it, so such level that their hands were tied for this live event (and hence the lack of organization)?
Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders.
They stated very clearly that they, CCP and CCP Devs, would be forming fleets at 1850hrs in the staging systems. I personally joined the 3 extra chat channels provided from various links along with Local (OFC ) and not once did I see an RPG Character or CCP Dev post anything up once. All the information I received was 3rd hand from a copy and paste that I could neither confirm not deny until I scrolled on through the chaotic "WTF!" "Where are we supposed to go" "Who's in charge" type of spam that was in all channels. I couldn't keep track of all the chatter that was going on along with aligning to stargates in TiDi (while maintaining that I was about to be ganked) and trying to organise and converse with my fleet in Fleet Chat and on TS3 along with trying to recruit members into the fleet en-route. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
288
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:11:00 -
[983] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If there is only one thing that has me miffed about this, it can be this:
We have seen CCP work with in-game organizations before. The latest "scandal" was with Somer Blink and we need not go into that (and what anybody thinks about it, scandal or not, etc)..
So if CCP will go to in-game organizations and work with them for some promotional or program, then why did they not approach FCORD, SYNE, IRED, and some of the other RP-related organizations for this live event?
It wouldn't even have requiring any "giving" of ships. FCORD came into existence just because of the Sansha live events (as I recall).
Did the unholy screeching outrage over Somer Blink suddenly make CCP extremely averse to working with any player-run orgs? Did they have a policy change because of it, so such level that their hands were tied for this live event (and hence the lack of organization)? Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders. They stated very clearly that they, CCP and CCP Devs, would be forming fleets at 1850hrs in the staging systems. I personally joined the 3 extra chat channels provided from various links along with Local (OFC  ) and not once did I see an RPG Character or CCP Dev post anything up once. All the information I received was 3rd hand from a copy and paste that I could neither confirm not deny until I scrolled on through the chaotic "WTF!" "Where are we supposed to go" "Who's in charge" type of spam that was in all channels. I couldn't keep track of all the chatter that was going on along with aligning to stargates in TiDi (while maintaining that I was about to be ganked) and trying to organise and converse with my fleet in Fleet Chat and on TS3 along with trying to recruit members into the fleet en-route. There were some yellow instructions in Sarum prime local buried in mass spam who all moved out of amarr for the day, but some of those were trolling in game links ,there was one that appeared more genuine, so after seeing the same in twitter, I thought what the hell I will not get anything done waiting here.so pretty much the same experience as you.Never saw a CCP post at all.Sorry I missed you, would have been good to be in a fleet, but in the end It was over before I even got there. Sig |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
887
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:12:00 -
[984] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote: Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders.
Yup they did, and had a blast. They even managed to reach the Serpentis station (one of them even brought his Vindicator for Glorious Death! ) You can find the FCORD report here: Impression of a large fleet . It's one of the more positive threads on the event (focuses on the action itself, not the CCP screwups) Edit: to clarify, this is the action viewpoint of the highsec players, wich seems okay for both sides.
Ha ha you must've posted as I was editing and getting links from the other screen. I knew I'd read an awesome WoT (not that I minded as it was superbly written). Nice job though adding that info. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
887
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:19:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:There were some yellow instructions in Sarum prime local buried in mass spam who all moved out of amarr for the day, but some of those were trolling in game links ,there was one that appeared more genuine, so after seeing the same in twitter, I thought what the hell I will not get anything done waiting here.so pretty much the same experience as you.Never saw a CCP post at all.Sorry I missed you, would have been good to be in a fleet, but in the end It was over before I even got there.
Yeah there were links of all sorts being thrown up along with uncoloured text claiming to be from this or that person every so often (and the only reason I managed to catch where we were supposed to head to). I did manage to catch the very bottom of the MotD and scrolled up to realise instructions were being updated there. Again this was communicated clearly at all and there should've been a new channel (possibly called "Sarum Prime Fleet LE) created with gagging for everyone not an RPG FC\CCP Dev\ISD or whoever was running the show. Another for Meves etc etc. I saw X's up in all three channels I joined every second if not more than once a second along with the Amarr market scams and stuff going on it was complete chaos.
Shame I missed you as the fleet I was in was completely kitchen-sink ad-hoc based everyone trusting whoever was in fleet and you know what, that part felt good, it felt like old EVE Online before the paranoia the modern version we now know where anyone could be either a spy, scammer, awoxer, ganker, etc etc and if they were it didn't matter...we were ready to die in a ball of fire for what we believed in that day.
I actually lost a ship on Saturday by screwing up royally and LMFAO in Local! Had a laugh with the gatecampers (while warping my pod between celestials and BM's) for about 15 minutes and I was even in a blank clone then. Not bothered about having my ships blown up at all but don't like the though of what they might have done with my corpse . You know what I mean . Ebil . Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
251
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:30:00 -
[986] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.
Here's a question for Octoven:
With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?
There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort.
The goal of the event was to reach each of the pirate facilities. Common sense says that if the NPC leader reaches the facility and attacks and destroys...or his fleet wipes, its game over. If you are 4 jumps behind the primary CCP fleet and under 10% TiDi thats roughly what....20 minutes at best travel time. Plenty of time to take down a bloody flimsy pirate structure don't you think? I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal, I followed it. I never waited for conformation of information.
As a result I arrived in Ihal around 18:47 which is the same time I joined the coordinator fleet. The coordinator formed fleet in that system, and posted in fleet chat 19:14 that we would move out at 19:20. I was screaming in the events channel to move to Ihal and still had people going no...I refuse to move till CCP tells me in game.
At 20:22 he stated "Alright, I think there's enough of us now." I don't know about you mate, but that is usually a clue to me they have begun engaging the facility. Typically if you are 4 jumps out you are NOT going to make it in time. If you are further you still wouldnt.
RVB was engaging the goonies in Doril which was 3 out I think? When I spoke to someone in RVB they said they engaged to make room for the 5-6 fleets that were 3-4 jumps behind THEM. If you follow the timeline then it is usually an indicator that the event will be over before you get there. They aren't going to hang around for 3 hours waiting on people who refused to move to ihal when they should have and instead stayed in Sarum...having fore knowledge that we WOULD be heading toward Utopia which was 28ish jumps from Sarum to begin with.
Yes there was some communication and organizational issues, but judging from the reaction of those in the coordinator fleet, they honestly had no ******* clue what was going on and that only made the issue worse. The worst part of this was the FC was giving detailed commands, but people were so busy spamming...whoa man this TiDi is trippy and too excited to STFU enough to see commands so they got left behind and pissed when they got there and it was over. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
887
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:39:00 -
[987] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.
Here's a question for Octoven:
With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?
There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort. The goal of the event was to reach each of the pirate facilities. Common sense says that if the NPC leader reaches the facility and attacks and destroys...or his fleet wipes, its game over. If you are 4 jumps behind the primary CCP fleet and under 10% TiDi thats roughly what....20 minutes at best travel time. Plenty of time to take down a bloody flimsy pirate structure don't you think? I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal, I followed it. I never waited for conformation of information. As a result I arrived in Ihal around 18:47 which is the same time I joined the coordinator fleet. The coordinator formed fleet in that system, and posted in fleet chat 19:14 that we would move out at 19:20. I was screaming in the events channel to move to Ihal and still had people going no...I refuse to move till CCP tells me in game. At 20:22 he stated "Alright, I think there's enough of us now." I don't know about you mate, but that is usually a clue to me they have begun engaging the facility. Typically if you are 4 jumps out you are NOT going to make it in time. If you are further you still wouldnt. RVB was engaging the goonies in Doril which was 3 out I think? When I spoke to someone in RVB they said they engaged to make room for the 5-6 fleets that were 3-4 jumps behind THEM. If you follow the timeline then it is usually an indicator that the event will be over before you get there. They aren't going to hang around for 3 hours waiting on people who refused to move to ihal when they should have and instead stayed in Sarum...having fore knowledge that we WOULD be heading toward Utopia which was 28ish jumps from Sarum to begin with. Yes there was some communication and organizational issues, but judging from the reaction of those in the coordinator fleet, they honestly had no ******* clue what was going on and that only made the issue worse. The worst part of this was the FC was giving detailed commands, but people were so busy spamming...whoa man this TiDi is trippy and too excited to STFU enough to see commands so they got left behind and pissed when they got there and it was over.
It's great that you can lay out the timeline after the event but with the spam and chatter etc I personally never saw any of that as stated was bumped to Irnal due to relog after audio issues. So when official comms are being passed over and then relayed to others etc how much time delay do you think that involves.
As I said in a post above this "wasn't communicated clearly at all and there should've been a new channel (possibly called "Sarum Prime Fleet LE) created with gagging for everyone not an RPG FC\CCP Dev\ISD or whoever was running the show. Another for Meves etc etc. I saw X's up in all three channels I joined every second if not more than once a second along with the Amarr market scams and stuff going on it was complete chaos." Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:40:00 -
[988] - Quote
Here is a nice blog / news about this.
http://aurora-arcology.blogspot.be/2013/11/capsuleers-respond-en-masse-to-call-for.html "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
251
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:40:00 -
[989] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.
Here's a question for Octoven:
With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?
There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort. The goal of the event was to reach each of the pirate facilities. Common sense says that if the NPC leader reaches the facility and attacks and destroys...or his fleet wipes, its game over. If you are 4 jumps behind the primary CCP fleet and under 10% TiDi thats roughly what....20 minutes at best travel time. Plenty of time to take down a bloody flimsy pirate structure don't you think? I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal, I followed it. I never waited for conformation of information. As a result I arrived in Ihal around 18:47 which is the same time I joined the coordinator fleet. The coordinator formed fleet in that system, and posted in fleet chat 19:14 that we would move out at 19:20. I was screaming in the events channel to move to Ihal and still had people going no...I refuse to move till CCP tells me in game. At 20:22 he stated "Alright, I think there's enough of us now." I don't know about you mate, but that is usually a clue to me they have begun engaging the facility. Typically if you are 4 jumps out you are NOT going to make it in time. If you are further you still wouldnt. RVB was engaging the goonies in Doril which was 3 out I think? When I spoke to someone in RVB they said they engaged to make room for the 5-6 fleets that were 3-4 jumps behind THEM. If you follow the timeline then it is usually an indicator that the event will be over before you get there. They aren't going to hang around for 3 hours waiting on people who refused to move to ihal when they should have and instead stayed in Sarum...having fore knowledge that we WOULD be heading toward Utopia which was 28ish jumps from Sarum to begin with. Yes there was some communication and organizational issues, but judging from the reaction of those in the coordinator fleet, they honestly had no ******* clue what was going on and that only made the issue worse. The worst part of this was the FC was giving detailed commands, but people were so busy spamming...whoa man this TiDi is trippy and too excited to STFU enough to see commands so they got left behind and pissed when they got there and it was over. It's great that you can lay out the timeline after the event but with the spam and chatter etc I personally never saw any of that as stated was bumped to Irnal due to relog after audio issues. So when official comms are being passed over and then relayed to others etc how much time delay do you think that involves. As I said in a post above this "wasn't communicated clearly at all and there should've been a new channel (possibly called "Sarum Prime Fleet LE) created with gagging for everyone not an RPG FC\CCP Dev\ISD or whoever was running the show. Another for Meves etc etc. I saw X's up in all three channels I joined every second if not more than once a second along with the Amarr market scams and stuff going on it was complete chaos."
Did you also notice people offing fleet members? We had several in fleet popping friendlies too. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
887
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:46:00 -
[990] - Quote
@Octoven:
Also "I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal" now I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong but watching:
1) Live Events IG Channel 2) Intergalactic Summits IG Channel 3) Fleet Chat 4) Local Chat 5) Out of Character Channel (had to go through my Chat Log file for that name!) 6) Private convos organising fleet
And I didn't use Twitter...how stupid of me. Are you really going to use that against me as an excuse for this mismanagement when I had all of the above going on along with actually pilotting\trying to stop my ship getting ganked en-route and TS going in my ear?
Come on mate. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
251
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:49:00 -
[991] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:@Octoven:
Also "I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal" now I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong but watching:
1) Live Events IG Channel 2) Intergalactic Summits IG Channel 3) Fleet Chat 4) Local Chat 5) Out of Character Channel (had to go through my Chat Log file for that name!) 6) Private convos organising fleet
And I didn't use Twitter...how stupid of me. Are you really going to use that against me as an excuse for this mismanagement when I had all of the above going on along with actually pilotting\trying to stop my ship getting ganked en-route and TS going in my ear?
Come on mate.
Absolutely not; however, when someone in those channels says there is a tweet about moving to Ihal, you could at least take all of about 5 seconds to look to confirm it was indeed from eve twitter. I noticed at least 3 channels that not only posted the exact text of the tweets, but also posted the link to the tweet in channel too. Just click, read, close in game browser and move. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
888
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:52:00 -
[992] - Quote
Yeah I've read that and although well written it slants towards an IC view. I'm trying to present a crystal clear view of what my and others issues\complaints are without confusing them with RPG. No offence and hope that makes sense. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4818
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:52:00 -
[993] - Quote
Sounds like all you really should have needed was for EVE Voice to be working properly. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
888
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:54:00 -
[994] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:@Octoven:
Also "I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal" now I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong but watching:
1) Live Events IG Channel 2) Intergalactic Summits IG Channel 3) Fleet Chat 4) Local Chat 5) Out of Character Channel (had to go through my Chat Log file for that name!) 6) Private convos organising fleet
And I didn't use Twitter...how stupid of me. Are you really going to use that against me as an excuse for this mismanagement when I had all of the above going on along with actually pilotting\trying to stop my ship getting ganked en-route and TS going in my ear?
Come on mate. Absolutely not; however, when someone in those channels says there is a tweet about moving to Ihal, you could at least take all of about 5 seconds to look to confirm it was indeed from eve twitter. I noticed at least 3 channels that not only posted the exact text of the tweets, but also posted the link to the tweet in channel too. Just click, read, close in game browser and move.
Didn't know IGB did Twitter but I was en-route to Ihal and had hooked up to Twitter when I realised where the info was coming from and then (I did post up but there's been so many that I was 2 jumps from Shedoo) it was classed as officially over. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
288
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:56:00 -
[995] - Quote
With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserver time checking.
The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions. The idea proposed by maximus i believe to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues. As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.
He had a good idea, will help no end. Sig |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
251
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:01:00 -
[996] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.
The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions. The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues. As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.
He had a good idea, will help no end.
Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
289
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:07:00 -
[997] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.
The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions. The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues. As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.
He had a good idea, will help no end. Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is. Ok I understand your point, but as we saw disrupting a live event, may have been fun for some, but it did'nt do anything for the live event itself other than making it even more chaotic,and it was that even without help. I am not sure if a live event can even occur when there is so much interference? No problem having local open, and infiltrating a fleet and awoxing it. Sowing confusion through other channels etc. But a channel for ccp to issue instructions that cannot be compromised is I feel a requirement for a test. I respect you may disagree. Sig |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
888
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:08:00 -
[998] - Quote
Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.
The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions. The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues. As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.
He had a good idea, will help no end. Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is.
In fact it's not too much to ask to have clear and concise information if you are hosting and advertising a "Unique...never to be repeated" IG Event or that it should be in a dedicated channel. CCP were leading us to the slaughter that it turned out to be anyway but I'm sure if the Null Bloc really used their heads they would've cut the disruption and let us keep on coming...more kills to take from the CCP driven turkey shoot that this event was and I'm sure it would've blown them through the roof (not that this is my issue TBH as I lost nothing IG wise). Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
289
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:10:00 -
[999] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.
The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions. The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues. As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.
He had a good idea, will help no end. Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is. In fact it's not too much to ask to have clear and concise information if you are hosting and advertising a "Unique...never to be repeated" IG Event or that it should be in a dedicated channel. CCP were leading us to the slaughter that it turned out to be anyway but I'm sure if the Null Bloc really used their heads they would've cut the disruption and let us keep on coming...more kills to take from the CCP driven turkey shoot that this event was and I'm sure it would've blown them through the roof (not that this is my issue TBH as I lost nothing IG wise).
To clarify and prevent the usual, I also lost Nothing, I was ready to.I came to see what there was to see and did not expect to come back intact. I agree, If communications were better, they would have been able to exterminate far far more of us. Sig |

Drakast
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:13:00 -
[1000] - Quote
brilliant move by CCP, +1
As i am sure they will confirm. EVERYTHING went as planned.
all part of the storyline, they will tell you.
every pilot who went out on this doomed fleet is going to be a lore hero,
i would not be surprised if you find a floating monument with all the names of the pilots who died on that fateful fleet anchored in space right after downtime on the 19th of this month.
rubicon is coming and if your p*ssing and moaning about this your going to have a full on fit when the heavy crap arrives. new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.
as to why CCP has kept silent, they dont need to say anything your all doing it for them. Be happy Be proud you were there. for every winner there has to be losers and guess what this time it was you lot, next time.....you decide. |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
888
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:23:00 -
[1001] - Quote
Drakast wrote:brilliant move by CCP, +1
As i am sure they will confirm. EVERYTHING went as planned.
all part of the storyline, they will tell you.
every pilot who went out on this doomed fleet is going to be a lore hero,
i would not be surprised if you find a floating monument with all the names of the pilots who died on that fateful fleet anchored in space right after downtime on the 19th of this month.
rubicon is coming and if your p*ssing and moaning about this your going to have a full on fit when the heavy crap arrives. new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.
as to why CCP has kept silent, they dont need to say anything your all doing it for them. Be happy Be proud you were there. for every winner there has to be losers and guess what this time it was you lot, next time.....you decide.
Now tell me, oh informed one, what of those that tried their damnedest never had a chance to even be part of that "doomed fleet"? Out of IG reference what are you thoughts on any of the important customer\service related issues and complaints raised in this thread or even on the "tinfoil hattery" of the theories?
I'm curious to know your thoughts as I don't think you've read an ounce of what this thread is actually about I'm afraid and if I'm wrong then I apologise. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
291
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:28:00 -
[1002] - Quote
Drakast wrote:brilliant move by CCP, +1
As i am sure they will confirm. EVERYTHING went as planned.
all part of the storyline, they will tell you.
every pilot who went out on this doomed fleet is going to be a lore hero,
i would not be surprised if you find a floating monument with all the names of the pilots who died on that fateful fleet anchored in space right after downtime on the 19th of this month.
rubicon is coming and if your p*ssing and moaning about this your going to have a full on fit when the heavy crap arrives. new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.
as to why CCP has kept silent, they dont need to say anything your all doing it for them. Be happy Be proud you were there. for every winner there has to be losers and guess what this time it was you lot, next time.....you decide. you may be right on many of the coming changes, It will be certainly interesting, but for now the issues of trust and competence /Bias need to be addressed, as if they are not, the suspicion is that the tin hat theories may turn out to be more than that,and will be part of the structure for the future.
The thinking may be "we got away with that, time to really pile the pain on" Sig |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
890
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:31:00 -
[1003] - Quote
Drakast wrote:new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.
I've seen none of the above advertised as part of the Rubicon expansion but I have seen suggestions in F&I and that's about it so would you mind posting a link to verify these claims as I'm more than a little curious.
EDIT:
Page 51 and still no CCP response or further update as to any intention on addressing their customers concerns despite appeasing the Null Bloc when they shafted them in Z9PP with multiple apologies and a full report in under 2 hours. Disgraceful CCP and you should be ashamed right now that this is how you treat some of your customer base.
I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
251
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:48:00 -
[1004] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Drakast wrote:new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming. I've seen none of the above advertised as part of the Rubicon expansion but I have seen suggestions in F&I and that's about it so would you mind posting a link to verify these claims as I'm more than a little curious. EDIT: Page 51 and still no CCP response or further update as to any intention on addressing their customers concerns despite appeasing the Null Bloc when they shafted them in Z9PP with multiple apologies and a full report in under 2 hours. Disgraceful CCP and you should be ashamed right now that this is how you treat some of your customer base. I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard.
To be more accurate, your subscription is costing more using PLEX...only you aren't paying cash for it, someone else is. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
890
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:51:00 -
[1005] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Drakast wrote:new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming. I've seen none of the above advertised as part of the Rubicon expansion but I have seen suggestions in F&I and that's about it so would you mind posting a link to verify these claims as I'm more than a little curious. EDIT: Page 51 and still no CCP response or further update as to any intention on addressing their customers concerns despite appeasing the Null Bloc when they shafted them in Z9PP with multiple apologies and a full report in under 2 hours. Disgraceful CCP and you should be ashamed right now that this is how you treat some of your customer base. I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard. To be more accurate, your subscription is costing more using PLEX...only you aren't paying cash for it, someone else is.
That really makes no sense I'm afraid as I read it : you think I PLEX...and as stated I've never PLEX'd. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
252
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:03:00 -
[1006] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:[ -snipped- I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard. To be more accurate, your subscription is costing more using PLEX...only you aren't paying cash for it, someone else is. That really makes no sense I'm afraid as I read it : you think I PLEX...and as stated I've never PLEX'd.
Sorry, forgot to put the IF statement in there. Had you PLEXed you would infact be paying more lol except you pass the cost to someone else, eitherway the account is paid for. However, since you never PLEXed disregard I guess. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
19
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:04:00 -
[1007] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and BTW folks, for those wondering why CCP is taking so long to respond to this debacle, you must cut them some slack. You know it is the weekend, and they have much more important things to do.
You know, like how SEVEN CCP dev's are guest-spotting on a panel hosting a null sec PvP tourney that caters to about 150 null sec pilots, on THE TEST SINGULARITY SERVER, USING THE RUBICON CHANGES.
You know, have to keep your priorities straight.
Debacle? Really?
It was funny. Not an ideal outcome for a live event, perhaps, but both the event, and the tears that followed, were utterly hilarious.
How the **** could anyone fail to be amused by this whole thing?
Why not reach back behind yourself and pull that stick out of your ass? You'll feel better. |

Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
36
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:38:00 -
[1008] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:[ -snipped- I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard. To be more accurate, your subscription is costing more using PLEX...only you aren't paying cash for it, someone else is. That really makes no sense I'm afraid as I read it : you think I PLEX...and as stated I've never PLEX'd. Sorry, forgot to put the IF statement in there. Had you PLEXed you would infact be paying more lol except you pass the cost to someone else, eitherway the account is paid for. However, since you never PLEXed disregard I guess.
I think the significant point if you PLEX is you are not the sucker paying for a minimally managed poorly run game.
Rage quitting is silly ... however up to this point I have been paying for my main and plexing alts as i like the idea of "doing the right thing" and contributing financially to the game.
From this point on I will only plex and if limited time to play EVE eventually means my account goes inactive (which is likely for me when Pathfinder Online kicks off next year) I will take it as time to fade away and leave EVE to the goons. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
72
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:54:00 -
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Halaxi wrote:Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else.
We definitely could. That's why I strongly oppose the idea of reimbursement - the loss of ships and pods, and the subsequent spoils for the gankers, were all part and parcel of the eve experience. But to be led to a very much obvious slaughter, that wasn't our fault - our fault was to trust CCP, or to believe to the end that we'd be having part in the event. And their fault was to ignore us before, during, and after the event. One blog linked here claims the CCP-led npcs jumped, instead of going through gates, to the destination systems. Other accounts refer that the CCP people ignored the capsuleers and proceeded to attack the station without backup (being slaughtered). The event was supposed to be the navies working with capsuleers to press into pirate space - yet no one has seen the navies.
Quote:I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here.
You, sir, are a master of understatement ;) Yes we could have. But what would that have accomplished? It would've saved our ships; but as mentioned countless times, ships weren't a matter - we wanted to be part of something extraordinnaire, and that's what was sorely missing. If it had been missing right away, it would've been disappointing. Being led to the slaughter for 2 neverending hours and being told the event was over before (by most accounts) half the people reached the destination... that's what is not acceptable in my book.
If the only redeeming quality of this event is "You could avoid it", then you'll agree with me we're better off without them. |

Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:26:00 -
[1010] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-L0PZGN3XI
Fortunately we have the movie from the perspective from the Razor fleet. I laughed pretty hard seeing this, and i am also not suprised by who was leading the Razor fleet. Only one man in EVE can lead a massacre like that. Hehehehe.
Unfortunately i couldn't make it because of irl stuff, but i would have loved to be part of the carebear execution squad. Ah well, thats life i guess.
The only thing which suprises me is the utter retardness of people thinking "hey lets send a good 2000 high sec carebears to a system in null sec. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?"
From a null sec perspective: Not much really.  |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3599
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:51:00 -
[1011] - Quote
Higgs Foton wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-L0PZGN3XI Fortunately we have the movie from the perspective from the Razor fleet. I laughed pretty hard seeing this, and i am also not suprised by who was leading the Razor fleet. Only one man in EVE can lead a massacre like that. Hehehehe. Unfortunately i couldn't make it because of irl stuff, but i would have loved to be part of the carebear execution squad. Ah well, thats life i guess. The only thing which suprises me is the utter retardness of people thinking "hey lets send a good 2000 high sec carebears to a system in null sec. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?" From a null sec perspective: Not much really. 
The next time a lowsec camper or nullbear is raging about people being too risk averse to leave highsec, will you say something about it?
CCP managed to do something that all the raging of people like yourself could not do.
And yet you missed that. If they never left highsec, there would be no slaughter. So they left highsec, and if you read the threads, nobody was expecting to be victorious (not stopping the pirate labs is why we will have new content soon).
Lack of experience and organization led to a predictable outcome. This would happen in any case.
So, don't leave highsec, get called a carebear and maligned for not playing the game right. CCP gets people to cross the line, they get popped, and now they are "********".
Lowsec was full of "BOOM HEADSHOT PHAG Go back to WOW !" and look how target rich it is now.
Could it be said that there are those who turned around when they found out what the final destination was? Probably. But it did not become a ghost town in live events the moment the route was confirmed.
What is lost in the entire debate is that the carebears are not as risk averse as the nullsec propaganda implies. CCP may have discovered something.
Maybe someday there will be more, and the players will be better experienced. Will you like this or hate it? Will you say one thing then another? If people are going to be called ******** for playing a game and losing, their solution will be not to play with you, or not to play the game on your terms. That means you get to sit at a gate and watch the space tumbleweeds roll by.
(then you'll be here in the forums complaining about carebears never leaving highsec)
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
299
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:12:00 -
[1012] - Quote
Higgs Foton wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-L0PZGN3XI Fortunately we have the movie from the perspective from the Razor fleet. I laughed pretty hard seeing this, and i am also not suprised by who was leading the Razor fleet. Only one man in EVE can lead a massacre like that. Hehehehe. Unfortunately i couldn't make it because of irl stuff, but i would have loved to be part of the carebear execution squad. Ah well, thats life i guess. The only thing which suprises me is the utter retardness of people thinking "hey lets send a good 2000 high sec carebears to a system in null sec. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?" From a null sec perspective: Not much really. 
Actually thank you very much for posting that, It showed things very clearly.
It is not credible that anyone was so "********" as to do that accidentally.
Looks like they couldn't even be bothered to pretend it was an event after getting everyone to the initial muster points.
Just string them out over 20+ systems and feed them in.
Well at least we know what happened, Maybe CCP can shed some light as to why they led over 2000 intentionally to their deaths as a nicely wrapped Gift and were any arrangements made for payment or favors? Unless they have some other explanation?
They must have some reason for doing it?
CCP come on, do you really think that videos like this would not come out? And that people would not share their experiences?
We are hoping you can come out with some justification or explanation. The worst result for your playerbase is that you just do not care either way. we assumed the best, then we got worried and then we realised that never in our worst nightmares could we grasp the thought of what actually happened.
Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:13:00 -
[1013] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
What is lost in the entire debate is that the carebears are not as risk averse as the nullsec propaganda implies. CCP may have discovered something.
Maybe someday there will be more, and the players will be better experienced. Will you like this or hate it? Will you say one thing then another? If people are going to be called ******** for playing a game and losing, their solution will be not to play with you, or not to play the game on your terms. That means you get to sit at a gate and watch the space tumbleweeds roll by.
(then you'll be here in the forums complaining about carebears never leaving highsec)
Having spent a lot of time in losec with alts lately .... my impression is that aside from those people who actually live in losec or wormholes ... most of the rest are from hisec rather than null.
Nor do you get a lot of null people in non-blue null space, whereas I know quite a few highsec people that like to go gank miners and ninja loot all over null. That find it hilarious as apparently the average null sec player cannot small gang or solo PvP. Some are very good at it, but most are not. (nor am I for that matter, the extent of my PvP last few days was escaping a legion camping a losec gate, but that is beside the point I make no claims to be a leet PvPer).
Ironically, one thing I have noticed is that highsec dwellers tend to be individual who do not like the idea of being lemmings in some huge alliance run by a couple of individuals with way too much time on their hands. Null sounds too much like corporate town where you kotow to the big bosses at all times. Ironically null is the total opposite of what the historical "privateer" pirate was about.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
271
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:15:00 -
[1014] - Quote
You're going to get called names for the following:
- Winning - Losing - Having a badly fitted ship - Having an expensively fitted ship (despite the fact you could afford it anyway.) - Being good - Being bad - Everything else.
Smack is not a flaw, it's like spice - it adds to the flavor.
The one thing people keep misunderstanding is the fact null people aren't really that afraid of an attack by hisec. We're really not, the reason it didn't work is that nearly every hisec carebear wants to be a special snowflake and doesn't listen to the FC/get into a not terrible fit ship that won't make his wallet blink.
That and when after meditating for many hours and experiencing a self-discovery (That their wallets are full and listening to people isn't making their spacedicks shrink) they realize it's actually fun, they usually join the ~evil crowd~ and have a blast shooting folk. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
301
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:29:00 -
[1015] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:You're going to get called names for the following:
- Winning - Losing - Having a badly fitted ship - Having an expensively fitted ship (despite the fact you could afford it anyway.) - Being good - Being bad - Everything else.
Smack is not a flaw, it's like spice - it adds to the flavor.
The one thing people keep misunderstanding is the fact null people aren't really that afraid of an attack by hisec. We're really not, the reason it didn't work is that nearly every hisec carebear wants to be a special snowflake and doesn't listen to the FC/get into a not terrible fit ship that won't make his wallet blink.
That and when after meditating for many hours and experiencing a self-discovery (That their wallets are full and listening to people isn't making their spacedicks shrink) they realize it's actually fun, they usually join the ~evil crowd~ and have a blast shooting folk. Actually one of the reasons for hisecs attractiveness, is it a place you can dip in and out of, sure some people never go out of it, many do for all sorts of reasons,Many travel more than many null residents who stay in the comparative safety of their alliance space, but too some nullsec residents also travel widely. The point is that actually there are all types of people in all space apart from where they have joined a strictly regulated group. Then their options are limited. Some hisec people are scared of shadows, some nullsec residents jump into station when there is a neutral in local. no difference there. the only difference between null and hisec is the smacktalk.
If either group is exterminated or forced to live In a space that doesn't actually exist, then everyone loses. And we all live under a single dictatorship,which changes according to which faction is winning that day. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:44:00 -
[1016] - Quote
Eve isn't a sand box. Or if it is a sand box it's a Viking sand box. There are endless shiny tools to smash up other people's sand castles and mechanics to ruin their sand sculptures whilst the folks that like to build sand castles have a few warped and misshaped object d'art to craft with.
Sure you can market trade, because Vikings need a place to buy weapons and ships. You can mine, because weapons need ore. You can manufacture because someone needs to turn that ore into weapons. But at the end of the day a Viking hits someone with that weapon and takes their stuff, then gets drunk and mates with their livestock.
Have you ever wondered why the market interface or industry haven't been updated in forever? Well that stuff is for serfs and unmanly man.
This is a Viking sand box for Vikings.
If you can find some way to have fun as a non-Viking that's great but mostly, eventually, you'll realize that your occupation isn't really supported or developed or, in many case, fun. If the Vikings look over at you and you're doing something that they can't pillage or you seem to be making too much money, they will pray to their developer gods to be allowed tools to grief you, or just get their developer gods to nerf your play style.
Because you aren't playing a Viking.
Looked at from this angle, if one wanted to be charitable to CCP, the story of this live event look more like something out of the first crusade. In 1095 Pope Urban called for a great crusade that ended up being tasked with recapturing the holy lands. The denizens of high sec (er, Europe) responded en masse and started heading for Constantinople. The Pope failed to provide guidance or even food, they traveled under terrible conditions and some turned back, yet many persevered despite the lack of planning, the lack of supplies, and the lack of organization. Many of the people's crusade pushed on to the holy lands.
Where they were summarily dispatched by the trained Turks who had had ample notice of their arrival, were disciplined and trained in war.
So Eve is Real. Sort of. If you hand wave rather vigorously... Urban didn't direct the people's crusade, he didn't march them around in circles or send his commanders to lead them into ambushes. Etc.
And he did give the crusaders a definite target and a target that needed substantial military force to overcome. He didn't send them after poorly guarded secret, hidden, facilities by announcing to the entire world that those secret facilities were the target.
If you are mad about this event then it might be worth stepping back for a moment and asking yourself... Why should CCP always role play competent commanders? Not only competent commanders but commanders that are far more competent than some of their real life contemporaries?
It sucks that your time was wasted. At least you got to sort-of make a mark, and have a (not very complimentary) story to tell other people about Eve and CCP. How many ages would you have to play another MMORPG in order to get a story like this, even if you were they butt of the joke?
It sucks that someone, like me, that doesn't have much interest in being a Viking gets to sort through a thousand iterations of ways to kill people and take their stuff only to find that there are zero iterations of building a space house.
But that's the game, it's what you pay for or choose not to pay for. An awful lot of people have chosen not to pay for it, which maybe should be pause for thought for CCP. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3601
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:01:00 -
[1017] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:You're going to get called names for the following:
- Winning - Losing - Having a badly fitted ship - Having an expensively fitted ship (despite the fact you could afford it anyway.) - Being good - Being bad - Everything else.
Smack is not a flaw, it's like spice - it adds to the flavor.
The one thing people keep misunderstanding is the fact null people aren't really that afraid of an attack by hisec. We're really not, the reason it didn't work is that nearly every hisec carebear wants to be a special snowflake and doesn't listen to the FC/get into a not terrible fit ship that won't make his wallet blink.
That and when after meditating for many hours and experiencing a self-discovery (That their wallets are full and listening to people isn't making their spacedicks shrink) they realize it's actually fun, they usually join the ~evil crowd~ and have a blast shooting folk.
One does not go into a suicide mission from highsec into nullsec under apparently poor management because they want to be a "special snowflake".
You perfectly illustrate some of my points about the poor attitudes of people in nullsec and what truly makes nullsec unattractive (actually joining an alliance - wandering and hunting seems to be for everybody).
You make an assumption that people not playing the game like you are wanting to be "special snowflakes".
Now let's get back to my shark diving example. I really don't go SCUBA diving with sharks. In fact that time I almost got tagged by a bullshark is not something I want to simulate.
But if I were like you, I will stand on a corner with my SCUBA gear and treat everybody who does not go diving with sharks like some kind of loser or coward.
Now, tell me what kind of reaction I will get?
It's pretty much the one you are getting now.
Lo and behold if I did stand on a corner acting like I was better than everybody else because of something I chose to do, THAT is being a special snowflake. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
302
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:04:00 -
[1018] - Quote
Celia Therone wrote:Eve isn't a sand box. Or if it is a sand box it's a Viking sand box. There are endless shiny tools to smash up other people's sand castles and mechanics to ruin their sand sculptures whilst the folks that like to build sand castles have a few warped and misshaped object d'art to craft with.
Sure you can market trade, because Vikings need a place to buy weapons and ships. You can mine, because weapons need ore. You can manufacture because someone needs to turn that ore into weapons. But at the end of the day a Viking hits someone with that weapon and takes their stuff, then gets drunk and mates with their livestock.
Have you ever wondered why the market interface or industry haven't been updated in forever? Well that stuff is for serfs and unmanly man.
This is a Viking sand box for Vikings.
If you can find some way to have fun as a non-Viking that's great but mostly, eventually, you'll realize that your occupation isn't really supported or developed or, in many case, fun. If the Vikings look over at you and you're doing something that they can't pillage or you seem to be making too much money, they will pray to their developer gods to be allowed tools to grief you, or just get their developer gods to nerf your play style.
Because you aren't playing a Viking.
Looked at from this angle, if one wanted to be charitable to CCP, the story of this live event look more like something out of the first crusade. In 1095 Pope Urban called for a great crusade that ended up being tasked with recapturing the holy lands. The denizens of high sec (er, Europe) responded en masse and started heading for Constantinople. The Pope failed to provide guidance or even food, they traveled under terrible conditions and some turned back, yet many persevered despite the lack of planning, the lack of supplies, and the lack of organization. Many of the people's crusade pushed on to the holy lands.
Where they were summarily dispatched by the trained Turks who had had ample notice of their arrival, were disciplined and trained in war.
So Eve is Real. Sort of. If you hand wave rather vigorously... Urban didn't direct the people's crusade, he didn't march them around in circles or send his commanders to lead them into ambushes. Etc.
And he did give the crusaders a definite target and a target that needed substantial military force to overcome. He didn't send them after poorly guarded secret, hidden, facilities by announcing to the entire world that those secret facilities were the target.
If you are mad about this event then it might be worth stepping back for a moment and asking yourself... Why should CCP always role play competent commanders? Not only competent commanders but commanders that are far more competent than some of their real life contemporaries?
It sucks that your time was wasted. At least you got to sort-of make a mark, and have a (not very complimentary) story to tell other people about Eve and CCP. How many ages would you have to play another MMORPG in order to get a story like this, even if you were they butt of the joke?
It sucks that someone, like me, that doesn't have much interest in being a Viking gets to sort through a thousand iterations of ways to kill people and take their stuff only to find that there are zero iterations of building a space house.
But that's the game, it's what you pay for or choose not to pay for. An awful lot of people have chosen not to pay for it, which maybe should be pause for thought for CCP.
Everything you say is very true.but even vikings need the support of their home community to enable them to fight. Without food weapons and ships they are just loud drunks. And if they take on those roles themselves, they are no longer warriors but kept slaves in the stockade.
Oh and pope Urban the second lived 11 years in power even though he tried to be a peacemaker between the different countries of Europe. Apparently he appeased one of the power blocks by providing them with patronage gifts and loot from the conquered lands and when the gifts were not enough died mysteriously.
Yup really like the historical comparison. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
892
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:05:00 -
[1019] - Quote
Higgs Foton wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-L0PZGN3XI
The only thing which suprises me is the utter retardness of people thinking "hey lets send a good 2000 high sec carebears to a system in null sec. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?"
Watch Local for the CCP\Actor chat from Ren Karetta (in yellow) also couldn't but notice the CONCORD Bounty Payments coming in so not only buffed KB's but wallets aswell it would seem. Might as well have lined those ships up and rolled the Null Bloc Fleets pass them to pick which ones they wanted first instead of "Battle of the TiDi" for the "event goers" as that's basically what this was...and then this "The only thing which suprises me is the utter retardness of people thinking "hey lets send a good 2000 high sec carebears to a system in null sec"".
My issues, concerns, complaints are more to do with RL than IG as I didn't even get to the 2nd staging area in Ihal before it was declared over. View his video how you will but it's there for all to see now.
Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:09:00 -
[1020] - Quote
If you want a CCP reply mass open petitions.
As for you nullbears you guys are the most risk averse players there are. If numbers aren't in your favor what do you do? You dock up and blueball. Not to mention that most the time you are running anomalies that are PVE. When someone comes in your system what do you do? Thats right you run to a POS or Station. So who is the bigger carebear, null is safer than high sec and yes I live in both. Like I said before the problem was in highsec organisation not with dying.... But I still had fun just had to ignore the CCP FC and use common sense. There is noway a null alliance would move 1300 pilots by gates in null due to TIDI they would just bridge them. |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
892
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:30:00 -
[1021] - Quote
Celia Therone wrote: -snipped for clarity-
It sucks that your time was wasted. At least you got to sort-of make a mark, and have a (not very complimentary) story to tell other people about Eve and CCP. How many ages would you have to play another MMORPG in order to get a story like this, even if you were they butt of the joke?
But that's the game, it's what you pay for or choose not to pay for. An awful lot of people have chosen not to pay for it, which maybe should be pause for thought for CCP.
While I agree with the above snip I would like to draw your attention to the IG complaints that have been raised time and again in this threadnaught:
CCP knew full well that TiDi would be in effect for those travelling to the waypoints and that they would have 23 jumps to go through and that the Null Blocs would either Titan Bridge in forces or that they were already in-situ. CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block CCP then declared the event over after an hour knowing full well that participants were still in TiDi and travelling or getting torn apart by the Null Bloc. CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide wilfully commanded scores of players to jump into Null. CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide either jumped ahead of the fleet using devhacks or dropped fleet leaving the participants in disarray (This requires verification but I have heard it from several sources)
IRL issues\complaints\concerns:
CCP did not deliver on what was advertised to a large audience. CCP did not estimate the numbers of attendees correctly. This was probable due to the headlines of "Unique" and "never to be repeated" CCP did not organise any sort of reliable communications or clearly communicate to the participants where, when, how they should be. CCP wilfully withheld key information that would've enabled participants to make other ways to get to the rendezvous points as we know that players are resourceful. It wasn't hard for Null Blocs to organise as they had 50mins notice. Withholding this information just served to add confusion to the unaware participants not yet exposed to fleets etc CCP used Twitter to communicate of staging system change. CCP has refused to acknowledge bar one comment from CCP Goliath that this thread exists CCP has refused to update it's customer of what is occuring of if this is being discussed or analysed CCP has refused to indicate if any update will be forthcoming CCP has allowed this to get to the point where people are unsubscribing from the game due to the perceived level of incompetence, collusion with Null Sec Cartels, contempt that CCP hold towards the Hi-Sec player and the tinfoil hattery that even I am starting to wonder "well what if". CCP are supposed to be a trusted entity in EVE Online. If you cannot trust those that develop the game and run it who can you trust. CCP are supposed to be an impartial and independent body of from the universe of New Eden and so removed from a conflict of interest.
CCP were not expected to:
Hand hold the participants Ensure participants were in suitable ships Ensure participants had blank clones Ensure participants had an up-to-date clone Tell people how to operate in a fleet
The above are my conclusions and mine alone and are my own opinions as well. Now if you compare the response time to paying customers legitimate concerns regarding this event to that of the Null Bloc with the Z9PP incident you can see why some of us are so very concerned. Z9PP was firstly apologised for within 30 minutes of the rage thread being posted and apologies continued a further 2 or more times and a full report published and thread closed within 2 hours. This also happened on a Thursday night and so did the "CTA Event".
Draw from that what you will but this is no more about me losing anything IG as I didn't. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
893
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:38:00 -
[1022] - Quote
Now forgive me for quoting myself but compare the above "CTA Event" to Z9PP and now to this:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Further to the above people spent their RL time (even taking time of work so they could participate) jumping through that 10% TiDi in the hope to add content, experience something unique and make it to the destination to participate not to have CCP end the event by blowing the objective before most of the fleets had arrived. It seems that CCP may very well just be spending all their time on the most recent scandal rather than addressing this one or they be in heavy debriefing sessions. No response on here or Twitter (OFC as this is the new official communications for EVE Online). Those that want to view the latest and what " Customer Support over the course of the weekend re-investigated" while we are still awaiting a further update response view this. It may amuse you while you wait another day or so Nice Job CCP. Now Can We All Get 17m Free Skillpoints Also? Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:39:00 -
[1023] - Quote
Celia Therone wrote:Why should CCP always role play competent commanders? Not only competent commanders but commanders that are far more competent than some of their real life contemporaries? Because they presumably want people to come back for the next event. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
895
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:51:00 -
[1024] - Quote
Bookmarking this spot for this:
CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote: Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
241
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:27:00 -
[1025] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote: CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block
This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.
CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.
Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so. Profit favors the prepared |

Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:39:00 -
[1026] - Quote
Evei Shard wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote: CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block
This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened. CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec. Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.
That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.
First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.
CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."
I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3610
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:22:00 -
[1027] - Quote
I don't think CCP does anything out of malice.
Except maybe when that Sansha fleet primaried my cyclone but I was being a stupid easy target and even they could see that. |

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
241
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:28:00 -
[1028] - Quote
Kyria Shirako wrote: This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.
CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.
Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.
That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.
First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.
CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."
I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.
First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather.
Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting.
The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way.
That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit.
Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss. Profit favors the prepared |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1486
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:37:00 -
[1029] - Quote
Evei Shard wrote:Kyria Shirako wrote: This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.
CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.
Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.
That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.
First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.
CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."
I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.
First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather. Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting. The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way. That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit. Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss.
Consider it as a test case.
CCP tracks all accounts associated with lost ships in this awox, and sees how many accounts actually drop. Based on that sample, which is pretty large, CCP can decide if they want to push forward with the rest of the changes they have crafted with the help of the null sec cartels.
If a large percentage of accounts are indeed dropped, then they may have to re-think their plans on wiping out high sec. If a small percentage of accounts are dropped, then they go full speed ahead with the plans to hand control of high sec to the cartels.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Kyria Shirako
The Scope Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:46:00 -
[1030] - Quote
Evei Shard wrote: First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather.
Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting.
The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way.
That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit.
Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss.
Okay, half mighta been an over statement. I actually don't know the hi-sec vs. low/null sec population ratios, but we know that the players affected were something like 2000+ out of the 30-40K active at any given time, plus anyone else getting caught in the drama blast. Well, well short of half, I'll grant that. But not insignificant. But as for the rest... I remain unconvinced.
Eve is very much about player autonomy, and allowing players to pull off ganks, attacks, hilarious organized reversals, and other kinds of high-end bullshit. And again - If players had gotten 1,000 people out of hi-sec to follow them into a gate camp? That would have been awesome and hilarious, and those players would have had the sort of respect society reserves for clever con-runners and trickster figures.
That the developers themselves, theoretically neutral entities, would directly participate is unprecedented, and I'll still need to see more proof that they tried this deliberately.
And if they aren't afraid of alienating high-security players, if they actively don't want a hi-sec, for whatever reason, why the hell not just remove CONCORD from the game in the next expansion? Let it be totally FFA and cuthroat? There's gotta be people who'd see an appeal in that, no?
Additionally, do you have a citation for that history of the EVE developers? I'm sure it'd be a fascinating read. |
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
241
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:52:00 -
[1031] - Quote
Kyria Shirako wrote: Additionally, do you have a citation for that history of the EVE developers? I'm sure it'd be a fascinating read.
I will admit that it is merely hearsay based on what I've read over the years on the forum, however if I find an accurate source I will provide the citation.
Profit favors the prepared |

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
299
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:01:00 -
[1032] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Consider it as a test case.
CCP tracks all accounts associated with lost ships in this awox, and sees how many accounts actually drop. Based on that sample, which is pretty large, CCP can decide if they want to push forward with the rest of the changes they have crafted with the help of the null sec cartels.
If a large percentage of accounts are indeed dropped, then they may have to re-think their plans on wiping out high sec. If a small percentage of accounts are dropped, then they go full speed ahead with the plans to hand control of high sec to the cartels.
I find this highly unlikely. Rather see it this way: events like this show highsec people are willing to go lowsec/nullsec under the proper motivation by the hundreds, even thousands. This motivation is suprisingly NOT isk as Live Events don't involve isk-generation usually. This is something missed alot in many of the Highsec VS Nullsec threats, that people woudln't go to nullsec because of lack of isk. Yes people lack the motivation to go to nullsec. However it looks like isk isn't the issue, or the fact you can get blown up (albeit it surely matters for some). The motivation here is that people are willing to die for a greater cause. Not die to appease the local warlords. It's something used in real armies. You don't recruit people by saying *you get to kill others!* No, you recruit them by giving them a greater cause *Fight to defend your country and to safeguard your family!*
If the Nullsec Blocks and/or CCP can find this motivation and find a way to integrate it into nullsec properly, you'd have more people joining nullsec powers. Aurora Arcology Project Newsfeed: Capsuleers Respond to Call to Arms, Navies fail to support! |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
23
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Posted - 2013.11.12 07:55:00 -
[1033] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote: The motivation here is that people are willing to die for a greater cause. Not die to appease the local warlords. It's something used in real armies. You don't recruit people by saying *you get to kill others!* No, you recruit them by giving them a greater cause *Fight to defend your country and to safeguard your family!*
If the Nullsec Blocks and/or CCP can find this motivation and find a way to integrate it into nullsec properly, you'd have more people joining nullsec powers.
You could argue that Hisec is just an area where you appease another warlord (the empire factions).
For me Hisec is the place where I'm left alone the most, to do what I want. And I go everywhere. Hi/Low/Null/WH. For different reasons. Joining a sov null sec corp would be like taking on another day time job, with all the politics and misery associated with it. If Hisec would transform into that, Id rather work in RL, and earn some real money. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
902
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Posted - 2013.11.12 08:00:00 -
[1034] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Bookmarking this spot for this: CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote: In reply just now: Maximus Aerelius via Twitter wrote:
And we have an update from Twitter (main official communications channel rather than posting this the threadnaught it seems).
CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CCP_Goliath 10m
@CEOMCMXD @CCPGames already said we are responding - said it on Friday
CCP Goliath GÇÅ@CCP_Goliath 9m
@CEOMCMXD @CCPGames actually, responding is the wrong choice, the team is releasing a devblog on the event. This would have happened anyway
Now don't get me wrong as any reply right now is welcomed but the tone taken, or as I read it and I'm probably too close to read it without being biased, isn't one I appreciate or could just be CCP downplaying this.
Well see how CCP responds in this Dev Blog.
Regarding the lost revenue from 2-3000 players:
Firstly compare these two image where High Security Space is located and now where the Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located.
Now bear in mind that most people have more than one account or several so that 2-3000 (if all were enraged) is now 4-6000 or if three accounts 9-12,000 accounts etc..
And now you may have an understanding of just how big this could possibly be. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

MadMcMax Ornulf
MadMcMax
2
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:29:00 -
[1035] - Quote
I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!
Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated by our raising of a legitimate grievance.
You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority, except that we did not.
We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?
Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages, does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very least, acknowledge our greivances?
As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published? |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
82
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:31:00 -
[1036] - Quote
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:You could argue that Hisec is just an area where you appease another warlord (the empire factions).
An argumant that wouldn't hold water. Empire factions aren't actors - they do not tell you how to play unless you ask them to, and do not decide on your time. They are passive presences that sometimes take some of your money and mostly give you some. That, incidentally, is also why it's ridicolous to claim we should blame the empire factions and not CCP. (unless you have voluntary selective schizophrenia, that is)
Maximus:
--> https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras/status/159660258753658882/photo/1 A picture of the distribution of characters >5m SP, for the record. It's quite old, but I don't think the percentages changed much.
And here: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility A status trend. Population follows the usual sinusoidal curve around an average of about 31k players. Just to provide some info.
But the point is not much how many players you **** off, as someone mentioned before it's more the "chance to recommend". What can I tell my friends? Come play eve and do only that, or don't bother? I already have a job. And THEY pay ME... not the other way around.
Also, a game like eve, where the economy is 100% player driven, depends highly on a certain "critical mass" of players - much more than any other game, where you need others mostly for "raids", in EVE if you don't have people to man the guns in all timezones you're vulnerable - that's why the nullsec blocs are very rarely single corps: alliances or even coalitions. If you don't have people who make things and refuel the POSes and are ready to jump in fleet at the sign of the enemy... you don't hold sov for long. And it's not just that - all economy is linked. You need PVE to get salvage materials used for rig productions. One missioner can kill a 100+ ships in a night and bring back several hundreds of salvage materials - no way you can do that with pvp on a regular basis; loyalty points for faction ammo and faction ships... all parts of eve are tightly interlinked. Which is what makes EVE so much better than most games. But also more fragile.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
902
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:37:00 -
[1037] - Quote
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!
Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated by our raising of a legitimate grievance.
You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority, except that we did not.
We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?
Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages, does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very least, acknowledge our greivances?
As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published?
So it's not just me that read that. I think CCP Goliath needed to "confirm" the company line in that this wasn't being "responded to" but was a BAU (Business As Usual) Dev Blog.
I sincerely hope it's not but I have asked for an ETA. You can feel free to follow me on Twitter, it's all public, if you want any updates or posts that I send. Unfollow once this is over if you wish, not in it for the Followers just to keep in touch with CCP etc. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:47:00 -
[1038] - Quote
So I think I got this. Ccp did an event in turn it lead to null sec . 20 odd jumps were made in time di Every one ended up dead befor they could get there so event ended so Why o why are you all so up set. Because you did not get to do the event. And that was cos no one made it.
Or was it the fact u had to do jumps in slow motion What ever it was I think a bit of perspective is needed here You don't like doing a load of jumps my god then why do you play eve ? |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
307
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:51:00 -
[1039] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Kyria Shirako wrote: This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.
CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.
Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.
That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.
First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.
CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."
I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.
First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather. Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting. The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way. That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit. Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss. Consider it as a test case. CCP tracks all accounts associated with lost ships in this awox, and sees how many accounts actually drop. Based on that sample, which is pretty large, CCP can decide if they want to push forward with the rest of the changes they have crafted with the help of the null sec cartels. If a large percentage of accounts are indeed dropped, then they may have to re-think their plans on wiping out high sec. If a small percentage of accounts are dropped, then they go full speed ahead with the plans to hand control of high sec to the cartels. Well that would be stupid beyond all imagination. This is not never was and never will be about people ragequitting because they lost a ship. It is about whether customers decide that they will not tolerate either being played for fools or putting up with incompetennce or just being plain pissed off with the game generally and that was the last straw.
It will be a slow burn, no GTC bought this month or only 1 toon rather than 3 Accounts just do not get used for a month or 2 or perhaps ever again who knows?
No way you can directly correlate cause and effect until there is only the goon-swarm left playing with themselves.and no cash coming in ,no parties , and CCP advertising in institution and prison monthly desperate to find some players who will pay for "hard core" pvp
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
308
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:00:00 -
[1040] - Quote
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!
Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated by our raising of a legitimate grievance.
You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority, except that we did not.
We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?
Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages, does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very least, acknowledge our greivances?
As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published?
Unfortuneately twitter is so set up for short conversation snapshots, it is easy to come across as rude and insensitive when that is not the case. Also consider it is very likely that the developers involved in this have had the holy crap ripped out of them by management and are not in the best of moods.
At least that would show someone cares. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |
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El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
10
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:07:00 -
[1041] - Quote
Dullsec, even the Dullbears responses are aweful, how old is "moar tearz plz" now? do people still think its cool to ask if "umad", its funny that Dullbears say highsec are risk averse but when you look at the map most killing is done in highsec, with dullsec being a barren wasteland with the occasional fleet fight. I personally have been in 2 SOV alliances and I never intend to go back into one.
Rubicon will make things even worse, oh how the dullsec blobs will love to sit on the gate all day with their depots out and scouts in both directions, yeah sure will help that small gang pvp like CCP said it would lmfao, will be more like welcome to blobcamp online. |

MadMcMax Ornulf
MadMcMax
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:15:00 -
[1042] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!
Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated by our raising of a legitimate grievance.
You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority, except that we did not.
We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?
Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages, does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very least, acknowledge our greivances?
As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published? Unfortuneately twitter is so set up for short conversation snapshots, it is easy to come across as rude and insensitive when that is not the case. Also consider it is very likely that the developers involved in this have had the holy crap ripped out of them by management and are not in the best of moods. At least that would show someone cares.
I accept that and I am not looking to assign blame, or ask for a dev's head. I just want to know what the purpose of the live event was and then I will probably accept it. Unfortunately this stance of CCP is demonstrating a worrying disregard for a large portion of their paying customer base. Hence the original request(s) for a post in this forum, in this thread to address these concerns, not another Twitter post which was one of the original issues. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
906
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:17:00 -
[1043] - Quote
Kay Charante wrote:So I think I got this. Ccp did an event in turn it lead to null sec . 20 odd jumps were made in time di Every one ended up dead befor they could get there so event ended so Why o why are you all so up set. Because you did not get to do the event. And that was cos no one made it.
Or was it the fact u had to do jumps in slow motion What ever it was I think a bit of perspective is needed here You don't like doing a load of jumps my god then why do you play eve ?
Because you couldn't even be arsed reading 1 page back and are clearly trolling I'll re-post this as it'll keep it in mind for the next person to join a reasoned and genuine discussion on the events of 07-11:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Celia Therone wrote: -snipped for clarity-
It sucks that your time was wasted. At least you got to sort-of make a mark, and have a (not very complimentary) story to tell other people about Eve and CCP. How many ages would you have to play another MMORPG in order to get a story like this, even if you were they butt of the joke?
But that's the game, it's what you pay for or choose not to pay for. An awful lot of people have chosen not to pay for it, which maybe should be pause for thought for CCP. While I agree with the above snip I would like to draw your attention to the IG complaints that have been raised time and again in this threadnaught: CCP knew full well that TiDi would be in effect for those travelling to the waypoints and that they would have 23 jumps to go through and that the Null Blocs would either Titan Bridge in forces or that they were already in-situ. CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block CCP then declared the event over after an hour knowing full well that participants were still in TiDi and travelling or getting torn apart by the Null Bloc. CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide wilfully commanded scores of players to jump into Null. CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide either jumped ahead of the fleet using devhacks or dropped fleet leaving the participants in disarray (This requires verification but I have heard it from several sources) IRL issues\complaints\concerns:CCP did not deliver on what was advertised to a large audience. CCP did not estimate the numbers of attendees correctly. This was probable due to the headlines of "Unique" and "never to be repeated" CCP did not organise any sort of reliable communications or clearly communicate to the participants where, when, how they should be. CCP wilfully withheld key information that would've enabled participants to make other ways to get to the rendezvous points as we know that players are resourceful. It wasn't hard for Null Blocs to organise as they had 50mins notice. Withholding this information just served to add confusion to the unaware participants not yet exposed to fleets etc CCP used Twitter to communicate of staging system change. CCP has refused to acknowledge bar one comment from CCP Goliath that this thread exists CCP has refused to update it's customer of what is occurring or if this is being discussed or analysed CCP has refused to indicate if any update will be forthcoming CCP has allowed this to get to the point where people are unsubscribing\not renewing\cancelling from the game due to the perceived level of incompetence, collusion with Null Sec Cartels, contempt that CCP hold towards the Hi-Sec player and the tinfoil hattery that even I am starting to wonder "well what if". CCP are supposed to be a trusted entity in EVE Online. If you cannot trust those that develop the game and run it who can you trust. CCP are supposed to be an impartial and independent body removed from the universe of New Eden and so removed from a conflict of interest. CCP were not expected to:Hand hold the participants Ensure participants were in suitable ships Ensure participants had blank clones Ensure participants had an up-to-date clone Tell people how to operate in a fleet The above are my conclusions and mine alone and are my own opinions as well. Now if you compare the response time to paying customers legitimate concerns regarding this event to that of the Null Bloc with the Z9PP incident you can see why some of us are so very concerned. Z9PP was firstly apologised for within 30 minutes of the rage thread being posted and apologies continued a further 2 or more times and a full report published and thread closed within 2 hours. This also happened on a Thursday night and so did the "CTA Event". Draw from that what you will but this is not about me losing anything IG as I didn't.
Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
308
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:18:00 -
[1044] - Quote
El Jin'meiko wrote:Dullsec, even the Dullbears responses are aweful, how old is "moar tearz plz" now? do people still think its cool to ask if "umad", its funny that Dullbears say highsec are risk averse but when you look at the map most killing is done in highsec, with dullsec being a barren wasteland with the occasional fleet fight. I personally have been in 2 SOV alliances and I never intend to go back into one.
Rubicon will make thigs even worse, oh how the dullsec blobs will love to sit on the gate all day with their depots out and scouts in both directions, yeah sure will help that small gang pvp like CCP said it would lmfao Actually they may be right on this one, a fleet of 10 stratios and 20 astero can travel like a wolf pack, unseen to a gatecamp. Naturally not jumping In through the front door, it would take a special stupidity to do something so ridiculous, no one could ever be THAT stupid.
100 hobgoblin II and 40 guarde II plus lasers for the light show will be a lot more PVP than the l33t skillz gatecampers asked for. They never wanted More PvP CCP they wanted victims! instead You gave us Little old ladies with Uzis. Tearz!!? The nasty carebear isn't playing FAIR!
Pretty much like Thursday in reverse. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:36:00 -
[1045] - Quote
Why would I want to read one more page back. When I have all ready looked at 40 pages of crying Thanks for reposting all that tho |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
310
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:57:00 -
[1046] - Quote
Kay Charante wrote:Why would I want to read one more page back. When I have all ready looked at 40 pages of crying Thanks for reposting all that tho
There are trolls who do it so much better than you though, Although practice is helpful, it may be better to read and learn from some of the more experienced ones.
Remember it is far better to be thought a fool than open one's mouth and prove it. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

MadMcMax Ornulf
MadMcMax
5
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:12:00 -
[1047] - Quote
If anything, the New Player Training : Teamwork later today should be interesting in light of recent events? Perhaps the Live event should have taken place after this? Just a thought CCP, or maybe you can run it again? |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
908
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:19:00 -
[1048] - Quote
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:If anything, the New Player Training : Teamwork later today should be interesting in light of recent events? Perhaps the Live event should have taken place after this? Just a thought CCP, or maybe you can run it again?
What did they run before? /sarcasm Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
908
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:21:00 -
[1049] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Kay Charante wrote:Why would I want to read one more page back. When I have all ready looked at 40 pages of crying Thanks for reposting all that tho There are trolls who do it so much better than you though, Although practice is helpful, it may be better to read and learn from some of the more experienced ones. Remember it is far better to be thought a fool than open one's mouth and prove it.
Oh how epic did you just own a troll? Bravo, but please don't feed them as it distracts from the topic which is a serious one. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:28:00 -
[1050] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Kay Charante wrote:Why would I want to read one more page back. When I have all ready looked at 40 pages of crying Thanks for reposting all that tho There are trolls who do it so much better than you though, Although practice is helpful, it may be better to read and learn from some of the more experienced ones. Remember it is far better to be thought a fool than open one's mouth and prove it.
Umm I am no troll just saying what I see and if the truth of that is trolling then I Am in the wrong job
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
313
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:43:00 -
[1051] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Kay Charante wrote:Why would I want to read one more page back. When I have all ready looked at 40 pages of crying Thanks for reposting all that tho There are trolls who do it so much better than you though, Although practice is helpful, it may be better to read and learn from some of the more experienced ones. Remember it is far better to be thought a fool than open one's mouth and prove it. Oh how epic did you just own a troll? Bravo, but please don't feed them as it distracts from the topic which is a serious one.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I promise to behave. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1491
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:23:00 -
[1052] - Quote
Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
910
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:40:00 -
[1053] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled.
Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following:
Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs
High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located.
And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted:
Inferno: Capsuleer Populations
Now I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE.
Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
315
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:50:00 -
[1054] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following: Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located. And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted: Inferno: Capsuleer PopulationsNow I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE. Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc. Yes the beauty of hisec is that if you have a spare hour or even half hour you can get some things done, If you have more time, you can follow a wormhole wherever it goes and have some fun, or do some exploring in null or get in a group and taunt people in losec. All valid playstyles, but without hisec and it's ability to drop in and out, you might play for a couple of weeks when you have time on weekends and holidays, but because you lose the routine of signing in each day you soon forget. Signing in to update the skill queue is not play and really doesn't count. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Kay Charante
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:54:00 -
[1055] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following: Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located. And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted: Inferno: Capsuleer PopulationsNow I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE. Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc.
Ok where in the world did this ccp getting rid of hi sec come from. That would never happen. And I am not trolling But that's just crazy talk.
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Zero Bastanold
Bastanolds
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:05:00 -
[1056] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled.
I don't think ccp would get rid of hi sec they would lose a lot of paying subscribers. They might have cocked up this live event but I don't think there that dumb. Hi sec is as much as importants to the game as low and null. Plus the fact there bringing out custom offices for hi sec players to put up in hi sec. I think your trying to make more problems then there all rdy is by saying that |

Halaxi
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
31
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:08:00 -
[1057] - Quote
They wont be getting rid of Hi-Sec, stop being pants-on-head ********, people.
Changing the interaction and control over capsuleers by the Empires, on the other hand...
Hal. Why yes, yes I am going to shoot you. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1497
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:10:00 -
[1058] - Quote
Kay Charante wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following: Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located. And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted: Inferno: Capsuleer PopulationsNow I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE. Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc. Ok where in the world did this ccp getting rid of hi sec come from. That would never happen. And I am not trolling But that's just crazy talk.
Guess you have not been keeping up on game changes, and the new CCP marketing. I should have made it more clear. Not "dismantling high sec", but "dismantling high sec as we know it today". Yes, CCP will keep something that they will call "high sec", but it will be nothing like what we have today.
The handing off of high sec PoCo taxes to the null sec cartel's is just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming. And let's not forget how much wealth was directly transferred from high sec to null sec with the ice mining changes, (20% of the ice product demand had to come from null sec with the last set of changes, or the slowly crashing prices of low end minerals as null sec got a huge gift with massive buffs.
Read the posts on the main general discussion thread, where 2 of the CSM's null sec cartel reps are openly gloating about how much high sec is getting hammered in their "vision" of Eve.
Will high sec as we know it be wiped out by the next release? Of course not. It takes time to overhaul something as entrenched as what we have today. But it is coming. The null sec cartels have never been a powerful and influential ingame and out of game, as they are today, and they are demanding that CCP give them more control of the game's economy, and CCP, every day, gives them a little more.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
322
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:10:00 -
[1059] - Quote
Zero Bastanold wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. I don't think ccp would get rid of hi sec they would lose a lot of paying subscribers. They might have cocked up this live event but I don't think there that dumb. Hi sec is as much as importants to the game as low and null. I truly hope that this will not be the case.
Politicians too make decisions that are hopelessly misguided and destructive though.
The reason is usually lobbyists.
Whether in RL from big Business or in game from NULLsec power blocks.
The effect is the same, where they convince those in power, that their issues are the important ones.
It is quite possible that CCP are shocked by the reaction to Thursdays events, they were convinced by the lobbies that things would be welcomed once players were shown the way and good for EvE.
That worked well.
It might be wise to take the lobbyists advice with a pinch of salt, because if CCP were awoxed and not just Thursdays attendees then the lobbyists went too far and also hurt their group as well as all eve.
It is natural for any organised group to attempt to influence others.
It is a requirement of any successful body to defend against it becoming unbalanced.
So It is normal to be influenced by lobbyists, the question is did it become unbalanced and harmful to CCP and the wider game community. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Zero Bastanold
Bastanolds
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:14:00 -
[1060] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Zero Bastanold wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. I don't think ccp would get rid of hi sec they would lose a lot of paying subscribers. They might have cocked up this live event but I don't think there that dumb. Hi sec is as much as importants to the game as low and null. I truly hope that this will not be the case. Politicians too make decisions that are hopelessly misguided and destructive though. The reason is usually lobbyists. Whether in RL from big business or in game from NS Cartels. The effect is the same, where they convince those in power, that their issues are the important ones.
I really don't think it will be the case. Hope it won't be. If any think if they wanted more null and low space they would just add extra systems in. Think how many players are in hi sec It would be eves down fall if that was to happen |
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Enaya Radur
Beyond Remorse. MORE.DPS
8
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:26:00 -
[1061] - Quote
Not saying anything after now 2 working days is quite an insult to concerned player base.
At first I was curious, now I'm starting to get pissed. Why?
Not because of event, or participants of any origin, but about CCPs silence.
2 working days is more that anough to analyze something and write a blog/stament/post.
I'm starting to get pissed because I want to believe players count for something and that 50 pages of anger will not be met with ignorance and silence.
That is rude and wrong.
I hope to see the official account of events or something soon.
I hope to see players matter. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
322
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:31:00 -
[1062] - Quote
Zero Bastanold wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Zero Bastanold wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. I don't think ccp would get rid of hi sec they would lose a lot of paying subscribers. They might have cocked up this live event but I don't think there that dumb. Hi sec is as much as importants to the game as low and null. I truly hope that this will not be the case. Politicians too make decisions that are hopelessly misguided and destructive though. The reason is usually lobbyists. Whether in RL from big business or in game from NS Cartels. The effect is the same, where they convince those in power, that their issues are the important ones. I really don't think it will be the case. Hope it won't be. If any think if they wanted more null and low space they would just add extra systems in. Think how many players are in hi sec It would be eves down fall if that was to happen
Knowing human nature, large groups do not want a bigger pie, they want a bigger share of it.
Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Zero Bastanold
Bastanolds
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:33:00 -
[1063] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Kay Charante wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following: Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located. And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted: Inferno: Capsuleer PopulationsNow I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE. Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc. Ok where in the world did this ccp getting rid of hi sec come from. That would never happen. And I am not trolling But that's just crazy talk. Guess you have not been keeping up on game changes, and the new CCP marketing. I should have made it more clear. Not "dismantling high sec", but "dismantling high sec as we know it today". Yes, CCP will keep something that they will call "high sec", but it will be nothing like what we have today. The handing off of high sec PoCo taxes to the null sec cartel's is just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming. And let's not forget how much wealth was directly transferred from high sec to null sec with the ice mining changes, (20% of the ice product demand had to come from null sec with the last set of changes, or the slowly crashing prices of low end minerals as null sec got a huge gift with massive buffs. Read the posts on the main general discussion thread, where 2 of the CSM's null sec cartel reps are openly gloating about how much high sec is getting hammered in their "vision" of Eve. Will high sec as we know it be wiped out by the next release? Of course not. It takes time to overhaul something as entrenched as what we have today. But it is coming. The null sec cartels have never been a powerful and influential ingame and out of game, as they are today, and they are demanding that CCP give them more control of the game's economy, and CCP, every day, gives them a little more.
I miss understood what you was saying befor but you say handing of poco's to null players I don't think it will be as bad as what u think most major null sec alliances are at constant war with hi sec mercs I don't think they will take over as much as you might think and if that is the case just need to make a hi sec alliance with every corp in hi sec and kick the null sec players out
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
322
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:42:00 -
[1064] - Quote
Zero Bastanold wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Kay Charante wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following: Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located. And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted: Inferno: Capsuleer PopulationsNow I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE. Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc. Ok where in the world did this ccp getting rid of hi sec come from. That would never happen. And I am not trolling But that's just crazy talk. Guess you have not been keeping up on game changes, and the new CCP marketing. I should have made it more clear. Not "dismantling high sec", but "dismantling high sec as we know it today". Yes, CCP will keep something that they will call "high sec", but it will be nothing like what we have today. The handing off of high sec PoCo taxes to the null sec cartel's is just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming. And let's not forget how much wealth was directly transferred from high sec to null sec with the ice mining changes, (20% of the ice product demand had to come from null sec with the last set of changes, or the slowly crashing prices of low end minerals as null sec got a huge gift with massive buffs. Read the posts on the main general discussion thread, where 2 of the CSM's null sec cartel reps are openly gloating about how much high sec is getting hammered in their "vision" of Eve. Will high sec as we know it be wiped out by the next release? Of course not. It takes time to overhaul something as entrenched as what we have today. But it is coming. The null sec cartels have never been a powerful and influential ingame and out of game, as they are today, and they are demanding that CCP give them more control of the game's economy, and CCP, every day, gives them a little more. I miss understood what you was saying befor but you say handing of poco's to null players I don't think it will be as bad as what u think most major null sec alliances are at constant war with hi sec mercs I don't think they will take over as much as you might think and if that is the case just need to make a hi sec alliance with every corp in hi sec and kick the null sec players out
Unfortunately that is then nullsec with a different name. No different to goons v test.
That is what we are afraid they are lobbying for. And what we mean when we say they want to turn hisec into nullsec just with a slightly different mechanic.
I do not believe that CCP are being malicious, and trying to hurt hisec people, I believe that they are taking very bad advice. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Zero Bastanold
Bastanolds
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:53:00 -
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Yes I agree it sounds like there taking bad advice. But unfortunately we will have to wait and see how this turns out Because I don't think there's any thing that will stop these changes happening. It will be very interesting to see how all this turns out |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:03:00 -
[1066] - Quote
Zero Bastanold wrote:Yes I agree it sounds like there taking bad advice. But unfortunately we will have to wait and see how this turns out Because I don't think there's any thing that will stop these changes happening. It will be very interesting to see how all this turns out
No business likes to self destruct,if it realises that it has made a mistake, it probably will not admit it, but It will try not to carry on making it.
Any changes made initially by rubicon can be balanced out quite effectively if needed and discussions are hopefully taking place around final balance anyway.
Nothing announced to date is a major issue, and even the unannounced ones they will have some influence on even at this late date.
Believe me IF and it is a big if they feel they were badly advised, they will currently be very very angry.....
If I had been advised that hisec would accept these changes meekly and discovered the explosive fury unleashed, then I would personally Shut down all the gates in null, disable cyno, kick every ship out of station, and unleash an NPC genocide on them burn the stations and salt the land.
But hey I'm a calm person
I couldn't imagine what an angry CCP Would do. Remember their warrior past, these people are not pussies. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
918
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:06:00 -
[1067] - Quote
I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:
Maximus Aerelius via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD 7h
@CCP_Goliath /Cloak. I appreciate the update & "communication is the key ingredient in any relationship" @erlendur . Any ETA? #tweetfleet
CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CCP_Goliath 2h
@CEOMCMXD @erlendur It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess.
Maximus Aerelius via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD 1h
Marvellous, thank you for this update @CCP_Goliath, it is appreciated. #tweetfleet #eveonline
I've included my initial response and CCP Goliath's reply for complete transparency. I do appreciate the update as we have been waiting for updates for 4 days now and I thought it was key to communicate that it was appreciated.
EDIT:
For those wanting to discuss Rubicon or upcoming changes please create your own thread and not take this down an off-topic route as I fear that this may give enough cause for a lock to applied to this thread along with rumour mongering as CCP likes to call it. Thank you for understanding. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:08:00 -
[1068] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter: Maximus Aerelius via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD 7h
@CCP_Goliath /Cloak. I appreciate the update & "communication is the key ingredient in any relationship" @erlendur . Any ETA? #tweetfleet CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CCP_Goliath 2h
@CEOMCMXD @erlendur It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess. Maximus Aerelius via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CEOMCMXD 1h
Marvellous, thank you for this update @CCP_Goliath, it is appreciated. #tweetfleet #eveonline I've included my initial response and CCP Goliath's reply for complete transparency. I do appreciate the update as we have been waiting for updates for 4 days now and I thought it was key to communicate that it was appreciated.
I am really sorry, I try to understand the details on a a twitter stream but not too clear to me, Is CCP goliath promising a response today? Is it only going to be on TWITTER? Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
918
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:09:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:
-snipped for clarity- I am really sorry, I try to understand the details on a a twitter stream but not too clear to me, Is CCP goliath promising a response today?
Basically this from CCP Goliath: "It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess." Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:27:00 -
[1070] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:
-snipped for clarity- I am really sorry, I try to understand the details on a a twitter stream but not too clear to me, Is CCP goliath promising a response today? Basically this from CCP Goliath: "It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess." Thank you. No point pre judging it in any way, or discussing what it might say. Excellent news. The silence was the biggest issue of all and now that is being solved well done.
Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |
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Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
46
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:34:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:[quote=Zero Bastanold][quote=Dinsdale Pirannha]Folks, two things of note.
It is natural for any organised group to attempt to influence others.
It is a requirement of any successful body to defend against it becoming unbalanced.
So It is normal to be influenced by lobbyists, the question is did it become unbalanced and harmful to CCP and the wider game community.
That's the core problem. While Hi sec dwellers are still the majority of EVE, they are almost not organized at all. Even 150 man corporations are small, when compared to thousands of players in null alliances.
That's one of the reasons hi sec players rarely get represented well on the CSM. And while I agree that manufacturing or running missions in high sec is much less fun to play than PVPing in low and null, some people can't be there for every CTA or have to go AFK in the middle of a roam. Players have families and other RL duties that prevent them from being able to focus entirely on the game (and that undivided attention is required for PVP; don't tell me your FC allows you to "be right back" during a roam, or that you can go AFK in the middle of an engagement at any time; we all know the outcome if you did).
If high sec players want to stand up for their playstyle and defend it, they need to get organized. That means getting into big alliances, fighting back in game, but it also means getting their own representatives on the CSM and influence CCP. There is no other way to protect the "free trade" and "more less safe environment for manufacturing".
Now speaking of the last Live Event, if high sec players contacted each other BEFORE the event, they would likely bring a single doctrine fleet instead of a kitchen sink. During first dev-run incursions a body known as FCORD has been formed to let people organize better against live incursions. FCORD still exists, but almost no one remembers about it. Blogging about EVE on http://pozniak.pl/ |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3619
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:39:00 -
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Cpt Tenguru37 wrote:If you want a CCP reply mass open petitions.
As for you nullbears you guys are the most risk averse players there are. If numbers aren't in your favor what do you do? You dock up and blueball. Not to mention that most the time you are running anomalies that are PVE. When someone comes in your system what do you do? Thats right you run to a POS or Station. So who is the bigger carebear, null is safer than high sec and yes I live in both. Like I said before the problem was in highsec organisation not with dying.... But I still had fun just had to ignore the CCP FC and use common sense. There is noway a null alliance would move 1300 pilots by gates in null due to TIDI they would just bridge them.
Much of that is true but as I have observed in goon space, you can hunt bears all day, but eventually people will show up who do fight and fight well.
My take on this is that nullsec sells the same things that they blame highsec for: being able to bear it up and rake in the ISK. They use the same things to get more numbers. If all of nullsec all of the time was fighting and blobs they would not have the numbers. And nullsec is so vast that if you get in via wormholes, past the intel channels and gank pipelines, you can be out there for weeks (in one trip for me: months) without seeing anybody else.
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Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
28
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:40:00 -
[1073] - Quote
Lukas Rox wrote:If high sec players want to stand up for their playstyle and defend it, they need to get organized. That means getting into big alliances, fighting back in game, but it also means getting their own representatives on the CSM and influence CCP. There is no other way to protect the "free trade" and "more less safe environment for manufacturing".
And if the play style some of us want to defend has at its core: not organizing and not join alliances? |

Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
46
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:55:00 -
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Tyler Nietzsche wrote:Lukas Rox wrote:If high sec players want to stand up for their playstyle and defend it, they need to get organized. That means getting into big alliances, fighting back in game, but it also means getting their own representatives on the CSM and influence CCP. There is no other way to protect the "free trade" and "more less safe environment for manufacturing".
And if the play style some of us want to defend has at its core: not organizing and not join alliances?
I know what you mean, been playing in a "me and my alts" corp for a year or so. But don't you think it's weird that even though majority (60-67%) is the high sec players, it's the null blocs that get 4-5 CSM reps and hi sec only gets 0 or 1? What do you think is is the reason causing it? Why did RAZR bring a consistent sniper fleet and high sec dwellers were fyling everything, from Atrons through Drakes to Hyperions?
Im afraid the future of EVE will be "eat or be eaten", and it's coming faster than we think. Blogging about EVE on http://pozniak.pl/ |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
918
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:57:00 -
[1075] - Quote
Lukas Rox wrote:If high sec players want to stand up for their playstyle and defend it, they need to get organized. That means getting into big alliances, fighting back in game, but it also means getting their own representatives on the CSM and influence CCP. There is no other way to protect the "free trade" and "more less safe environment for manufacturing".
RE: CSM Representation for Hi-Sec dwellers
The trouble with this is due in part to the fact of why those people are in Hi-Sec i the first place: Restriction of time whether it be work, family, voluntary or other it's easier to jump into EVE and out quickly if you are in Hi Sec doing PvE or whatever than if you are in an alliance\coalition that demands a certain activity level. If you miss so many CTA's I'm sure they'd kick you without letting you have your stuff back if in a standings based station\POS.
I know one person who couldn't afford her subscription for a month or so and when she did get back in she was broke and no assets as she had the above happen to her.
From what I understand of the CSM they spend most of their time meta gaming or sorting CSM stuff than actually playing during their term (I wonder if they get their account paid for) and that just sounds like a job to me. I have one of those that I get paid to do and I honestly don't grasp all the mechanics of this game and that's after 9.9 years!. I know what I know and I know how to do what I want efficiently enough or I learn in the process. One of the reasons I stepped down as the leader of a decent sized alliance sometime ago in another MMO was that it was just too time intensive and stressful. I spent more time sorting out the organisation and internal things that I did playing the game...not fun for me.
Now to deal with the alliance\coalition question. Some people are afraid of the scams that some of the corporations pull when they get in like inviting someone to join, letting them relocate the assets and or paying a fee and then kicking them out without so much as a reach-around. Or that they'd kill off their rookie members and the word would spread. Or, now this was just plain stupidity but, a guy that joined a corporation in a big alliance and then proceeded to hand over all his stuff to a "JF Pilot" who promised to courier it all to their Null Sec home...only he stole it all, every last bit.
These stories put a lot of people off of joining big corps in big alliances. I know that I would love to fly with RnK or Guillotine Therapy as I admire their approach, tactics (False Tower was fantastic), video editing techniques, camaraderie and Liam's narrative style is the most immersive I've yet heard however never get much time online I feel that I would be considered a "scrub nullsec wannabe" by not playing all the hours required or attending X amount of CTA's or on this op and to be fair I'd feel I let my team down if I couldn't give them my 100%.
EDIT:
(I wonder if they get their account paid for) < This comment was not meant in a accusatory manner but more in the tone of if they do spend that much time in discussions etc and not actually gaming then why not? sorry but I felt it necessary to clarify that point as I re-read what I'd posted. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
165
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:03:00 -
[1076] - Quote
Lukas, you may be right in that CCP may tweak the game to fit only the lifestyle of nullseccers with some concessions to lowsec and wormhole people. Quite possible. If that happens, then the game will go the same path that all the previous games that did the same thing went. Those games are either gone or struggling to stay alive. EVE would not be the first MMO I played that went that way and certainly I don't think it would be last. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:09:00 -
[1077] - Quote
Anna Karhunen wrote:Lukas, you may be right in that CCP may tweak the game to fit only the lifestyle of nullseccers with some concessions to lowsec and wormhole people. Quite possible. If that happens, then the game will go the same path that all the previous games that did the same thing went. Those games are either gone or struggling to stay alive. EVE would not be the first MMO I played that went that way and certainly I don't think it would be last. I imagine that no matter the opinion, that they held before this event, it would be VERY hard to imagine it would not in some way be balanced out by the events since.
They have heard a voice that is normally silent, felt a FURY that burns cold, not the rage that can be quenched,
The only way to still those voices or put out a cold fire is to remove the fuel.
I look forward to their response, and how they see THEIR future. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
14
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:11:00 -
[1078] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:These stories put a lot of people off of joining big corps in big alliances. I know that I would love to fly with RnK or Guillotine Therapy as I admire their approach, tactics (False Tower was fantastic), video editing techniques, camaraderie and Liam's narrative style is the most immersive I've yet heard however never get much time online I feel that I would be considered a "scrub nullsec wannabe" by not playing all the hours required or attending X amount of CTA's or on this op and to be fair I'd feel I let my team down if I couldn't give them my 100%. .
Rooks and kings are easily one of the best 'Allsec' PvP alliances ingame although they arent a SOV holder, and iirc they have no interest in holding SOV either. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3619
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:12:00 -
[1079] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, two things of note.
Supposedly, if CCP Goliath's tweets are to be believed, CCP is releasing a dev blog about the Live Event. When, no one knows, given how exhausted they are from high fiving each other and the null sec cartel leadership at last week's party where they live streamed the carnage.
Secondly, on Thursday, numerous CCP employees will be on twitch TV to gloat over all the changes they are making to the game with Rubicon. But the big one will be the direction of the game that will be presented by seagull. Expect to hear a lot about high sec being dismantled. Well with that in mind (and still unverified AFAIK) have a glance at the following: Screenshots from this morning. Bearing in mind this was early on a working day for EU TZ and I suspect while US TZ were asleep and Moscow\Russia was 11:00 with Australia in Prime Time at 1800hrs High Security Space Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located. And these stats provided by a post that Killerjock posted: Inferno: Capsuleer PopulationsNow I wonder how many will keep subscribing if they lose the ability to dip in and out of EVE due to IRL time constraints, family\work commitments and how that will affect not only the interaction but the players AKA customers who help out the rookies, stream, post blogs, assist in Rookie Help and nay other number of things in EVE. Interesting if this is the plan to do away with High Security space but we will see. I think it's evident that more of the customer base that subscribe\PLEX to EVE Online remain in High-Sec not for the fear or the security but for the convenience and lack of time to commit to alliances, wars, etc.
Yeah the RL obligations are always the big ship killer. No matter which way you cut it. We could not expect people in the game development world to see this because they live in a kind of bubble. This is not a snipe at game developers. It happens in a lot of careers and fields of expertise. Journalists for example fall out of touch when they only hang with other journalists.
If the goal is to eliminate highsec, I don't think this would be the big disaster that we would initially expect. They are not simply going to send Concord out for donuts and let the aspergians romp in a gleeful blood dance.
It would actually be a good thing to find a way to end this regional disparity in such manner that things improve for everybody, whereas only those entrenched in certain ways are bothered. The ISK-aholics if highsec won't be happy, and the bears of nullsec (there for the ISK as well) won't like all the non-blues traipsing around.
Overall a lot of paradigms would need to fall.
I just hope that there's still a noob starter zone or some protected nest for noobs. If it becomes a situation where people sit around all day just to kill noobs (bullies who fear getting hurt tend to retreat to MMOs where noob harvesting is common) that will kill the game. I've seen a lot of people, introduced to a game, find out that the moment the leave the dock/castle/noobzone/island there's scores of people sitting there all day ready to kill them, they don't even bother. Even if they like the game, who wants to put up with "people like that"? |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1831

