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SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:19:00 -
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Laveaolous wrote:So Nxx & Hel (lol) can still have 20FB and 15 F making the Nyx even more the only supercarrier you would want. I kept the Aeon because I figured I could live with the removal of drones and a HP nerf, silly me forgot that the nerf bat is not a surgical instrument.
ummm aeon has 20million more ehp than the nyx 2000 extra dps does not make up for that |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
75
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Posted - 2011.11.21 02:08:00 -
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Nyx is a nice looking coffin |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
332
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Posted - 2011.11.21 03:22:00 -
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Super carriers are way less versatile now, far less than a titan. I would say they are about the same level as dreads in terms of usefullness? Maybe slightly more...
Super Carriers need a proper, safe place to dock. I think a super carrier docking port should be able to be built onto an existing station with the Foundation, Pedestal and Monument platforms in place, and all other systems in the constellation have Sov Level 5 The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2011.11.21 06:22:00 -
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Headerman wrote:My super carrier is getting nerfed so now I want it buffed.
Is what I read.
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StukaBee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.11.21 07:51:00 -
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I, too, would like to play docking games in lowsec with a 40m EHP hull. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2011.11.21 08:17:00 -
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Give supercarriers the ability to repair items, so people in hostile space who damage their mods can drop the mods into the super and have them repaired in the MODULE REPAIR BAY.
Also add mini-manufacturing facilities that can be used to make things like nanite paste, ammos, drones, anchorable bubbles and other consumables.
Make supercarriers into support ships that can sustain a subcap gang in hostile territory for extended periods of time so I can live out my BSG fantasies. Do it CCP. Do it. |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2011.11.21 09:04:00 -
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Constantinee wrote:Sold all my SC's as of this week. CCP went a little to far with this nerf. Especially since the Hel and wyvern were already pre nerfed in a sense. they are useless in a cap battle and still will be, if anything theyll die faster than when their called primary for being the only shield ship in an armor fleet.
If you remove regular drones from our bays at least give us 20 FB 20 Fighters and boost fighter damage by 5%. the main reason supers got nerfed wasnt because they were raping everyone, no. it was because people failed at getting them pinned down enough to actually do something about it. hic bubbles should reduce super cap speed by 75%. If the bubble drops the SC needs to get back to full speed to warp out. gives the opposition enough time to get another bubble and or super point up to keep him there. Supers dead.
Hel needs a better bonus, 5% shield HP and resistances per lvl or give it an extra lowslot so its a decent armor tanker. Wyvern should have some other bonus to counter the shield on it. I would say slave shield implants but then everyone would whine for crystal armor implants. Maybe capital/sc specific implants?
idk... im ranting at 4am.
Rant over.
TLDR
SC's suck now, thank you ccp.
What he says is true, CCP give us our full compliment of 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers PLZZZZZZZ So currently atm Supers in Aeon/HEL/Wyverns case will have 20xFighters & 10xFighter Bombers, we have to have a spare capital armor & energy transfer in our cargo hold aswell as a huge chunk of Fuel. I am not going to give up room of these crutial items for the other 10x Fighter Bombers. So still Fighter Bombers are a skill wich takes a indeffinate back seat, you may aswell give us our Skillpoints back. It makes sence & logic to have room for 20 Fighters & 20 Fighter Bombers, so plz sort it out & do it. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2011.11.21 09:25:00 -
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Or you could not be ********, pack a full compliment of fighter-bombers and do what your ship does best: mouth-grape other caps. You can bet it will be 20fb/15f in my Nyx.
I do think that supercarriers should get some fun new gimmick in exchange for their drones and EHP nerf though. |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2011.11.21 09:42:00 -
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my nyx can only do 10k dps with bombers and 1875 dps with fighters |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
135
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:06:00 -
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Phunnestyle wrote: the Fighters take precidence over Fighter bombers since it is primary among all else that we be at least able to give a subcap fleet a fight .
Yep, you still don't get it. |
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
16
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:25:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Phunnestyle wrote: the Fighters take precidence over Fighter bombers since it is primary among all else that we be at least able to give a subcap fleet a fight .
