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Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:31:00 -
[511] - Quote
Also the HP nerf needed to be more particular to each of the Supers, the Hel bless its cotton socks needs a Buff of 10% Shield/Armor/Hull Get rid of the lame Remote repair bonus,does nothing for the Hel as its Primary on the field.
Wyvern needs no HP nerf.
The Aeon & Nyx would be better having a 10% nerf to Shield/Armor/Hull & Possibly cutting the drone damage bonus of the Nyx in half.
But these are More focused idea's each of the Supers needed particular attention, it wasn't accurate to generalize a vauge nerf for the sake of it.
Overall though the Nerf to HP is acceptable especially compared to the problem we need to resolve with the drone bay size.
CCP you need to give enough room for 20 Fighter bombers & 20 Fighters in Drone bay. You can even make a seperate drone bay for either of the types,a bay with enough room for only 20 Fighter Bombers & only enough room for 20 Fighters in another drone bay. CCP plz read & plz act upon. |
HelPilot of20Years
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.11.23 03:27:00 -
[512] - Quote
Phunnestyle wrote:Also the HP nerf needed to be more particular to each of the Supers, the Hel bless its cotton socks needs a Buff of 10% Shield/Armor/Hull Get rid of the lame Remote repair bonus,does nothing for the Hel as its Primary on the field.
Does anyone out there seriously have an issue with this? I can't see one, and have no idea why Hel issues weren't "rebalanced" beyond the 7.5% kneejerk response to a single post.
If you'd like to make the Hel into king **** of reps mountain, raise resists or raw EHP to make it one of the last things enemy caps target, considering remote reps do have a breaking point with multiple hostile SC's primarying you. |
Waukesha
Invictus Australis
Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2011.11.23 08:45:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Never stop poasting with alts so it adds more importance to something.
Coming from the late 2010 char... an alt or a noob. Either way fairy but-hurt lol.
Keep posting against against SCs, it makes your argument more valid. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
149
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:51:00 -
[514] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:Never stop poasting with alts so it adds more importance to something.
same super-heavy alliance.
The only other is Phunnestyle who's to chickenshit to post with his main. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
149
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:53:00 -
[515] - Quote
HelPilot of20Years wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:Also the HP nerf needed to be more particular to each of the Supers, the Hel bless its cotton socks needs a Buff of 10% Shield/Armor/Hull Get rid of the lame Remote repair bonus,does nothing for the Hel as its Primary on the field.
Does anyone out there seriously have an issue with this? I can't see one, and have no idea why Hel issues weren't "rebalanced" beyond the 7.5% kneejerk response to a single post. If you'd like to make the Hel into king **** of reps mountain, raise resists or raw EHP to make it one of the last things enemy caps target, considering remote reps do have a breaking point with multiple hostile SC's primarying you.
This is a good change idea, there's no reason to give a SC a remote rep bonus when it's an offensive machine. Give it more of a damage bonus and buff the shields.
I don't see Hels on the field, and when I do they're not there as a logistics platform. |
Baki Yuku
Nordgoetter
Viking Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:51:00 -
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StukaBee wrote:HelPilot of20Years wrote:People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.
Titans. Everywhere.
Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V. And then titans will get nerfed further and they'll rage and shriek even louder, it'll be great
no they won't. Why? Because EVE is a product of CCP and CCP is a corporation in the business to make money and if you loss 4k+ of your customers of which most sink tons of money into your product (eve) then you are stupid. Well and I kinda doubt CCP is:) Or do you think that if you make these ppls toys in which some put several hundred dollar useless they will still play? Doubtful. Subcap Pilots will not leave the game because titans can kill them but if you make them useless the pilots that worked hard to get them or pay'd for them will leave so do the math. Its not that hard really.
Besides Titans arent overpower'd anymore without their ability to DD logistics/Commandships (FC's) off the field. As a Titan Pilot you fit for gank you're low on tank so in my opinion its quit alright.
also
@CCP Tallest
What about the CPU issues on the Nidhoggur? I mean the Nidhoggur didnt really need more Power Grid.. |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics
K162
16
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:00:00 -
[517] - Quote
chimera needs 5 more cpu for the upcoming triage t2 modules |
Tover Chris
Suicide Kings
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:04:00 -
[518] - Quote
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:chimera needs 5 more cpu for the upcoming triage t2 modules
Shush you, this thread is for supercarrier pilots to complain. Take your "other" capital issues elsewhere. |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics
K162
16
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:11:00 -
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Underwhelming nature of the t2 traige module aside, the chimera will not be able to fit them without a slight increase in cpu to the ship. do the right thing and make it so CCP
just to get another jab in. Superz smell |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics
K162
17
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:13:00 -
[520] - Quote
haha, just realized tallest is on the job for capital balancing.
GG guys he is out of town till thanksgiving. changes are final for this patch |
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Gol'dar
Endstati0n
Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:44:00 -
[521] - Quote
Ganthrithor wrote:Sigras wrote:so everyone who is whining about having their drone bay size nerfed . . . what if they made it so you could carry 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers without the ability to mix and match?