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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:22:00 -
[1080] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:
-snipped for clarity- I am really sorry, I try to understand the details on a a twitter stream but not too clear to me, Is CCP goliath promising a response today? Basically this from CCP Goliath: "It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess." Thank you. No point pre judging it in any way, or discussing what it might say. Excellent news. The silence was the biggest issue of all and now that is being solved well done.
Yeah sorry for the delay - we wrote it on Monday, put it in for approval today, so will be tweaking it tonight once we get notes on it and then fingers crossed release tomorrow. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Halaxi
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
32
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:23:00 -
[1081] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
They have heard a voice that is normally silent, felt a FURY that burns cold, not the rage that can be quenched,
The only way to still those voices or put out a cold fire is to remove the fuel.
I look forward to their response, and how they see THEIR future.
Okay sir, put your hands up and step away from the italic and bold buttons...
Hal.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:24:00 -
[1082] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:
-snipped for clarity- I am really sorry, I try to understand the details on a a twitter stream but not too clear to me, Is CCP goliath promising a response today? Basically this from CCP Goliath: "It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess." Thank you. No point pre judging it in any way, or discussing what it might say. Excellent news. The silence was the biggest issue of all and now that is being solved well done. Yeah sorry for the delay - we wrote it on Monday, put it in for approval today, so will be tweaking it tonight once we get notes on it and then fingers crossed release tomorrow. Thanks CCP Goliath, look forward to it, Thank you especially for letting us know. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:43:00 -
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A personal attack post has been removed.
Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:48:00 -
[1084] - Quote
Sexual comment removed.
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:50:00 -
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Personal attack post removed.
Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Enaya Radur
Beyond Remorse. MORE.DPS
8
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:00:00 -
[1086] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:
-snipped for clarity- I am really sorry, I try to understand the details on a a twitter stream but not too clear to me, Is CCP goliath promising a response today? Basically this from CCP Goliath: "It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess." Thank you. No point pre judging it in any way, or discussing what it might say. Excellent news. The silence was the biggest issue of all and now that is being solved well done. Yeah sorry for the delay - we wrote it on Monday, put it in for approval today, so will be tweaking it tonight once we get notes on it and then fingers crossed release tomorrow.
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
248
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:06:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote: Thanks CCP Goliath, look forward to it, Thank you especially for letting us know.
I'm going to repeat that but add the word "here" to the end of it.
Nice to see commentary on the official forums, not just external sources. Profit favors the prepared |

Enaya Radur
Beyond Remorse. MORE.DPS
8
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:07:00 -
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I am not happy with frequency of updates and this "official reply" process duration.
I'm strugling to understand the process that takes whole day for every step. So what, if one more iteration is needed we will wait one or two extra days?
My first reaction was "they don't care" but upon consideration now I stand at "they care and they want to do this properly".
Diversity of playstyles is what makes EVE great, so wherever you are one thing should be important to all players - that CCP respect their playerbase and make balanced decisions on game future.
Hope I'm right and can't wait to see the response. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
98
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:12:00 -
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Come on now, we've got what we wanted. They've been so kind as to acknowledge our existence.
Now let's let them work and see what they come up with before restarting ;)
Enaya Radur wrote:I am not happy with frequency of updates and this "official reply" process duration.
I'm strugling to understand the process that takes whole day for every step. So what, if one more iteration is needed we will wait one or two extra days?
My first reaction was "they don't care" but upon consideration now I stand at "they care and they want to do this properly".
Diversity of playstyles is what makes EVE great, so wherever you are one thing should be important to all players - that CCP respect their playerbase and make balanced decisions on game future.
Hope I'm right and can't wait to see the response.
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
261
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:22:00 -
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It is good to hear we will have some news tomorrow. I think people were too angry to have a bit of patience over such a delicate issue. Ive noticed some going off topic and even ISD removing some comments. I would hope any one else who post will be a bit more civilized. It is a game after all folks :D |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
918
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:20:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Come on now, we've got what we wanted. They've been so kind as to acknowledge our existence. Now let's let them work and see what they come up with before restarting ;) Enaya Radur wrote:I am not happy with frequency of updates and this "official reply" process duration.
I'm strugling to understand the process that takes whole day for every step. So what, if one more iteration is needed we will wait one or two extra days?
My first reaction was "they don't care" but upon consideration now I stand at "they care and they want to do this properly".
Diversity of playstyles is what makes EVE great, so wherever you are one thing should be important to all players - that CCP respect their playerbase and make balanced decisions on game future.
Hope I'm right and can't wait to see the response.
I believe, Killerjock, that this was a positive post that you may have misread. Initial reactions are always emotionally based and I believe that Enaya is now saying that they seem to want to make this right by having it fully reviewed before publishing.
While I agree and hope that is as exhaustive as it can be with all the concerns in this thread I know that they will have to follow their processes and procedures which is fine by me.
@CCP Goliath:
I'd like to say thank you for updating this thread, saves me posting from Twitter, and if there is a delay just an update per day would be nice to see just to say "We know you are waiting, we are trying to address your concerns or whatever we are waiting on or you are working on and you are important to us but its important that we get this right". I for one honestly appreciate the update though. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

CERA Elitist
Temporal Guard
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:20:00 -
[1092] - Quote
it's nice to see a sudden increase in moderator activity shortly after CCP Goliath's second response.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
918
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:25:00 -
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Octoven wrote:It is good to hear we will have some news tomorrow. I think people were too angry to have a bit of patience over such a delicate issue. Ive noticed some going off topic and even ISD removing some comments. I would hope any one else who post will be a bit more civilized. It is a game after all folks :D
While I fully support ISD in their role (not one I envy) this "it's just a game" mantra doesn't hold true when there are IRL issues, concerns or complaints I'm afraid. I do hope that the constructive posts continue as it's turned this thread into something that can be used to improve, learn, adapt and move forward with which has only been possible since some people exited and stopped trolling and those with genuine complaints (myself included) kept trying to get the message across and it seems we finally have a thread that is going forward in a positive manner.
My thanks to ISD for clearing up whatever you did. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
261
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:32:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:It is good to hear we will have some news tomorrow. I think people were too angry to have a bit of patience over such a delicate issue. Ive noticed some going off topic and even ISD removing some comments. I would hope any one else who post will be a bit more civilized. It is a game after all folks :D While I fully support ISD in their role (not one I envy) this "it's just a game" mantra doesn't hold true when there are IRL issues, concerns or complaints I'm afraid. I do hope that the constructive posts continue as it's turned this thread into something that can be used to improve, learn, adapt and move forward with which has only been possible since some people exited and stopped trolling and those with genuine complaints (myself included) kept trying to get the message across and it seems we finally have a thread that is going forward in a positive manner. My thanks to ISD for clearing up whatever you did.
That may be true, but there is a major difference between feedback and just down right slinging **** at people and I think this thread has seen plenty of that. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:42:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:It is good to hear we will have some news tomorrow. I think people were too angry to have a bit of patience over such a delicate issue. Ive noticed some going off topic and even ISD removing some comments. I would hope any one else who post will be a bit more civilized. It is a game after all folks :D While I fully support ISD in their role (not one I envy) this "it's just a game" mantra doesn't hold true when there are IRL issues, concerns or complaints I'm afraid. I do hope that the constructive posts continue as it's turned this thread into something that can be used to improve, learn, adapt and move forward with which has only been possible since some people exited and stopped trolling and those with genuine complaints (myself included) kept trying to get the message across and it seems we finally have a thread that is going forward in a positive manner. My thanks to ISD for clearing up whatever you did.
Absolutely, now we have crisis management back on track. Great news.
Of course CCP deserve the time to investigate, discuss, and resolve the issues. We welcome the fact that they heard there was something to look at.
It is on us now to stand behind them to help them resolve any issues where it in our power to do so. If they ask us for help to offer suggestion, we will help.
It is in ALL our interests for this game to succeed,
Let All groups work towards this and not take advantage to push our region or blocks agendas.
For some this is spreadsheets in space, for some battle, for some building something in a new environment,or the thrill of exploration and for others role play
That is why we still have EVE where others have fallen.
Lets support the fact that it is a game we all can play, in our own style, with respect for the others choices. And honour that original concept.
It is not a game where one side has to lose for another to win.
All can win. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
98
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:10:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:I believe, Killerjock, that this was a positive post that you may have misread.
I think you're right - apologies.
Quote:While I agree and hope that is as exhaustive as it can be with all the concerns in this thread I know that they will have to follow there processes and procedures which is fine by me.
Won't argue with processes :P I'm a Service manager, they're my job... Yet really this has mounted far beyond what was necessary, due to a long time without action or notice. As this seems to me as an established trend in how CCP handles crises, I dare say there's probably a lesson to be learned here.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:33:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:I believe, Killerjock, that this was a positive post that you may have misread. I think you're right - apologies. Quote:While I agree and hope that is as exhaustive as it can be with all the concerns in this thread I know that they will have to follow there processes and procedures which is fine by me. Won't argue with processes :P I'm a Service manager, they're my job... Yet really this has mounted far beyond what was necessary, due to a long time without action or notice. As this seems to me as an established trend in how CCP handles crises, I dare say there's probably a lesson to be learned here.
This is one that is very easily dealt with, crisis management is a skill that there is plenty of training available for, possibly even online. It is not complicated and the basics can be taught very quickly The main point is it can be counterintuitive sometimes. For example. A companies legal department may give advice that from a legal viewpoint is sound, but suicidal from a customer relations point of view. But in my experience if an experienced crisis manager presents his plan, I have never seen a legal department disagree.
It is really worth taking the time to train a couple of managers, it will be of great value as in this world there is always a need sometime. Every customer facing business should. Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
918
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:57:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Absolutely, now we have crisis management back on track. Great news.
Of course CCP deserve the time to investigate, discuss, and resolve the issues. We welcome the fact that they heard there was something to look at.
It is on us now to stand behind them to help them resolve any issues where it in our power to do so. If they ask us for help to offer suggestion, we will help.
It is in ALL our interests for this game to succeed,
Let All groups work towards this and not take advantage to push our region or blocks agendas.
For some this is spreadsheets in space, for some battle, for some building something in a new environment,or the thrill of exploration and for others role play
That is why we still have EVE where others have fallen.
Lets support the fact that it is a game we all can play, in our own style, with respect for the others choices. And honour that original concept.
It is not a game where one side has to lose for another to win.
All can win.
This has always been why I have stayed a paying customer to EVE for so long and has to be one of thee best posts from epicurus ataraxia.
As posted on Twitter from CCP Explorer
erlendur via Twitter wrote:
GÇÅCommunication is the key ingredient in any relationship, be it personal, business or gaming
and as long as CCP as a company hold true to communicating with their client base and allow transparency during times like these then I'm sure that we can all build a better New Eden from it be it for Null Sec\Hi-Sec\Low-Sec\WH or Jove (ah who am I kidding, Jovians are screwed!) and as I recently heard on a song from Fanfest 2012 AlienHand - We are EVE (FF12 Version) that I believe holds true:
"We are all part of something greater than we can ever imagine, We are the past, present and the future. We are all brothers and sisters of EvE. Regardless of race and beliefs.
We are family
This is our moment, our time to shine, We are all part of something greater than we can ever imagine. We are family, Brothers and sister of EvE. This is our world, our universe.
We are EvE." Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
324
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:29:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Absolutely, now we have crisis management back on track. Great news.
Of course CCP deserve the time to investigate, discuss, and resolve the issues. We welcome the fact that they heard there was something to look at.
It is on us now to stand behind them to help them resolve any issues where it in our power to do so. If they ask us for help to offer suggestion, we will help.
It is in ALL our interests for this game to succeed,
Let All groups work towards this and not take advantage to push our region or blocks agendas.
For some this is spreadsheets in space, for some battle, for some building something in a new environment,or the thrill of exploration and for others role play
That is why we still have EVE where others have fallen.
Lets support the fact that it is a game we all can play, in our own style, with respect for the others choices. And honour that original concept.
It is not a game where one side has to lose for another to win.
All can win. This has always been why I have stayed a paying customer to EVE for so long and has to be one of thee best posts from epicurus ataraxia. As posted on Twitter from CCP Explorer erlendur via Twitter wrote:
GÇÅCommunication is the key ingredient in any relationship, be it personal, business or gaming
and as long as CCP as a company hold true to communicating with their client base and allow transparency during times like these then I'm sure that we can all build a better New Eden from it be it for Null Sec\Hi-Sec\Low-Sec\WH or Jove (ah who am I kidding, Jovians are screwed!) and as I recently heard on a song from Fanfest 2012 AlienHand - We are EVE (FF12 Version) that I believe holds true: " We are all part of something greater than we can ever imagine, We are the past, present and the future. We are all brothers and sisters of EvE. Regardless of race and beliefs.
We are family
This is our moment, our time to shine, We are all part of something greater than we can ever imagine. We are family, Brothers and sister of EvE. This is our world, our universe.We are EvE."
Thank you for your kind thoughts, but much much more than that thank you for your truly excellent post.
The video produced by CCP encapsulates everything that I could hope for, no company that believes this in the roots of it's culture could fail to lead us forward.
This is what EvE is. This is what all of us need to be reminded of.
This is eve into the future.
Thank you so much for sharing it..
Forward !
Accept what you cannot change but change what you cannot accept |

Minmatar Assassin
Utopian Research I.E.L.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:40:00 -
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As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region.
I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event.
Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that.
To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on. 
Thanks for reading, MA.
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
58
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:03:00 -
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Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used.
CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party.
But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
522
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:44:00 -
[1102] - Quote
Waiting to see if the Dev Blog actually says what they will do in the future, or a standard CCP apology 'We are reviewing' with no further comment on it. We are still waiting for a community rewards policy to be published like promised after all. A live Events policy will likely be even further down the line the way they are going, when it should take no more than a day or two to knock out a basic policy. |

Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:43:00 -
[1103] - Quote
Enaya Radur wrote:I am not happy with frequency of updates and this "official reply" process duration.
I'm strugling to understand the process that takes whole day for every step. So what, if one more iteration is needed we will wait one or two extra days? To be fair to CCP they used to post much more quickly (when they posted, which wasn't always) but often not necessarily the most well considered posts (e.g. Summer of RAGE and pouring nitroglycerin on the inferno). Now they mostly have a process which includes bouncing dev blogs off the CSM and generally vetting them for content more closely before throwing them to the piranhas. I mean players. All of this takes time.
Whether or not that process works here is why they invented popcorn.  |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
949
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:05:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:Enaya Radur wrote:I am not happy with frequency of updates and this "official reply" process duration.
I'm strugling to understand the process that takes whole day for every step. So what, if one more iteration is needed we will wait one or two extra days? To be fair to CCP they used to post much more quickly (when they posted, which wasn't always) but often not necessarily the most well considered posts (e.g. Summer of RAGE and pouring nitroglycerin on the inferno). Now they mostly have a process which includes bouncing dev blogs off the CSM and generally vetting them for content more closely before throwing them to the piranhas. I mean players. All of this takes time. Whether or not that process works here is why they invented popcorn. 
I have to agree with Celia on this. I would rather CCP posted a Dev Blog after an in-depth discussion with our elected body and their own management and got it right than quickly threw up something but something that does need to be improved, and so far looks to have been, is the frequency of the "We are not ignoring this" posts and in EVE Online Forums as the main source and not external social media networks.
I'm happy as long as we, the customer, are updated at the very least once a day with progress etc. Better to get it right and in-line with processes, procedures, legal requirements and the CSM than just pour fuel on a fire that has been burning for 55 pages and 6 days.
EDIT:
Grabs popcorn. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
285
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:44:00 -
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Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:Lychton Kondur wrote:cochar Andedare wrote:Fleet left staging system when destination was announced. TDI all the way, event was over when we arrived. Total waste of my time. Words fail me. First event. Last event. Words don't fail you. You've failed yourself. Harden the **** up. We are Grrrrr, we Are bigg!!!! We kill bunch of carebears look! Oh wait... You haven't done anything new... again... CCP did it for you... So... 0/10 I mean how hard can it be to click f1 when there is no real challenge... In your home turf... I luagh at your leet skillz
Resume the thread -- > Super 0.0 power block fed free killz by CCP, Block laugh at people trying to enjoy a game. Newb and carebears feel violated by a game that really doesn't give a **** about them... Classic. I don't have the time to cross-reference the relevant threads, and without pointing the finger at anyone in particular, how many of you hi-sec scrubs crying are the same hi-sec scrubs that laugh at ganking mining barges and ratters etc.?
Welcome to the fight. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
325
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Posted - 2013.11.13 10:47:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Celia Therone wrote:Enaya Radur wrote:I am not happy with frequency of updates and this "official reply" process duration.
I'm strugling to understand the process that takes whole day for every step. So what, if one more iteration is needed we will wait one or two extra days? To be fair to CCP they used to post much more quickly (when they posted, which wasn't always) but often not necessarily the most well considered posts (e.g. Summer of RAGE and pouring nitroglycerin on the inferno). Now they mostly have a process which includes bouncing dev blogs off the CSM and generally vetting them for content more closely before throwing them to the piranhas. I mean players. All of this takes time. Whether or not that process works here is why they invented popcorn.  I have to agree with Celia on this. I would rather CCP posted a Dev Blog after an in-depth discussion with our elected body and their own management and got it right than quickly threw up something but something that does need to be improved, and so far looks to have been, is the frequency of the "We are not ignoring this" posts and in EVE Online Forums as the main source and not external social media networks. I'm happy as long as we, the customer, are updated at the very least once a day with progress etc. Better to get it right and in-line with processes, procedures, legal requirements and the CSM than just pour fuel on a fire that has been burning for 55 pages and 6 days. EDIT: Grabs popcorn. Crisis management is a process thet has been developed over hundreds of years as a response to wars, treaty failiure and simple company self destruction.
It was refined greatly in the 19th and especially the 20th century as the tools to understand human psychology were made available outside the medical profession.
Large companies always either have a dedicated team to deal with a crisis or train individuals as part of their other roles in this matter to deal with issues on a more granular level. This second method is ideal for small customer facing companies as it is cheap and extremely fast to implement, phenomenal improvements occur in just days.
I have witnessed this transformation myself, and could not believe the difference that occurred.
A crisis can be an amazing opportunity as customers do not form strong impressions over time easily, but form a strong and lasting impression in a crisis. Well managed it is the best and cheapest advertising and marketing that can ever be achieved. It also creates committed and resilient customers.
Far far less than 1% of a companies advertising and marketing budget on one off training can achieve more than the advertising and marketing department ever can.It should be their budget it comes from not legal and administration.
It will GROW the business.
There is a reason why this field exists as a profession. Make use of it and have happy customers,and a profitable STABLE business. Break the impression of lurching from crisis to crisis.
I hope this helps, we love EvE we want the company to thrive. And we care.
Fly safe. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
261
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:11:00 -
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Here is your long awaited explanation http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empires-led-capsuleer-assault-on-pirates-ends-in-failure/ |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
952
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:18:00 -
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That is not a Dev Blog, that's a News article so I will await to hear from CCP on an actual Dev Blog:
News: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ Dev Blogs: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
261
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:19:00 -
[1109] - Quote
Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article? |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1834

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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:34:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article?
Hi! Yeah the news is not the statement I promised 
That's just something we tend to do post-event as a matter of course. Blog should be coming this afternoon. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
952
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:35:00 -
[1111] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article?
Yes albeit via Twitter:
CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote: GÇÅ@CCP_Goliath 12 Nov
@CEOMCMXD @CCPGames actually, responding is the wrong choice, the team is releasing a devblog on the event. This would have happened anyway
To what it will contain or to what extent I wouldn't like to speculate right now but I'm sure there are discussions behind the doors at CCP Headquarters regarding this. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
952
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:37:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Octoven wrote:Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article? Hi! Yeah the news is not the statement I promised  That's just something we tend to do post-event as a matter of course. Blog should be coming this afternoon.
Beat me to it...Grrrr . really appreciate you coming in and clarifying that CCP Goliath and for the update. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1834

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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:37:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud
You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
325
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:38:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Octoven wrote:Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article? Hi! Yeah the news is not the statement I promised  That's just something we tend to do post-event as a matter of course. Blog should be coming this afternoon. Thank you CCP Goliath, that was an interesting read. We look forward to the main response, your communication keeping us updated is appreciated. Thank you for your efforts.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
261
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:40:00 -
[1115] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax).
Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
953
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:55:00 -
[1116] - Quote
Octoven wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action.
I think, just an opinion, that you can do both. In the LE channel (or a CCP moderated channel) you could gag everyone so that people involved can muster to where they're supposed to and key messages that are required to help the event be successful for the participants (not necessarily to aid in a successful story however as we've seen) are seen by everyone interested (Noob, Carebear, Hi-Sec Dweller or Nullbear Chest Beater) but you also have other channels that can be used fo rthe "free speech" that is so desired by all as well. It doesn't have to be a one or nothing type of thing. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
261
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:02:00 -
[1117] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action. I think, just an opinion, that you can do both. In the LE channel (or a CCP moderated channel) you could gag everyone so that people involved can muster to where they're supposed to and key messages that are required to help the event be successful for the participants (not necessarily to aid in a successful story however as we've seen) are seen by everyone interested (Noob, Carebear, Hi-Sec Dweller or Nullbear Chest Beater) but you also have other channels that can be used fo rthe "free speech" that is so desired by all as well. It doesn't have to be a one or nothing type of thing.
To deny the ability to disrupt events via chatting in the fleet chat or whatever is at the core of being able to disrupt it. CCP is a neutral entity in the game so are the empires. They do not favor one type of player over the other be it to assist in the event or wreck it. Thus the logical course of action would be to not bother with gagging of official comms. Player comms yes...because we have our own agendas that determine if we want to fight for a particular alliance or something. We intentionally blow each other up under a one sided mentality. CCP must remain completely neutral and provide both the opportunity to make the event successful as well as the opportunity to completely wreck it as well.
Communication is key to any success we have already established that a few pages back. Thus if you disrupt communication lines you ruin the success. Isolating the official comms from that goal impedes upon that goal. I for one don't like it...but I understand that it is necessary. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
953
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:19:00 -
[1118] - Quote
Octoven wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Octoven wrote:
Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action.
I think, just an opinion, that you can do both. In the LE channel (or a CCP moderated channel) you could gag everyone so that people involved can muster to where they're supposed to and key messages that are required to help the event be successful for the participants (not necessarily to aid in a successful story however as we've seen) are seen by everyone interested (Noob, Carebear, Hi-Sec Dweller or Nullbear Chest Beater) but you also have other channels that can be used fo rthe "free speech" that is so desired by all as well. It doesn't have to be a one or nothing type of thing. To deny the ability to disrupt events via chatting in the fleet chat or whatever is at the core of being able to disrupt it. CCP is a neutral entity in the game so are the empires. They do not favor one type of player over the other be it to assist in the event or wreck it. Thus the logical course of action would be to not bother with gagging of official comms. Player comms yes...because we have our own agendas that determine if we want to fight for a particular alliance or something. We intentionally blow each other up under a one sided mentality. CCP must remain completely neutral and provide both the opportunity to make the event successful as well as the opportunity to completely wreck it as well. Communication is key to any success we have already established that a few pages back. Thus if you disrupt communication lines you ruin the success. Isolating the official comms from that goal impedes upon that goal. I for one don't like it...but I understand that it is necessary.
Oh I hear you, believe me but if there is no way for successful communications then Live Events might as well be scrapped as this thread demonstrates very well just what happens when you can't get communications out.
Now I accept your opinion that you should be able to disrupt communications and cause chaos, to deny that would be against the sandbox we all love, but there are other ways of doing so and in unofficial channels e.g. Fleet, Local, Player Controlled Intel Channels, Constellation etc.
CCP do post in the MotD of some channels that they are official channels and moderated so this is not unprecedented. It would be up to the players to realise that these channels are required from links in Dev Blogs or communicating with the community as many did for 07-11. Now if I wanted to disrupt a Live Event I wouldn't stop people getting the information out especially if it was Null Bound. I'd get in that fleet, relay that clear information to my fellow pirates layign in wait and possibly even go blue-on-blue to help my fellow gate-crashers to get some juicy kills.
Mismanaged or disrupting communications, in my experience of 07-11, only lead to frustration, confusion and a lot of people having a negative view of Live Events. If the fleets had gotten the information in a more timely and clear manner the organised pirates awaiting with bubbles and sniper fleets could've really increased those kills a lot more than they had on that day.
just my thoughts and by no means an expert. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
326
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:22:00 -
[1119] - Quote
Octoven wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action.
It is of course possible to have both. A seperate read only event channel plus normal local.
Something for everyone,
An assumption has developed where certain groups believe that EvE is only for them. Everyone must be converted to their view of EvE or leave.
Things like EvE is hard HTFU go play WOW carebear.
Fun phrases, but remember the phrase we are one for example and many many others that do not say that the whole point of the game is to make others miserable??
Sure chest beating and verbal warpaint is appropriate for certain warrior aspects of the game, but is damn silly on a market trader for example
People have come to believe their own propaganda is EvE.
This is the toxic culture we are referring to.
Eve is a place we all live some to build and some to dream.
Let us all share eve and make it a place where we truly can reach for the stars
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
58
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Posted - 2013.11.13 12:51:00 -
[1120] - Quote
Really? Out of the litterally hundreds of well thought out and well articulated posts on the matter you chose MY obvious bait post to reply to?
I am not sure if I should be laughing or crying.
No matter some good discussion came from it. |
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Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
39
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:00:00 -
[1121] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax).
Wait what now?
What happend to the tools that enabled you to spawn vast sansha incursion fleets complete with follow-the-primary targetting then? |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
327
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:03:00 -
[1122] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:Really? Out of the litterally hundreds of well thought out and well articulated posts on the matter you chose MY obvious bait post to reply to?
I am not sure if I should be laughing or crying.
No matter some good discussion came from it.
I did quote you, and i did understand,because there's a place for it all in Eve.
It really is an amazing thing, a phenomenal social experiment and a game too !
It needs to be brought back from it's extremes from time to time, reassert it's values but still totally fascinating the directions it goes.
The recent events are good in that it has brought into the spotlight where the game is at the moment, and where it is steering away from the vision.
It doesn't need changing as such, just a reminder that CCP want the game to be for us all. and correct the misunderstandings.
let us take it forward and upwards, the players are good at that. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
58
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:15:00 -
[1123] - Quote
Fergus Runkle wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). Wait what now? What happend to the tools that enabled you to spawn vast sansha incursion fleets complete with follow-the-primary targetting then? that was probably pre programmed and planned while this event was not as well planned. just spawning stuff willy nilly could cause problems I can see that but that is not what I or anyone else meant. my post was just the easiest to misinterpreted. the possibility of spawning of empire reinforcements should have been planned for from the beginning as should something like titan bridging.
end of the day the event was not planned well and the obvious consequences not realised. I am even more leaning towards incompetence rather than malace now.
I mean telling thousands of players to travel 20jumps over unhardened nodes. what the heck did you THINK was going to happen? That is what I'd like an answer to. |

Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
84
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:19:00 -
[1124] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Octoven wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action. It is of course possible to have both. A seperate read only event channel plus normal local. Something for everyone, Sometimes it is necessary for a gardener to prune a plant, to remove animal droppings, for a garden to be beautiful. Agreed eve is a sandbox, but it is everyones sandbox. sometimes it needs a little cleaning. An assumption has developed where certain groups believe that EvE is only for them. Everyone must be converted to their view of EvE or leave. Things like EvE is hard HTFU go play WOW carebear. It's a sandbox we will crap in it if we want. Read these a lot the last few days Fun phrases, but remember the phrase We are one We are EvE ! for example and many many others that do not say that the whole point of the game is to make others miserable?? Sure chest beating and verbal warpaint is appropriate for certain warrior aspects of the game, but is damn silly on a market trader for example People have come to believe their own propaganda is EvE. This is the toxic culture we are referring to. The problem is that they believe this is company policy. It is time to correct this misunderstanding and make clear our values. This thread has done that. We look forward to CCP reminding us of their values. Eve is a place we all live some to build and some to dream. Let us all share eve and make it a place where we truly can reach for the stars
I could only wish that there were more people with this view.
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
58
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:26:00 -
[1125] - Quote
I almost want to say that the absense of an announcement only event channel (in addition to all the other channels) borders on malicious intent but I just can't shake that underlying feeling of incompetence. I hope the dev blog answers these questions. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
955
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:01:00 -
[1126] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:I mean telling thousands of players to travel 20jumps over unhardened nodes. what the heck did you THINK was going to happen? That is what I'd like an answer to.
This was posted up on Twitter:
GÇÅ@CCP_Eterne wrote: 7 Nov
Apologies for all the lag and tidi guys. We have tons of systems reinforced, including Sarum Prime and other systems. #tweefleet
It's more of a "time allowed to complete" issue or in IT speak TTL AKA Time To Live (ha ha) and co-ordination, communication, organisation and -insertword-tion that we are waiting to hear about. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
327
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:03:00 -
[1127] - Quote
Quote:
Not to mention gagging comms in an event seems counter-intuitive to the spirit of eve's freedom of action.
Quote: It is of course possible to have both. A seperate read only event channel plus normal local.
Something for everyone,
Sometimes it is necessary for a gardener to prune a plant, to remove animal droppings, for a garden to be beautiful. Agreed eve is a sandbox, but it is everyones sandbox. sometimes it needs a little cleaning.
An assumption has developed where certain groups believe that EvE is only for them. Everyone must be converted to their view of EvE or leave.
Things like EvE is hard HTFU go play WOW carebear. It's a sandbox we will crap in it if we want. Read these a lot the last few days
Fun phrases, but remember the phrase We are one We are EvE ! for example and many many others that do not say that the whole point of the game is to make others miserable??
Sure chest beating and verbal warpaint is appropriate for certain warrior aspects of the game, but is damn silly on a market trader for example
People have come to believe their own propaganda is EvE.
This is the toxic culture we are referring to. The problem is that they believe this is company policy. It is time to correct this misunderstanding and make clear our values. This thread has done that. We look forward to CCP reminding us of their values.
Eve is a place we all live some to build and some to dream.
Let us all share eve and make it a place where we truly can reach for the stars
Quote: I could only wish that there were more people with this view.
Thankfully,the thousands of posts show that the majority of EvE does.
This may turn into the best thing that could have happened as our voices have been heard. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:21:00 -
[1128] - Quote
The fact that it's taking a week for them to come out and say anything tells me all i need to know.
If they accepted the fact that it was a total screw up they would have been more responsive, but other then Goliaths political comments of "we're looking into the situation" we've heard nothing. Meaning that CCP doesn't really consider the situation all that bad.
I think that this is the beginning of whats to come, the loss of customer confidence in the midst of a number of other upcoming games that will threaten the carebear accounts. I mean isn't x-rebirth launch soon? that's a great game that would appeal to many of the carebears and there is no monthly fee. Also what about Star Citizen when it comes out in a year or two? If you look at the gaming market there are a lot of new space games coming out and yes none of them are eve. But eve is attractive to different people for different reasons.
Most carebear folks enjoy creating empires,making ships,killing NPC pirates, playing the market, trading, or the whole lore and RPG behind the game. All of which can be done in x-rebirth or star citizen without a monthly fee.
Despite what many pvpers want to think, it's the carebear accounts that make up the bulk of the eve player base and you'll never get rid of that fact. they are as needed in the game as anything else. Remove all of today's carebears and you'll have a number of pvpers stop fighting and fill that role and then you have the carebears again. the industry is the heart of eve, without it there is no pvp since there is no ships. you can have industry without pvp just not a very big one lol. (yes i'm sure i'll get flamed for pointing out what many people hate to admit)
So in the long run this is going to hurt CCP. It's a shame that they don't understand the level of screw up that happened here. Wounds heal but scars never let you forget. From reading all the comments on the different threads about this whole debacle it sounds like many folks wont be forgetting this one for a while.
So hats off to your backfired live event CCP. You've managed to screw up on a grand scale this time. |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
58
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:25:00 -
[1129] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:I mean telling thousands of players to travel 20jumps over unhardened nodes. what the heck did you THINK was going to happen? That is what I'd like an answer to. This was posted up on Twitter: GÇÅ@CCP_Eterne wrote: 7 Nov
Apologies for all the lag and tidi guys. We have tons of systems reinforced, including Sarum Prime and other systems. #tweefleet It's more of a "time allowed to complete" issue or in IT speak TTL AKA Time To Live (ha ha) and co-ordination, communication, organisation and -insertword-tion that we are waiting to hear about. I heard that there was no tidi in sarum but the systems they were told to travel along had as bad as 10%tidi. somewhere they misjudged horribly. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
104
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:28:00 -
[1130] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Thankfully,the thousands of posts show that the majority of EvE does.
This may turn into the best thing that could have happened as our voices have been heard.
Epicurus, the speed with which you turned around makes me dizzy ;)
While we've got an answer finally, this isn't over. We haven't been appeased, made happy and that's it. We've been told we'll have an answer, eventually - which is perfectly fine on the first or second day, but on the sixth day it's only worth something if the follow up is quick. Which doesn't seem to be the case, so far - business day is almost over again.
I'm not less annoyed - I'm just waiting for CCP to finally make a long overdue statement on what they were thinking. In my personal view, they can get out of this in two ways: either by assuming full responsibility for an event that seemed to have been planned by drunken monkeys (see https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=295205&find=unread) and admit they just did not think of consequences; or by explaining what they had in mind and then accpet responsibility for those parts of it that did not work out - including original design if needed.
I'd also like to understand clearly what the plans are for us carebears since all points in the direction octoven made so clear: "You could've choosen to side with the pirates and profit, don't complain if you've made another choice". Aka, real game is null, hisec is a commodity we've provided but don't get too cozy.
Yes, I love eve, it's the best game I've ever played in my long gamer life, hands down; and CCP has - so far - been _by far_ the best company I've had the misfortune to have contact with, in normal situations - when some guy hacked the client to have the Capt.Quarters TV show **** most companies would've made a fuss - what did CCP do? Tell all others how to do the same. If THAT is not GREAT customer relationships, I've never seen any. When they do make a mistake though, it's a beauty. I don't have to bring up the T2 lottery scandal, jita burning, or any such pearl I suppose. This is just one more in the number - it's high time CCP plans for the next one, since it WILL happen, and they WILL mess it up like this time and the other times... unless they prepare.
This is a game, and while I've spent lots of time and money on it till now (haven't ever plexed, all my gametime has been paid for in euro so far), I can just as well bring my money elsewhere. Yeah, capsuleer, carebear, whatever.... I'm still a 38 years old person with a job, a kid, and not as much free time as I'd like; and much to my dismay, without a spaceship. My choices are made as such.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1501
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:31:00 -
[1131] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:The fact that it's taking a week for them to come out and say anything tells me all i need to know.
If they accepted the fact that it was a total screw up they would have been more responsive, but other then Goliaths political comments of "we're looking into the situation" we've heard nothing. Meaning that CCP doesn't really consider the situation all that bad.
I think that this is the beginning of whats to come, the loss of customer confidence in the midst of a number of other upcoming games that will threaten the carebear accounts. I mean isn't x-rebirth launch soon? that's a great game that would appeal to many of the carebears and there is no monthly fee. Also what about Star Citizen when it comes out in a year or two? If you look at the gaming market there are a lot of new space games coming out and yes none of them are eve. But eve is attractive to different people for different reasons.
Most carebear folks enjoy creating empires,making ships,killing NPC pirates, playing the market, trading, or the whole lore and RPG behind the game. All of which can be done in x-rebirth or star citizen without a monthly fee.
Despite what many pvpers want to think, it's the carebear accounts that make up the bulk of the eve player base and you'll never get rid of that fact. they are as needed in the game as anything else. Remove all of today's carebears and you'll have a number of pvpers stop fighting and fill that role and then you have the carebears again. the industry is the heart of eve, without it there is no pvp since there is no ships. you can have industry without pvp just not a very big one lol. (yes i'm sure i'll get flamed for pointing out what many people hate to admit)
So in the long run this is going to hurt CCP. It's a shame that they don't understand the level of screw up that happened here. Wounds heal but scars never let you forget. From reading all the comments on the different threads about this whole debacle it sounds like many folks wont be forgetting this one for a while.
So hats off to your backfired live event CCP. You've managed to screw up on a grand scale this time.
A couple things:
1. Totally agree that CCP has shown its sentiment, again, about high sec players. 2. But disagree about high sec players always being the backbone of their subscription base. CCP has also made it clear that they think they can indeed survive, even flourish, without the casual high sec player. They are wrong of course. But that does not change the fact that it is full steam ahead to overhaul high sec into something that is more player-controllable, which means the null sec cartels taking over, and Concord being weakened/removed, and high sec income being all but wiped out.
If You don't believe me, watch the Twitch TV thread tomorrow where the person that CCP has entrusted the direction of Eve to, describes what she plans on doing longterm.
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:43:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:The fact that it's taking a week for them to come out and say anything tells me all i need to know.
If they accepted the fact that it was a total screw up they would have been more responsive, but other then Goliaths political comments of "we're looking into the situation" we've heard nothing. Meaning that CCP doesn't really consider the situation all that bad.
I think that this is the beginning of whats to come, the loss of customer confidence in the midst of a number of other upcoming games that will threaten the carebear accounts. I mean isn't x-rebirth launch soon? that's a great game that would appeal to many of the carebears and there is no monthly fee. Also what about Star Citizen when it comes out in a year or two? If you look at the gaming market there are a lot of new space games coming out and yes none of them are eve. But eve is attractive to different people for different reasons.
Most carebear folks enjoy creating empires,making ships,killing NPC pirates, playing the market, trading, or the whole lore and RPG behind the game. All of which can be done in x-rebirth or star citizen without a monthly fee.
Despite what many pvpers want to think, it's the carebear accounts that make up the bulk of the eve player base and you'll never get rid of that fact. they are as needed in the game as anything else. Remove all of today's carebears and you'll have a number of pvpers stop fighting and fill that role and then you have the carebears again. the industry is the heart of eve, without it there is no pvp since there is no ships. you can have industry without pvp just not a very big one lol. (yes i'm sure i'll get flamed for pointing out what many people hate to admit)
So in the long run this is going to hurt CCP. It's a shame that they don't understand the level of screw up that happened here. Wounds heal but scars never let you forget. From reading all the comments on the different threads about this whole debacle it sounds like many folks wont be forgetting this one for a while.
So hats off to your backfired live event CCP. You've managed to screw up on a grand scale this time. A couple things: 1. Totally agree that CCP has shown its sentiment, again, about high sec players. 2. But disagree about high sec players always being the backbone of their subscription base. CCP has also made it clear that they think they can indeed survive, even flourish, without the casual high sec player. They are wrong of course. But that does not change the fact that it is full steam ahead to overhaul high sec into something that is more player-controllable, which means the null sec cartels taking over, and Concord being weakened/removed, and high sec income being all but wiped out. If You don't believe me, watch the Twitch TV thread tomorrow where the person that CCP has entrusted the direction of Eve to, describes what she plans on doing longterm.
Ok if thats the case i can see that working as you described, moving the trade and transactions (bulk of which are in highsec) from high sec to be scattered around low/null. But that transformation of a game will have huge effects on player base. Many players don't pvp. Those players will leave and although that might be fine and yes CCP will take a financial hit. It wont close it's doors or anything don't get crazy. But it will become a much smaller community or players.
It wasn't to long ago that CCP tried to appeal to a larger group of players, now they're trying to reduce the number of players?
x-rebirth is out this friday. if you haven't looked at it, i would suggest doing so. I have 4 accounts total, 2 carebear accounts, 1 pvp account and one i use for anything and everything. that's $60 a month. many carebear folks have multiple accounts and i wouldn't be surprised if there was a tenancy to have more than one account if you were a carebear in this game. Many of which don't like nor want to be pushed into pvp. that's not whats appealing to them. So for those people, x-rebirth or star citizen is going to be a far more attractive game, assuming CCP doesn't acknowledge the massive screw up and do something to address customer confidence.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:53:00 -
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The communication level that this threadnaught should've received and deserved can be found on the link below (Posts 1 & 2). What's more astonishing is that this also relates to both IG and IRL along with the ethics employed by CCP:
Ishukone Ships and Surrounding issues... Coming SOON (TM)
I really do hope that the impending Dev Blog is cleared, published very soon and reassures the customer base that CCP will not in future just ignore an out cry or protest from their customers (whatever their play style choice) who have genuine grievances, complaints and concerns to the point of cancelling subscriptions awaiting outcomes, resorting to social media to get an answer or other insidious acts to vent their outrage or be noticed and taken seriously.
Internet spaceships are serious business...I agree...until you damage your reputation with your customers so much that you are no longer in business. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
328
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:53:00 -
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Rather than quoting all the above posts, I will try to respond to all as best I can in 1?
There have been thousands of people reading and posting and tens of thousands reading with great interest.
It is clear beyond doubt that a large part of the fury unleashed relates to the propaganda that had been evident for a while, regarding the choice for the majority of EvE's players to "convert" or leave. The propaganda was that the "EvE for everyone we all have a place "values were dead, replaced with EvE is Hard! HTFU.Die carebear Die.
This had been claimed by them to be company policy and they had been feeding the poison of suspicion and distrust of CCP.
The live event mistakenly appeared to reinforce this position and the storm of fury that occurred was more than anyone could have anticipated. We felt Betrayed!
The initial silence from CCP was a mistake, however they have started to respond and the slow final response is encouraging, they are clearly doing a root cause analysis they are considering a response.
This can only mean they have heard us. This can only mean they are questioning those who advised them. This can only mean they are reexamining their values,and wish to make them clear.
My turn around is that this was such a clear voice, such a clear message, they cannot fail to have heard, and we can return to the values where "there is a place for everyone" "we are all valued" "we can reach for the stars together"
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
959
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:05:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:There have been thousands of people reading and posting and tens of thousands reading with great interest.
A few actual hard stats:
Replies: 1,128 Unique Thread Views: 24,151 Likes: 2,312 (Not that this one is important)
I believe we have joined our voices and risen above the abuse we initially received and have been heard by CCP. I also believe that CCP are responding, albeit, in a rather delayed fashion but that would lend me to think that they are ensuring they address all our concerns and that we will have to wait for the Dev Blog to really appraise the situation post 07-11.
I do know that people have noted this thread in and outside of EVE and that 24,151 people have dipped in or read the threadnaught in it's entirety. That's 24,151 customers...let that sink in a little while.
This was never a "bash CCP" exercise for me or a popularity contest but I will not stand idly by while I see others being set upon by people who enjoy a different play style or who abuse people similar to myself and who chose to voice their concerns. Nor will I be silenced or ignored by a company that I have paid hard earned money to for the last ten years when it's clearly obvious that there were and are issues to be addressed.
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:10:00 -
[1136] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Rather than quoting all the above posts, I will try to respond to all as best I can in 1?
There have been thousands of people reading and posting and tens of thousands reading with great interest.
It is clear beyond doubt that a large part of the fury unleashed relates to the propaganda that had been evident for a while, regarding the choice for the majority of EvE's players to "convert" or leave. The propaganda was that the "EvE for everyone we all have a place "values were dead, replaced with EvE is Hard! HTFU.Die carebear Die.
This had been claimed by them to be company policy and they had been feeding the poison of suspicion and distrust of CCP.
The live event mistakenly appeared to reinforce this position and the storm of fury that occurred was more than anyone could have anticipated. We felt Betrayed!
The initial silence from CCP was a mistake, however they have started to respond and the slow final response is encouraging, they are clearly doing a root cause analysis they are considering a response.
This can only mean they have heard us. This can only mean they are questioning those who advised them. This can only mean they are reexamining their values,and wish to make them clear.
My turn around is that this was such a clear voice, such a clear message,people believed in EvE and we were not alone. They cannot fail to have heard, and we can return to the values where "there is a place for everyone" "we are all valued" "we can reach for the stars together"
Welcome to EvE
Yes i agree that they heard the people, power to the people! But don't let that cloud your view... just because they hear the people doesn't mean they care about the people.
if what people are saying is true than CCP doesn't want to lose the player base but the wants to transform the game. Which is fine, it's there game if they want to change it's direction by all means do so. So what they're going to do if they're smart and yes they are smart. they're try and convert as many of the players as they can in the process of transforming the game. Make the transformation slow get people involved using 'live events' which will result in pvp and whatever else they can think of.
All i know is that three of my accounts are going to get closed. This one i'll keep open so i can continue to post and well it is my supposed pvp account lol
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El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
14
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:13:00 -
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Or, they are simply going to tell you what they think you want to hear, from a company that encourages scamming and underhanded griefing I know where I'd put my money.
Having a game that allows these things is great, because it allows player villains and white knights to naturally form, this doesn't mean the company should act like its the coolest thing since sliced bread. Something I dislike for instance is suicide ganking for no profit i.e just to upset other players (especially new players), I wouldn't remove the ability for players to do this but I would make it more costly so that it becomes only worth doing under contract (assassination) or for profit (piracy), the latter of which I have personal experience of carrying out. Similarly with scamming, I would never take it out of the game, but I ruddy well wouldn't act like scammers are awesome internet hero's or loveable rogues, there are no robin hoods in Eve.
The segregation of eve into lowsec, highsec, wormhole and null groups is what causes these problems, segregation caused by a very cut off point system rather than a sliding scale, sec status shows the theory works on sliding scales. Why then aren't incursions available in mixed constellations? Why aren't bombs/bubbles allowed in lowsec or at least 0.1's and caps available in 0.5's? Surely that would begin to erode the line and create more reasons for wardecs and other mechanics to be used?
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
328
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:30:00 -
[1138] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Rather than quoting all the above posts, I will try to respond to all as best I can in 1?
There have been thousands of people reading and posting and tens of thousands reading with great interest.
It is clear beyond doubt that a large part of the fury unleashed relates to the propaganda that had been evident for a while, regarding the choice for the majority of EvE's players to "convert" or leave. The propaganda was that the "EvE for everyone we all have a place "values were dead, replaced with EvE is Hard! HTFU.Die carebear Die.
This had been claimed by them to be company policy and they had been feeding the poison of suspicion and distrust of CCP.
The live event mistakenly appeared to reinforce this position and the storm of fury that occurred was more than anyone could have anticipated. We felt Betrayed!
The initial silence from CCP was a mistake, however they have started to respond and the slow final response is encouraging, they are clearly doing a root cause analysis they are considering a response.
This can only mean they have heard us. This can only mean they are questioning those who advised them. This can only mean they are reexamining their values,and wish to make them clear.
My turn around is that this was such a clear voice, such a clear message,people believed in EvE and we were not alone. They cannot fail to have heard, and we can return to the values where "there is a place for everyone" "we are all valued" "we can reach for the stars together"
Welcome to EvE Yes i agree that they heard the people, power to the people! But don't let that cloud your view... just because they hear the people doesn't mean they care about the people. if what people are saying is true than CCP doesn't want to lose the player base but the wants to transform the game. Which is fine, it's there game if they want to change it's direction by all means do so. So what they're going to do if they're smart and yes they are smart. they're try and convert as many of the players as they can in the process of transforming the game. Make the transformation slow get people involved using 'live events' which will result in pvp and whatever else they can think of. All i know is that three of my accounts are going to get closed. This one i'll keep open so i can continue to post and well it is my supposed pvp account lol
The good thing , no excellent thing is that this event has focused all the transformation ideas into a single burning supernova. There can be no drip like assimilation. There is no way players can be led by the nose into an EvE that has disregarded and disposed of it's values and beliefs.
It either completely dispenses with a major part of it's customer base, or it reaffirms those values.
A simple choice now for CCP and it's customers.
I believe there are those who advised this course of action will now be held up in the full light of day, and asked to explain themselves.
The response from CCP does not need to share their internal struggles, it needs to reaffirm their values.
Then we can make our decision clearly and move forward, or never look back as the case shall be.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:40:00 -
[1139] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Rather than quoting all the above posts, I will try to respond to all as best I can in 1?
There have been thousands of people reading and posting and tens of thousands reading with great interest.
It is clear beyond doubt that a large part of the fury unleashed relates to the propaganda that had been evident for a while, regarding the choice for the majority of EvE's players to "convert" or leave. The propaganda was that the "EvE for everyone we all have a place "values were dead, replaced with EvE is Hard! HTFU.Die carebear Die.
This had been claimed by them to be company policy and they had been feeding the poison of suspicion and distrust of CCP.
The live event mistakenly appeared to reinforce this position and the storm of fury that occurred was more than anyone could have anticipated. We felt Betrayed!
The initial silence from CCP was a mistake, however they have started to respond and the slow final response is encouraging, they are clearly doing a root cause analysis they are considering a response.
This can only mean they have heard us. This can only mean they are questioning those who advised them. This can only mean they are reexamining their values,and wish to make them clear.
My turn around is that this was such a clear voice, such a clear message,people believed in EvE and we were not alone. They cannot fail to have heard, and we can return to the values where "there is a place for everyone" "we are all valued" "we can reach for the stars together"
Welcome to EvE Yes i agree that they heard the people, power to the people! But don't let that cloud your view... just because they hear the people doesn't mean they care about the people. if what people are saying is true than CCP doesn't want to lose the player base but the wants to transform the game. Which is fine, it's there game if they want to change it's direction by all means do so. So what they're going to do if they're smart and yes they are smart. they're try and convert as many of the players as they can in the process of transforming the game. Make the transformation slow get people involved using 'live events' which will result in pvp and whatever else they can think of. All i know is that three of my accounts are going to get closed. This one i'll keep open so i can continue to post and well it is my supposed pvp account lol The good thing , no excellent thing is that this event has focused all the transformation ideas into a single burning supernova. There can be no drip like assimilation. There is no way players can be led by the nose into an EvE that has disregarded and disposed of it's values and beliefs. It either completely dispenses with a major part of it's customer base, or it reaffirms those values. A simple choice now for CCP and it's customers. I believe there are those who advised this course of action will now be held up in the full light of day, and asked to explain themselves. The response from CCP does not need to share their internal struggles, it needs to reaffirm their values. Then we can make our decision clearly and move forward, or never look back as the case shall be.
we all have our opinions, some optimistic some pessimistic and others realistic. i see yours as optimistic and my as realistic but you might see mine as pessimistic and yours as realistic. Thats the thing with opinion, it's why we have dozens of different views on the event and what long term (if any)effects this event will have on customer confidence. You could be right or you would be blind. I could be right or over reacting.
We'll just have to wait and see. You'll never change my opinion, i strongly think CCP intentionally did this and laughed the entire time. They don't care about the carebear, they care about the carebears money but if they've already worked out a way to run there business without it as suggested earlier in the thread than... things start to become clear. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
328
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:50:00 -
[1140] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Rather than quoting all the above posts, I will try to respond to all as best I can in 1?
There have been thousands of people reading and posting and tens of thousands reading with great interest.
It is clear beyond doubt that a large part of the fury unleashed relates to the propaganda that had been evident for a while, regarding the choice for the majority of EvE's players to "convert" or leave. The propaganda was that the "EvE for everyone we all have a place "values were dead, replaced with EvE is Hard! HTFU.Die carebear Die.
This had been claimed by them to be company policy and they had been feeding the poison of suspicion and distrust of CCP.
The live event mistakenly appeared to reinforce this position and the storm of fury that occurred was more than anyone could have anticipated. We felt Betrayed!
The initial silence from CCP was a mistake, however they have started to respond and the slow final response is encouraging, they are clearly doing a root cause analysis they are considering a response.
This can only mean they have heard us. This can only mean they are questioning those who advised them. This can only mean they are reexamining their values,and wish to make them clear.
My turn around is that this was such a clear voice, such a clear message,people believed in EvE and we were not alone. They cannot fail to have heard, and we can return to the values where "there is a place for everyone" "we are all valued" "we can reach for the stars together"
Welcome to EvE Yes i agree that they heard the people, power to the people! But don't let that cloud your view... just because they hear the people doesn't mean they care about the people. if what people are saying is true than CCP doesn't want to lose the player base but the wants to transform the game. Which is fine, it's there game if they want to change it's direction by all means do so. So what they're going to do if they're smart and yes they are smart. they're try and convert as many of the players as they can in the process of transforming the game. Make the transformation slow get people involved using 'live events' which will result in pvp and whatever else they can think of. All i know is that three of my accounts are going to get closed. This one i'll keep open so i can continue to post and well it is my supposed pvp account lol The good thing , no excellent thing is that this event has focused all the transformation ideas into a single burning supernova. There can be no drip like assimilation. There is no way players can be led by the nose into an EvE that has disregarded and disposed of it's values and beliefs. It either completely dispenses with a major part of it's customer base, or it reaffirms those values. A simple choice now for CCP and it's customers. I believe there are those who advised this course of action will now be held up in the full light of day, and asked to explain themselves. The response from CCP does not need to share their internal struggles, it needs to reaffirm their values. Then we can make our decision clearly and move forward, or never look back as the case shall be. we all have our opinions, some optimistic some pessimistic and others realistic. i see yours as optimistic and my as realistic but you might see mine as pessimistic and yours as realistic. Thats the thing with opinion, it's why we have dozens of different views on the event and what long term (if any)effects this event will have on customer confidence. You could be right or you would be blind. I could be right or over reacting. We'll just have to wait and see. You'll never change my opinion, i strongly think CCP intentionally did this and laughed the entire time. They don't care about the carebear, they care about the carebears money but if they've already worked out a way to run there business without it as suggested earlier in the thread than... things start to become clear.
I am optimistic in the sense, I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
The greatest disaster would have been if we had not been heard. Now there is no doubt, there is a simple single choice to be made by CCP and their customers, I hope that the road ahead can be clear and bright, but i' m bringing a parachute. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
108
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:36:00 -
[1141] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:You could be right or you would be blind. I could be right or over reacting.
Hey, rejoice, we got the blog!
Ah no wait, it's world news. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empires-led-capsuleer-assault-on-pirates-ends-in-failure/
Beyond opinions, there's facts. And from facts you can extract meaning, and sometimes a trend.
Quote:I strongly think CCP intentionally did this and laughed the entire time. They don't care about the carebear, they care about the carebears money but if they've already worked out a way to run there business without it as suggested earlier in the thread than... things start to become clear.
I must say I'm not very optimistic either. Yeah, we can discuss about values, but the game is changing and direction is quite clear: POCOs in hisec means small and one-man enterprises like mine will have a much harder time; The Ice changes already marked a change in prices and accessibility; T2 reaction materials and morphite are already a monopoly of nullsec blocs; Planetary interaction materials will be subject to player's whims as well, reducing profits greatly - if profit will be possible for non-aligned players.
I still don't think this was deliberate - though the thought has crossed my mind - but I do think the casual playstile is being actively opposed. Which is like telling the likes of me to go play something else ;) I understand that every company has a target market, so what can I say? Still waiting for the answers.
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:48:00 -
[1142] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:You could be right or you would be blind. I could be right or over reacting. Hey, rejoice, we got the blog! Ah no wait, it's world news. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empires-led-capsuleer-assault-on-pirates-ends-in-failure/Beyond opinions, there's facts. And from facts you can extract meaning, and sometimes a trend. Quote:I strongly think CCP intentionally did this and laughed the entire time. They don't care about the carebear, they care about the carebears money but if they've already worked out a way to run there business without it as suggested earlier in the thread than... things start to become clear. I must say I'm not very optimistic either. Yeah, we can discuss about values, but the game is changing and direction is quite clear: POCOs in hisec means small and one-man enterprises like mine will have a much harder time; The Ice changes already marked a change in prices and accessibility; T2 reaction materials and morphite are already a monopoly of nullsec blocs; Planetary interaction materials will be subject to player's whims as well, reducing profits greatly - if profit will be possible for non-aligned players. I still don't think this was deliberate - though the thought has crossed my mind - but I do think the casual playstile is being actively opposed. Which is like telling the likes of me to go play something else ;) I understand that every company has a target market, so what can I say? Still waiting for the answers.
i agree.
Although we differ on one thing, i do believe this was deliberate. i do however think that they had no idea that many people would show up or that it would become this large of an ordeal. I think they assumed a FAR smaller group of people would show. How else can you have a live event in a sandbox mmo with that level of screw up? just think about it. It had to have been to some degree deliberate. they can come out and say anything they want to and it's just going to be what they think we all want to hear. It's not going to be genuine it's going to be political.
It's about 4:45 in iceland now... still now blog. 6 days after the event. If it was unintentional we would have heard something by now. but they again didn't anticipate the number of people and the large out cry. but the event went as intended i believe.
I mean really? You honestly think they can take a group of pvp noobs (for the most part) into one of the most contested regions in eve and nothing was going to happen and that was a "mistake"? lets get real here... |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:49:00 -
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If you've not checked this article out yet it's worth a read as it mentions:
- now the live event situation last week.
CSM8 Status Report GÇô Week twenty-seven By Ripard Teg | Nov 13th 2013 4:06PM Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:07:00 -
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Quote:
I mean really? You honestly think they can take a group of pvp noobs (for the most part) into one of the most contested regions in eve and nothing was going to happen and that was a "mistake"? lets get real here...
No probably not.
However, we can be sure they were not sitting in front of the owner on Monday with him saying,
"Good work"
More like
Staff..."Well that went well .... Didn't it?" Owner.....Cue sounds of bloody viking carnage............
The fact this is taking a long time pretty well shows they are aware that it brought to the fore the core issues.
That particular Pandoras box is not going to be shut, unless they reaffirm their core values and assure us that they are on track.
Not going to be quick or easy.
But I believe, EvE will come out of this stronger if they are making the right choice now.
If they do we should give them every support to lead forward the game WE love. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1837

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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:12:00 -
[1145] - Quote
Quick update folks - devblog will be going out tomorrow. Sorry for the delay! CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:16:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Quote:
I mean really? You honestly think they can take a group of pvp noobs (for the most part) into one of the most contested regions in eve and nothing was going to happen and that was a "mistake"? lets get real here...
No probably not. However, we can be sure they were not sitting in front of the owner on Monday with him saying, "Good work" More like Staff..."Well that went well .... Didn't it?" Owner.....Cue sounds of bloody viking carnage............  The fact this is taking a long time pretty well shows they are aware that it brought to the fore the core issues. That particular Pandoras box is not going to be shut, unless they reaffirm their core values and assure us that they are on track. Not going to be quick or easy. But I believe, EvE will come out of this stronger if they are making the right choice now. If they do we should give them every support to lead forward the game WE love.
lol you have far more trust in strangers than i do my friend. words mean nothing, i for one will not be convinced of anything until i see action that results in changes.
But now they've delayed the blog yet another day.... |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:16:00 -
[1147] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick update folks - devblog will be going out tomorrow. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for keeping us in touch, I hope you are reading the forums and make sure they are reflected?
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:17:00 -
[1148] - Quote
Double post sorry. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
109
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:17:00 -
[1149] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:I mean really? You honestly think they can take a group of pvp noobs (for the most part) into one of the most contested regions in eve and nothing was going to happen and that was a "mistake"? lets get real here...
No don't get me wrong. I think they expected us to mount some kind of offensive and die. We expected this as well so why shouldn't they? The fact we died was probably expected on all sides of this - us, "them", and CCP.
I don't think they deliberately: - made it so that we died on course; - closed the event before most of us could get there; - made the entire storyline of it unknown to most.
They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
After that, the big mess is about them being unable or unwilling to comment aside from same untimely and precisely directed comments from CCP_Goliath; specifically - he commented this thread mentioning they'd "correct misunderstandings" (which they did not) and gave a big ego boost to a player who individually praised CCP - him, and no one else. The second round of comments started by commenting the second positive post; second and last I'd add. The very thoughtful and deep topic from Wedgetail, which no one in their sane mind could claim is tears, or attacks, hasn't been deigned of CCP attention. To be honest, I believe no attention at all would've been received better than some attention directed mostly at those few who sung outside the choir.
This, along with the general disdain towards "crying carebears" from some people, and the utter lack of action from either CCP or the Moderators, to keep things in line, made tempers flare.
What they've got now is TIDI. People are waiting for the oh-so-long-overdue blog (just checked, it's not there yet), but haven't dropped pitchforks yet. One thing's for sure - we won't get to know how many are angry, infuriated, or just annoyed. But CCP will. |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:32:00 -
[1150] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:I mean really? You honestly think they can take a group of pvp noobs (for the most part) into one of the most contested regions in eve and nothing was going to happen and that was a "mistake"? lets get real here... No don't get me wrong. I think they expected us to mount some kind of offensive and die. We expected this as well so why shouldn't they? The fact we died was probably expected on all sides of this - us, "them", and CCP. I don't think they deliberately: - made it so that we died on course; - closed the event before most of us could get there; - made the entire storyline of it unknown to most. They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
Yes they deliberately ran everybody into a kill zone. they can check the loads and numbers in a system before jumping into them and diverted the group to a different course or planned a little better assault but didn't. I believe the objective was to get into some pvp but make it through (my assumption) but failed in several ways. So yes i agree with you.
But you only reinforced my point which was it was deliberate. But don't get me wrong, everybody knew that there was going to be some pvp. Just nobody expected CCP to just let everybody down with it's pathetic attempt at an event.
Hasn't there been other times they crapped on carebears? like the poco that's coming out. i mean as if we didn't already have enough reasons to declare war in highsec. I mean it's all about driving out the non-pvp players.
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
157
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:57:00 -
[1151] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Quick update folks - devblog will be going out tomorrow. Sorry for the delay!
Looking forward to seeing what CCP has to say about this.
Although as a game master myself, I am shocked that you didn't have multiple blogs ready go covering the whole range of possible event outcomes. Take blog closest to how things actually turned out, tweak it and add details, and publish it within hours of the event ending. The basic game master technic of being prepared for all outcomes would have made this entire thing much better for you. |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
59
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:05:00 -
[1152] - Quote
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick update folks - devblog will be going out tomorrow. Sorry for the delay! Looking forward to seeing what CCP has to say about this. Although as a game master myself, I am shocked that you didn't have multiple blogs ready go covering the whole range of possible event outcomes. Take blog closest to how things actually turned out, tweak it and add details, and publish it within hours of the event ending. The basic game master technic of being prepared for all outcomes would have made this entire thing much better for you. I'm sure they had, they just didn't have any prepared for a buck up of this magnitude. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
109
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:07:00 -
[1153] - Quote
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Although as a game master myself, I am shocked that you didn't have multiple blogs ready go covering the whole range of possible event outcomes. Take blog closest to how things actually turned out, tweak it and add details, and publish it within hours of the event ending. The basic game master technic of being prepared for all outcomes would have made this entire thing much better for you.
I reckon they did not even consider it could be such an utter black hole of failure ;)
Quote:Yes they deliberately ran everybody into a kill zone. they can check the loads and numbers in a system before jumping into them and diverted the group to a different course or planned a little better assault but didn't. I believe the objective was to get into some pvp but make it through (my assumption) but failed in several ways. So yes i agree with you.
Well, traveling straight into one of the best known (according to wedgetail) chokes in eve shows either willingness or monumental stupidity....
Quote:But you only reinforced my point which was it was deliberate.
Care to explain which part? Bringing us into a killzone must've been, most likely, deliberate. But to lose people en route and fail to direct and close the event while most didn't experience it? You think those were?
Quote:Hasn't there been other times they crapped on carebears? like the poco that's coming out. i mean as if we didn't already have enough reasons to declare war in highsec. I mean it's all about driving out the non-pvp players.
Yeah, I don't like it in the least either. But what do I know. Next week we'll face it. |

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
248
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:11:00 -
[1154] - Quote
Killerjock wrote:They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
As I stated several pages back: The only "failure" on CCP's part was the execution of the mass gank of carebears.
Take note: CCP was able to craft and post a fictional "news report" about what happened before they were able to explain what actually happened.
I'll stick to my guns here. CCP knew exactly what was going on, they just messed up on the delivery of carebears into null-sec hands. Any of the null-sec cartels could have organized a more effective slaughter.
As for the words being spoken at the office after the event, mentioned a few posts above? I'm pretty sure the words were more of the same you've seen in this thread. "******* carebears are so stupid!" "Moar tears!" and so on.
Also, I'm not buying the whole "carebears/casuals are the majority of players" either. Everyone knows what an "empire alt" is. This "majority" of players that people fantasize about are likely filled, in large part, by alts of null-sec players who need an isk source for their PvP.
The only way to make CCP hurt for this event would be for the casuals and carebears to unsub a lot sooner than CCP expects. if they want to ditch high-sec completely, which I suspect is the plan, they need to bleed carebears slowly so they don't get a financial shock. Thus financial shock is the only way to show them where they are wrong. Even so, they will hold to their attitude and opinions of "stupid carebears" no matter what the cost, even if it's their own jobs.
Profit favors the prepared |

Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
157
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:14:00 -
[1155] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Quick update folks - devblog will be going out tomorrow. Sorry for the delay! Looking forward to seeing what CCP has to say about this. Although as a game master myself, I am shocked that you didn't have multiple blogs ready go covering the whole range of possible event outcomes. Take blog closest to how things actually turned out, tweak it and add details, and publish it within hours of the event ending. The basic game master technic of being prepared for all outcomes would have made this entire thing much better for you. I'm sure they had, they just didn't have any prepared for a buck up of this magnitude.
Just releasing the RP blog to explain what happened and the result with a note that a dev blog on the technical and actor failures would be forthcoming shortly would have been better the way it was handled. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
37
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:17:00 -
[1156] - Quote
I think the best part of this thread is that it functions as a nice, compact resource for identifying people who take this game way too seriously. Lots of optimal gank targets, up in here. Tears guaranteed.
A live event went sideways. Big. *******. Deal. Most of you are acting like they touched you in your no-no zone. |

Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
158
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:23:00 -
[1157] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:I think the best part of this thread is that it functions as a nice, compact resource for identifying people who take this game way too seriously. Lots of optimal gank targets, up in here. Tears guaranteed.
A live event went sideways. Big. *******. Deal. Most of you are acting like they touched you in your no-no zone.
Some people care about different parts of the game than I do, that makes them stupid. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:28:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:Killerjock wrote:They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
As I stated several pages back: The only "failure" on CCP's part was the execution of the mass gank of carebears. Take note: CCP was able to craft and post a fictional "news report" about what happened before they were able to explain what actually happened. I'll stick to my guns here. CCP knew exactly what was going on, they just messed up on the delivery of carebears into null-sec hands. Any of the null-sec cartels could have organized a more effective slaughter. As for the words being spoken at the office after the event, mentioned a few posts above? I'm pretty sure the words were more of the same you've seen in this thread. "******* carebears are so stupid!" "Moar tears!" and so on. Also, I'm not buying the whole "carebears/casuals are the majority of players" either. Everyone knows what an "empire alt" is. This "majority" of players that people fantasize about are likely filled, in large part, by alts of null-sec players who need an isk source for their PvP. The only way to make CCP hurt for this event would be for the casuals and carebears to unsub a lot sooner than CCP expects. if they want to ditch high-sec completely, which I suspect is the plan, they need to bleed carebears slowly so they don't get a financial shock. Thus financial shock is the only way to show them where they are wrong. Even so, they will hold to their attitude and opinions of "stupid carebears" no matter what the cost, even if it's their own jobs.
Whilst it may be possible to believe that some dev's have been persuaded to believe this crazed anti carebear propaganda,and have got away with it for a while, I find it really hard to believe it spreads up to the head of the company. That sort of suicidal tendancy and contempt for it's customers would have not let this company live as long as it has.
I don't want to think of just what is happening in the offices at the moment, and we are unlikely ever to know and that is how it should be. CCP is not a democracy where we have the right to call people to account.
All I personally want is for CCP to reassure the playerbase that they are all valued customers, and their values stand unchanged.
I hope, and wait expectantly, to be reassured. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:47:00 -
[1159] - Quote
Evei Shard wrote:Killerjock wrote:They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
As I stated several pages back: The only "failure" on CCP's part was the execution of the mass gank of carebears. Take note: CCP was able to craft and post a fictional "news report" about what happened before they were able to explain what actually happened. I'll stick to my guns here. CCP knew exactly what was going on, they just messed up on the delivery of carebears into null-sec hands. Any of the null-sec cartels could have organized a more effective slaughter. As for the words being spoken at the office after the event, mentioned a few posts above? I'm pretty sure the words were more of the same you've seen in this thread. "******* carebears are so stupid!" "Moar tears!" and so on. Also, I'm not buying the whole "carebears/casuals are the majority of players" either. Everyone knows what an "empire alt" is. This "majority" of players that people fantasize about are likely filled, in large part, by alts of null-sec players who need an isk source for their PvP. The only way to make CCP hurt for this event would be for the casuals and carebears to unsub a lot sooner than CCP expects. if they want to ditch high-sec completely, which I suspect is the plan, they need to bleed carebears slowly so they don't get a financial shock. Thus financial shock is the only way to show them where they are wrong. Even so, they will hold to their attitude and opinions of "stupid carebears" no matter what the cost, even if it's their own jobs.
You know Evei you mentioned something that had honestly slipped my mind. Many of the toons running around in high sec are actually alts of more pvp centric players.
I agree with everything you said and believe you are right on target. as for some people who think that CCP would never change the game... trust me they can and will. I've been in meetings where the CEO was convinced that a company direction change (entertainment company NOT CCP of course) would result in short term loss but long term gain. So don't think for one minute that your account matters, they are looking at a grander picture with a very specific direction. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:52:00 -
[1160] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Killerjock wrote:They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
As I stated several pages back: The only "failure" on CCP's part was the execution of the mass gank of carebears. Take note: CCP was able to craft and post a fictional "news report" about what happened before they were able to explain what actually happened. I'll stick to my guns here. CCP knew exactly what was going on, they just messed up on the delivery of carebears into null-sec hands. Any of the null-sec cartels could have organized a more effective slaughter. As for the words being spoken at the office after the event, mentioned a few posts above? I'm pretty sure the words were more of the same you've seen in this thread. "******* carebears are so stupid!" "Moar tears!" and so on. Also, I'm not buying the whole "carebears/casuals are the majority of players" either. Everyone knows what an "empire alt" is. This "majority" of players that people fantasize about are likely filled, in large part, by alts of null-sec players who need an isk source for their PvP. The only way to make CCP hurt for this event would be for the casuals and carebears to unsub a lot sooner than CCP expects. if they want to ditch high-sec completely, which I suspect is the plan, they need to bleed carebears slowly so they don't get a financial shock. Thus financial shock is the only way to show them where they are wrong. Even so, they will hold to their attitude and opinions of "stupid carebears" no matter what the cost, even if it's their own jobs. You know Evei you mentioned something that had honestly slipped my mind. Many of the toons running around in high sec are actually alts of more pvp centric players. I agree with everything you said and believe you are right on target. as for some people who think that CCP would never change the game... trust me they can and will. I've been in meetings where the CEO was convinced that a company direction change would result in short term loss but long term gain. So don't think for one minute that your account matters, they are looking at a grander picture with a very specific direction.
Oh naturally they are a business, but after this they can no longer believe that people will meekly follow them into their own destruction.
They have a very clear business decision, is this EvE or Goonswarm vs Test online. Theres room for them too, but if that is how they decide then...... We have a clear choice too. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:55:00 -
[1161] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Killerjock wrote:They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
As I stated several pages back: The only "failure" on CCP's part was the execution of the mass gank of carebears. Take note: CCP was able to craft and post a fictional "news report" about what happened before they were able to explain what actually happened. I'll stick to my guns here. CCP knew exactly what was going on, they just messed up on the delivery of carebears into null-sec hands. Any of the null-sec cartels could have organized a more effective slaughter. As for the words being spoken at the office after the event, mentioned a few posts above? I'm pretty sure the words were more of the same you've seen in this thread. "******* carebears are so stupid!" "Moar tears!" and so on. Also, I'm not buying the whole "carebears/casuals are the majority of players" either. Everyone knows what an "empire alt" is. This "majority" of players that people fantasize about are likely filled, in large part, by alts of null-sec players who need an isk source for their PvP. The only way to make CCP hurt for this event would be for the casuals and carebears to unsub a lot sooner than CCP expects. if they want to ditch high-sec completely, which I suspect is the plan, they need to bleed carebears slowly so they don't get a financial shock. Thus financial shock is the only way to show them where they are wrong. Even so, they will hold to their attitude and opinions of "stupid carebears" no matter what the cost, even if it's their own jobs. You know Evei you mentioned something that had honestly slipped my mind. Many of the toons running around in high sec are actually alts of more pvp centric players. I agree with everything you said and believe you are right on target. as for some people who think that CCP would never change the game... trust me they can and will. I've been in meetings where the CEO was convinced that a company direction change would result in short term loss but long term gain. So don't think for one minute that your account matters, they are looking at a grander picture with a very specific direction. Oh naturally they are a business, but after this they can no longer believe that people will meekly follow them into their own destruction. They have a very clear business decision, is this EvE or Goonswarm vs Test online. We have a clear choice too.
We do and i'm sure we'll have to make a choice at some point. I mean if they are planning on slowly weeding out highsec players than there choice has already been made. It's a matter of execution, naturally they'd want to keep as many as they can but have accepted the idea of losing a number of players.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:01:00 -
[1162] - Quote
Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Optimus Junkis wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Killerjock wrote:They realized on the spot that they had no meaning to communicate effectively, so started using twitter as it's "one-way" - they published and anyone could read; only we could not be sure, the reports piled up, in-game chat flourished.... They realized quite fast they lost most of the people en route; yet they couldn't figure out how to fix it. When the wrecks started piling up they closed the event to avoid further mess.... only they communicated it in the same way and we didn't realize it till later.
As I stated several pages back: The only "failure" on CCP's part was the execution of the mass gank of carebears. Take note: CCP was able to craft and post a fictional "news report" about what happened before they were able to explain what actually happened. I'll stick to my guns here. CCP knew exactly what was going on, they just messed up on the delivery of carebears into null-sec hands. Any of the null-sec cartels could have organized a more effective slaughter. As for the words being spoken at the office after the event, mentioned a few posts above? I'm pretty sure the words were more of the same you've seen in this thread. "******* carebears are so stupid!" "Moar tears!" and so on. Also, I'm not buying the whole "carebears/casuals are the majority of players" either. Everyone knows what an "empire alt" is. This "majority" of players that people fantasize about are likely filled, in large part, by alts of null-sec players who need an isk source for their PvP. The only way to make CCP hurt for this event would be for the casuals and carebears to unsub a lot sooner than CCP expects. if they want to ditch high-sec completely, which I suspect is the plan, they need to bleed carebears slowly so they don't get a financial shock. Thus financial shock is the only way to show them where they are wrong. Even so, they will hold to their attitude and opinions of "stupid carebears" no matter what the cost, even if it's their own jobs. You know Evei you mentioned something that had honestly slipped my mind. Many of the toons running around in high sec are actually alts of more pvp centric players. I agree with everything you said and believe you are right on target. as for some people who think that CCP would never change the game... trust me they can and will. I've been in meetings where the CEO was convinced that a company direction change would result in short term loss but long term gain. So don't think for one minute that your account matters, they are looking at a grander picture with a very specific direction. Oh naturally they are a business, but after this they can no longer believe that people will meekly follow them into their own destruction. They have a very clear business decision, is this EvE or Goonswarm vs Test online. We have a clear choice too. We do and i'm sure we'll have to make a choice at some point. I mean if they are planning on slowly weeding out highsec players than there choice has already been made. It's a matter of execution, naturally they'd want to keep as many as they can but have accepted the idea of losing a number of players. Lets wait, it is easy to prejudge the result, remember this propaganda has been building for a while, we DO NOT know that CCP believe it. It is easy to say that CCP hates carebears.. It is easy for them to say the Blocks are the real EvE and spend all the money..it is easy for them to infiltrate and command the feedback that CCP recieves. It is also easy for them to say there are only alts in hisec.
They say it often enough that we begin to believe it and repeat it as if it is true.
CCP must now realise it is a lie, people who are not meant to exist have responded with fury. We are not organised, so are normally not heard. I truly hope that we have been heard now. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:06:00 -
[1163] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote: Lets wait, it is easy to prejudge the result, remember this propaganda has been building for a while, we DO NOT know that CCP believe it. It is easy to say that CCP hates carebears.. It is easy for them to say the Blocks are the real EvE and spend all the money..it is easy for them to infiltrate and command the feedback that CCP recieves. It is also easy for them to say there are only alts in hisec.
They say it often enough that we begin to believe it and repeat it as if it is true.
CCP must now realise it is a lie, people who are not meant to exist have responded with fury. We are not organised, so are normally not heard. I truly hope that we have been heard now.
Yes it is easy to buy into words, but actions are something different. I'm not basing my opinion on just words alone CCP has done a lot of things that speak to there intentions. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
330
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:18:00 -
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Optimus Junkis wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: Lets wait, it is easy to prejudge the result, remember this propaganda has been building for a while, we DO NOT know that CCP believe it. It is easy to say that CCP hates carebears.. It is easy for them to say the Blocks are the real EvE and spend all the money..it is easy for them to infiltrate and command the feedback that CCP recieves. It is also easy for them to say there are only alts in hisec.
They say it often enough that we begin to believe it and repeat it as if it is true.
CCP must now realise it is a lie, people who are not meant to exist have responded with fury. We are not organised, so are normally not heard. I truly hope that we have been heard now.
Yes it is easy to buy into words, but actions are something different. I'm not basing my opinion on just words alone CCP has done a lot of things that speak to there intentions.
Well let's see their actions will be clear shortly, either issues will be dealt with or they will not, not a lot of ambiguity here.
If they take it to heart and ensure EvE is true to it's true values then we can move forward together. If they change values to alienate their player base and everything they have stood for then it is a different matter.
No point pre judging it. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
522
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:33:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Octoven wrote:Did they actually say they would release a dev blog and not just a news article? Hi! Yeah the news is not the statement I promised  That's just something we tend to do post-event as a matter of course. Blog should be coming this afternoon. Such a pity the news report got it completely wrong. The Capsuleers were not 'unable to defeat the Serpentis' in 8V. You never even gave us a chance to get fleets there, you declared the event over well before the fleets actually made it because of all the TiDi. I can't respond IC to this event because it was such an OOC mess. I literally can't, I can see no way to RP this event through that's not immersion breaking because of your failures.
Yes, the lore will move on, win or loose Ghost sites were going to happen, this isn't actually a massive lore changing event on the scale of things, but it's still a massive OOC mess & now a false news report that is editing history. Is the next blog going to be more of the same, more falsehoods except OOC this time? |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
38
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:17:00 -
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Rekkr Nordgard wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:I think the best part of this thread is that it functions as a nice, compact resource for identifying people who take this game way too seriously. Lots of optimal gank targets, up in here. Tears guaranteed.
A live event went sideways. Big. *******. Deal. Most of you are acting like they touched you in your no-no zone. Some people care about different parts of the game than I do, that makes them stupid.
It's not that they care, it's the degree to which they care, and the utter lack of perspective inherent in caring to that degree.
Throwing a week long tantrum (WHAR RESPONSE CCP, WHAR?!?1?) over a minor event mishap not only makes you stupid, it makes you an infant.
It's not ******* Benghazi - some internet spaceships got blown up. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
523
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:29:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:I think the best part of this thread is that it functions as a nice, compact resource for identifying people who take this game way too seriously. Lots of optimal gank targets, up in here. Tears guaranteed.
A live event went sideways. Big. *******. Deal. Most of you are acting like they touched you in your no-no zone. Some people care about different parts of the game than I do, that makes them stupid. It's not that they care, it's the degree to which they care. Throwing a week long tantrum over a minor event mishap not only makes you stupid, it makes you an infant. It's not ******* Benghazi - some internet spaceships got blown up.
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major. Thousands of people got left unable to take part simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to wait a bit longer. It's nothing to do with spaceships getting blown up. Several of the fleets deliberately whelped after the Event was over since people expected to loose their ships and wanted to do something at the end of it all. It's to do with CCP's chronic mishandling of the event planning & terrible representation of the lore.
Further compounded now by CCP retconning history to record that 'capsuleers failed' rather than 'they never had a chance to get there in the first place' |