Yep, you still don't get it.
dont worry vincent, the fix is in. =) these attitudes will be essentially ignored by the devs. |
Kryder
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:19:00 -
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If you are going to nerf the amount of Fighters/Fighter Bombers we carry then let us dock so it's not a PITA to change out drones. I can live with some of these changes if CCP would let me out of my coffin once in a while and make it a little easier to fit a super.
And before someone cries "station games", how hard would it be to up the session timer on docking a super? In WH if you jump between WH's too fast, you have a session timer to wait out before you can jump again. Code it so once you undock, you have to wait 10-15 minutes to dock again. That limits station games and makes some of these capital changes easier to handle. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
39
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:38:00 -
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Tbh ALL docking and jumping after having agressed others should be way longer than 1 minute and providing remote linking or repairing shold count as aggression too. Shouldn't be too hard changing current mechanics to 3 or 5 minutes for subcapitals and 5-15 minutes for capitals/super capitals as... |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
135
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:07:00 -
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Why do you need more than 15 fighters?
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Kryder
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:17:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Why do you need more than 15 fighters?
Makes our Epeen look bigger! |
Charles Edisson
Isk Incorporated
14
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:47:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Why do you need more than 15 fighters?
To give you a reason to disagree with more oppinions. |
DavidJayder
modro ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:10:00 -
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I super think the minmatar dread buff is great!!! More cap!! Exactly what was needed..... |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
137
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:28:00 -
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Charles Edisson wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Why do you need more than 15 fighters?
To give you a reason to disagree with more oppinions.
Well I was curious.
So far the only reason came from Mr. Genius up there who said it was to engage subcaps as a primary focus.
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Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:45:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Phunnestyle wrote: the Fighters take precidence over Fighter bombers since it is primary among all else that we be at least able to give a subcap fleet a fight .
Yep, you still don't get it.
LOL fool, you don't get it, yes blah blah subcap pilots want supers to be only anticapital capable,blah blah blah,so supers can't scratch your shield tanked blaster fitted prophecy,yes I know blah blah blah, but coming back to reality......
Rarely has anything been used for a sole purpose & it is stupid to think of it in such a way. Alot of alliances that actually know what there talking about unlike you evidently, are making fighters primary over FBs,so 20xFighters & possibly 10x FBs in drone bay & make enough room in hagar for other 10xFBs,wich leaves littel room for spare capital remote rep & transfer aswell as fuel. This is fail, needs drone bay to have enough room for 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers.
Read carefully vincent, your bringing things out of context & letting your few braincells run away with you. You might find it hard to read,but ask mummy to spell the words out for you, Supers will take a full set of fighters over FBs due to the fact that if there (intercepted) by a Subcap fleet, they need to be able to at least give a fight back, although you ofc would rather they sit like lemmings whilst you & your shield tanked blaster prophecy of fail can safely plod away at it.
I LOL@U vincent,special kid. |
Vertumnus
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:48:00 -
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Phunnestyle wrote: needs drone bay to have enough room for 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers.
Yes
It should be 20/20 and maybe a extra 5 fb or fighters. give the nyx/hel an extra 5 on top of that and call it a day.
Wake up CCP and start thinking.... |
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Gol'dar
Endstati0n Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:58:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Why do you need more than 15 fighters?
This must be a trollpost.
Why do You need 5 sentries on Your Dominix? With place for a second squad + other drones. Why do You need 10 drones on Your carrier? Subcaps can only launch 5 drones, why 10 on carrier? Why do You need x gun/missile launcher on Your "whatever"? 1 gun/missile launcher is acceptable.
/trollmode off
Carrier 5 = 20 fb/f, because CCP say so. Sure, CCP could castrate supers from 3fb/f to 2 fb/f per level. But this make no sence - if they should be capitalkillers furthermore. 15 fb on Aeon = 6K, on Nyx = 7,5K dps. Less than a dreadnought. With such stats (and no role) it would be better removing them from the database. |
Vertumnus
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2011.11.21 21:01:00 -
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speaking of thinking...