IE a separate bay for fighters and fighter bombers.
TL;DR
Do you really want to field a flight of fighters or are you using that as an excuse to field endless amounts of fighter bombers like you can now. God no! Not a ship made to do dps to other caps that could continue to do dps to other caps as long as it remains on the field! How imba is that! Yes, people want to be able to carry fighters and bombers (a full compliment of both). No, they're not arguing for bigger bays so they could hold more bombers (35 bombers is already a lot of spares). Even if they did just want to carry more bombers, would anyone give a ****? The original INFINITE DRONES complaint was in regard to SCs ability to field effectively unlimited LIGHT (as in sub-fighter) drones. That is what people were bitching about, because it gave SCs the ability to kill off endless waves of subcaps (which was a valid complaint, though i think the right answer would have been to give SCs a normal drones bay capable of holding, say, 20 light drones, 20 meds, and 20 heavies/sentries rather than eliminating all regular drones entirely). Noone cares if they can kill endless waves of dreads-- that's their job.
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Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost
6
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:45:00 -
[522] - Quote
Wait I'm confused... are Supercarriers supposed to be offensive ships with better cap killing ability than dreads, a better logistical support ship than a carrier, or what exactly? |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics
K162
17
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:56:00 -
[523] - Quote
I share the same thoughts Jaigar. The capabilities that make a carrier so great are not amplified by the mom hulls. Not being able to run triage makes absolutly no sense. they are just RR domi's on crack at the moment. |
Draconus Lofwyr
CryoTech Engineering
Silent Requiem
8
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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:29:00 -
[524] - Quote
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:I share the same thoughts Jaigar. The capabilities that make a carrier so great are not amplified by the mom hulls. Not being able to run triage makes absolutly no sense. they are just RR domi's on crack at the moment.
more like on meth, toothless, harmless, anorexic shells of their former selves (at least domi's have the option to fit guns ). With this nerf to uselessness, does that mean they get named back to Motherships, because that's all Mom pilots are going to be able to do, cry to their mommies while twirling in the pos shields.. |
AnzacPaul
Invictus Australis
Northern Coalition.
84
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:19:00 -
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Waukesha wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:So I ask again, why do you need more than 15 fighters? Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll 1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers. 2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective. In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out. Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike. A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards. This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence! Need room for 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters in drone bay CCP <-- plz read & plz do. Signed Signed
Signed. |
Isbariya
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:13:00 -
[526] - Quote
AnzacPaul wrote:Waukesha wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:So I ask again, why do you need more than 15 fighters? Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll 1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers. 2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective. In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out. Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike. A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards. This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence! Need room for 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters in drone bay CCP <-- plz read & plz do. Signed Signed Signed.
Signed, Supers need a larger Dronebay. They are renderd completly useless/helpless once the drones are destroyed, which is quite easy when you got a few smartboming ships.
I think a good idea would be to leave the dronebay at 35 for all Supers, but change their stats and boni to the ones the revenant got, +1 fighter/fighter bomber but double the damage.
That would leave us with more spare drones and the nodes would not overload that fast, as well as players pcs.
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Svennig
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:17:00 -
[527] - Quote
Baki Yuku wrote:
@CCP Tallest
What about the CPU issues on the Nidhoggur? I mean the Nidhoggur didnt really need more Power Grid..
There are CPU issues with the chimera as well. It's a problem with the CPU load of the Capital Shield Transfers, they are simply too heavy.
Tallest: consider a 15-25 CPU reduction on these modules to ease the fitting issues on the nid and chimera. |
Shaak Ti
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
9
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:26:00 -
[528] - Quote
Svennig wrote:Baki Yuku wrote:
@CCP Tallest
What about the CPU issues on the Nidhoggur? I mean the Nidhoggur didnt really need more Power Grid..
There are CPU issues with the chimera as well. It's a problem with the CPU load of the Capital Shield Transfers, they are simply too heavy. Tallest: consider a 15-25 CPU reduction on these modules to ease the fitting issues on the nid and chimera.
CCP Tallest is no caring anymore. He heard all the whines he had to and applied the "rebalance" after a few minutes of playing in SISI.
They are now busy fixing the monocle textures, that is where the funny stuff is...
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Svennig
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:34:00 -
[529] - Quote
Shaak Ti wrote:
CCP Tallest is no caring anymore. He heard all the whines he had to and applied the "rebalance" after a few minutes of playing in SISI.
They are now busy fixing the monocle textures, that is where the funny stuff is...