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
304
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:33:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It's not that they care, it's the degree to which they care.
Throwing a week long tantrum over a minor event mishap not only makes you stupid, it makes you an infant.
It's not ******* Benghazi - some internet spaceships got blown up.
It's not about the spaceships lost, that is already estabilished (especially as quite some folks even deliberatly flew into the gatecamps, to fight & die)
It's about the Live Event itself being crappy. Live events are normally about lorebuilding, large events that are announced like this usually either create alot of lore, or change an important aspect. Examples of this in the past are the Nation Live Events, and the Battle for Caldari Prime. But this event hardly saw any life from the Event actors themselves.
The outrage about it is because people care about it. Not about the lore as a whole, but to be part of that lorebuilding. To be part of something greater then just *kills & isk* Aurora Arcology Project: Over 15.000 new arrivals! Latest Top Newsfeed: Capsuleers Respond to Call to Arms, Navies fail to support! |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
38
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:35:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major.
No, it was minor. You think it was major because you have a child's sense of perspective.
Quote:Thousands of people got left unable to take part simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to wait a bit longer.
So what? Is it vitally important to the future of Eve that everyone gets to participate in every event?
Furthermore, you understand that, "Not everyone was able to participate," is a complaint that is in direct conflict with, "abloobloobloo, Tidi boohoo," which has been one of the more common whines?
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:47:00 -
[1170] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major.
No, it was minor. You think it was major because you have a child's sense of perspective.
what would you consider a major thing in game? |
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
250
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:47:00 -
[1171] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major.
No, it was minor. You think it was major because you have a child's sense of perspective. Quote:Thousands of people got left unable to take part simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to wait a bit longer. So what? Is it vitally important to the future of Eve that everyone gets to participate in every event? Furthermore, you understand that, "Not everyone was able to participate," is a complaint that is in direct conflict with, "abloobloobloo, Tidi boohoo," which has been one of the more common whines?
Condescending, insulting, ad hominmen.... anything else you want to use besides rational discussion?
Profit favors the prepared |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
963
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:00:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
-Trolling Comment-
Condescending, insulting, ad hominmen.... anything else you want to use besides rational discussion?
Please don't feed the trolls. Some people refuse to read what has and is being posted in plain and clear English and instead jump on the "trolling bandwagon" but haven't realised that they are 6 days too late and that the other trolls left because this discussion would not lower itself to their comments.
I'm sure ISD will be along very shortly to clear them out and remove any trolling comments thus bringing the thread back to the mature and engaging discussion it was before. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
863
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:30:00 -
[1173] - Quote
lemmings ... |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
335
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:57:00 -
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Now all that unpleasantness is out of the way,lets move on ISD will do their job in the morning and tidy things up.
lets assume that we get a good response tomorrow and continue our discussion on that basis.
There were some good suggestions that got buried in the flood, so I'd like to bring one up for discussion. sorry to the original author, I thought it was great, but I couldn't find the original. sorry.
One idea related to a Titan crashing into a planet, and a great disaster occurring. the idea suggested making a POPup mission around it where agents issued a choice of missions.this can last for a period. These could relate to PI mining Manufacturing, Hauling, couriering, medical aid, missioning to retrieve needed materials, Exploring for lost treasures and victims etc etc. Maybe retrieving lost components from factional warfare sites to enable a PvP aspect.
All to enable the rescue efforts and rebuilding the planet.
Instead of simply doing meaningless grinds in pi/mining/industry we can make a difference.
These efforts can instead go into the rescue effort and we can see the rebirth of a Planet. There will be a role for everyone here. There is a role for PvP and PvE events, but an idea to step outside that box. And we will then feel when we are there next time. yeah I did something good that week.
Worth building on? any other good ideas we can offer? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
965
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:06:00 -
[1175] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Now all that unpleasantness is out of the way,lets move on ISD will do their job in the morning and tidy things up.
lets assume that we get a good response tomorrow and continue our discussion on that basis.
There were some good suggestions that got buried in the flood, so I'd like to bring one up for discussion. sorry to the original author, I thought it was great, but I couldn't find the original. sorry.
One idea related to a Titan crashing into a planet, and a great disaster occurring. the idea suggested making a POPup mission around it where agents issued a choice of missions.this can last for a period. These could relate to PI mining Manufacturing, Hauling, couriering, medical aid, missioning to retrieve needed materials, Exploring for lost treasures and victims etc etc. Maybe retrieving lost components from factional warfare sites to enable a PvP aspect.
All to enable the rescue efforts and rebuilding the planet.
Instead of simply doing meaningless grinds in pi/mining/industry we can make a difference.
These efforts can instead go into the rescue effort and we can see the rebirth of a Planet. There will be a role for everyone here. There is a role for PvP and PvE events, but an idea to step outside that box. And we will then feel when we are there next time. yeah I did something good that week.
Worth building on? any other good ideas we can offer?
I see where you want to go and with the best of intentions but I don't think this is the right time to be going there. A new thread in F&I or after this has been completely clarified\resolved would be a better time and place as I don't want to see this thread go off-topic and then ISD to lock it for that reason. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
965
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:12:00 -
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@OP: While you may have opened this thread for discussion (and it has certainly had that) I am curious as to why the change in thread title as it now appears we all have commented on something under a different subject. While I fully agree that this long overdue I find changing the title to be somewhat less than constructive and slightly antagonistic, something that could've been represented in a post in the same thread.
People following links with the original title as the link text may well think they have been duped into going somewhere they did not want to read and I'm surprised that EVE-O Forums allows the title to be edited after the first post has been posted by someone other than the OP.
Just an observation and my opinion. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
335
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:20:00 -
[1177] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Now all that unpleasantness is out of the way,lets move on ISD will do their job in the morning and tidy things up.
lets assume that we get a good response tomorrow and continue our discussion on that basis.
There were some good suggestions that got buried in the flood, so I'd like to bring one up for discussion. sorry to the original author, I thought it was great, but I couldn't find the original. sorry.
One idea related to a Titan crashing into a planet, and a great disaster occurring. the idea suggested making a POPup mission around it where agents issued a choice of missions.this can last for a period. These could relate to PI mining Manufacturing, Hauling, couriering, medical aid, missioning to retrieve needed materials, Exploring for lost treasures and victims etc etc. Maybe retrieving lost components from factional warfare sites to enable a PvP aspect.
All to enable the rescue efforts and rebuilding the planet.
Instead of simply doing meaningless grinds in pi/mining/industry we can make a difference.
These efforts can instead go into the rescue effort and we can see the rebirth of a Planet. There will be a role for everyone here. There is a role for PvP and PvE events, but an idea to step outside that box. And we will then feel when we are there next time. yeah I did something good that week.
Worth building on? any other good ideas we can offer? I see where you want to go and with the best of intentions but I don't think this is the right time to be going there. A new thread in F&I or after this has been completely clarified\resolved would be a better time and place as I don't want to see this thread go off-topic and then ISD to lock it for that reason.
Oh, I thought it would be a good smaller scale live event just for a short period? I didn't mean it to be a new game feature.Just a few smaller live events than one Big one that was vulnerable to difficulties. But fair enough, I can see your point that it is probably best to hold thoughts for new improvements to live events until after the Official response.
Regarding other point, Yes changing the Original title is not such a good idea. didn't notice it had changed. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
19
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:31:00 -
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Care Bear Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears.
Sounds more like dullbears than most highsec players I know, especially blue donut 'We're elite' only ever fight with extreme numbers on their side, Dullbears whos entire 'PvP' career has pages of static objects which dont fire back on their kb.
Oddly, everyone that jumped into Doril went knowingly into lowsec and 0.0 (read as PvP) area, some even knowing full well there was a camp the other side but felt they should try their luck anyway, whereas the same cannot be said for other parties who would have ran like little girls had they thought it was an organized fleet coming.
So please, do try and use the correct terminology if you persist in using 'derogatory' names.
Also there are ways to make out of game comms one way, we all know evespeak sux nuts. |

Cornwalace
Den Industrial Partners Dissonant Harmonics
6
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Posted - 2013.11.14 03:38:00 -
[1179] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax).
I had suggested in an earlier comment, that you allow (a certain trusted few) of us players, access to some of the tools. I do not wish to make assumptions as to what the capabilities are with the tools, but, with responsible limitations as to how we can use the tools, I know we can help, if not enhance the live events that you plan for the future.
Quite simply, what I had suggested earlier, was that I understand that the theme of Eve is to focus more on the sandbox nature. The suggestion was/is to give the (responsible) players some of the tools to do so. I can guarantee that many volunteers will come to the plate to enhance our game (without getting paid). I hope this is taken into consideration. Thank you, CCP Goliath, for taking the time with going through all of this. |

Constantin Baracca
236
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Posted - 2013.11.14 04:30:00 -
[1180] - Quote
Cornwalace wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). I had suggested in an earlier comment, that you allow (a certain trusted few) of us players, access to some of the tools. I do not wish to make assumptions as to what the capabilities are with the tools, but, with responsible limitations as to how we can use the tools, I know we can help, if not enhance the live events that you plan for the future. Quite simply, what I had suggested earlier, was that I understand that the theme of Eve is to focus more on the sandbox nature. The suggestion was/is to give the (responsible) players some of the tools to do so. I can guarantee that many volunteers will come to the plate to enhance our game (without getting paid). I hope this is taken into consideration. Thank you, CCP Goliath, for taking the time with going through all of this.
Quick question, why is NPC spawning so costly to the server and unpredictable? I would have thought that would be a pretty simple trigger script and that actually running the AI scripts would be the demanding part. I'm sure it could trigger reinforcements based on how many NPCs are active in the system at the time. I thought that was how they triggered in a cosmic anomaly.
If running the NPCs are actually the demanding part and they're killing the system's resources, I don't think you should try running a massive NPC-target event until the appropriation is better handled. Can you set up a sort of wormhole space that runs on a different blade? "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1325
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Posted - 2013.11.14 04:44:00 -
[1181] - Quote
Constantin Baracca wrote:Cornwalace wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Minmatar Assassin wrote:As me being Angel Cartel loyalist for 6 years, am glad we can get a rare RP action around first Jovie region. I heard about tidi and half of people dieng on the way to event. Anyway i would like to give some ideas about how i would organise event like that. To enter RMOC system would be posibble only being in one of 2 fleets, one fleet for pirates, another fleet for empire guys. Pirate fleet must defend Angel base, empire fleet kill it. Keep simple as possible. If bad balance, GMs can create a 100 machariel npc spawn into grid. Or 'Surprise Surprise' Republic fleet hot drop. Here so many variations to control event, just need to keep funk on.  Thanks for reading, MA. Indeed so many tools, Titan bridging, gagging comms, spawning reinforcements etc etc etc and yet, nothing was used. CCP basically took a giant dump on the poor nullsec noobs while enjoying their office party. But hay you gotta have your priorities straight haha  I am eagerly awaiting this dev post. dis gon b gud You're making a lot of assumptions on the tools there. For example, NPC spawning at the moment is 1. very costly at server level, 2. notoriously unpredictable. Not something we would be happy to use in an event right now. If it was an option, we'd have done it. Locking systems down in the ways that have been described is also not something we can just do at a whim (we can lock them, but we can't allow select people in based on what fleet they're in without dirty hax). I had suggested in an earlier comment, that you allow (a certain trusted few) of us players, access to some of the tools. I do not wish to make assumptions as to what the capabilities are with the tools, but, with responsible limitations as to how we can use the tools, I know we can help, if not enhance the live events that you plan for the future. Quite simply, what I had suggested earlier, was that I understand that the theme of Eve is to focus more on the sandbox nature. The suggestion was/is to give the (responsible) players some of the tools to do so. I can guarantee that many volunteers will come to the plate to enhance our game (without getting paid). I hope this is taken into consideration. Thank you, CCP Goliath, for taking the time with going through all of this. Quick question, why is NPC spawning so costly to the server and unpredictable? I would have thought that would be a pretty simple trigger script and that actually running the AI scripts would be the demanding part. I'm sure it could trigger reinforcements based on how many NPCs are active in the system at the time. I thought that was how they triggered in a cosmic anomaly. If running the NPCs are actually the demanding part and they're killing the system's resources, I don't think you should try running a massive NPC-target event until the appropriation is better handled. Can you set up a sort of wormhole space that runs on a different blade? NPC behaviour and AI has to all be handled server-side, and most selection algorithms I've seen scale poorly as the number of available targets goes up. Realistically you'd want them to do a standings-lookup to check who's friendly with who, but even tracking something like biggest-healer or most-dps or the like tends to be an O(n^2) operation, or at least O(n logn). In other words, every additional player on-grid with the NPC creates an exponential or near-exponential load increase. Given that the AI behaviour is only runningon one thread while the server's handling everything else, and given the results we saw from tidi and the like... spawning NPCs for combats that can involve thousands simply isn't viable.
Just a guess, of course. Maybe it's all running on a static grid instead with near-constant lookup! I doubt that, but I think this is what's going on.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
167
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Posted - 2013.11.14 05:55:00 -
[1182] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major.
No, it was minor. You think it was major because you have a child's sense of perspective. Quote:Thousands of people got left unable to take part simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to wait a bit longer. So what? Is it vitally important to the future of Eve that everyone gets to participate in every event? Furthermore, you understand that, "Not everyone was able to participate," is a complaint that is in direct conflict with, "abloobloobloo, Tidi boohoo," which has been one of the more common whines?
You sir are Trolling, away with you!
A GENERAL point, do not accept the term carebear being applied to you if you went there with the intention of losing your ship, any troll that comes out with their pathetic tear routine should be reminded that a carebear is people who do not do anything to lose their ships, this cannot be said of those that participated in this event. In fact that so many hisec people got involved is a big middle finger to null sec! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

CERA Elitist
Temporal Guard
5
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:12:00 -
[1183] - Quote
Pathetic. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
111
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:39:00 -
[1184] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Realistically you'd want them to do a standings-lookup to check who's friendly with who, but even tracking something like biggest-healer or most-dps or the like tends to be an O(n^2) operation, or at least O(n logn).
You're assuming the NPCs on grid are doing a linear or dichotomic search on all present comparing DPS and healing, but that's not necessary - threat tables are an old concept in games and provide with a O(n) or even O(1) access depending on the implementation, while giving a O(n) increase in time spent when generating threat - granted it increases the memory footprint, but it allows for threat management as well (that NPC favors healer-threat over DPS threat, that other one the other way around; this "ability" generates more threat, the other doesn't at all...). O(n*2) is still a lot better than O(n^2) :P
Quote:Given that the AI behaviour is only runningon one thread while the server's handling everything else, and given the results we saw from tidi and the like... spawning NPCs for combats that can involve thousands simply isn't viable.
Is this confirmed information are you assuming?
Quote:Just a guess, of course. Maybe it's all running on a static grid instead with near-constant lookup! I doubt that, but I think this is what's going on.
I can understand that spawning new NPC can be costly - as you need to create instances, update action lists, occupy space thus ensure it's unoccupied (I've found this to be a challenge in my dev, tho there are strategies), send updates to all clients... If I'm allowed a wild guess, I'd say it's the act of spawning them that tends to be the problem more than the act of "acting" them - if you think about it, with 20-25 missioners in a system you're already probably approaching a 1000 NPCs or more; but they don't all spawn at the same time. But of course, your guess is as valid as mine. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1325
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Posted - 2013.11.14 08:28:00 -
[1185] - Quote
Assumptions based on dev statements regarding the difficulty of getting NPCs for live events. Spawning would be a big challenge, certainly, but i can see target selecton being much more difficult than doing a simple table lookup and update cycle. Missions are 1-5 players with 10-30 npc's on grid; arranging the targets by priority queue or something is enough for that. I can't see that reasonably scaling up to 1000 npc's and 300 players on-grid. That sounds like the npc's alpha-striking one hapless player after another. I imagine that they would be forced to deeply change behaviour at that scale.
Again, just guesses - I'm not sure! Seems reasonable to me though. |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
282
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:13:00 -
[1186] - Quote
I doubt AI operates on algos so inefficient that simply finding a target per each rat scales THAT poorly with number of targets. Incursion rats and Sleepers come to mind. Although, to be frank, the AI is reportedly really old so it wouldn't surprise me to see a n^2 or worse target seek. It'd kind of be like inviting people to come and cause server trouble by stacking 300 people into an anomaly to see what happens.
(Hm, if we were to assume they did program them to run say, sorts basing on damage dealt and then picking highest with sort working best for small n then I'd see the case. That said, I don't think they'd go that far given incursion AI is also coded to work wtih null and low incursions - and those might by design require more manpower than hisec ones. Those things said, given the recent preference of rats to go after "similarily" sized targets it may be some sort of sort-by-signature with range select per rat, weighted to include things like reps or ewar rather than simple threat system of most-dps-on-field.)
Navigation sounds like a potential issue though - even though collisions are simplified (boundary spheres) in EVE, AI would probably need to generate at least a simple navmesh to avoid bouncing off objects. Given plexes/missions are always pre-scripted and always contain collidables in the same space, nav data may actually not be generated when rats spawn but simply loaded from an earlier dump.
In case of spawning mass amount of rats on the battlefield with an unmapped structure? It could get funky. Ah well, I guess CCP should release a Devblog on the "why" of spawning things this way! You've awakened our inner nerdbeast Goliath, now feed it or else you shall suffer endless wrath. Or, if you're nowhere to be found to suffer endless wrath we'll go punch some kittens! I'm an evil null cartel pilot that eats babies and washes them down with tears so you know I mean business.
Alright so if we're going for the definition, the term 'carebear' in EVE was applied as derogatory to people that believed they could detach themselves from non-consensual PvP. Mind you, this isn't about the lack of pvp or blow-stuff-up in general - it described the type of player that believes he's going to go pvp "when he's ready" (all skills at 5 + superawesome ship, preferably a goddamned titan or something equally ludicrously expensive of course) and until then he should be left alone.
Of course, even if he'd ever get to that level he'd wind up tackled by a month old cute newbie and brutalized in his shiney toy, becoming a really shiney killmail.
Given their preference to mindless grinds (missions, tons of them, mining, tons of it) the term was broadened to the point it became a joke: "I'm out of money, time to break out my Raven and carebear it up big time" and was often applied to anyone who engaged in carebear-like activities. It happened despite the fact that those people didn't share the attitude of carebears, preferring to say "Oh wow I'm a dumbass just minimized EVE to watch **** and didn't notice a local spike. That's one raven down the drain." rather than threaten their attacker with imaginary pals before making a massive whine thread on the forums, detailing how Ravens should be made bearmobiles impervious to ganks.
Hell, at some point the term started getting applied to people who are anything but carebears - mainly your average 0.0 joe who by undocking agrees to the danger of finding his sorry derriere ending up in an unreported gatecamp one jump away. Mostly because "nullbears" dare to avoid certain death by running for the POS instead of staying in their anomaly and honourably losing their Vindicator to a lone Jaguar or something equally horrid. (That is not to say there aren't carebars in null, there damn well are. Every now and then you can read hilariously bad suggestions in F&I about making the place much, much safer for ISK grinding. Even though it tends to be rather safe if you keep eyes on local, intel and your watch. Remember: don't rat when it's hotdrop o'clock)
Were players who followed CCP carebears? Not all of them, but some of them. Yes, many acknowledged the risk of dying but the carebear award goes to those who cried about it on forums. Instead of adopting HTFU they chose to scream and cry (...much to the amusment of the folk that aided in the slaughter, me included), shifting the blame in 100% to CCP and going as far as calling for unsubs to "Show CCP it's WE who wear pants in this 'verse!". Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

Lenroc Elisav
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:26:00 -
[1187] - Quote
From all was discussed about in this thread one thing I really hold against CCP/event organizers. That is the fact that they failed to reinforce the routes to target system and forced hours of TIDI on anyone that wanted to take part in the event. I understand that TIDI is a nice feature to have on large impromptu events but, because there always is a butt, to allow TIDI when it can be avoided is plain laziness and disrespect for the costumers. On the bright side, maybe I'm overreacting and the massive response to the call at arms took even the organizers by surprise and they did the best they could in a hard situation. If that's the case I hope they learned a trick or two.
My two cents! |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
282
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:28:00 -
[1188] - Quote
Lenroc Elisav wrote:From all was discussed about in this thread one thing I really hold against CCP/event organizers. That is the fact that they failed to reinforce the routes to target system and forced hours of TIDI on anyone that wanted to take part in the event. I understand that TIDI is a nice feature to have on large impromptu events but, because there always is a butt, to allow TIDI when it can be avoided is plain laziness and disrespect for the costumers. On the bright side, maybe I'm overreacting and the massive response to the call at arms took even the organizers by surprise and they did the best they could in a hard situation. If that's the case I hope they learned a trick or two.
My two cents!
The nodes systems were on were reinforced, but reinforcement doesn't equal "no tidi at all". Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
22
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:40:00 -
[1189] - Quote
Just a few simple thoughts on work arounds.
On the topic of NPC AI, Isn't it possible to create Devlike specific ships and drones that for all other appearences look like standard player ships? So a DevMachariel for example could have a carriers drone bay and drone abilities, and carry several 'fighters' which held the same characteristics as the player (NPC) ships? and all could be cleaned up (read deleted) after the event?
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Lenroc Elisav
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:40:00 -
[1190] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Lenroc Elisav wrote:From all was discussed about in this thread one thing I really hold against CCP/event organizers. That is the fact that they failed to reinforce the routes to target system and forced hours of TIDI on anyone that wanted to take part in the event. I understand that TIDI is a nice feature to have on large impromptu events but, because there always is a butt, to allow TIDI when it can be avoided is plain laziness and disrespect for the costumers. On the bright side, maybe I'm overreacting and the massive response to the call at arms took even the organizers by surprise and they did the best they could in a hard situation. If that's the case I hope they learned a trick or two.
My two cents! The nodes systems were on were reinforced, but reinforcement doesn't equal "no tidi at all".
Damn! "No TIDI at all" you say? I got a lot of 10% TIDI (mostly the entire route from rally ,Meves i think, system to target one). Guess CCP needs to spend some money on hardware upgrade then. |
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
283
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:48:00 -
[1191] - Quote
It's really not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of some horrid software bottlenecks from the past. I do believe it was mentioned that the most tidi-tastic thing is servers retrieving the skill progress etc. of a player when he's refreshed during a session change. Large fleets undocking/moving always cause TiDi, to the point during Fountain War undocks were called in phases to avoid causing spikes. And a Titan got blown up because a fleet undocked and got itself stuck in 10% tidi.
Those minor things aside, keep in mind that you're handling thousands of people. No other game does that without shards and instancing. The only alternative is, well, blackscreen + lag + server losing modules + people dying 30 minutes after they died + more blackscreens... list goes on.
EDIT: Furthermore, if I remember things correctly, reinforcement doesn't really equal to cramming more ram sticks into the blade live. Sometimes nodes are, I believe, remapped to more powerful hardware dedicated solely to them and other times, if the action is already ongoing, systems are remapped to other nodes to reduce load. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

MadMcMax Ornulf
MadMcMax
6
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:52:00 -
[1192] - Quote
Dev Blog posted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-spectre-event-breakdown-and-faq/
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
337
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:01:00 -
[1193] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:I doubt AI operates on algos so inefficient that simply finding a target per each rat scales THAT poorly with number of targets. Incursion rats and Sleepers come to mind. Although, to be frank, the AI is reportedly really old so it wouldn't surprise me to see a n^2 or worse target seek. It'd kind of be like inviting people to come and cause server trouble by stacking 300 people into an anomaly to see what happens.
(Hm, if we were to assume they did program them to run say, sorts basing on damage dealt and then picking highest with sort working best for small n then I'd see the case. That said, I don't think they'd go that far given incursion AI is also coded to work wtih null and low incursions - and those might by design require more manpower than hisec ones. Those things said, given the recent preference of rats to go after "similarily" sized targets it may be some sort of sort-by-signature with range select per rat, weighted to include things like reps or ewar rather than simple threat system of most-dps-on-field.)
Navigation sounds like a potential issue though - even though collisions are simplified (boundary spheres) in EVE, AI would probably need to generate at least a simple navmesh to avoid bouncing off objects. Given plexes/missions are always pre-scripted and always contain collidables in the same space, nav data may actually not be generated when rats spawn but simply loaded from an earlier dump.
In case of spawning mass amount of rats on the battlefield with an unmapped structure? It could get funky. Ah well, I guess CCP should release a Devblog on the "why" of spawning things this way! You've awakened our inner nerdbeast Goliath, now feed it or else you shall suffer endless wrath. Or, if you're nowhere to be found to suffer endless wrath we'll go punch some kittens! I'm an evil null cartel pilot that eats babies and washes them down with tears so you know I mean business.
Alright so if we're going for the definition, the term 'carebear' in EVE was applied as derogatory to people that believed they could detach themselves from non-consensual PvP. Mind you, this isn't about the lack of pvp or blow-stuff-up in general - it described the type of player that believes he's going to go pvp "when he's ready" (all skills at 5 + superawesome ship, preferably a goddamned titan or something equally ludicrously expensive of course) and until then he should be left alone.
Of course, even if he'd ever get to that level he'd wind up tackled by a month old cute newbie and brutalized in his shiney toy, becoming a really shiney killmail.
Given their preference to mindless grinds (missions, tons of them, mining, tons of it) the term was broadened to the point it became a joke: "I'm out of money, time to break out my Raven and carebear it up big time" and was often applied to anyone who engaged in carebear-like activities. It happened despite the fact that those people didn't share the attitude of carebears, preferring to say "Oh wow I'm a dumbass just minimized EVE to watch **** and didn't notice a local spike. That's one raven down the drain." rather than threaten their attacker with imaginary pals before making a massive whine thread on the forums, detailing how Ravens should be made bearmobiles impervious to ganks.
Hell, at some point the term started getting applied to people who are anything but carebears - mainly your average 0.0 joe who by undocking agrees to the danger of finding his sorry derriere ending up in an unreported gatecamp one jump away. Mostly because "nullbears" dare to avoid certain death by running for the POS instead of staying in their anomaly and honourably losing their Vindicator to a lone Jaguar or something equally horrid. (That is not to say there aren't carebars in null, there damn well are. Every now and then you can read hilariously bad suggestions in F&I about making the place much, much safer for ISK grinding. Even though it tends to be rather safe if you keep eyes on local, intel and your watch. Remember: don't rat when it's hotdrop o'clock)
Were players who followed CCP carebears? Not all of them, but some of them. Yes, many acknowledged the risk of dying but the carebear award goes to those who cried about it on forums. Instead of adopting HTFU they chose to scream and cry (...much to the amusment of the folk that aided in the slaughter, me included), shifting the blame in 100% to CCP and going as far as calling for unsubs to "Show CCP it's WE who wear pants in this 'verse!".
Really sorry to tell you though trii, the tears are not there this time. A question was asked as to whether if ccp had make a boo boo that things should be rolled back. The result was interesting. Tears flowed trolls raged but the tears were from those who were terrified by the thought of losing the killmails and loot. The response from those who went on the live event was somewhat different. Basically hell no! We expected to lose the ships we wanted to see something, just tell us why you thought wrapping us up in a ribbon and giving us up as a sacrifice was a good idea? you couldnt even be bothered to hide what you were doing. What goes on! We don't want no stinking token , we want an explaination. The other treads? Thousands of comments, not one tear I have found, apart from trolls trying to pretend (badly) to be supercarebear. I cannot remember one post where that was the main focus. If there were carebears, they certainly did not come on this live event!.the only carebears were those desperately trying to disrupt the thread as they could not stand to lose the loot they had mined.Because it certainly was not set up to be a glorious battle where the main fleets were positioned.
Next time trii when you want tears, do you want to come to the light? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
975
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:03:00 -
[1194] - Quote
Wow! I got my picture in it!!! - Review and thoughts on it to follow - Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Cpt Tenguru37
Cabbage Corp
9
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:07:00 -
[1195] - Quote
Last live event for me. The Dev blog is a joke... Maybe next time you should tell us the real staging system. Or was 23 jumps the shortest route as you put it haha |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
170
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:13:00 -
[1196] - Quote
They admitted their errors and wish to continue doing events having learnt some lessons on what went wrong on this one, I am happy with that reply, I hope others are too. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:16:00 -
[1197] - Quote
Lenroc Elisav wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Lenroc Elisav wrote:From all was discussed about in this thread one thing I really hold against CCP/event organizers. That is the fact that they failed to reinforce the routes to target system and forced hours of TIDI on anyone that wanted to take part in the event. I understand that TIDI is a nice feature to have on large impromptu events but, because there always is a butt, to allow TIDI when it can be avoided is plain laziness and disrespect for the costumers. On the bright side, maybe I'm overreacting and the massive response to the call at arms took even the organizers by surprise and they did the best they could in a hard situation. If that's the case I hope they learned a trick or two.
My two cents! The nodes systems were on were reinforced, but reinforcement doesn't equal "no tidi at all". Damn! "No TIDI at all" you say? I got a lot of 10% TIDI (mostly the entire route from rally ,Meves i think, system to target one). Guess CCP needs to spend some money on hardware upgrade then.
Trii is explaining it well enough, but I'll throw in a few extra points - I think one of the problems is a lot of you guys have never experienced TiDi before (barring Jita), so probably aren't aware how hard and fast it comes on. When we were last at war, moving a single full fleet through a gate, warping across system, and jumping out the other side was guaranteed to screw an unreinforced system down to ~20%. A reinforced system probably only down to 70% or so, but that is still only a single fleet, doing nothing other than passing through the system. Make it two fleets, still no combat, and smack you are down to 10% reinforced or not.
As has been mentioned, undocking and jumping gates is the largest load-maker in the game, something to do with reloading all your skills and re-applying all the modifiers to your ship-in-space before loading you in (I am still awaiting the brain-in-a-box which should remove this problem). In comparison, combat itself is a lot less straining once everyone is in system (I don't know whether you were in the Doril fight, but TiDi noticibly drew back once people stopped jumping in system, even though the fighting still raged - it is common to know in a big fight that reinforcements are entering system when you see TiDi slam back to 10%). Add to the fact that CCP don't have an unlimited number of reinforced nodes (I can't remember how many they said they had, but it was only a handful, and Jita sits permanently on one), so reinforcing whole travel routes isn't possible (we sometime joke in wartime that the whole region we are fighting in should be reinforced, but often, CCP can barely allocate enough to reinforce each sides staging systems, and one or two expected combat systems).
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Lenroc Elisav
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:18:00 -
[1198] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:It's really not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of some horrid software bottlenecks from the past. I do believe it was mentioned that the most tidi-tastic thing is servers retrieving the skill progress etc. of a player when he's refreshed during a session change. Large fleets undocking/moving always cause TiDi, to the point during Fountain War undocks were called in phases to avoid causing spikes. And a Titan got blown up because a fleet undocked and got itself stuck in 10% tidi.
Those minor things aside, keep in mind that you're handling thousands of people. No other game does that without shards and instancing. The only alternative is, well, blackscreen + lag + server losing modules + people dying 30 minutes after they died + more blackscreens... list goes on.
EDIT: Furthermore, if I remember things correctly, reinforcement doesn't really equal to cramming more ram sticks into the blade live. Sometimes nodes are, I believe, remapped to more powerful hardware dedicated solely to them and other times, if the action is already ongoing, systems are remapped to other nodes to reduce load.
I hear you. Those limitations should be known by CCP staff and taken into consideration when organizing an event. For the sake of fun and lore. And to avoid a lot of butt hurting . Or the alternative will be for the players to avoid participating since it wasn't a pleasant experience (mmmm, I guess that depends of what side of the gun barrels one was ). |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
5
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:20:00 -
[1199] - Quote
Only just saw this thread... my suggestions for improvements woud be:
more staging points to minimise horrid tidi some kind of fleet support from the empires who had supposedly called for support to insert fleets into null sec rather than throwing everyone at a gate that is camped to ehll and back that would have made for much more free flowing combat and allowed some kind of fleet tactics to be used
in the end the pirates must have had something like the scene in matrix revolutions where the squids just try to flood through the breech as capsuleers plopped through the gate piecemeal.
for a fair and much better fight the entry point to null sec system need to be spread and random. then you would have had a group of separate fleet combats...much more interesting than a mass gank session
just my tuppenceworth :) |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
528
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:23:00 -
[1200] - Quote
Verdict from me is outright lies from CCP as to what actually happened on the Event. CCP, if you are reading the thread, I'm highly disappointed that you couldn't publicly own up to the fact that you didn't allow for most of the high sec players to even get to the target zones before you called the event over.
Instead you are Retconning the event to claim that everyone had a fair go. Simply claiming it was so doesn't make it so. And by doing so you set a terrible stage for future events, where you can just make stuff up however you like after the event to claim it went how you wanted, without a care in the world to the reality.
TLDR. Get your head out of your ass CCP and actually answer the complaints about organisation. |
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Ashala Arcsylver
Gypsy Rose Mining
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:31:00 -
[1201] - Quote
Have been following and reading all 60 pages of this and now the official response blog.
The response seems genuine but also seems a tad out of touch with the events in question. It really seems like they are saying they know they didn't plan well especially the part about not researching the destination system all that well and things changing quickly when as I understand things the fleets had been staged there for longer than the announced event.
It also sounds like with the admission of the screw up they are offering a bit of a peace offering in the look into future event ideas such as this
A. Experimenting with new things is definitely something that we are very interested in as a group. As outlined above, this event ticked a few boxes for us, but there are many more left un-ticked! We have an idea for an arc that has resource gathering mechanics in it to put our more industrial inclined players to the test, but we donGÇÖt have a timeframe for running it so I wonGÇÖt go into more details at this time.
This sounds interesting for industry toons as well as miner gankers as an event.
All in all not a bad response but also feel it is a bit short of a apology. But they saved my sub of the account that was in the event at least.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
337
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:34:00 -
[1202] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Wow! I got my picture in it!!! - Review and thoughts on it to follow -
Lol fame!
Regarding the dev blog, I am going to read it a few times.
Bearing in mind this will have been worked on and amended by everyone from marketing to legal it will take some time to see the message contained within it clearly.
I hope to see a commitment to fairness, a place for all, everyone heard and we are all part of the future.
Reading it for a First pass through it is looking good. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
5
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:43:00 -
[1203] - Quote
in terms of the lore and player interaction it would have been better to arrange for empire stealth fleets to hav jumped in and setup stations and jump gates (one for each empire) inside the target system.
Staging point would have been at an empire station with corresponding jump gate. The pirates would have known the target system to gather in but not where the empire jump station were until they came online.
pirates would be faced with a choice of kill the bases to stop incoming fleets or fight the fleets, they would have had to spread out or gather to defend the empire targets. Since they would have been waiting at the entry gates this would have given a much better combat I think as they decided where to go and what to defend. |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
5
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:44:00 -
[1204] - Quote
and having the staging points in non-null but only one jump from the null target would have minimised the massive warp crawl
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
5
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:00:00 -
[1205] - Quote
better still they could have had single ended gates that launch you into the system at a random location (explorer style gates like this are already in the lore I think)
then the empire fleets would have been popping up all over the place and the pirates would have had to track them down. Some empire fleets would have been nice too to show their involvement. As it was it was a pointless mass gank, and had nothing to add to the 'losing control' lore either. I went along thinking their would be some kind of story development, leading players through some things to see before the final engagement. It's a shame as they could have done a lot more with this I feel. |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
61
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:00:00 -
[1206] - Quote
hahaha.
gonna have fun disecting this.
one thing I do want to make very clear for ccp directly because of how this event went: don't ever EVER get it into your heads to do any kind of event in our WH space. I will do all in my power to buck it up and then unsub. we got enough of your ccp BS to deal with in whs, we dont need ACTUAL ccp bucking us up directly. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
171
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:03:00 -
[1207] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:hmm still not explaning why they couldnt have informed the pirates still but given the invading high sec fleets at least 1 short cut there via empire titans. Maybe have the empire titans jump them in then abandon the players once they engage the target/null sec folks. Kind of setting the tone for the empires losing thier gut?
simply bypassing gatecamp choke points and inevitably shortening the trip as such probably would have made a world of difference. Still would have been feeding high sec ppls to null sec battlefleets but at least it would be a fight, not a gatecamp
also not sure why but i tried to post this as a "Quick Reply" but nothing actually happened
He addressed that important issue:
Quote:A. On the movement side, we would like to try using titans to bridge people to an event destination. That's certainly something we could see being very advantageous as well as giving people a chance to do something and see something they normally wouldn't in their usual gameplay. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
62
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:10:00 -
[1208] - Quote
I especially like how ccp is all like 'guis guis! we came up with this awsom sauce idea all on our own; Titan bridges! were so awsom we know'
yea, good job ccp, no idea where you got that from -_- |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
113
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:12:00 -
[1209] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Reading it for a First pass through it is looking good.
I'm not sure if this is wishful thinking or if you accidentally drunk your brain while you were toasting CCP in the last two days.
"CCP_Goliath" wrote:We expected the Empire forces to successfully destroy the structure, interdict the pirate frigates who were trying to salvage what they could, and "win", so to speak. -cut- The safest approach to ensure a trickle rather than a flood of players was to use channels that would only reach certain amounts of players at once. [...] That said, it would have been unnecessary if we had reinforced the staging systems correctly, which was an organizational mistake on my part. -cut- We did not thoroughly research each system on the route, so we were unaware that Doril was a staging system until it was past the point of being able to do anything about it. -cut- The fact that some people left on time and still missed the event is something we are really sorry for, but sadly there was nothing we could do once the event had started. -cut- . Unfortunately we did not account for time dilation in this calculation and they ended up being too long. This is something we will improve on in future.
This basically amounts to: - we did not reinforce the systems along the route we knew we would take; - we purposedly forced the players to "trickle"; - we did not know where we were going; - we didn't factor in the time needed for the people to arrive; - we didn't realize we'd have TIDi.
But my favourite morsel must necessarily be this one:
Quote:Why were the routes so long? So that we had routes to collect more people on, and that felt like they came from the heartland of the empire. Also the longer travel time gives us exposition time for the story and casual RP while travelling tends to make the time go quicker. Unfortunately we did not account for time dilation in this calculation and they ended up being too long. This is something we will improve on in future.
So you didn't know where you were going, we didn't know where we were going, and you still expected to "pick up people" along the way; because everyone, seeying people "trickling" through a system, would think "hey there's people there, let's join them". Also since we were trickling, how do you suppose one should've figured out we were moving to an event? And since we were going to null, how would you suppose one managed to clonejump, switch ships and join in? Did you expect us to jump to near-certain death fully equipped?
And you expected the hisec forces to win. That's why you've spawned npcs to help the pirates? Cuz it's known to all that nullsec veterans need help to fight off a bunch of uncoordinated, untested hisec bears coming in trickles to their turf.
Let me say that again. You thought that a bunch of ragtag fleets bunched up in hisec with mostly no clue, utter lack of organization, could've beaten organized nullsec blocs on their own turf after a long route that passed through known chokes and could easily be riddled with lowsec pirate raids - because it's not just nullsec blocs ya know, low sec has its share of "taken" pockets, that have no sov but are known to be hunting grounds for this or that corp/alliance. In fact there was at least one fleet of T3s camping alperaute.
CCP_Goliath wrote:...infiltrated by rogue intelligence gatherers from capsuleer alliances
You post the destination on Twitter, but you believe the null blocs needed infiltrators to figure out where we were going. Makes perfect sense...
Also, I'm glad you came out with your own solutions - and that they're much smarter than ours, right? 
All this can be summed up with "ya know, we didn't really think about what would happen, just figured out it'd be cool". Which curiously reminds me of most Darwin Award Honourable Mentions.
I can't figure out if you're really that out of touch with the game (and I'm trying hard not to be offensive), or if you think we're drunken idiots.
Well, we've got our answer as we demanded. 'nuff discussing for my stomach. |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
340
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:25:00 -
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Honestly, I am very heartened by this,
None of us can put our hands on our heart, and not only admit we made a mistake, but give every gory detail and details of everyones part?
Even if they wanted to could any businesses legal department allow them to?
We have a clear apology. We have a commitment to improve. They are acknowledging players good ideas. They are clearly stating eve is for all. They are also saying that favouring one group over another is NOT the companies policy and will never (again?) happen in future It was not dressed up in marketing speak but carefully and with careful consideration. It was genuine in it's intent and not a pacifier.
Personally, take a moment and it is a stunning reversal ... From the silence.
So yes when everything I could have wished for and more is given to us i think it was a good job.
After this,How we got here, is much less important than where we are going. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
975
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:33:00 -
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So, I've read it once and these are my initial thoughts on "Operational Spectacle" as I dub it now:
This Dev Blog provides some of the background thinking into what the Live Event Team GÇô Team Illuminati were trying to accomplish with this Live Event and that is due credit. I like that this was included.
"Leading to Rubicon" and the Lore The fact that this Live Event leads into the Rubicon expansion is great from a RP or even just a player perspective to be part of that rather than just "Tadaa expansion is here" and that is also to be commended.
"Final Destination and Movement"
Deployment to Null Sec and Inclusion Inclusion of both Hi-Sec, Low and Null type of play styles is always good but you have to bear in mind that going into Null with a "Kitchen Sink" fleet is always going to end the way that this event did and by that I mean you are handing essentially risk free kills and CONCORD Bounty Payments to those in Null (unless they are countered by another Null Entity who chose that time to attack them which would lead to some very interesting developments). These Live Events will always be in favour of the Null Blocs insofar as they can Titan Bridge and be set-up (as was experienced) in less time than I can jump one system at 10% TiDi. I am extremely interested to read that Titan Bridging for these events will be considered as that would be something unique that some of us have never seen except on a stream (I've been playing for 10 years and never Titan Bridged or even seen one!). Further on this point this would not remove the Null Blocs interaction or interdiction of players once they were in the target system but would ensure that fleets could get there without the grind through TiDI that was experienced on "Operational Spectacle".
TiDi Hell
I have to give some respect to CCP Goliath (and Team Illuminati) admitted that they fubared on reinforcing the systems:
"That said, it would have been unnecessary if we had reinforced the staging systems correctly," which does raise questions of the below quotes from the same Dev Blog:
1) "Unfortunately we did not account for time dilation in this calculation and they ended up being too long. This is something we will improve on in future."
Relay Communications
This is linked in the Dev Blog and was the message I got through backchannels of comms from Twitter "Attention mass of people in Sarum Prime. We kindly ask you start trickling over to Ihal for the event. #eveonline #tweetfleet". Now, rightly or wrongly, I assumed that this meant that Sarum was now closed due to numbers (I had already had to relog and had to elect to be moved to Irnal due to numbers in system) and that if you wanted in then a new staging area was being setup in Ihal. I still tried to verify the contents of this message as I was in Irnal trying to secure Fleet Members with my FC and WC. Clarity of communications should be as important as the communication itself.
"This trickle effect worked well and helped deal with server load." While this may have been the desired result from an infrastructure perspective from a customer experience it was both confusing and a bit in favour of those hooked into those streams at the time. I'm lucky to have two monitors but some are not (or play on a laptop) and some might not even know that Twitter and Facebook are available on the IGB (YouTube certainly isn't ) and I can include myself in that crowd. Thus it favours those who do know and gives them an advantage over those who don't on getting ahead of the pack so to speak. But then again...who wants to be first to jump into Null.
This information, while I appreciate you wanted this effect, serves to only confuse and exclude some people who may be turned off in future if this is how communication will come through. I personally had 3 extra channels open that day (Live Event, Out of Character and Intergalactic Summit along with the usual Corp, Local, Constellation and in addition to those I had Fleet and TS3 chatter. Now that's a lot of communication channels and now I have to add Twitter and Facebook and whosay and whatever other social media you may use? Twitter is bad as it's restricted to 140 characters and that is not a lot of space to get clear and concise information into (believe me, I've tried!) and clear, concise communications are required.[/i] A possible solution to Sarum Prime being over populated may have been to "spawn" a new staging system in an RP perspective such as "Capsuleers, Fleet Commander 'Xtreme Prejudice' has declared an auxiliary force is forming in Ihal and you are hereby requested to volunteer your services". This would've gotten people to trickle over while maintaining the fleet in Sarum Prime. The Twitter communication only delayed what you were trying to prevent and only for a very short time frame. Excited people were forwarding it (after they had got in warp I imagine) and so it spread like wildfire.
Overall first impression: A lot of information to go through and over again as I don't want to jump on the "CCP Bashing" wagon but I will say that there is no apology of substance in this thread apart from the "sorry you didn't make it" comment and that is a bit of a smack in the face for those that have posted for 7 days in this thread and across the forums and social media to get the IG and IRL concerns, complaints and opinions put across.
Forum ate my post. C&P 4TW. This is very much TBC and a WiP feedback (lack of space). Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Max Mueller
Deutsche Luftschlosswerke AG
4
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:52:00 -
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Marketing department damage control speech. Like "Do you plan on further improving the fantastic experience everyone had?" when it was a complete desaster.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
975
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:52:00 -
[1213] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote: Personally, take a moment and it is a stunning reversal ... From the silence.
So yes when everything I could have wished for and more is given to us i think it was a good job.
After this,How we got here, is much less important than where we are going.
Anything compared to the stonewalling that we had is an improvement I agree but if you were abused everyday and then suddenly you got one day of not being abused would you give thanks to your abuser for that day off? No, well now look at this from a different perspective.
I do share the 'where we are going' philosophy but we cannot and should not forget the past: Not T20, nor Incarna, nor ToS, nor SomerBlink, nor the IWS or the other incidents that have hit CCP and EVE Online in it's time and neither should CCP. We remember so that it doesn't happen again or so that we can engage, resolve and return to the journey we are on.
I am still reviewing the Dev Blog but I'll give credit and appreciation where I think it's due as you should but I am by no means completely satisfied that this Dev Blog answers all my questions, concerns, grievances or complaints but I will post in a constructive manner. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
117
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:04:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:He addressed that important issue: Quote:A. On the movement side, we would like to try using titans to bridge people to an event destination. That's certainly something we could see being very advantageous as well as giving people a chance to do something and see something they normally wouldn't in their usual gameplay.
i read the whole thing but managed to miss that block of text +1 for reading fail? be generous lol |

Zero Bastanold
Bastanolds
1
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:07:00 -
[1215] - Quote
Ummm not quite the response I was expecting. All I will say after reading that is next time you do a live event Don't do it half assed and put more time in to planning it. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
171
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:09:00 -
[1216] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:Dracvlad wrote:He addressed that important issue: Quote:A. On the movement side, we would like to try using titans to bridge people to an event destination. That's certainly something we could see being very advantageous as well as giving people a chance to do something and see something they normally wouldn't in their usual gameplay. i read the whole thing but managed to miss that block of text +1 for reading fail? be generous lol
It happens, I do it sometimes because I speed read,and it was a wall of text but a necessary one, my post was more to make sure you saw that.
I also think that the fun part is that the Titan will be attractive to the 0.0 cartel minions on their KB so it has even more benefits then making travel easier. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Vherana
United Research and Development Enterprising Most Usual Suspects
16
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:15:00 -
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It took them one week to write such a pathetic marketing bla... 
CCP is back at pre-Incarna levels of stupidity and arrogance!
I'm not amused!
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
285
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:18:00 -
[1218] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:One Genuine CCP-induced cistern of tears(tm)
One thing with Null is that hardly anything is "risk free". Even if you rat in a triple-warpstabbed ubertanked marauder in a cynojammed system, there may just be a dual-scram Arazu with a covert cyno and a black ops gang out for your killmail.
Similarily, fleets that engaged both forces put themselves at risk of an attack. As a member of one such fleet, I already mentioned that during our return home we were engaged by a BNI fleet twice our size. During the short lead-up to the engagement (read that: local spiking and gate flashing) we were told by our FC to "stay sharp, broadcast early and pay attention, don't be stupid or we'll all die". We managed to take advantage of our position on the gate and, if I remember things right, eliminate their fleet commander before he could coordinate his force and pull enough range to mitigate pulse laser damage.
There's always a bigger fish, or in this case fleet, that's largely disinterested in the smaller fish you're after but very interested in you. And believe me, CONCORD Bounty Payments weren't exactly high given a lot of people participated in each kill.
The amount of chat channels isn't really that big - considering most in our fleet had, besides local/corp/alliance/fleet a nice stack of intel channels (home, areas close to home, areas we're deployed to, areas we pass through and one or two we forgot to close). Add to that maybe some corp public channels, one or two private for you and a bunch of friends... it gets messy. If we go into out-of-game you have typical alliance comms. Peak for me would be when we were cooperating with both the HBC and CFC, rolling with 3 sets of forums + jabber + voice comms.
After that, the fact CCP dared to use Twitter to broadcast info is not really that much of an offense.
Guiding a herd of a thousand cats, with their legendary hatred to the sole notion of being herded is a tricky thing - even in "experienced" null coalitions, large fleets tend to trail stragglers that didn't align or crashed. Often they're picked off by opposing forces or opporutnists (who then laugh, "haha, look at that sheep domi/rokh/scorpion/mega").
TiDi being TiDi was probably predicted but not at the magnitude it occured. It's not a flawless system, while it makes things work well in situations that would result in crashes it does have certain charms. As it was mentioned earlier, gate jumping is known to cause it - slowing down travel while the fight rages on (or allowing faster travel while the fight is in tidi, depends on the circumstances). That said, if you're in a big damn fleet fight there's gonna be TiDi - no avoiding that.
And, yes, it was really fun on the side with guns. But it usually is, so I advise finding a fleet and doing your best to ensure you're the one doing the murderizing, it's really fun!
Oh, and since it was requested to be back, mandatory: HTFU! Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
340
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:20:00 -
[1219] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: Personally, take a moment and it is a stunning reversal ... From the silence.
So yes when everything I could have wished for and more is given to us i think it was a good job.
After this,How we got here, is much less important than where we are going.
Anything compared to the stonewalling that we had is an improvement I agree but if you were abused everyday and then suddenly you got one day of not being abused would you give thanks to your abuser for that day off? No, well now look at this from a different perspective. I do share the 'where we are going' philosophy but we cannot and should not forget the past: Not T20, nor Incarna, nor ToS, nor SomerBlink, nor the IWS or the other incidents that have hit CCP and EVE Online in it's time and neither should CCP. We remember so that it doesn't happen again or so that we can engage, resolve and return to the journey we are on. I am still reviewing the Dev Blog but I'll give credit and appreciation where I think it's due as you should but I am by no means completely satisfied that this Dev Blog answers all my questions, concerns, grievances or complaints but I will post in a constructive manner.
Agreed, judge not a man by his words but his actions. Still applies. The fact they were able to say this much is actually very unusual in a business response. I am drawing opinions, from not just the things that were said clearly, but what was not said as well. Everyone will need to draw their own conclusions and I accept that some feel strongly more should have been said,they are entitled to that feeling.
I do suggest that everyone looks a little deeper into a few lines in the post here and there and listen to what they are trying to say.
They do not want to share every detail of what happened, that is understandable but they are saying sorry and will put things right.
I find that good. Could they do more? Sure they could. Does this answer all the questions? No but what matters is the problems are being dealt with and they will make sure they do not reoccur.
Do you believe them? They cannot tell us in more than words today, but we SHOULD judge them by their actions.
I think they have earned the chance to have our support whilst they show us with their actions that they mean it.
So in summation I will support them with my payment, while I watch with great interest whether they mean what they say.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Constantin Baracca
236
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:33:00 -
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.... Did CCP attend their own live event?
Who made it to Serpentis to fail and how in the almighty Jesus did they figure they would have "destroyed the target?" You don't have to play for very long to know that a nullsec gate camp will stop a fleet trickling in system. So we're really, honestly supposed to think CCP figured the nullsec alliances would ignore a bunch of highsec players flying PVE rigs and jump on the bandwagon?
Nobody should have thought that!
The gross incompetence of it all is that CCP is either outright lying or has absolutely no idea what their own game is like. Is that why the route went through a giant 0.0 warzone? We wanted to pick up a few nullsec alliances on the way through to join hands and skip down the road with the highseccers? For no rewards? And when you ran into a gatecamp, just let everyone jump through and, yeah, burn straight on through the gatecamp.
There was a guy I knew in high school, and he tended to be creepy. He would try his best, yet screw up every attempt to get into a relationship. He'd sit outside their houses, call and ask if they were at home since he saw their car in their driveway, pester them every chance he got, that sort of thing. And yet, despite the fact that everyone knows he was being creepy, was literally disgusting these girls, he never realized he was the problem. Obviously, these girls just didn't like nice guys.
I'm getting the same vibe here. CCP has itself to blame for essentially failing first grade dungeonmastering, yet just shrugged and said, "players failed to overcome my inadequacies and finish the campaign by themselves."
To be fair, I don't think they were being malicious, I just think they're grossly incompetent. If they, in any way, expected the players to destroy those objectives with the plan they had, they know less about the game than starting players do. There's a reason so many people were calling this FUBAR before they even knew where they were going.
I'm probably going to let my sub lapse whenever it does. The response confirmed exactly what I thought. CCP is completely clueless. I still don't know if they're really aware of why they failed and why people are angry at them. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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Lenroc Elisav
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:45:00 -
[1221] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:
And, yes, it was really fun on the side with guns. But it usually is, so I advise finding a fleet and doing your best to ensure you're the one doing the murderizing, it's really fun!
Oh, and since it was requested to be back, mandatory: HTFU!
Trust me dude, I know. See??? Not big but really intense fighting. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
977
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:54:00 -
[1222] - Quote
Dev Blog: Operation Spectre - Event Breakdown and FAQ can be found here Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1513
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:57:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Reading it for a First pass through it is looking good. I'm not sure if this is wishful thinking or if you accidentally drunk your brain while you were toasting CCP in the last two days. "CCP_Goliath" wrote:We expected the Empire forces to successfully destroy the structure, interdict the pirate frigates who were trying to salvage what they could, and "win", so to speak. -cut- The safest approach to ensure a trickle rather than a flood of players was to use channels that would only reach certain amounts of players at once. [...] That said, it would have been unnecessary if we had reinforced the staging systems correctly, which was an organizational mistake on my part. -cut- We did not thoroughly research each system on the route, so we were unaware that Doril was a staging system until it was past the point of being able to do anything about it. -cut- The fact that some people left on time and still missed the event is something we are really sorry for, but sadly there was nothing we could do once the event had started. -cut- . Unfortunately we did not account for time dilation in this calculation and they ended up being too long. This is something we will improve on in future. This basically amounts to: - we did not reinforce the systems along the route we knew we would take; - we purposedly forced the players to "trickle"; - we did not know where we were going; - we didn't factor in the time needed for the people to arrive; - we didn't realize we'd have TIDi. But my favourite morsel must necessarily be this one: Quote:Why were the routes so long? So that we had routes to collect more people on, and that felt like they came from the heartland of the empire. Also the longer travel time gives us exposition time for the story and casual RP while travelling tends to make the time go quicker. Unfortunately we did not account for time dilation in this calculation and they ended up being too long. This is something we will improve on in future. So you didn't know where you were going, we didn't know where we were going, and you still expected to "pick up people" along the way; because everyone, seeying people "trickling" through a system, would think "hey there's people there, let's join them". Also since we were trickling, how do you suppose one should've figured out we were moving to an event? And since we were going to null, how would you suppose one managed to clonejump, switch ships and join in? Did you expect us to jump to near-certain death fully equipped? And you expected the hisec forces to win. That's why you've spawned npcs to help the pirates? Cuz it's known to all that nullsec veterans need help to fight off a bunch of uncoordinated, untested hisec bears coming in trickles to their turf. Let me say that again. You thought that a bunch of ragtag fleets bunched up in hisec with mostly no clue, utter lack of organization, could've beaten organized nullsec blocs on their own turf after a long route that passed through known chokes and could easily be riddled with lowsec pirate raids - because it's not just nullsec blocs ya know, low sec has its share of "taken" pockets, that have no sov but are known to be hunting grounds for this or that corp/alliance. In fact there was at least one fleet of T3s camping alperaute. CCP_Goliath wrote:...infiltrated by rogue intelligence gatherers from capsuleer alliances You post the destination on Twitter, but you believe the null blocs needed infiltrators to figure out where we were going. Makes perfect sense...  Also, I'm glad you came out with your own solutions - and that they're much smarter than ours, right?  All this can be summed up with "ya know, we didn't really think about what would happen, just figured out it'd be cool". Which curiously reminds me of most Darwin Award Honourable Mentions. I can't figure out if you're really that out of touch with the game (and I'm trying hard not to be offensive), or if you think we're drunken idiots. Well, we've got our answer as we demanded. 'nuff discussing for my stomach.
Post this in the dev blog. If they ignored this thread for a week, don't except them to start reading now. Say goodbye to high sec as you know it. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
977
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:04:00 -
[1224] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:One Genuine CCP-induced cistern of tears(tm) -Usual Trii Seo venom spouting and misreading- Oh, and since it was requested to be back, mandatory: HTFU!
Ah the venom just comes so easily. As you snipped my quote and admittedly it was long here is what you are commenting on so that you can read what it says:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Inclusion of both Hi-Sec, Low and Null type of play styles is always good but you have to bear in mind that going into Null with a "Kitchen Sink" fleet is always going to end the way that this event did and by that I mean you are handing essentially risk free kills and CONCORD Bounty Payments to those in Null (unless they are countered by another Null Entity who chose that time to attack them which would lead to some very interesting developments).
'In that I mean' that in this event the "Kitchen Sink" fleet was trickled into the system whereby the Null Fleet picked the juiciest targets and insta-blapped them. I've watched the video on YouTube of the Null (I believe russian?) FC target calling and he states quite clearly "Don't worry about the bombers, I think we're the only ones who don't need to worry about the bombers here" or words to that effect. Think about that for a while...
I am not so naive to think that all or any part of Null is risk free, I'm not a resident and wouldn't claim so but from what I saw and heard Null Fleets were sat there just pot-shooting away at the "Event Fleet" without a care in the world. In fact the excitement was so great in that video the FC actually told people to shut-up, stop calling targets and just press F1. Must've been nerve-wracking...
And so take your HTFU and mix it with a STFU until you can actually look more closely than just surface level or reading what you want to read. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Sirius Fidelis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:13:00 -
[1225] - Quote
Constantin Baracca wrote:The response confirmed exactly what I thought. CCP is completely clueless. I still don't know if they're really aware of why they failed and why people are angry at them.
I haven't played this game for very long (approximately 1 year), and every day I read and hear about how CCP screw this up, or that. I have chalked it up to bitter vet syndrome and I took it all with a grain of salt. How can a company survive this long if they were truly as bad as these people made it out to be?
Then I attended this event. I was shocked at the way things panned out, as I never even made it to Ihal until the event was 'called off', which seemed highly premature and scripted. Like a kid who was losing and yanks the power cord from the machine instead. Even with this in mind, I figured it was just one bad event, no big deal--the Dev Blog will explain everything perfectly..
At this point, I'm completely on board with the quote in this reply. CCP mentions they can plan an event and control attendance by where and how it's advertised. This event was advertised on Facebook, Twitter, the launcher, the login page, the forums..everywhere. To this conclusion, CCP had to know a MASSIVE TURNOUT was to be expected.
Then the dev blog comes out to say they didn't account for TiDi. And that they really didn't even know Doril was being used as a staging system for a HUGE nullbloc. And to further alienate the situation, there was no apology in the entire article, however credit must be given for the one admission of a single mistake being made (not reinforcing the right nodes).
So as a fairly new EVE gamer, I'm left with the impression that they truly do not play their own game, or have any clue what is going on within it. This reinforced the notion that CCP is clueless and incompetent, and greatly explains why so many expansions have been received with so many complaints that CCP is adding pointless fluff or stupid features instead of fixing what is already in the game. It's not a lack of trying on their part, as they attempt to add content to a legacy game.
I'm not saying I'll leave EVE any time soon, as I enjoy it and play in the one part of the game CCP has admitted to actually working somewhat right (wormholes). But I am now amongst the thousands of players who fear the day CCP involves themselves with any aspect of our wormholes.
For the sake of this game, please stop developing 2 expansions a year and invest one of the expansions time into playing your product so you have at least some sort of a clue of what it's like. |

Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
30
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:32:00 -
[1226] - Quote
I didn't really find what I was hoping to find in the dev blog post mortem of the event. Most importantly what I was missing was the angle of taking an inherited audience from previous events, which was mostly high-sec people who aren't well versed in all things null-sec, and taking them into a null-sec event in a way that gives them a reasonable chance of success. Taking the stance that people can choose to partake in the event or not doesn't work; you've inherited your audience and their expectations. Changing your format without managing those expectations first leads to angry people. Plus, you could have your cake and eat it too if you designed your event such that even carebears have a function they can successfully complete while those more accustomed and willing to fight fleet battles do that portion of your event.
tldr; know your audience and their expectations and act accordingly.
P.S.: When CCP apologized after Incarna was poorly received, it showed character to do so. Apologizing isn't something to be avoided at all costs, it's a strength, not a weakness. |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
285
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:36:00 -
[1227] - Quote
Lenroc Elisav wrote:Trii Seo wrote:
And, yes, it was really fun on the side with guns. But it usually is, so I advise finding a fleet and doing your best to ensure you're the one doing the murderizing, it's really fun!
Oh, and since it was requested to be back, mandatory: HTFU!
Trust me dude, I know. See??? Not big but really intense fighting.
Oh yes, actually small and intense tends to be even more fun than big and intense. To some extent, TiDi gives you a bit more time and makes things a tad less exciting - admittedly, not much since your delay in decision making will still be present but it's easier to plan your next move while the current one is executed at reduced speed. This advice is to all that never experienced the joy of murder with friends (the fun of it scales exponentially, by the way) and were on business side of the guns that day 
As for another post blaming me for venom and misreading - words "Don't worry about the bombers" (and "Don't broadcast bombs") were spoken in 8V- too, mostly because we were in ships highly resistant to bombing - ahacs. We also at some point in time were given "free fire, free fire" while sitting on a gate just because of the sheer amount of idiots we were catching as they tried to run away. Mostly pods, some juicier stuff. So... quoting an FC out of context and saying how his fleet had a summer luxury cruise in comparison to poor hisec fleet that had to walk uphill in lava is kind of wrong. Very wrong actually.
What I was picking at were the words "risk-free". Sometimes if you're not careful you may end up stomped to the ground by a Kitchensink fleet. A lot of good FC work went into making this op a success. As for "I saw and heard" - maybe you saw the Curse side of events. I don't remember either of our fleets sitting back and just shelling away in Syndicate. In fact, we were constantly on the move in there. We actually expected a bigger fish since our small fleet would be a nice target - when shooting a Black Legion 'phoon people on comms literally said "Here comes the cyno!" as we just waited for a dictor to land on us, bubble up and a hotdrop to begin.
Oh and someone mentioned 'wanting the HTFU crowd back' so here it is, HTFU. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
117
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:59:00 -
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Epicurus, I think you're deluded.
Quote:I think they have earned the chance to have our support whilst they show us with their actions that they mean it.
For a company that systematically fails to deal with each and every crisis they face, they surely ask a lot of their customers. So, we've got the lottery scandal, jita burning, somer blink, the TOS changes, and this, just off the top of my mind. Yet you say they've earned our support.
Nope, sorry. If I am to believe the dev blog, they're too incompetent to *play* this game, much less direct it.
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
117
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:06:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:What I was picking at were the words "risk-free". Sometimes if you're not careful you may end up stomped to the ground by a Kitchensink fleet. A lot of good FC work went into making this op a success. As for "I saw and heard" - maybe you saw the Curse side of events. I don't remember either of our fleets sitting back and just shelling away in Syndicate. In fact, we were constantly on the move in there. We actually expected a bigger fish since our small fleet would be a nice target - when shooting a Black Legion 'phoon people on comms literally said "Here comes the cyno!" as we just waited for a dictor to land on us, bubble up and a hotdrop to begin.
Yeah, I saw a RAZOR video and they were warping around quite a bit too - heard a "I'm podded" too, it wasn't risk free for the single fleet or pilot - tho I must say it was hardly a contested fight: they slaughtered scores and lost maybe a couple ships. Compared to the chaos and fire we've got in our fleet... it did look pretty good. But as mentioned, there's no arguing about the better discipline and organization of the blocs.
I read a post somewhere mentioning that two opposing factions in the doril-related war were side by side when the hiseccers came in. They literally ignored each other till the hiseccers stopped coming through, by mutual and silent accord. There's no denying those players are better in fleetfights (as if anyone tried).
You'd expect CCP to understand that, yet they misteriously thought we'd win.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
285
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:12:00 -
[1230] - Quote
I think they might've expected us to rain on the pirate parade and literally kill everything flying instead of letting the pirates win.
EDIT: Yeah we also lost a few people that weren't in T2/T3 ships. Mostly ewar cruisers, definitely one Celestis and Arbitrator that managed to break out and warp off only to land in something way worse ;) Also in the initial fight a Maller and a Rupture later on. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
980
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:18:00 -
[1231] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:I think they might've expected us to rain on the pirate parade and literally kill everything flying instead of letting the pirates win.
And you didn't? Why? :Tears:
OK, jokes and forum sparing aside I will apologise if I did, or you thought I did, misquote an FC out of context. It wasn't my intent and it was what I heard on the YouTube video (OFC I didn't even get to Low Sec let alone into the "fight"). You read, you watch, you listen and you draw conclusions based on that.
I hope that this clears up the matter and I honestly believe that FC'ing must be a damn stressful job against a fleet from a similar organisation. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Constantin Baracca
239
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:22:00 -
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Killerjock wrote: Simple. They've got a great game to begin with, and they've got no contender in the market. Can you think of another spaceship MMO?
Not any that are this large or have this scale. That's not a static state of affairs, though. Star Citizen is on the horizon, and That Company Which Shall Not Be Named are developing one.
This isn't really shooting themselves in the foot as much as walking out onto the pitch during a world cup semifinal where the other players are preparing to take the field, waving your hands to get attention, blowing their foot off with a shotgun, and then saying that they just wanted to see what happened and that things turned out in unanticipated ways. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:35:00 -
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I for one didn't get any jollys out of the dev blog, for one it didn't acknowledge why people were so pissed off. I does however enforce the thought that CCP doesn't give a crap about high sec players and that they are totally disconnected from there own game. Somebody said that they should play there own game, well they do play the game they're in null sec since to them thats the game. High sec isn't really "eve" to them and should be removed so that they have more people to shoot at in null sec.
But that's ok, it's there game and if that's the direction they want to take it than more power to them. A lot of players like pvp and those are the people that are being catered to which again is ok. But for those who don't like to pvp it doesn't bode well my friends. I don't mind pvping, the whole purpose of this toon was to pvp. its not bad it's fun. but it's not why i play eve. I'm an industrialist i enjoy building things and mining things and researching things. it takes me some time to buy a freighter i mean it really does. So when i lose one it sets me way back. I'm not in a big corp with any alliance so what does that mean for my industrial toon?
I've already cancelled my accounts, this is the last one i have open and i'll be closing this one as it comes closer to it's renewal date. x-rebirth is out tomorrow and that will keep me content until star citizen comes out.
I've been playing since 2006 on my main so it's been a long run and it's been kinda painful seeing CCP change the company direction and change things in so many ways. Some were good and some were bad. But one thing is for sure, over the years they've made high sec more and more painful for the non-pvpers.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
45
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:36:00 -
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Optimus Junkis wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Other than the small part that this was not a 'minor' event mishap. It was major.
No, it was minor. You think it was major because you have a child's sense of perspective. what would you consider a major thing in game?
Major? T20 was a major ****-up. Golden bullets/monocle gate, wherein the development direction of the game suddenly seemed highly questionable was pretty major.
An hour or two out of your evening sunk into an event that didn't go off quite as planned, though? That's a ******* nothing to anyone who doesn't labor under the delusion that the world revolves around them. |

Lator Mors
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:01:00 -
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Thoroughly disappointed in the CCP Dev Blog response to this. Others will nitpick their way through the post, but this was a cover-your-*ss post by a corporation (I know, I work in marketing for a 50k+ person service company).
The one ingredient missing is the acknowledgment of the frustration, anger, and disappointment thousands of customers experienced. It's PR 101 - the emotions won't be diffused and the issue resolved until people feel that their views/feelings are understood by the company. Without saying "we're sorry" or "we understand we've let some of you down" or even "we made mistakes that effected you", this comes across as a hollow restating (and in some cases, mis-stating) of facts already covered by players in this and other threads.
The part that got me was their comment about Empire capsuleers leaving the fleet when it was clear we were going into low/null sec. My own experience, and others based on forum posts, is that most people left when they had to make 15-20 jumps through high TDi and they perhaps didn't have 3 hours to spare.
The entire blog reeks of revisionism (rewriting history to make yourself look better and gloss over the negatives) and fails to address the very obvious trust issue that is apparent throught player posts about the event.
Companies can apologize. They can say sorry. Admit mistakes. Acknowledge a failure. Most do. All without risking bank-breaking lawsuits. An apology. A token reimbursement (zero value certificate or something). Anything to acknowledge the customer's viewpoint and leave them feeling treated fairly. It's what good companies, who care about their customers and public image, do when they screw up. It's Customer Support 101.
Did they address many of the questions players asked? Yes. Did they provide a summary of the event? Yes, though through rose-coloured glasses.
Did they address the underlying issues that caused hundreds of players to express outrage in the forums? IMHO - not even close.
And as a long-time Eve player with multiple accounts (high, low, w, and null-based), I'm more disappointed in CCP than I was before the blog. It's not a rage-inducing disappointment. It's the sad, head-shaking disappointment you feel when you've spent years trying to help a drug-addicted friend through multiple rehabs and OD's, only to finally come to the realization that they're well-and-truly gone and nothing you can do will can help them help themselves.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:05:00 -
[1236] - Quote
Killerjock wrote: I read a post somewhere mentioning that two opposing factions in the doril-related war were side by side when the hiseccers came in. They literally ignored each other till the hiseccers stopped coming through, by mutual and silent accord. There's no denying those players are better in fleetfights (as if anyone tried).
Speaking as someone in one of the Doril fleets, it wasn't completely cut and dried. We are friends with Razor, so when things started we were fighting side-by-side, but once more fleets came in, everyone was watching their backs and trying not to get shanked by being complacent - we had a couple of short spars with Darkside during the fight who tried drive-bying us, and had to abandon the gate at one stage since we suspected Nulli Secunda was setting a bomb run up on us. And come the end, I actually had as many Pandemic Legion kills as I did high-seccers.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1329
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:24:00 -
[1237] - Quote
The best apologies are the ones in which the individual not only admits their faults, but also shows their thought processes and what they've learned. CCP has done both of these things. They screwed up in choosing Doril - they admit that, and will get better. They screwed up in not correcting for tidi - they admit that, and will get better. Fleet was a mess and presentation was poor - they admit that, and will get better.
http://memegenerator.net/instance/35800888
I don't, and won't, expect them to come begging for forgiveness. They spun things in a positive light where possible, which is to be expected and is a sane thing to do. They've seen the mistakes - yes, including the mistake of getting the fleet strung out and preventing a number of people from attending the event proper.
In the end you can take from this what you will. If you want to use this as an excuse for unsubbing, and have had the wind taken out of your sails, no amount of arguing will change that. If you're bolstered by the reply and are once again looking forward to the next one, no arguing will change *that*, either.
Thanks, Events Team! Let's do the titan bridging thing next time. That sounds cool. |

Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
176
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:33:00 -
[1238] - Quote
We already know exactly what happened during the live event. When we asked for a dev blog discussing it, we didn't mean we just wanted a recap of what we already knew. We wanted an apology, CCP to acknowledge what went wrong, and explain how things should have been done differently to avoid this mess. I saw nothing in that dev blog to make me believe that CCP has any idea why players are mad about the live event. So nice cover-your-ass, kick-the-can-down-the-road post, but I don't think that your lackluster response is going to help anything or convince people to show up at the next live event because there's no reason to believe that CCP has learned anything from this.
Dev Blog wrote:We did not thoroughly research each system on the route, so we were unaware that Doril was a staging system until it was past the point of being able to do anything about it.
Wow. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3632
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:42:00 -
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Quote: Q. High player interest is great, but causes Time Dilation bottlenecks. Can you foresee a way to deliver a more optimal live event experience?
A. We always strive to engage people and the participation figures at our larger events show that they arenGÇÖt just a niche experience. Balancing this with ensuring adequate server performance is tricky. We can control the size of events by controlling the information flow, but that creates the problem of having to be constantly up to date with what is happening where. For the larger events we use more large scale advertising, and this obviously pays off as we can see from the participation in this event and the Caldari Prime event, but this doesnGÇÖt always pair up well with ensuring a consistent experience for everyone and while there is an ongoing internal effort to improve cluster performance, it also forces us to be a little creative in our staging of events. We donGÇÖt have the magic recipe yet, but weGÇÖre getting better at engaging more people and we learn lessons on how to optimize the experience with every event. Different types of events can also be used to engage many people without causing undue load, for instance the Sanctuary Image Contest that we ran earlier this year, though these come with their own costs too.
This should fit well into letting players run the fleets on their own. FCs who know the ropes and the regions (FCORD does roams in Black Rise almost monthly for example) will choose their own routes per the needs of the situation, using scouts, intel, the usual tools.
Quote:Q. Are concerns about favoritism a barrier to running smaller, more specific events?
A. Favoritism is something we are extremely conscious of in the events team. We both seek to provide interactive content shaped by the players to add flavor to the EVE Universe, and to get involved where we can to enrich player created content. Obviously we canGÇÖt be at every event we are requested to be, so guidelines and rules have to exist to ensure we arenGÇÖt giving certain groups more attention than others. It is important for us to remember that the squeaky wheel shouldnGÇÖt always get the grease GÇô just because there are particularly active or interested parties doesnGÇÖt mean they inherently deserve more of our time and attention than parties that are quieter but just as interested, or curious but not the type to ask for our help/time/participation. ItGÇÖs also important to make sure we donGÇÖt show up where we arenGÇÖt wanted, hence our reluctance to run events in player owned null sec space, or wormholes (though there are plenty of logistical reasons in there too).
If they really want to avoid the hornets nest on this one, all they need not do is "feed" one player to another. Don't go feeding live event participants to nullsec bubble blob camps so they can gleefully shoot fish in a barrel. But I would also advise against setting up SOV holders or lowsec organizations to be disadvantaged (screwed over is a better term) by changes in mechanics or NPC/CCP actions around the live event.
Quote:Q. Are there plans to host live events for those who enjoy different playstyles?
A. Experimenting with new things is definitely something that we are very interested in as a group. As outlined above, this event ticked a few boxes for us, but there are many more left un-ticked! We have an idea for an arc that has resource gathering mechanics in it to put our more industrial inclined players to the test, but we donGÇÖt have a timeframe for running it so I wonGÇÖt go into more details at this time.
OK here's some vet stuff. Remember the original Sansha incursions? (before Incursions as game content) They had something for everybody: explorers running scanning ships, role players, and occasionally PVPers (for the ones that led from highsec to lowsec) and it was a break from PVE grinding that changed the game for a lot of people. We do not need a "PVP live event", or a "Hauling Live event", nor a "PVE Live Event" or a "Exploration Live Event". Just throw these elements together, one big "mess" - don't worry there will be enough players with specialized skills (division of labor) who can handle it. Imagine a live event where you have to find the bad guys (scanning), got suspect flagged for engaging (PVP), had to run loot to given collection points for some reason (quarantine, etc - hauling), and had many injected NPC fleets to deal with in the process (PVE). Throw in some dramatic subterfuge too. A good time will be had by all.
Quote:While the development priorities of the EVE project have not resulted in development of tools to improve the facilitation of live events at this time, the team has come up with some ideas to mitigate some of the limitations that the client and environment lend to the running of events. For instance, actor-driven storyline exposition may be contained to moderated chat channels in future so that players can follow the thread of the event without confusion developing through local chat. Ultimately, the old adage GÇ£a bad workman blames his toolsGÇ¥ rings true once again, and working with the tools we do have to be as varied and flexible as possible in our events is the primary focus of the team. We learn more each time!
Pro tip: there are people who were not baby-sat properly - or too much - whose whole game is to disrupt live events by spamming the channels with garbage. A "actors only intel channel" for event information injects that can only be watched by players would be perfect and simple as a final word.
(Of course the actors should not be too trustworthy you never know what spies the pirates put into Empire to seed disinfo or what someone does when Sansha nanites invade their brain).
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
983
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:50:00 -
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From this thread Dev Blog: Operation Spectre - Event Breakdown and FAQ
Phoenix Jones wrote: - Stream the event LIVE from CCP Headquarters -
Excellent idea that I quite like but can you imagine if "Operation Spectacle" had been streamed how bad it might have affected CCP? They need to really dig down deep and sort these events out before this happens.
On an improvement front and to combat the Null Bloc a little cos, well if they want a fight lets give them one hellava fight, you could declare that you are Titan Bridging into EVF-456 and the Titan Bridge opens, Fleet jumps, and "Whoooaaaa" along with this:
"This is the FC, due to the secrecy required for this mission we had to sow disinformation and you were not bridged to where we told you we would be going. Pilots...PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!"
Now the spies in the Fleet will be squawking on comms back to the Null Bloc FC's, Null Bloc will be TB'ing back to where ever the hell we've landed and we'll be all "Come at me bro!" and probably all die in a big ball of flame with a smile while taking the pod goo express to a clone in a Hi-Sec Station shouting on comms "What a ride, what a ride!"
Now that's how you get around spies and that would be an awesome fight I would gladly bring a decent fit to!
EDIT:
If it is part of the game to spy and try to disrupt then surely it would be reasonable that you can put out disinformation on the objectives etc. This maintains the secrecy in both the "Chronicle" and the lore along with the "excitement of the unknown" for the participants while ensuring that those not accustomed to Fleet Warfare get some time in fleet to do something i.e. "PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!" and the Null Blocs logistics get tested along with them being a little on the back foot and not sitting at a gate waiting for the barrel to be delivered full of the juicy fish.  Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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Detritus Newton
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:52:00 -
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I've restarted a post several times here, the problem is that the more I read the Devblog the worse it sounds.
On the was the event incompetence or intention? The blog is firmly on the incompetence theory.
Have they seriously admitted that they don't understand their own product?
Did they seriously explain away the laughable communications due to it being a covert op? Really covert? The publicly advertised call for all pilots into massive fleets was a covert op?
Did they admit that they don't know any of the major dynamics going on with the game?
Honestly I think its time to draw a line under all this. It was a half arsed attempt at something which the nullsec people took full advantage of quite rightly.
The only way we will know if they have understood how pissed off so many people is if and when they stage another comparable event.
If they had said they wanted to recreate the Battle of the Somme or Gallipoli intentionally I might have understood.
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
254
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:02:00 -
[1242] - Quote
When I read the dev-blog, all I can think is "yep, it was a gank. A poorly executed one, but still a gank"
The way the blog recounts what happens is written almost as if with glee at the results.
The reason it took them a week to post it was they probably couldn't get a decent one put together that wasn't a wall of text just gloating over their success.
I noticed specifically there was very little said regarding how their FC's acted during the event, and so on. Likely due to the FC's doing exactly what they were told to do.
The dev-blog certainly hasn't changed my opinion at all, but I wasn't exactly expecting it to. CCP is very happy with what happened. Profit favors the prepared |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
286
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:20:00 -
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One improvement I can see already is the lack of pre-scripted outcome. It's good! It's not Caldari Prime where the Leviathan would go down regardless of what happened.
Step by step CCP will likely improve things, let's remember Rome wasn't exactly built overnight. Those events are designed by employees of a company and it's the second one since they made a return. Imagine if CCP set goals high on this event: scanning, pveing, pvping, hauling, all that good stuff and then things went wrong.
So, they made this one simple: "go to target. shoot bads." and things, understandably, went wrong like last time. Last time it was worse, this time better but still with hiccups. Next time they may nail the formula even better and start varying things up. Maybe they should broaden it from several hours long to a day or two to include all timezones?
Also, I love how Star Citizen the game-that-does-not-even-yet-exist made it into this thread. Let's give it a warm welcome while it's still among us and hasn't crashed into the sea of disappointment. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:47:00 -
[1244] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:One improvement I can see already is the lack of pre-scripted outcome. It's good! It's not Caldari Prime where the Leviathan would go down regardless of what happened.
Step by step CCP will likely improve things, let's remember Rome wasn't exactly built overnight. Those events are designed by employees of a company and it's the second one since they made a return. Imagine if CCP set goals high on this event: scanning, pveing, pvping, hauling, all that good stuff and then things went wrong.
So, they made this one simple: "go to target. shoot bads." and things, understandably, went wrong like last time. Last time it was worse, this time better but still with hiccups. Next time they may nail the formula even better and start varying things up. Maybe they should broaden it from several hours long to a day or two to include all timezones?
Also, I love how Star Citizen the game-that-does-not-even-yet-exist made it into this thread. Let's give it a warm welcome while it's still among us and hasn't crashed into the sea of disappointment.
I could be mistaken, but i believe i'm the only one that mentioned Star Citizen and that was in the context of space games coming out in the future. I don't believe i ever said it was out as you were implying. But yeah it could completely fail and even be the largest gaming scam thus far. since people have been foolish enough to actually 'donate' money to the project.
But the point i was trying to make is that there are many other games out there currently in development or in rebirths condition launching vary soon that gives a lot of the things carebears or high seccers (whatever you want to call them) want in a game.
But lets not start this conversation or they'll use that as an excuse to close the thread.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
348
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:51:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:Epicurus, I think you're deluded. Quote:I think they have earned the chance to have our support whilst they show us with their actions that they mean it. For a company that systematically fails to deal with each and every crisis they face, they surely ask a lot of their customers. So, we've got the lottery scandal, jita burning, somer blink, the TOS changes, and this, just off the top of my mind. Yet you say they've earned our support. Nope, sorry. If I am to believe the dev blog, they're too incompetent to *play* this game, much less direct it. Rest has already been said.
Killerjock, I am saying that this merely buys them the time to prove by their actions they mean it.
I am clearly reading more into this message than you.
You may well however be the one who is right.
I do hope not, because if you are it is all over.
I think after this, we may see a change of .....emphasis. And those who held certain views ... May be a little less in control.
We will see. And we should all watch very very closely to ensure that the values hold.
But we do need to give them the chance to put things right,
And hopefully they will. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
8
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:20:00 -
[1246] - Quote
I have to say having been on the receiving end of the gate camp insta-death was disheartening but not unexpected, hence flying a cheap frigate on a cheap empty jump clone.
My main problem is in the planning of the event, but I like the idea and would rather be constructive than slag off CCP for this hash up. Primarily an organized event should push the back story of EVE forward in some way, otherwise why would it be widely broadcast by the empires.
Secondly either limit the size of the combatant fleets somehow (like wormhole mass limit) or spread the combat across multiple targets, maybe leading to a final target for the survivors/surviving defenders. Preferably the defending fleets should have to make their way to the final target too to stop another gate camp pirate heaven. There is no point to these events if they do not require some kind of tactical skill to have a good outcome.
I agree with the post about the null-sec folks being hunted by bigger null-sec folks, but in truth that was the only true threat to their fleets, the empire forces were practically cannon fodder in this case.
In game lore terms, all Empire forces would have access to tech to allow fleet insertion through covert or brute force means. Even if the gates were taken and held by empire forces to give a beachhead for incoming capsuleer fleets it would have helped to spread the combat and deliver real combat. It makes no sense that the navy forces of the empire would think it a good idea to channel their fleets into a killing field.
CCP need to learn from this and deliver other events but maybe multiple on a smaller scale at first, then build these together into bigger events
I still look forward to the next event in the hope it will be delivered more consistently. This should be a place for suggestions for improvement now I think as its clear most think it didn't work well. |