Nah, he's here and he cares. You can never fix balancing, it's an ever shifting thing. So while there won't be any further changes for this round of Crucible, it's important that we make the point about CPU issues on carriers so that it's considered seriously when they are planning balancing changes for the next patch. Crucible II or whatever you want to call it. |
DaMiGe
FinFleet
Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:10:00 -
[530] - Quote
AnzacPaul wrote:Waukesha wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:So I ask again, why do you need more than 15 fighters? Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll 1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers. 2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective. In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out. Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike. A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards. This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence! Need room for 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters in drone bay CCP <-- plz read & plz do. Signed Signed Signed.
Signed
from my account of this thread and the main announcement its plain to see ccp tallest have ignored what people have said, i have a hard time seeing any balance to this and the aim he has in mind will not only encourage more super to fleet together, but kill off any chance small alliance/corps have to develop their own fleets.
their has been several possible idea to come out that may have balance this far more then what have been implemented on sisi, give more evidence to the fact this thread is being largely ignored. |
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Icantspellwell
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:16:00 -
[531] - Quote
AnzacPaul wrote:Waukesha wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:So I ask again, why do you need more than 15 fighters? Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll 1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers. 2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective. In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out. Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike. A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards. This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence! Need room for 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters in drone bay CCP <-- plz read & plz do. Signed Signed Signed.
Signed.
Absolutely no reason why a "supercarrier" shouldn't be able to hold a full set of fighters and fighterbombers. |
Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:37:00 -
[532] - Quote
any news about the Shield Capital shield recharge thingy? |
Jax Blake
The Ankou
Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:08:00 -
[533] - Quote
+1 for 20 and 20 for ALL supercapitals.
I'm not going to get into some endless debate like the others but I just want to know why the Supercarrier is the ONLY ship in the game that can now NOT reload their primary weapon system. EVERY other ship in the game can fully reload.
You can take the 20% hp, you can take out all the other drones, but please leave us room for 20 and 20.
Thanks |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics
K162
19
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:14:00 -
[534] - Quote
just say no to 20/20 supers
bend over and take it quietly |
Kerdrak
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:19:00 -
[535] - Quote
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:just say no to 20/20 supers
bend over and take it quietly
For any reason or just because you say it so?
Do you own a super to give proper feedback on why a supercarrier is overpowered if able to hold 20/20 fighters?
I mean, how overpowered can be if can have a SPARE flight of their ONLY offensive weapone (being a pure offensive ship BTW) |
Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost
7
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Posted - 2011.11.24 21:02:00 -
[536] - Quote
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:just say no to 20/20 supers
bend over and take it quietly
Yup, I know supercarrier pilots don't like choosing between fighters for a sub-capital fleet or bombers for a capital fleet. Too much thinking and consideration.
And its laughable, after that CCP roam 2 days ago where PL hot dropped a bunch of titans & SCs on them, you think they're going to side with you? |
Gol'dar
Endstati0n
Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:06:00 -
[537] - Quote
Jaigar wrote:Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:just say no to 20/20 supers
bend over and take it quietly Yup, I know supercarrier pilots don't like choosing between fighters for a sub-capital fleet or bombers for a capital fleet. Too much thinking and consideration.
ok, too short thinking for so much player, who doesn't fly caps. What means choosing between fighter and fighter bomber? Login a separatly needed carrierchar to refit your mom before a (possible) battle? And this alt must redock for reload more fighter or bomber (after this patch a carrier can carry only 20 per run)? And this alt must jump after his supercarrier to refit in space? For sake we can make the supercarrier' usage more uncomfortable.
20+20 (and this means no reserve!) is barely enough for a weapon system that can be eliminated. |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics
K162
19
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:22:00 -
[538] - Quote
your english is horrible.
i do fly caps. i fly them in some of the harshest conditions EvE can generate.
your just a bad who spent 20+ bil and can't press engage target for maximum i win anymore.
memememememememememememememememememememe |
Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost
8
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Posted - 2011.11.25 01:06:00 -
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Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:your english is horrible.
i do fly caps. i fly them in some of the harshest conditions EvE can generate.
your just a bad who spent 20+ bil and can't press engage target for maximum i win anymore.
memememememememememememememememememememe
I try not to rip on people for bad English, I know its not some people's first language. But I know Zarak, I know the conditions of W-Space Carriers; often you go with what you have: no backup, no cynos to pull more caps in. If the fight isn't in your home system, you can use only 1 carrier. You have to learn how to squeeze everything you can out of your carrier, and its not easy. Cap is a constant concern, and often fleets are small enough to where alpha can't punch through ships. This means the carrier is the centerpiece, and if that breaks, your fleet breaks. And during this whole fiasco you have to worry about your way back getting collapsed under your nose.
But yeah, I just don't see the same management required in combat for a SC: no triage commitment, eWAR immunity, etc. |
HelPilot of20Years
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.11.25 02:51:00 -
[540] - Quote
Someone tell me why we have a wormholer bitching and moaning in our thread, when he knows not of what he speaks? He speaks of capital balance, but his heart is far from us.
And in fact, wasn't it your corp who made bills exploiting a wh mechanic and you have the gall to cast stones at super pilots who just got their collective balls chopped off? |
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