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
547
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:31:00 -
[1247] - Quote
So I just read the dev blog about the live event and busted out laughing at this question that CCP seemingly asked themselves:
Q. Movement and fleet coordination quickly became a problem. What would you do in future to mitigate these issues?
I can imagine someone who actually FC's in this game and is decent at it screwing up as bad as you guys did... I don't think this is the question that would be raised. Not today spaghetti. |

MadMcMax Ornulf
MadMcMax
12
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:39:00 -
[1248] - Quote
For those familiar with the term 'Spin Doctor' you can see the Dev Blog reply for what it really is. It would appear that CCP has absolved themselves of any blame and responsibility for the event they might have had.
As for the suggestions they made in light of this fracas, if they do not know how to run an event after 10 YEARS of experience with this game, the future of live events does not bode well.
It seems very few of the legitimate concerns this thread has raised have been addressed let alone dealt with. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
48
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:50:00 -
[1249] - Quote
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:It seems very few of the legitimate concerns this thread has raised have been addressed let alone dealt with.
Which are those, exactly?
Because this thread is about 99% tantruming over spilled milk, by volume. |

Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
29
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:52:00 -
[1250] - Quote
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote: It seems very few of the legitimate concerns this thread has raised have been addressed let alone dealt with.
A response that goes through 5+ days of (internal) review should be devoid of any deeper meaning. |
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Tyler Nietzsche
Weyland-Yutani Pan Galactic
29
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:00:00 -
[1251] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote: Which are those, exactly?
Because this thread is about 99% tantruming over spilled milk, by volume.
As I see it, 90% of the volume of comments is about getting the last word in or winning by number of comments. Now I'm doing it. And I have been a bit on the guilty side before. Damn. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
133
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:04:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:I am clearly reading more into this message than you. I think after this, we may see a change of .....emphasis. And those who held certain views ... May be a little less in control.
You certainly are reading a lot in it; but you are wrong on two accounts.
One, we don't HAVE to do anything - it's our money and our time.
Second, there's nothing to put right here. They screwed up big time and nothing in this world will cancel that. What they COULD have done is acknowledge the crisis - which they did not; answer to it in a timely manner - which they did not; avoid taking sides, which they did not.
You seem to think they answered the underlying question of "where is eve going" - but they did not. They did say that future events will be catered to everyone, and that everyone will be treated fairly in them. Which is very unlikely even if everything's perfect; and nothing is perfect in EVE (except my medium blaster skills).
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
348
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:47:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:I am clearly reading more into this message than you. I think after this, we may see a change of .....emphasis. And those who held certain views ... May be a little less in control. You certainly are reading a lot in it; but you are wrong on two accounts. One, we don't HAVE to do anything - it's our money and our time. Second, there's nothing to put right here. They screwed up big time and nothing in this world will cancel that. What they COULD have done is acknowledge the crisis - which they did not; answer to it in a timely manner - which they did not; avoid taking sides, which they did not. You seem to think they answered the underlying question of "where is eve going" - but they did not. They did say that future events will be catered to everyone, and that everyone will be treated fairly in them. Which is very unlikely even if everything's perfect; and nothing is perfect in EVE (except my medium blaster skills).
Quite right, only you can make the decision of how you wish to proceed. Hopefully you will continue to enjoy the game you clearly care about. Second I agree with you 100% although they now admit to serious mistakes, the initial reaction (lack of) threw petrol and explosives on the fire. I believe you said you are a process manager? I am sure you are aware of how effective crisis managers could have handled this so that this would have been less ?. I can't think of the right word here but they really need to consider how they handle things like this in future so people know they are being listened to.
As to whether they meant eve is for everyone and rules in place to (now?) prevent favouritism. I hope so otherwise would they mention them in a document that had such scrutiny?
I respect your opinion, and I am not by any means giving anyone a clean slate, but what else can they do other than try to do better much much better now?
I do hope they do. I encourage them to. I do have some hope after today. But I will naturally be cautious. And blind trust is not about to happen. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Nico Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:26:00 -
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You have to wake up from that dream that you actualy can have an impatc in EVE or on Devs .. CSM is a joke, just like any voting in any country is.
CCP will NEVER acknowledge their fault, just like in Real Life any politic or company will never do. Proove it in court they all say /i didnt ment CCP here/... And its a cowards way.
They have to do nothing, cause you rage and thats it, but you still play this "sandbox", and every time you rage, or post your opinions to other sites, not only to forums, they will get even more credit and e-Fame, so more people will know about EVE and maybe they join to play. So they still think its a good thing to screw up!
You see, the problem here is, that its a company. They have abandoned their "gamers life" a long time ago, cause now they need profit to make or they can shut it down.
EVE online gets more and more to that point where you will pay your monthly fee and your PLEX so you can have isk for pvp, cause with all those changes now, all i see is that farming isk is geting harder and harder.
I DONT WANNA FEEL LIKE I HAVE A SECOND F*******G JOB! I wanna have fun and play a game i liked! But that time has passed for me.
So sad it sounds, i think CCP is preparing to sell EVE Online to EA.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
286
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:46:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:From this thread Dev Blog: Operation Spectre - Event Breakdown and FAQPhoenix Jones wrote: - Stream the event LIVE from CCP Headquarters - Excellent idea that I quite like but can you imagine if "Operation Spectacle" had been streamed how bad it might have affected CCP? They need to really dig down deep and sort these events out before this happens. On an improvement front and to combat the Null Bloc a little cos, well if they want a fight lets give them one hellava fight, you could declare that you are Titan Bridging into EVF-456 and the Titan Bridge opens, Fleet jumps, and "Whoooaaaa" along with this: "This is the FC, due to the secrecy required for this mission we had to sow disinformation and you were not bridged to where we told you we would be going. Pilots...PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!"
Now the spies in the Fleet will be squawking on comms back to the Null Bloc FC's, Null Bloc will be TB'ing back to where ever the hell we've landed and we'll be all "Come at me bro!" and probably all die in a big ball of flame with a smile while taking the pod goo express to a clone in a Hi-Sec Station shouting on comms "What a ride, what a ride!" Now that's how you get around spies and that would be an awesome fight I would gladly bring a decent fit to! EDIT: If it is part of the game to spy and try to disrupt then surely it would be reasonable that you can put out disinformation on the objectives etc. This maintains the secrecy in both the "Chronicle" and the lore along with the "excitement of the unknown" for the participants while ensuring that those not accustomed to Fleet Warfare get some time in fleet to do something i.e. "PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!" and the Null Blocs logistics get tested along with them being a little on the back foot and not sitting at a gate waiting for the barrel to be delivered full of the juicy fish. 
That wouldn't really cause our FCs to scramble and try to reach the target. It'd be more like "Welp, seems like we got shafted by CCP gentlemen." with the decisions that followed mostly guided by how far off target are we. Shooting people is fun, but if things end before we can arrive we'll just go home and treat it as yet another case of 'blueballs'. Disappointing but it happens. It's not an R64 or a CSAA to rush to defend it at all costs - while the operation "let's punch CONCORD in their spacehorse" had people attend it, it wasn't strategic.
Titans cost ISK and risk to run, they have limited bridge range, require a fleet being in system so a mis-bridge would cost us fuel, time to return and reposition or time to burn. Does this sound like :effort:? It kind of is :effort:, unless people want to have fun at all cost the fleet will likely burn home.
Why burn home? Because the only really mobile bridging ship is a Black Ops. With short-lasting nearly undetectable cynos (can still get probed down) and costing only around a billion (or less if it's a basic pig fit) it can be dropped about to move a sneaky squad. A Titan costs... last killboard numbers put it at eighty times that + fittings, though I heard they went down a tad since then. To bridge a fleet back you'd need to deploy a safe tower, jump in a titan (without the fleet knowing - there may be real spies about), bridge the fleet back, jump back the titan. It costs fuel, stront, and is too damn risky.
People should, instead of relying on CCP to give them an easy taxi (yes, I get it, riding a Titan bridge rocks. They should let people experience it, the first time you do it it's awesome. They should also have a CCP Dev commit the most common Titan Pilot mistake. The wrong button, please do press it.) and weaken the defenders for them - start organizing themselves.
No titan? Get into a corporation that owns a Titan. CCP provides a Titan bridge? Good - get into a squad of your own folk, set up a doctrine, get some logis, maybe a booster. Get at least someone who knows his spaceships to call primaries, organize and move together. Learn. Don't ask to be spoonfed fun, go punch a bear and rip the fun out of his bloodied guts.
As full of chestbeating, dickwaving and overall "Hooga booga, we best, we best!" we are, getting an alliance fleet up and running and reliably using it to smack someone about isn't as easy as it sounds. Each thing that benefits the fleet and increases its chances of success is an investment - Titans and appropriate pilots for them need to be purchased/built. Everyone can FC in theory but in practice fleet FCs - especially good fleet FCs - are valuable assets.
Asking CCP to punish people who exert control over certain space because of their experience and gathered assets in this situation is an idea so bad it folds in on itself, becomes good and then plunges again to bad. It breaks the sandbox to create a themepark: "are you tall enough to ride THE TITAN?!". Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

Luca Lure
Obertura
13
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:52:00 -
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I do understand why it took 5 days for this devpost. They had to read about 2500 replies from angry people with good arguements and come with a text that makes it look like they made some minor mistakes. I have to give it to CCP, they really are good at sweettalking the mess they created here. |

White Carol
Minmatar Brotherhood
1
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:28:00 -
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Luca Lure wrote:I do understand why it took 5 days for this devpost. They had to read about 2500 replies from angry people with good arguements and come with a text that makes it look like they made some minor mistakes. I have to give it to CCP, they really are good at sweettalking the mess they created here.
On that topic:
1. "The Empire representative actors logged in and started to interact with people, forming them up and telling them where to go." -This is a flat out lie. I sat in the live events channel x-ing for fleet until an hour after the event was to begin. Everyone in channel with me was x-ing up as well. I noticed that the same people were doing this over and over again. I then asked, "Is anyone actually getting into a fleet?" The answer was no.
2. "With a ready supply of intelligence from the fleet, several alliances had set up a wall of warp interdiction bubbles inside the gate that led to Doril. Word of this got back to the Empire forces and they sat outside the gate, pondering the possible fate of those who had joined them." - Why the hell didn't you developers who are aware of what is going on in null sec, warn your noob army of the risks which they couldn't possibly have been aware of? You owe any player >6 mos old a full replacement for whatever they lost.
3. "Word of this got back to the Empire forces and they sat outside the gate, pondering the possible fate of those who had joined them. In the end, the need to destroy their pirate laboratory target was too great and they ordered the fleet to jump into the gate camp. Though this spelled certain death for a portion of their fleet, they hoped to get enough people through to reach their final destination and stop the pirates research." -WOW, why the hell did you think you could lead a fleet of noobs through this? Did you tell them your plan was to sacrifice some to get to some dumb ass destination where you had a totally safe fleet waiting to crush whatever made it through? - I don't know who these devs are in the game, but I would bet my wallet that none of them are as good at this game as most null sec fcs.
Lastly, nice try devs. The live event was a TOTAL failure. |

Balaster McNugget
Meat Slurry Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:32:00 -
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I, Balaster McNugget (Balaster of the buddy system), am pretty new to EVE. However I am already a hardened PVP Vet, coming here after years of classic EQ pvp and now emulated EQ classic PvP.
I find this hilarious, and wish that I could have made the event to die too. |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
8
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:42:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote: - Stream the event LIVE from CCP Headquarters -
Asking CCP to punish people who exert control over certain space because of their experience and gathered assets in this situation is an idea so bad it folds in on itself, becomes good and then plunges again to bad. It breaks the sandbox to create a themepark: "are you tall enough to ride THE TITAN?!".[/quote]
agreed, nobody should be punished for how well they have done in the game, for the control and strengths they have gathered, I'm preferring the idea for these events of a non-targeted one way gate to fire fleets into system at random locations...then everyone starts on an even setting and the fleets that fight best get their rewards.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
8
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:51:00 -
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my point of view on this excursion was that I'm new, I want to see what EVE has to offer especially in terms of mass fleet actions and I expected at least a fair chance at that. Most of the complaints here are because people are disgruntled with just being pushed through the gate shaped mincer.
If I'd gotten blown up actually fighting in an action under orders from my fleet command actually trying to achieve something then fine, that was (i thought) the point of the event. People accept they will lose ships, but don't expect to be led to throw them away. |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
48
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:22:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
If I'd gotten blown up actually fighting in an action under orders from my fleet command actually trying to achieve something then fine, that was (i thought) the point of the event. People accept they will lose ships, but don't expect to be led to throw them away.
I consider my ships to be in a prolonged, extremely-slow-motion state of exploding as soon as I undock with them. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
531
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Posted - 2013.11.15 02:56:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
If I'd gotten blown up actually fighting in an action under orders from my fleet command actually trying to achieve something then fine, that was (i thought) the point of the event. People accept they will lose ships, but don't expect to be led to throw them away.
I consider my ships to be in a prolonged, extremely-slow-motion state of exploding as soon as I undock with them. Which still has nothing to do with the complete screw up of the event by CCP. The rage is NOT OVER DYING. We are going to say this again and again. It is over CCP not even giving most of the several thousand high sec players a chance to even get to the event before they called it over so they could go and drink and party with their friends upstairs.
CCP; How on earth were High sec meant to win when you call the event over when most of them are still in low sec even. Your Dev Blog is a blatant white wash, and rewriting history with outright lies. I was annoyed before over the mismanagement of the event. Now I'm actually angry because you are lying about the event. |

Wedgetail
Helix Pulse Brothers of Tangra
59
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Posted - 2013.11.15 03:46:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Which still has nothing to do with the complete screw up of the event by CCP. The rage is NOT OVER DYING. We are going to say this again and again. It is over CCP not even giving most of the several thousand high sec players a chance to even get to the event before they called it over so they could go and drink and party with their friends upstairs.
CCP; How on earth were High sec meant to win when you call the event over when most of them are still in low sec even. Your Dev Blog is a blatant white wash, and rewriting history with outright lies. I was annoyed before over the mismanagement of the event. Now I'm actually angry because you are lying about the event.
the blog was structured to provide players with a legitimate line of reasoning excusing their choices.
the issue is they sided with hardware and digits over the state of their players, they prioritized their physical assets over their sentimental/intellectual ones and so harmed their players and themselves.
most will not understand that ccp has made the wrong choices and so will accept the blog's explanation as "oh well... they did try and had a reason.."
the issue is that for those of us who have done this before we know better, if they are continually let off for making these inadequate choices then they will continue to make them under the presumption that they will continue to work.
their line choice and reason/priority is a line of neglect not growth, and will not solve to the improvement of anything. |

Constantin Baracca
243
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Posted - 2013.11.15 05:09:00 -
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Wedgetail wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Which still has nothing to do with the complete screw up of the event by CCP. The rage is NOT OVER DYING. We are going to say this again and again. It is over CCP not even giving most of the several thousand high sec players a chance to even get to the event before they called it over so they could go and drink and party with their friends upstairs.
CCP; How on earth were High sec meant to win when you call the event over when most of them are still in low sec even. Your Dev Blog is a blatant white wash, and rewriting history with outright lies. I was annoyed before over the mismanagement of the event. Now I'm actually angry because you are lying about the event.
the blog was structured to provide players with a legitimate line of reasoning excusing their choices. the issue is they sided with hardware and digits over the state of their players, they prioritized their physical assets over their sentimental/intellectual ones and so harmed their players and themselves. most will not understand that ccp has made the wrong choices and so will accept the blog's explanation as "oh well... they did try and had a reason.." the issue is that for those of us who have done this before we know better, if they are continually let off for making these inadequate choices then they will continue to make them under the presumption that they will continue to work. their line choice and reason/priority is a line of neglect not growth, and will not solve to the improvement of anything.
I kind of agree that they seem to be hiding behind a network of hardware and software excuses, but don't seem necessarily interested in solving those issues. As if those shortfalls aren't resolvable issues. I mean, if a player complains that he doesn't have the necessary tool because of a code issue, that's not the player's fault. When we're talking about the actual developers of the game saying, "We can't do this because of our software or hardware, so we work around the issue..." it does beg the question why they aren't throwing their shoulders into solving those issues.
I think more damning that all about this is simply that CCP doesn't seem to actually know what's going on. They didn't foresee time dilation occurring? They couldn't see that their route wound through a warzone and then, when they knew, it was just too late to change the route in-flight? They didn't think moving a group early might throw their entire schedule off? They thought jumping a fleet as a steady trickle through a gate was a good way to deal with a gate camp?
To take the dev's blog post at their word would require us to literally assume that the devs are capable of a level of incompetence that would be astounding. It would be like an architect that doesn't put more than one door in because he didn't think about what might happen if a fire started, or putting one toilet in a stadium because he figured people would pee at home and wouldn't buy their expensive sodas.
The really sad thing is that... yeah, I actually do believe it. Against all odds, I really just don't think CCP knows how any of this works. I take them at their word that they didn't plan this correctly, didn't know what their own game would do to their event, and didn't come up with the easy answers like available NPC titans for bridging or organized, pre-chosen, experienced player FCs before we did.
In the end, I'm not sure if I'd prefer that to them being malicious. At least if they were just being pricks, it would matter if we called them out on it. If they're really not sure how to run an event or even to fix issues within their game, what exactly can we say to make the situation better? They may really, honestly not know any better. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
796
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:30:00 -
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Is the new former EA guy doing due diligence? Is CCP trying to prove they can run live events like EA to be bought by them? This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
134
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:55:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:I kind of agree that they seem to be hiding behind a network of hardware and software excuses, but don't seem necessarily interested in solving those issues. As if those shortfalls aren't resolvable issues. I mean, if a player complains that he doesn't have the necessary tool because of a code issue, that's not the player's fault. When we're talking about the actual developers of the game saying, "We can't do this because of our software or hardware, so we work around the issue..." it does beg the question why they aren't throwing their shoulders into solving those issues.
I mostly agree with your post, but as a professional developer of my own I feel I need to drop a line on this :)
Software development on old, complex software is a lot like doing card castles - everytime you add something you run the risk of crumbling the castle. Also, optimization is one of the hardest part of any software dev cycle: if the code is REALLY bad to begin with, it's easy to optimize.... but the risk to break it is a lot higher; if the code is good, then it's easier to manage... but it's probably well thought of and difficult to improve. When you're on a tight schedule, and show me one developer who isn't, you can't just drop everything and start fixing whatever it is you'd like to fix.
That the tools aren't there can't be blamed on the people organizing this event. But this does not mean they can hide behind that - if I know I don't have a truck I do not tell everyone I'll be hauling their stuff around!! They knew perfectly what tools were at their disposal, and they still attempted to deliver something that was not possible by using inadequate tools. So while I give them that they could not possibly fix the tools in time, it is still utterly a fault of the organizing team. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
994
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Posted - 2013.11.15 07:57:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Excellent idea that I quite like but can you imagine if "Operation Spectacle" had been streamed how bad it might have affected CCP? They need to really dig down deep and sort these events out before this happens. On an improvement front and to combat the Null Bloc a little cos, well if they want a fight lets give them one hellava fight, you could declare that you are Titan Bridging into EVF-456 and the Titan Bridge opens, Fleet jumps, and "Whoooaaaa" along with this: "This is the FC, due to the secrecy required for this mission we had to sow disinformation and you were not bridged to where we told you we would be going. Pilots...PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!"
Now the spies in the Fleet will be squawking on comms back to the Null Bloc FC's, Null Bloc will be TB'ing back to where ever the hell we've landed and we'll be all "Come at me bro!" and probably all die in a big ball of flame with a smile while taking the pod goo express to a clone in a Hi-Sec Station shouting on comms "What a ride, what a ride!" Now that's how you get around spies and that would be an awesome fight I would gladly bring a decent fit to! EDIT: If it is part of the game to spy and try to disrupt then surely it would be reasonable that you can put out disinformation on the objectives etc. This maintains the secrecy in both the "Chronicle" and the lore along with the "excitement of the unknown" for the participants while ensuring that those not accustomed to Fleet Warfare get some time in fleet to do something i.e. "PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!" and the Null Blocs logistics get tested along with them being a little on the back foot and not sitting at a gate waiting for the barrel to be delivered full of the juicy fish.  That wouldn't really cause our FCs to scramble and try to reach the target. It'd be more like "Welp, seems like we got shafted by CCP gentlemen." with the decisions that followed mostly guided by how far off target are we. Shooting people is fun, but if things end before we can arrive we'll just go home and treat it as yet another case of 'blueballs'. Disappointing but it happens. It's not an R64 or a CSAA to rush to defend it at all costs - while the operation "let's punch CONCORD in their spacehorse" had people attend it, it wasn't strategic. Titans cost ISK and risk to run, they have limited bridge range, require a fleet being in system so a mis-bridge would cost us fuel, time to return and reposition or time to burn. Does this sound like :effort:? It kind of is :effort:, unless people want to have fun at all cost the fleet will likely burn home. Why burn home? Because the only really mobile bridging ship is a Black Ops. With short-lasting nearly undetectable cynos (can still get probed down) and costing only around a billion (or less if it's a basic pig fit) it can be dropped about to move a sneaky squad. A Titan costs... last killboard numbers put it at eighty times that + fittings, though I heard they went down a tad since then. To bridge a fleet back you'd need to deploy a safe tower, jump in a titan (without the fleet knowing - there may be real spies about), bridge the fleet back, jump back the titan. It costs fuel, stront, and is too damn risky. People should, instead of relying on CCP to give them an easy taxi (yes, I get it, riding a Titan bridge rocks. They should let people experience it, the first time you do it it's awesome. They should also have a CCP Dev commit the most common Titan Pilot mistake. The wrong button, please do press it.) and weaken the defenders for them - start organizing themselves. No titan? Get into a corporation that owns a Titan. CCP provides a Titan bridge? Good - get into a squad of your own folk, set up a doctrine, get some logis, maybe a booster. Get at least someone who knows his spaceships to call primaries, organize and move together. Learn. Don't ask to be spoonfed fun, go punch a bear and rip the fun out of his bloodied guts. As full of chestbeating, dickwaving and overall "Hooga booga, we best, we best!" we are, getting an alliance fleet up and running and reliably using it to smack someone about isn't as easy as it sounds. Each thing that benefits the fleet and increases its chances of success is an investment - Titans and appropriate pilots for them need to be purchased/built. Everyone can FC in theory but in practice fleet FCs - especially good fleet FCs - are valuable assets. Asking CCP to punish people who exert control over certain space because of their experience and gathered assets in this situation is an idea so bad it folds in on itself, becomes good and then plunges again to bad. It breaks the sandbox to create a themepark: "are you tall enough to ride THE TITAN?!".
Thank you for posting this up, it was an interesting read. I certainly wouldn't advocate punishing any one player style or group of players and I didn't mean to do that in the roughly thrown together idea I had I just didn't know everything to do with Titan Bridging. This is an interesting thing to bear in mind and maybe CCP could open communications with the large entities to get some co-ordination together.
All that being said the live event fleet was massively disadvantaged in this and the cost to everyone (not that it wasn't unexpected or uncommitted at the offset) involved does mean that the fleets from hi-sec paid a lot in logistics and assets for this event. I truly hope that a happy balance can be found.
I do appreciate the time you took to fully explain the logistics required in Titan Bridging and I hope that CCP learn something from it and not to screw over any one particular side. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Lenroc Elisav
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.15 08:44:00 -
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It takes a man to understand and accept an apology from your eyes in the ground and you first reaching out for a handshake. That's because men know we are susceptible to mistakes and that's the way we want to apologize.
It takes a woman to look at you groveling in your knees with your head in the dirt to say: "I don't think your apologies are genuine. Kiss my feet if you mean them", That's because women are perfect and never make mistakes so they are not worried about apologizing .
Lots of womanlike folk in this thread. "Many of you grow a pair have to" says Yoda from a Galaxy far far away from New Eden.
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
349
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Posted - 2013.11.15 08:55:00 -
[1269] - Quote
A large part of the problems seem to revolve around the preconceptions that events need to be large scripted "mega events"
This is always going to be a very difficult thing to achieve with any hardware and software.
When you bring large numbers of naturally antagonistic players together,and try to predict their behaviour then understandably it's not going to end well.
In the real. World events are split into tournaments or finals and semi finals etc to give everyone a chance over a period.
EvE gives us a better way to do that.It is a sandbox,players make their own events and impact every day.
A lore event that causes excitement and interest just needs to combine a little different structure to play in than the normal universe.
Ok thematic situation where a new area of space is opened with many pockets. Some parts of it have very different rules.(like current wh space) players who choose to compete are in here for the week unless they die. (You can save this for a surprise) So they can check in any time they like, but can never leave.
There are sites than contain something Important to the lore.
They also are needed by the state/empire/capsuleers/goons whatever to stabilise this space for their use in future. The winning faction gets sovereignty. Pocket by pocket. Once collected they are carried by the players in their hold until killed or looted, handed to a colleague to hold ,sold to an alliance,or handed in at the end. Either fleets will form to protect and deliver the relics or guerrilla groups play the shell game, or whatever players decide is the best strategy for them.does the buyer honour the promise to pay? or kill you and loot it. Who can be trusted, who pays the most? Amarr may not offer much for example and the Goons pay twice that but do you trust them to pay or blow you up on delivery?
Some areas favour the fighting of fleets, some pirates, some are almost impossible to fight in. These areas are where players can log off and rest during the week long tournament.
Now throw in the fact that over the week players will be collecting the relics that their faction needs to control the space. And will be decided which has the most for control of each pocket at the event termination.Hand in can only happen in the last hour.
As the event approaches the conclusion PvP will get more and more intense as players ambush kill steal and cheat to get the relics already collected. The area around hand in will turn into a massive fur-ball, will it be the biggest gatecamp ever, or a massive game of hunt the courier? Will it end at the last second with a shuttle slipping by unnoticed ? Or thousands of destroyed ships being pillaged and looted in a desperate last minute search for the relics.
So we use the players to generate their own content.you will have big fleets, small skirmish groups,awoxing spies cheating , double dealing, you think of it,we will have it. No concord no rules but the ones you make for yourself.
And all we do is give them a new space to do it in. Should generate more tears/excitement than any scripted event. And all timezones compete. The final side effect is future conflict, if for example Goonswarm wins 3 new pockets of space and amarr republic 2. test 5 gallente 6 etc etc Hmm sounds like good neighbours.....not. Room for new wars and conflict in the future.
CCP the best thing is you do not even need to manage it. Just open the door, let the players go in and throw the hand grenade in! And the players will do the rest and have fun doing it. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
288
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Posted - 2013.11.15 09:17:00 -
[1270] - Quote
Well, we can only encourage CCP to go on - admittedly, the staggering amount of whining in those threads doesn't help - and develop better events. Perhaps spark a massive relic hunt with rewards more than just discovering a small bit of lore. When it's about lore only, and empire one at that, a lot of people will just laugh and walk away unless there's an opportunity for a fight.
Now, think billions of ISK for those involved. When it's down to that, many would throw in more than just a shoddily fitted cheap T1 boat in to get the upper hand. You put meaningful rewards in and there can only be more betrayal and conflict. (Unless null crowd wins again. Then behold, more accusations of favoritism.) Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
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epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
349
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Posted - 2013.11.15 09:23:00 -
[1271] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Well, we can only encourage CCP to go on - admittedly, the staggering amount of whining in those threads doesn't help - and develop better events. Perhaps spark a massive relic hunt with rewards more than just discovering a small bit of lore. When it's about lore only, and empire one at that, a lot of people will just laugh and walk away unless there's an opportunity for a fight.
Now, think billions of ISK for those involved. When it's down to that, many would throw in more than just a shoddily fitted cheap T1 boat in to get the upper hand. You put meaningful rewards in and there can only be more betrayal and conflict. (Unless null crowd wins again. Then behold, more accusations of favoritism.) Trii just was in the process of updating and broadening the post above taking account of your excellent ideas.
This gives every block or faction the chance of new space Even the Goons! There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
23
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:39:00 -
[1272] - Quote
Actually I didn't feel that it was this particular event, the reason I stayed away this time is because the last few events had been poorly organized and ran, so for me its a culmination of events. Also, the mention of gathering resources for a live event to please industry type players was already done with the arek jaalen project, which CCP haven't finished and in all likelihood probably never will. |

Chi Garu
Dos Dedos Inc
3
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:01:00 -
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Lenroc Elisav wrote:It takes a man to understand and accept an apology from your eyes in the ground and you first reaching out for a handshake. That's because men know we are susceptible to mistakes and that's the way we want to apologize. It takes a woman to look at you groveling in your knees with your head in the dirt to say: "I don't think your apologies are genuine. Kiss my feet if you mean them", That's because women are perfect and never make mistakes so they are not worried about apologizing  . Lots of womanlike folk in this thread. "Many of you grow a pair have to" says Yoda from a Galaxy far far away from New Eden.
Thankyou for sharing your opinions, Captain Misogyny! |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
119
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:05:00 -
[1274] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Well, we can only encourage CCP to go on - admittedly, the staggering amount of whining in those threads doesn't help - and develop better events. Perhaps spark a massive relic hunt with rewards more than just discovering a small bit of lore. When it's about lore only, and empire one at that, a lot of people will just laugh and walk away unless there's an opportunity for a fight.
Now, think billions of ISK for those involved. When it's down to that, many would throw in more than just a shoddily fitted cheap T1 boat in to get the upper hand. You put meaningful rewards in and there can only be more betrayal and conflict. (Unless null crowd wins again. Then behold, more accusations of favoritism.)
i think when it comes to anything requiring organisation and structure on a reasonable scale that most the null sec powers and possibly some of the low sec powers would have the upper hand. Possibly the only real high sec powers that might have the cohesion to put up a fight (up to say 80 ppl) might be any dedicated high sec pvp entities if they exist, or the most intense incursion mob.
And i dont think thats a bad thing because to exist where they exist (the low/null esp null lot) cohesion and teamwork and all that come together for a cause stuff matters alot. if they want to keep thier space.
Still dont think feeding veteran teams of killers bite size portions of unorganised high seccers for an hour really makes for an enthralling and compeling live event, or even content. I mean goons could probably do a whole lot better job, in highsec itself and make a ton more isk from the loot. That would probably be worthy of news articles |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
9
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:14:00 -
[1275] - Quote
So in terms of future events i'm gueesing most would like to see:
- Smaller better orgsanized events - Correctly sized events to minimize TiDi - A mix of events around different areas, not just combat - events should provide additional lore, introduce new lore, and otherwise be relavent to the EVE backdrop - but should not be driven purely for lore, there should be some payback for those involved
A good example may be the ghost site trailer they just released (but not necessarily ghost sites for events)
various sites to explore in low-sec or a newly opened wormhole (so not to infringe on someone's hard earned home). Limited number of places, first come first served on a PLEX authorization code found in game from data sites/loot drop/trade
then everyone has a fair chance to go on the missions and fleets will inevitably meet then they can choose their approach, stealth, evasion, outright fight.
would be a much more rich experience for those involved I think |

Lenroc Elisav
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:15:00 -
[1276] - Quote
Chi Garu wrote:Lenroc Elisav wrote:It takes a man to understand and accept an apology from your eyes in the ground and you first reaching out for a handshake. That's because men know we are susceptible to mistakes and that's the way we want to apologize. It takes a woman to look at you groveling in your knees with your head in the dirt to say: "I don't think your apologies are genuine. Kiss my feet if you mean them", That's because women are perfect and never make mistakes so they are not worried about apologizing  . Lots of womanlike folk in this thread. "Many of you grow a pair have to" says Yoda from a Galaxy far far away from New Eden. Thankyou for sharing your opinions, Captain Misogyny!
HaHaHa You were quick to jump on that, guess it hit a nerve . Harsh reality is not misogyny, well maybe a little when you generalize it like I did .
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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:21:00 -
[1277] - Quote
I'm not tech savvy, but can't "nodes be reinforced", ( don't know if that's the right term to use ), before AND during, when it's needed?
Doesn't seem to show that CCP had prepared for this event at all. And it seems that the CCP staff running the event, don't even know how to play the very game they are working on. ( Not that I'm saying that I know how to excel at Eve, infact I actually suck at it  ).
FYI, I did not participate in this event. |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
9
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:41:00 -
[1278] - Quote
Depends what they mean by reinforced, if their hardware is virtualised they could take the test servers offline and throw the resources at the live servers, but it all depends on the hardware setup etc...its not as easy as it sounds :D
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
9
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:47:00 -
[1279] - Quote
just a thought, the event fed a bunch of us hi-sec folks to battle-hardened combat pilots en-masse which was basically a turkey shoot and I can't imagine it was really that much fun for the null-sec folks (where was the challenge?)
If they did this the other way around however with limited flow of null-sec fleets getting through to hi-sec to plunder an empire base *that* could be interesting, the advantage of the better pilot skills/ships of the null-seccers would be mitigated by the numbers of hi-sec folks waiting for them.
I'm not thinking of a way to feed null-secs into a grinding mill here, everything else I have previously said about random insert points etc (easily done with a worm-hole exit point whipping around in hi-sec. This would however give the hi-secs a chance to be organized and test the null-secs skills against much bigger fleets than usual. This would also spread combat across many systems to ease TiDi effects. Would make more sense in lore terms to, with capsuleer incursions into empire space. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
995
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:55:00 -
[1280] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:just a thought, the event fed a bunch of us hi-sec folks to battle-hardened combat pilots en-masse which was basically a turkey shoot and I can't imagine it was really that much fun for the null-sec folks (where was the challenge?)
If they did this the other way around however with limited flow of null-sec fleets getting through to hi-sec to plunder an empire base *that* could be interesting, the advantage of the better pilot skills/ships of the null-seccers would be mitigated by the numbers of hi-sec folks waiting for them.
I'm not thinking of a way to feed null-secs into a grinding mill here, everything else I have previously said about random insert points etc (easily done with a worm-hole exit point whipping around in hi-sec. This would however give the hi-secs a chance to be organized and test the null-secs skills against much bigger fleets than usual. This would also spread combat across many systems to ease TiDi effects. Would make more sense in lore terms to, with capsuleer incursions into empire space.
With that you would essentially be telling people in whatever system to either join in or GTFO while the LE is in progress. Once you get Null Bloc entities into Hi-Sec (I'm not saying that they don't get in now) but imagine if you will -10's being granted a "safe time passage" to Hi-Sec and the carnage they could do if they ignored the LE Fleet\Objective and went on a rampage instead.
Just something to consider. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
9
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:02:00 -
[1281] - Quote
true, there would need to be some mechanism to keep the fleets in place, not allow them free reign...large CONDORD fleets to create a cordon or something, capsuleers as the cutting edge to *attempt* to take the null-seccers out
if its a wormhole then the time open would be finite too so a null sec fleet if not careful could have to fight their way back through CONCORD hell (if at all)
just trying to think of better ways to run these events that can include everyone but in a more balanced way |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
995
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:06:00 -
[1282] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:just a thought, the event fed a bunch of us hi-sec folks to battle-hardened combat pilots en-masse which was basically a turkey shoot and I can't imagine it was really that much fun for the null-sec folks (where was the challenge?)
If they did this the other way around however with limited flow of null-sec fleets getting through to hi-sec to plunder an empire base *that* could be interesting, the advantage of the better pilot skills/ships of the null-seccers would be mitigated by the numbers of hi-sec folks waiting for them.
I'm not thinking of a way to feed null-secs into a grinding mill here, everything else I have previously said about random insert points etc (easily done with a worm-hole exit point whipping around in hi-sec. This would however give the hi-secs a chance to be organized and test the null-secs skills against much bigger fleets than usual. This would also spread combat across many systems to ease TiDi effects. Would make more sense in lore terms to, with capsuleer incursions into empire space. With that you would essentially be telling people in whatever system to either join in or GTFO while the LE is in progress. Once you get Null Bloc entities into Hi-Sec (I'm not saying that they don't get in now) but imagine if you will -10's being granted a "safe time passage" to Hi-Sec and the carnage they could do if they ignored the LE Fleet\Objective and went on a rampage instead. Just something to consider.
An edit and thought update on this was this is exactly what happened with the The Battle for Caldari Prime so it's not unprecedented and everyone in the system was flagged with suspect timers. I guess whichever way you look at this giving any one side immunity from damage or "safe passage" is not wanted by either side but the ability to take part in one way or another is but the effect of giving -10's would far more adversely affect the playerbase than Titan Bridging a Hi-Sec Kitchen Sink fleet into Null I think but still some things to think about. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
995
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:08:00 -
[1283] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:just trying to think of better ways to run these events that can include everyone but in a more balanced way
This I think is what we all would like and are trying to do and it's a good to see some people really getting into "What would make this better...." thinking mode.
Great stuff, I have to say. Possibly swing by the Dev Blog and add your thoughts in there as well (if CCP Goliath with grant you an audience that is  ) as I believe that's where they are looking mostly. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
9
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:16:00 -
[1284] - Quote
I'm new so have never seen these events before, however there has to be a better way to stage them as feeding hi-secs into null is going to result in lots and lots of dead hi-sec clones...even if you survived whats the chance of a hi-sec egetting back through null with a full cargo hold when the route is known in advance?
Makes it pointless for the hi-secs to join.
There also need to be other kinds of events, EVE isn't just about combat. A large part of the player base will be explorers/miners/industrials. These should be catered for too. Ghost sites will be like mini events from what I've seen but will be rare and you will need to be skilled/lucky to gain from them. This I think will benefit the already rich and skilled players far more. Events should be created for all levels of players to maintain balance. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
995
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:19:00 -
[1285] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm new so have never seen these events before, however there has to be a better way to stage them as feeding hi-secs into null is going to result in lots and lots of dead hi-sec clones...even if you survived whats the chance of a hi-sec egetting back through null with a full cargo hold when the route is known in advance?
Makes it pointless for the hi-secs to join.
There also need to be other kinds of events, EVE isn't just about combat. A large part of the player base will be explorers/miners/industrials. These should be catered for too. Ghost sites will be like mini events from what I've seen but will be rare and you will need to be skilled/lucky to gain from them. This I think will benefit the already rich and skilled players far more. Events should be created for all levels of players to maintain balance.
The only ever LE I've made it to and IMHO the best thus far was the Sanctuary Image Contest. It ran for three weeks, you had a week to complete it and while the destinations were there for all to see people were smart, researched least active times and used intel to get in and get those pictures without dying. I got as far as week one due to IRL time constraints but it was awesome. Got a Zephr out of it for my efforts. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
349
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:47:00 -
[1286] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm new so have never seen these events before, however there has to be a better way to stage them as feeding hi-secs into null is going to result in lots and lots of dead hi-sec clones...even if you survived whats the chance of a hi-sec egetting back through null with a full cargo hold when the route is known in advance?
Makes it pointless for the hi-secs to join.
There also need to be other kinds of events, EVE isn't just about combat. A large part of the player base will be explorers/miners/industrials. These should be catered for too. Ghost sites will be like mini events from what I've seen but will be rare and you will need to be skilled/lucky to gain from them. This I think will benefit the already rich and skilled players far more. Events should be created for all levels of players to maintain balance. The only ever LE I've made it to and IMHO the best thus far was the Sanctuary Image Contest. It ran for three weeks, you had a week to complete it and while the destinations were there for all to see people were smart, researched least active times and used intel to get in and get those pictures without dying. I got as far as week one due to IRL time constraints but it was awesome. Got a Zephr out of it for my efforts.
Corraidhin and Maximus.
I am pretty sure it is clear that when CCP do "bite size" events they can go really well. it is the giant game-spanning events which involve thousands that have the potential (and often/always do) turn into Gigantic clusterfracks.
One lesson I hope is being learned is that trying to use the existing tools and trying to control thousands of disparate players with totally different expectations is just not going to end well.
Your Ideas (and mine) regarding breaking the events into small mini events hit the mark ,giving everyone a chance to do something, ie. mining manufacturing etc etc leading to a major final conflict, that CCP limit the numbers to either by players succeeding at the mini-events and earning a right of entry or the result of all of the mini-events deciding the size.
The other option is to run a week long event, that players enter and it concludes a week later, seperate from normal space running on separate equipment. CCP creates a sandbox with separate rules and rewards to normal EvE and it is up to the players as to what they make of it. player behavior will determine the result. And if it Fracks up tzhe players did it to themselves. I posted thoughts earlier that give more details. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3878026#post3878026
CCP can do either or both of these but the live events as they stand, are just setting themselves up for disaster. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
995
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:55:00 -
[1287] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm new so have never seen these events before, however there has to be a better way to stage them as feeding hi-secs into null is going to result in lots and lots of dead hi-sec clones...even if you survived whats the chance of a hi-sec egetting back through null with a full cargo hold when the route is known in advance?
Makes it pointless for the hi-secs to join.
There also need to be other kinds of events, EVE isn't just about combat. A large part of the player base will be explorers/miners/industrials. These should be catered for too. Ghost sites will be like mini events from what I've seen but will be rare and you will need to be skilled/lucky to gain from them. This I think will benefit the already rich and skilled players far more. Events should be created for all levels of players to maintain balance. The only ever LE I've made it to and IMHO the best thus far was the Sanctuary Image Contest. It ran for three weeks, you had a week to complete it and while the destinations were there for all to see people were smart, researched least active times and used intel to get in and get those pictures without dying. I got as far as week one due to IRL time constraints but it was awesome. Got a Zephr out of it for my efforts. Corraidhin and Maximus. I am pretty sure it is clear that when CCP do "bite size" events they can go really well. it is the giant game-spanning events which involve thousands that have the potential (and often/always do) turn into Gigantic clusterfracks. One lesson I hope is being learned is that trying to use the existing tools and trying to control thousands of disparate players with totally different expectations is just not going to end well.  Your Ideas (and mine) regarding breaking the events into small mini events hit the mark ,giving everyone a chance to do something, ie. mining manufacturing etc etc leading to a major final conflict, that CCP limit the numbers to either by players succeeding at the mini-events and earning a right of entry or the result of all of the mini-events deciding the size. The other option is to run a week long event, that players enter and it concludes a week later, seperate from normal space running on separate equipment. CCP creates a sandbox with separate rules and rewards to normal EvE and it is up to the players as to what they make of it. player behavior will determine the result. And if it Fracks up tzhe players did it to themselves. I posted thoughts earlier that give more details. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3878026#post3878026CCP can do either or both of these but the live events as they stand, are just setting themselves up for disaster.
I don't think removing the Live Events from the sandbox into an arena is really in the spirit of why people want to do them. I agree that smaller scale multi-discipline events all culminating into some larger encompassing event that drives the lore would be a much better way to go and this could run over weeks\months in the build up.
I think they should really try this style before committing to another massive LE and perhaps see how many do attend each part and base the "projected attendance" of the culmination event off of this. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
349
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:01:00 -
[1288] - Quote
Maximus Aerelius wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm new so have never seen these events before, however there has to be a better way to stage them as feeding hi-secs into null is going to result in lots and lots of dead hi-sec clones...even if you survived whats the chance of a hi-sec egetting back through null with a full cargo hold when the route is known in advance?
Makes it pointless for the hi-secs to join.
There also need to be other kinds of events, EVE isn't just about combat. A large part of the player base will be explorers/miners/industrials. These should be catered for too. Ghost sites will be like mini events from what I've seen but will be rare and you will need to be skilled/lucky to gain from them. This I think will benefit the already rich and skilled players far more. Events should be created for all levels of players to maintain balance. The only ever LE I've made it to and IMHO the best thus far was the Sanctuary Image Contest. It ran for three weeks, you had a week to complete it and while the destinations were there for all to see people were smart, researched least active times and used intel to get in and get those pictures without dying. I got as far as week one due to IRL time constraints but it was awesome. Got a Zephr out of it for my efforts. Corraidhin and Maximus. I am pretty sure it is clear that when CCP do "bite size" events they can go really well. it is the giant game-spanning events which involve thousands that have the potential (and often/always do) turn into Gigantic clusterfracks. One lesson I hope is being learned is that trying to use the existing tools and trying to control thousands of disparate players with totally different expectations is just not going to end well.  Your Ideas (and mine) regarding breaking the events into small mini events hit the mark ,giving everyone a chance to do something, ie. mining manufacturing etc etc leading to a major final conflict, that CCP limit the numbers to either by players succeeding at the mini-events and earning a right of entry or the result of all of the mini-events deciding the size. The other option is to run a week long event, that players enter and it concludes a week later, seperate from normal space running on separate equipment. CCP creates a sandbox with separate rules and rewards to normal EvE and it is up to the players as to what they make of it. player behavior will determine the result. And if it Fracks up tzhe players did it to themselves. I posted thoughts earlier that give more details. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3878026#post3878026CCP can do either or both of these but the live events as they stand, are just setting themselves up for disaster. I don't think removing the Live Events from the sandbox into an arena is really in the spirit of why people want to do them. I agree that smaller scale multi-discipline events all culminating into some larger encompassing event that drives the lore would be a much better way to go and this could run over weeks\months in the build up. I think they should really try this style before committing to another massive LE and perhaps see how many do attend each part and base the "projected attendance" of the culmination event off of this.
Sorry I was editing the second part to include this link, I'll put it here instead. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3876717#post3876717 that I think shows the build up type of event.
Over all I am trying to say that there are a number of ways to work around the issues they have. The sandbox idea was for If they still have the need to go "mega" with lots of exciting clips and drama without blowing up their existing systems.
These are purely vehicles for thought, not by any way intended to be finished processes. Pick what you like from them if you find any good ideas, and you can expand on them if you wish?. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
10
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:17:00 -
[1289] - Quote
I really like the idea of multiple smaller events giving access to a final event based on previous success, means anyone can take part and those that prove their worth can get into the final area, with the greater rewards it brings...would give a much greater sense of achievement I think.
Large events should only be in response to player driven events like the one that made the news...though CCP would just love to recreate it they can't as it isn't possible to forcibly organize large groups of people. The massive battle that took place did so because two major combatants organized themselves...
regular events culminating in mid-scale fleet battles/research/explo would be much better for everyone and could run much more often |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
995
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:36:00 -
[1290] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I really like the idea of multiple smaller events giving access to a final event based on previous success, means anyone can take part and those that prove their worth can get into the final area, with the greater rewards it brings...would give a much greater sense of achievement I think.
Large events should only be in response to player driven events like the one that made the news...though CCP would just love to recreate it they can't as it isn't possible to forcibly organize large groups of people. The massive battle that took place did so because two major combatants organized themselves...
regular events culminating in mid-scale fleet battles/research/explo would be much better for everyone and could run much more often
Quoted you in the Dev Blog feedback thread. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
11
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:02:00 -
[1291] - Quote
Please also mention that if CCP need any Oracle DBA's and storyline consultants I'd be happy to oblige... |

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
65
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:40:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote: In the end, I'm not sure if I'd prefer that to them being malicious. At least if they were just being pricks, it would matter if we called them out on it. If they're really not sure how to run an event or even to fix issues within their game, what exactly can we say to make the situation better? They may really, honestly not know any better.
Totally Sig-ing this. This is my feelings towards post-Incarna CCP down to a fundamental level. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3636
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:04:00 -
[1293] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:Is the new former EA guy doing due diligence? Is CCP trying to prove they can run live events like EA to be bought by them?
I certainly hope not.
The uber super duper huge mega bigger better faster more live events have proven so far to suck. The nodes can't handle them, the human resources to run them appear to be scarce and in the end, only a lucky few get to actually participate.
If 90 percent of the effort around a live event is just getting to participate, then you know it's being done wrong.
CCP, please do not go in this direction. If anybody took notes during the Sansha live events in 2010-2011, please dig them up and review them.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
277
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:59:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Please also mention that if CCP need any Oracle DBA's and storyline consultants I'd be happy to oblige...  With all the TiDi surely EvE is running on MySQL...or perhaps an MS Access DB? Would you like to know more? |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
351
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:05:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Please also mention that if CCP need any Oracle DBA's and storyline consultants I'd be happy to oblige...  With all the TiDi surely EvE is running on MySQL...or perhaps an MS Access DB? >Microsoft hamsters.
Beta There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4303
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Posted - 2013.11.15 22:33:00 -
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Wedgetail wrote:the issue is they sided with hardware and digits over the state of their players, they prioritized their physical assets over their sentimental/intellectual ones and so harmed their players and themselves.
GǪ
the issue is that for those of us who have done this before we know better, if they are continually let off for making these inadequate choices then they will continue to make them under the presumption that they will continue to work.
Here's an alternate explanation: we have a new live events team who have no experience in running large scale events such as Arek'Jalaan and the Sansha Incursion precursors. CCP Dropbear is no longer part of CCP, so that corpus of experience and dedication to dungeon mastery has to be re-acquired.
Rather than continually rubbing the dog's nose in the poo (which achieves nothing other than a neurotic dog who doesn't trust its master), you need to train the dog to poo in the yard. Note the points from that video:
- Supervision prevents accidents happening
- Encouraging proper behaviour: the easiest way is to reward the dog for pooping in the right place
- Correcting bad behaviour as it happens
- Have a schedule (i.e.: a plan, an expected pattern of behaviour)
Anyone who works with animals, children or people will tell you that violence and negative reinforcement do not lead to positive outcomes. So please, stop using the harsh language, stop punishing the Live Event staff for trying to help you have fun. Look for ways that you can help the Live Events staff build a better experience for everyone. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
351
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Posted - 2013.11.15 23:17:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Wedgetail wrote:the issue is they sided with hardware and digits over the state of their players, they prioritized their physical assets over their sentimental/intellectual ones and so harmed their players and themselves.
GǪ
the issue is that for those of us who have done this before we know better, if they are continually let off for making these inadequate choices then they will continue to make them under the presumption that they will continue to work. Here's an alternate explanation: we have a new live events team who have no experience in running large scale events such as Arek'Jalaan and the Sansha Incursion precursors. CCP Dropbear is no longer part of CCP, so that corpus of experience and dedication to dungeon mastery has to be re-acquired. Rather than continually rubbing the dog's nose in the poo (which achieves nothing other than a neurotic dog who doesn't trust its master), you need to train the dog to poo in the yard. Note the points from that video:
- Supervision prevents accidents happening
- Encouraging proper behaviour: the easiest way is to reward the dog for pooping in the right place
- Correcting bad behaviour as it happens
- Have a schedule (i.e.: a plan, an expected pattern of behaviour)
Anyone who works with animals, children or adult humans will tell you that violence and negative reinforcement do not lead to positive outcomes. So please, stop using the harsh language, stop punishing the Live Event staff for trying to help you have fun. Look for ways that you can help the Live Events staff build a better experience for everyone.
Lol The image.. i need to burn my brain
Doggy part aside, and I do love that.
I totally agree that we now need to help them wherever we can so that WE can have fun and hopefully they can have fun preparing them and running them with us. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
12
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:41:00 -
[1298] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Please also mention that if CCP need any Oracle DBA's and storyline consultants I'd be happy to oblige...  With all the TiDi surely EvE is running on MySQL...or perhaps an MS Access DB?
oh dear lord no...wash your mouth out for suggesting such a thing.... |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
12
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:49:00 -
[1299] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:[quote=Wedgetail]So please, stop using the harsh language, stop punishing the Live Event staff for trying to help you have fun. Look for ways that you can help the Live Events staff build a better experience for everyone.
That was my intention in my comment :) I skipped the first 60-odd pages of the forum for that reason...don't put CCP off but give constructive ideas on events.
I'm pretty sure that if many smaller events are run regularly it will lead to more experienced events staff *and* more experienced fleets who will join...this in itself will inevitably lead to more and larger conflicts. Slowly maybe, but the more organized the newer players become the more likely they will want (and be able to) challenge the larger stronger corps. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2610

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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:38:00 -
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Hi Folks,
We understand completely that there are a number of different opinions about this event. However, whether your experience was positive or negative, we ask that you make your arguments constructively and without antagonizing other users; as that is against the forum rules.
To that end, I've had to remove a few posts from this thread.
It's very valuable to CCP that they read your concerns, so please keep it on the board and hopefully everyone can move on from this and make EVE a better place.
Thanks. ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
34
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:46:00 -
[1301] - Quote
ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi Folks,
We understand completely that there are a number of different opinions about this event. However, whether your experience was positive or negative, we ask that you make your arguments constructively and without antagonizing other users; as that is against the forum rules.
To that end, I've had to remove a few posts from this thread.
It's very valuable to CCP that they read your concerns, so please keep it on the board and hopefully everyone can move on from this and make EVE a better place.
Thanks.
TL; DR: CCP's currently trying to figure out how to fix the fuckup they just did, and are once again resorting to ISD to do their dirty work on the forums so they dont have to answer the playerbase. |

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
141
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:05:00 -
[1302] - Quote
Balaster McNugget wrote:I, Balaster McNugget (Balaster of the buddy system), am pretty new to EVE. However I am already a hardened PVP Vet, coming here after years of classic EQ pvp and now emulated EQ classic PvP.
You will find that EVE's pvp is probably unlike anything else you've experience in a game.
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Wedgetail
Helix Pulse Brothers of Tangra
68
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:43:00 -
[1303] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Here's an alternate explanation: we have a new live events team who have no experience in running large scale events such as Arek'Jalaan and the Sansha Incursion precursors. CCP Dropbear is no longer part of CCP, so that corpus of experience and dedication to dungeon mastery has to be re-acquired. Rather than continually rubbing the dog's nose in the poo (which achieves nothing other than a neurotic dog who doesn't trust its master), you need to train the dog to poo in the yard. Note the points from that video:
- Supervision prevents accidents happening
- Encouraging proper behaviour: the easiest way is to reward the dog for pooping in the right place
- Correcting bad behaviour as it happens
- Have a schedule (i.e.: a plan, an expected pattern of behaviour)
Anyone who works with animals, children or adult humans will tell you that violence and negative reinforcement do not lead to positive outcomes. So please, stop using the harsh language, stop punishing the Live Event staff for trying to help you have fun. Look for ways that you can help the Live Events staff build a better experience for everyone. Lol The image.. i need to burn my brain  Doggy part aside, and I do love that. I totally agree that we now need to help them wherever we can so that WE can have fun and hopefully they can have fun preparing them and running them with us.
That's a lot of the reasoning behind my wording, yes the previous team is gone, yes the new team is in, where are the transition notes? where are the lessons learnt from the last group? why have they not looked at their organisation's previous experience to learn from them? I found and still find the apparent absence of such an important factor disturbing.
they have no reason to start from the beginning, they have been shown by their predecessors how this works and have no excuse for travelling down the path they did. - this is why I am being harsh, by doing so I intend to push (literally push, force through opposition) them back onto the right track, I can hope to do so by no other means.
(sorry for the late reply I'd taken my eyes off of this thread - popped back in cuz I saw it jump from the main board, re subbed so I can answer to your comments in a more timely manner) |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3636
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Posted - 2013.11.18 02:25:00 -
[1304] - Quote
Wedgetail wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Here's an alternate explanation: we have a new live events team who have no experience in running large scale events such as Arek'Jalaan and the Sansha Incursion precursors. CCP Dropbear is no longer part of CCP, so that corpus of experience and dedication to dungeon mastery has to be re-acquired. Rather than continually rubbing the dog's nose in the poo (which achieves nothing other than a neurotic dog who doesn't trust its master), you need to train the dog to poo in the yard. Note the points from that video:
- Supervision prevents accidents happening
- Encouraging proper behaviour: the easiest way is to reward the dog for pooping in the right place
- Correcting bad behaviour as it happens
- Have a schedule (i.e.: a plan, an expected pattern of behaviour)
Anyone who works with animals, children or adult humans will tell you that violence and negative reinforcement do not lead to positive outcomes. So please, stop using the harsh language, stop punishing the Live Event staff for trying to help you have fun. Look for ways that you can help the Live Events staff build a better experience for everyone. Lol The image.. i need to burn my brain  Doggy part aside, and I do love that. I totally agree that we now need to help them wherever we can so that WE can have fun and hopefully they can have fun preparing them and running them with us. That's a lot of the reasoning behind my wording, yes the previous team is gone, yes the new team is in, where are the transition notes? where are the lessons learnt from the last group? why have they not looked at their organisation's previous experience to learn from them? I found and still find the apparent absence of such an important factor disturbing. they have no reason to start from the beginning, they have been shown by their predecessors how this works and have no excuse for travelling down the path they did. - this is why I am being harsh - (admittedly maybe too much so but i feel this is too important to hold back on, once i see improvement I will offer more positive support) -by doing so I intend to push (literally push, support through opposition) them back onto the right track, I can hope to do so by no other means. (sorry for the late reply I'd taken my eyes off of this thread - popped back in cuz I saw it jump from the main board, re subbed so I can answer to your comments in a more timely manner)
What I am trying to figure is, where did they get these that big deal blockbuster live events would work in such manner that they were implemented. That is, did they know live events were popular and try to bank on them harder or was this something they came to with big ideas THEN failed to check on notes from past experiences?
What I hope they learn from this is that if CCP wants some kind of earth-shaking event, they need only push the players in that direction and there are enough LE junkies and RPers to deliver. Luminaire and Spectre were events that apparently attempted "bigness" from a top down centrally planned viewpoint did not work out so well. I won't say that a live event from that direction is certain to fail, but that they are going in the direction of bigger events while using as few resources as the older events - even less in Spectre.
If CCP wants to make George Lucas raise an eyebrow, they are going to need to put way more resources and planning into it. But if they want more successful live events, just stick with the way it was done in 2010-2011. The players will deliver (especially if you did it during prime time, even unannounced). |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2508

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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:08:00 -
[1305] - Quote
I've removed a post discussing moderation. Please remember to keep posts on topic and civil. Your feedback is appreciated though. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Wedgetail
Helix Pulse Brothers of Tangra
69
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:30:00 -
[1306] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
What I am trying to figure is, where did they get these that big deal blockbuster live events would work in such manner that they were implemented. That is, did they know live events were popular and try to bank on them harder or was this something they came to with big ideas THEN failed to check on notes from past experiences?
What I hope they learn from this is that if CCP wants some kind of earth-shaking event, they need only push the players in that direction and there are enough LE junkies and RPers to deliver. Luminaire and Spectre were events that apparently attempted "bigness" from a top down centrally planned viewpoint did not work out so well. I won't say that a live event from that direction is certain to fail, but that they are going in the direction of bigger events while using as few resources as the older events - even less in Spectre.
If CCP wants to make George Lucas raise an eyebrow, they are going to need to put way more resources and planning into it. But if they want more successful live events, just stick with the way it was done in 2010-2011. The players will deliver (especially if you did it during prime time, even unannounced).
this is what concerns me... their dev blog has confirmed only what i already knew to have happened, it didn't answer to the reason and has done nothing to settle any concerns that i have regarding the situation the team is in.
their reason logic and resulting action suggest a lack of information, an absence of understanding and foresight, and implies a failure in their business process(es)/structure that invited this outcome to occur.
Having done what i have, seen what i have, I have information regarding those past experiences that ccp should have been learning from, it's not as good as what their former team has/had but it's all i can provide, thus if they were lacking information regarding the circumstances they were facing and what they should have looked for and prioritized they have slightly less of a deficiency now because of what I have tried to provide them.
and if it helps them to achieve the standards of competency that we are expecting of them then all the better.
my greatest fear is that they will continue to fall behind the closed door of the internet, that they'll allow these warnings to go unchecked and unsolved because they do not understand the weight of their meaning, or worse simply don't want to face the experience of dealing with angry people on the internet. (who does?)
more than anything else I want to help but if i do not do this right - if i don't get the message across well enough it'll become less likely to resolve itself, if that means i have to 'rub their noses in their own poo' in order to reinforce the meaning and the importance of its implications then that is what i will gladly do (within reason). it would not be the first time I've chosen to become an enemy to save a friend, and i doubt it will be the last. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 04:23:00 -
[1307] - Quote
The issue is still there was no "Event" .
Apparently the team had the impression that most of the high-sec contingent would be happy to be involved in a "big space battle" just like all those lucky folks in null get to indulge in all the time - even if it meant trudging through 24 systems at 10 minutes per system.
Unfortunately for the team, the people that turned out had believed the advertising and were expecting something more noteworthy ... at the very least to get to see a big empire faction fleet of caps and super-caps in action and maybe even to get to experience something different they had not experienced before.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
12
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:05:00 -
[1308] - Quote
As one of the hi-sec folks I *would* have been happy to engage in large fleet combat. I firmly believe that such events can't be created as such but must occur naturally, The best way to ensure this is to nurture players who don't often PvP so that they understand the different combat environment and learn to love it :D
My feeling is that CCP should concentrate on smaller lore driven events to move the story along, and then as people learn more about fleet combat bigger battles will occur naturally. Throwing a largely untrained and unprepared gathering of lower skilled hi-sec folks into low-sec could never really work as sheer numbers don't actually mean that much when the are dribble fed to a target area.
The worst thing that could come out if the last event is if it puts a large swathe of hi-sec folks off PvP even more..
I also think that there needs to be different kinds of events too, something to rewards other styles of play. I know many think hi-sec is pointless but I disagree. There are many play styles within EVE, with combat being one facet. Hi-sec is a necessity to allow the industrial/.trader/builder type players to function. Without this depth EVE will become just another MMO. One giant constant battle which would ultimately become dull.
They already have the small missions to perform research, mine minerals, etc etc...why not some story arcs around industry instead? Something that gets players to co-operate in an entirely different arena. How quickly could hi-sec build a titan for an incursion into low-sec if they pulled together I wonder?
high-end combat in EVE is a niche that it takes time (in skill terms) and practice. This won't happen buy throwing people en-masse into low-sec and is a small area of EVE for me. I would like to develop in that area, but not at the exclusive expense of other areas of EVE.
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boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
10
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:33:00 -
[1309] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:How many members of CCP are Razor alts? Hmm? 
you mean how many goons are actualy gm's |

Mark Radosevic
Codec Ascension Codec Forum
0
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:23:00 -
[1310] - Quote
My main objection is that call to empire/hisec was misleading. It looked like PvE thing and even Sansha were mentioned.
On the other side call to pirates was spot on - come and fight empire.
This caused a great confusion - CCP had to be more clear and in event invite state clearly - you will go to low/null, pvp will happen, use clean/pvp clones and equip properly.
Confusing invite to hisec caused low preparation for what was about to happend.
I thinkg most of the people that participated does not object the fact that they got killed but the fact that they fell mislead and fooled.
Write better event invites. |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
12
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Posted - 2013.11.19 15:05:00 -
[1311] - Quote
Agreed...if this had been a mass excursion tonull-sec on a mission style event but you had to fight your way back then most wouldn't have minded being killed in the attempt. Then is becomes a calculated risk, but the evnt was set up in such a way that you cuoldn't know the nature of the risk in advance. fortunately I always assume the worst so went in a cheap ship/clean clone but many others didn't I think. |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
12
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Posted - 2013.11.19 15:17:00 -
[1312] - Quote
A nicer set-up could have been to start with industrial events to gather up/research/build the components for a bunch of titans with which the capsuleers can help as they can more rapidly acquire the necessary goods.
From this those who perform best would be invited on the empire incursion into null, with spare places being open to whoever declares loyalty for at least a month.
The titans would be used to bridge into the target sector and station fleets to hold the gates, with CCP commanded fleets and capsuleer fleets performing the holding duties, whilst others go and try to take the objective.
once the empire fleets were in place the pirates would *then* place the call out to null-sec folks for assistance with the warning that the gates are camped.
the null-secs could then choose to support, but to do so would have to access the system. I think this would have led to a much more balanced combat, and since the null secs could have declared to assist the empire (just because they are in null doesn't mean they wouldn't help against a common enemy) they could also take part on either side.
this could have given a much more imersive flow of events with a large final event.
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Plane Walkerz
Crimson Reavers
1
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:47:00 -
[1313] - Quote
Aerieth wrote:To all you null secers not understanding the issue here!
This is not an issue with dieing, this is not an issue with TiDi. this is not an issue with bubbles or null sec mechanics.
This is simply an issue of not delivering on a promise.
When CCP says "Live Event" that sets certain expectations into play. When CCP fails on those explanations then THAT is the issue.
If I was signing up for a dangerous mission through dangerous territory and died in a ball of fire thats OK! If I was signing up for a trip into null sec and got owned then that's OK! If I was signing up for a massive fleet fight and due to the sheer mass of it then we were all TiDi'd to all hell then thats OK!
Those situations are all fine, but today those of us that logged on to partake in a Live Event and got anything but a Live Event ... that's the issue at hand.
A Live Event is not hours of TiDi travel! TRAVEL! TiDi is fine, UNNEEDED TiDi TRAVEL IS NOT! A Live Event is not hours of directionless mayhem with no input from those running the event.
In your 0.0 lingo. CCP was our FC. Our FC purposely screwed us over. We are upset at our FC. You all think we are a bunch of whiners, however you just happen to see our forums. I know from personal experience there is plenty of whining going on behind the Goons forums. "Wha! This FC did this! Wha! This FC did that!"
Imagine spending hours following an FC around in 10% TiDi then you don't get to shoot anything and it was ALL ON PURPOSE by the FC ... then come back to us and say Yes I am fine wasting hours of my time doing nothing of importance on purpose! The live event you talk about did happen, it was ruthlessly being driven out of null sec sov space by the null bears, loving CCP every second of the action because when you jump into null space from HS be sure to check the map, use your brain and check that the FC isn't an awoxer and hasn't told all of new eden before hand that something is going down (there may be someone who has a counter prepared). Really... -The Unknown- Sleepers abound and hunger for blood There are few brave enough to look for a fight with these tyrants, but those who are brave and hold true to their goal will prevail |

Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:53:00 -
[1314] - Quote
Mark Radosevic wrote:My main objection is that call to empire/hisec was misleading. It looked like PvE thing and even Sansha were mentioned.
On the other side call to pirates was spot on - come and fight empire.
This caused a great confusion - CCP had to be more clear and in event invite state clearly - you will go to low/null, pvp will happen, use clean/pvp clones and equip properly.
Confusing invite to hisec caused low preparation for what was about to happend.
I thinkg most of the people that participated does not object the fact that they got killed but the fact that they fell mislead and fooled.
Write better event invites.
Or, maybe, just maybe, people should stop expecting to be told "you are venturing into the danger zone, wear your hard hat" and start thinking for themselves. We actually didn't expect empire people to be rerouted our way - thinking CCP organized a full-fledged safe rat turkey shoot for carebears.
Heh, go figure - people get welped into the wall and instead of thinking what they could do to avoid in the future they demand others to do something instead. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
540
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Posted - 2013.11.20 11:23:00 -
[1315] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:
Heh, go figure - people get welped into the wall and instead of thinking what they could do to avoid in the future they demand others to do something instead.
Or perhaps.... you actually read what our complaint was. The main complaint was that CCP never gave high sec fleets time to get to the Event. Not that we ran into null sec fleets. CCP knew we had hundreds of people stuck in TiDi in fleets working towards the target zone. Then called the event over before we could even get there. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1003
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Posted - 2013.11.20 11:59:00 -
[1316] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Or, maybe, just maybe, people should stop expecting to be told "you are venturing into the danger zone, wear your hard hat" and start thinking for themselves. We actually didn't expect empire people to be rerouted our way - thinking CCP organized a full-fledged safe rat turkey shoot for carebears.
Heh, go figure - people get welped into the wall and instead of thinking what they could do to avoid in the future they demand others to do something instead.
Yet again I find you sitting on both sides of the fence from one post to the other, one thread to the other. Perhaps your reading comprehension skills can't keep up with how quickly you change your opinion but to repost for you (and has been posted about 5 times in different threads now) and for the others that follow:
IG issues\complaints\concerns:
CCP knew full well that TiDi would be in effect for those travelling to the waypoints and that they would have 23 jumps to go through and that the Null Blocs would either Titan Bridge in forces or that they were already in-situ. CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block CCP then declared the event over after an hour knowing full well that participants were still in TiDi and travelling or getting torn apart by the Null Bloc. CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide wilfully commanded scores of players to jump into Null. CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide either jumped ahead of the fleet using devhacks or dropped fleet leaving the participants in disarray (This requires verification but I have heard it from several sources)
IRL issues\complaints\concerns:
CCP did not deliver on what was advertised to a large audience. CCP did not estimate the numbers of attendees correctly. This was probable due to the headlines of "Unique" and "never to be repeated" CCP did not organise any sort of reliable communications or clearly communicate to the participants where, when, how they should be. CCP wilfully withheld key information that would've enabled participants to make other ways to get to the rendezvous points as we know that players are resourceful. It wasn't hard for Null Blocs to organise as they had 50mins notice. Withholding this information just served to add confusion to the unaware participants not yet exposed to fleets etc CCP used Twitter to communicate of staging system change.
CCP has refused to acknowledge bar one comment from CCP Goliath that this thread exists
CCP has refused to update it's customer of what is occurring or if this is being discussed or analysed
CCP has refused to indicate if any update will be forthcoming CCP has allowed this to get to the point where people are unsubscribing\not renewing\cancelling from the game due to the perceived level of incompetence, collusion with Null Sec Cartels, contempt that CCP hold towards the Hi-Sec player and the tinfoil hattery that even I am starting to wonder "well what if". CCP are supposed to be a trusted entity in EVE Online. If you cannot trust those that develop the game and run it who can you trust. CCP are supposed to be an impartial and independent body removed from the universe of New Eden and so removed from a conflict of interest.
CCP were not expected to:
Hand hold the participants Ensure participants were in suitable ships Ensure participants had blank clones Ensure participants had an up-to-date clone Tell people how to operate in a fleet
I hope that you'll find that I (and I feel a lot of people) had these same expectations due to the nature of the advertising for this event. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
13
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Posted - 2013.11.20 12:36:00 -
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Good clear post max.
For future events of this nature (yes I still think they *could* work) it would require multiple staging points (as many as CCP can staff, though with multiple PC's that should be lots). There is no reason why the empire forces couldn't have several stealth fleets jump to the target system, and setup jump gates. Players can't put up jump gates in hi-sec, but sincethe empires own areas of hi-sic they certainly could and deliver fleets straight to target zone.
Low-sec would be informed of the assault *after* the gates start anchoring in low-sec. If fast enough they can get to them and attempt to shoot them down first, which means taking on empire stealth fleets plus fleets arriving.through the gates. At least this would give the null-secs more of a challenge and the hi-secs a chance at real combat.
multiple jump in points would minimize TiDi until in the target system (which the servers can be hardebned to cope with better as you know where the maximum load will be.
This way nobody has an unfair advantage and players choose their targets...defend the jump gates, attack the gates, defend the pirate facilities, attack facilities, run skirmish fleet activities either way, etc etc
Totally agree on the last points, CCP should never hand hold the hi-secs otherwise how would we learn? |

Mark Radosevic
Codec Ascension Codec Forum
1
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:14:00 -
[1318] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Mark Radosevic wrote:My main objection is that call to empire/hisec was misleading. It looked like PvE thing and even Sansha were mentioned.
On the other side call to pirates was spot on - come and fight empire.
This caused a great confusion - CCP had to be more clear and in event invite state clearly - you will go to low/null, pvp will happen, use clean/pvp clones and equip properly.
Confusing invite to hisec caused low preparation for what was about to happend.
I thinkg most of the people that participated does not object the fact that they got killed but the fact that they fell mislead and fooled.
Write better event invites. Or, maybe, just maybe, people should stop expecting to be told "you are venturing into the danger zone, wear your hard hat" and start thinking for themselves. We actually didn't expect empire people to be rerouted our way - thinking CCP organized a full-fledged safe rat turkey shoot for carebears. Heh, go figure - people get welped into the wall and instead of thinking what they could do to avoid in the future they demand others to do something instead.
There are signs to wear helmet on construction site because not all people know something (like a hammer) can drop on their head from above.
No harm would come from more clear warning, it could just improve overall experience for people that do not know what to expect in null sec. |

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:46:00 -
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My work is done here .. please lock the thread
Thank you to all who participated
-áThank You,
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
37
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Posted - 2013.12.04 05:31:00 -
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still waiting for:
Somer Blink credit for this live event
[*] An actual response from someone on the Live Event team to explain what they were thinking. |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1031
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Posted - 2013.12.04 07:13:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:still waiting for:
Somer Blink credit for this live event
An actual response from someone on the Live Event team to explain what they were thinking.
The official "response" can be found here: Dev Blog: Operation Spectre - Event Breakdown and FAQ Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
584
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Posted - 2013.12.04 09:49:00 -
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Which says nothing as it's an outright lie in points. One of the few Dev blogs I've ever been disgusted in reading. |

Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
37
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:27:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Which says nothing as it's an outright lie in points. One of the few Dev blogs I've ever been disgusted in reading.
Yeah. Nothing but ass-covering, excuse making, and standard boiler-plate space-filling nonsense. The only time I've heard more ass-covering was during election season. |

Jurchik82
Brotherhood Of Equal Just Passing By.
1
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Fourteen Maken wrote:Dear Nul people
Nobody cares about losing their ships, everyone that went to the event expected their ship would get blown up. It didn't matter if it was happening in high, low, or nul it was always going to end in a free for all, so stop congratulating yourselves, its a bit sad taking the credit for this. By the time we got the length of your fleets we were strung out half way across empire space and most just wanted to get blown up so the whole stupid ordeal would be over. A lot of people self destructed before jumping into nul, I thought I'd jump in and have a few seconds of action after all the time I wasted getting there because I had nothing to lose, but after reading the hollow boasting on here I see why people would rather not give you the satisfaction of a kill report. Your not the ones harvesting tears here, we were trolled by CCP, i'd just like to know why a company that wants to stay in business thinks it's a good idea to troll their own customers?
This whole event was staged to make high sec players into cannon fodder for nulsec alliances, they did everything possible to ensure we would be completely helpless when we got there, and they made sure we didn't know we were going to nulsec until it was too late to turn back. I'm disgusted tbh This basically, CCP stitched you all up. Arf!
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Jai Centarium
Anqara Expeditions
0
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Posted - 2013.12.06 22:12:00 -
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Horatio Nately wrote:this event was complete **** although I shouldn't be surprised since ccp hasn't been able to run competent events since they let go all of their live event staff.
Viva la AURORA.
Except for the minor detail that it was corrupt to the core, they did some really cool things. Oftentimes, they were just small scale events that if you happened to be in the constellation, you'd hear about and get to interact with them. Like all good things, however, it came to an end, in part because people kept tipping off their friends when there would be loot available.
Still, AURORA is missed. It added a really nice dimension that, albeit in limited quantities, made the world feel more alive, rather than a static thing that only reacted when players poked at it.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1668
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Posted - 2013.12.07 17:51:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi Folks,
We understand completely that there are a number of different opinions about this event.
Yes, and that number is two.
#1) The event participants, who universally agree that it sucked donkey balls.
#2) The nullbear gatecampers who got to pad their killboards, who universally agree that it was the greatest thing ever.
Knowing CCP's track record when it comes to favoritism, I expect the next live event to exactly the same. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
24
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:18:00 -
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Next event of this sort could easily be made more fair by using single-ended exploration gates to launch fleets into the target system, since landing point are random it at least gives each entering fleet a chance to get organized and offer a defence.
Another simple solution is to have empire stealth boats cloaked in the target system (as would be the case in any pre-planned op I would think). These would then jump fleets in to safe spots to stage assaults from.
I think this would be far more entertaining for the null-sec folks too, would present more of a challenge. If I had turned to the Null side I would have been so bored sitting there shooting sitting targets (the Farce was indeed strong in this op).
Next event needs to be planned properly. This is effectively an attack on Null space and as such needs to be organized with specific strategic goals, at least some kind of ingress and egress plans, formal fleets for command and control etc. It would be better for fleets (or at least fleet commanders) to register up to a comms chat channel to receive orders rather than rely on twitter and such.
This event was supposed to introduce hi-sec folks to null-sec existence, but being wiped out at a single gate will just put people off. There was no freedom of combat, no chance at a real fight. Had the hi-sec people seen that people would have been jumping up and down for the next op and empire/null wars would ensue pretty rapidly.
Missed opportunity for me but I hope they run future events and take into account the constructive comments from everyone here. |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
454
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Posted - 2014.02.04 08:59:00 -
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QQ moar The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.02.10 22:55:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
The rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3400
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:52:00 -
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Holy **** people are mad.
CCP clearly did something right. |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Backseat Promises
1210
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Posted - 2014.03.05 14:08:00 -
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Hurray Necrothread!!
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
548
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:46:00 -
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I like to point out it was the ISD representative above who necro'd this thread. -áWormholes, shattered dreams & lost hopes Wing Commander Okuuda discharged dishonorably by the Caldari Navy |

Mixu Paatelainen
T1LL THE END
82
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:32:00 -
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That ISD post is so meta I'm hyperventilating. |

Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
201
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:30:00 -
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So did CCP ever figure out that live events fail? Senex Legio |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1167
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:33:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:So did CCP ever figure out that live events fail? If their Dev blog was any clue, No. Their Dev blog was a pack of lies, that made it out as if there was an actual epic event and just lots of people died, vs a complete stuff up and no event.
We knew it was a predetermined outcome anyway since it was just an excuse to introduce ghost sites, even more so than any other event this one was utterly unchangeable.
But we didn't even get an event for playing along with CCP, they closed the event, and then white washed it with their Dev blog. |

RAW23
758
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:03:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:I like to point out it was the ISD representative above who necro'd this thread.
This is nothing. Last week an ISD 'cleaned' and reopened a thread in MD that had been closed for nine months!

I have come to the conclusion that the ISDs exist in a different temporal continuum to the rest of us.
I mean ... nine months? Seriously? There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Jai Centarium
Anqara Expeditions
8
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:14:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:I like to point out it was the ISD representative above who necro'd this thread. This is nothing. Last week an ISD 'cleaned' and reopened a thread in MD that had been closed for nine months!  I have come to the conclusion that the ISDs exist in a different temporal continuum to the rest of us. I mean ... nine months? Seriously?
It took that long to charge the flux capacitor.
But seriously, the silence on Live Events is somewhat telling. They tried something, got burned badly, tried to explain, got burned badly, and now are back in their shell. Most of those burns were deserved.
What matters now is if the Live Events just disappear entirely (like many other non-essential things), or if they actually take the feedback to heart and make some changes. Someone mentioned elsewhere that hiring a decent tabletop RPG gamemaster to plan events would be a good investment. I think it'd make a fine volunteer position.
Not everyone wants live events. Not everyone cares. But for those that do, it'd be a nice expansion of the game universe. I'm a little teapot, short and stout. |

Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
50
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:16:00 -
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Jai Centarium wrote:RAW23 wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:I like to point out it was the ISD representative above who necro'd this thread. This is nothing. Last week an ISD 'cleaned' and reopened a thread in MD that had been closed for nine months!  I have come to the conclusion that the ISDs exist in a different temporal continuum to the rest of us. I mean ... nine months? Seriously? It took that long to charge the flux capacitor. But seriously, the silence on Live Events is somewhat telling. They tried something, got burned badly, tried to explain, got burned badly, and now are back in their shell. Most of those burns were deserved. What matters now is if the Live Events just disappear entirely (like many other non-essential things), or if they actually take the feedback to heart and make some changes. Someone mentioned elsewhere that hiring a decent tabletop RPG gamemaster to plan events would be a good investment. I think it'd make a fine volunteer position. Not everyone wants live events. Not everyone cares. But for those that do, it'd be a nice expansion of the game universe.
The problem you run into when it is a volunteer, is that a lot of people aren't interested unless CCP is attached to it somehow, as what CCP does is Canon, and if they don't screw up too badly it is also a sign that what you as a player are getting into when you respond to a CCP event is something that has a certain level of quality. The rest is often filtered out and ignored by players. So even if the events creator is a volunteer, they need to be given credibility through a CCP tag, or seal of approval of sorts. It needs to be 'official'.
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Crom Domison
Space Jews United
2
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:54:00 -
[1339] - Quote
The Carriers go down so fast that anyone hoping to bring a battleship or getting unlucky with the spawn being ******* miles away has not even a snowball's chance in hell of even seeing the event.
I stayed up til 2am for this and spent 30 mins travelling only to get to the system and be told "Sorry bud, you just missed it. Better luck next time!"
I don't give a **** about the PLEX, I just want to be part of the event.
Unlikely.
I should have just gone to bed. |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
704
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:58:00 -
[1340] - Quote
Crom Domison wrote:The Carriers go down so fast that anyone hoping to bring a battleship or getting unlucky with the spawn being ******* miles away has not even a snowball's chance in hell of even seeing the event.
I stayed up til 2am for this and spent 30 mins travelling only to get to the system and be told "Sorry bud, you just missed it. Better luck next time!"
I don't give a **** about the PLEX, I just want to be part of the event.
Unlikely.
I should have just gone to bed.
Then you should've done what I did, grabbed an Interceptor and made the 20+ jumps there in no time. |
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Crom Domison
Space Jews United
2
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 -
[1341] - Quote
Pix Severus wrote:
Then you should've done what I did, grabbed an Interceptor and made the 20+ jumps there in no time.
So everyone's just going to turn up in Interceptors? |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1440
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:54:00 -
[1342] - Quote
Crom Domison wrote:Pix Severus wrote:
Then you should've done what I did, grabbed an Interceptor and made the 20+ jumps there in no time.
So everyone's just going to turn up in Interceptors? you know: anything bigger than a T1 or T2 frigate is not thing you would bring to low-sec anyway The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
704
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:09:00 -
[1343] - Quote
Crom Domison wrote:Pix Severus wrote:
Then you should've done what I did, grabbed an Interceptor and made the 20+ jumps there in no time.
So everyone's just going to turn up in Interceptors?
If you're far from the event and still want to take part, then I don't see any other choice. If it starts in a system close to you, you can make it in a bigger ship, luck of the draw. |
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