If you are going to nurf the drone bay size, shouldn't you also adjust the amount of drone bay capital parts needed to build these ships?.... hell why stop there, how about the ammount of armor plates needed? 20% reduction would be nice :)
the biggest is this: are you still going to need drone bay capital parts for building dreads? if so LOL
Maybe they did think of this and changed this.... can someone confirm? |
HelPilot of20Years
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.11.21 22:03:00 -
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Vertumnus wrote:speaking of thinking...
Indeed.
People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.
Titans. Everywhere.
Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V. |
StukaBee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:45:00 -
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HelPilot of20Years wrote:People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.
Titans. Everywhere.
Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V.
And then titans will get nerfed further and they'll rage and shriek even louder, it'll be great |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
138
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:58:00 -
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Gol'dar wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Why do you need more than 15 fighters?
This must be a trollpost. Why do You need 5 sentries on Your Dominix? With place for a second squad + other drones. Why do You need 10 drones on Your carrier? Subcaps can only launch 5 drones, why 10 on carrier? Why do You need x gun/missile launcher on Your "whatever"? 1 gun/missile launcher is acceptable. /trollmode off Carrier 5 = 20 fb/f, because CCP say so. Sure, CCP could castrate supers from 3fb/f to 2 fb/f per level. But this make no sence - if they should be capitalkillers furthermore. 15 fb on Aeon = 6K, on Nyx = 7,5K dps. Less than a dreadnought. With such stats (and no role) it would be better removing them from the database.
Why can't I put 5 sentries in my Gila? Why can't I put 5 heavies in my BS? Why do I have to reload, why can't I have infinite ammo?
CCP doesn't want you to have 20 -or- 20, they want you to choose. Sorry that's the way it is. They KNOW that you will have to mix. They know and that's the way it is.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
138
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Posted - 2011.11.22 00:02:00 -
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Phunnestyle wrote:LOL fool, you don't get it, yes blah blah subcap pilots want supers to be only anticapital capable,blah blah blah,so supers can't scratch your shield tanked blaster fitted prophecy,yes I know blah blah blah, but coming back to reality......
Rarely has anything been used for a sole purpose & it is stupid to think of it in such a way. Alot of alliances that actually know what there talking about unlike you evidently, are making fighters primary over FBs,so 20xFighters & possibly 10x FBs in drone bay & make enough room in hagar for other 10xFBs,wich leaves littel room for spare capital remote rep & transfer aswell as fuel. This is fail, needs drone bay to have enough room for 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers.
Read carefully vincent, your bringing things out of context & letting your few braincells run away with you. You might find it hard to read,but ask mummy to spell the words out for you, Supers will take a full set of fighters over FBs due to the fact that if there (intercepted) by a Subcap fleet, they need to be able to at least give a fight back, although you ofc would rather they sit like lemmings whilst you & your shield tanked blaster prophecy of fail can safely plod away at it.
I LOL@U vincent,special kid.
The minute one starts talking like an 11 year old the discussion has already ended.
You're mindlessly babbling now.
If you are "intercepted" by a subcap fleet, and yuo are alone, you deserve to die.
You should NOT be travelling without subcap support. You should NOT need to engage subcaps.
I don't know why I have to keep repeating myself to you. Stop thinking that your role is to engage subcaps because it is not. Keep thinking that and you will be one of the first to lose yours post patch. |
TinkerHell
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
3
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Posted - 2011.11.22 00:20:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote: CCP doesn't want you to have 20 -or- 20, they want you to choose. Sorry that's the way it is. They KNOW that you will have to mix. They know and that's the way it is.
I wont be mixing, I will just have 20 fighters and 15 bombers in my Nyx, and when a capital shows up ill just switch 5 fighters out of my corp hanger for the 5 bombers ill have stored there and have 20 bombers and 15 fighters instead.....and it will take me a whole of 10 seconds to switch out my drones. God bless 50km3 corp hangers, which should be renamed to be Secondary Drone Bay. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
118
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Posted - 2011.11.22 00:59:00 -
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HelPilot of20Years wrote: Indeed.
People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.
Titans. Everywhere.
Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V.
Well, I'm not sure what would be accomplished there when you take into account the changes to the DD's description on SISI.
Notes: This weapon can only fire on ships that are capital-sized or larger. After firing, you will be immobile for thirty seconds and will be unable to activate your jump drive or cloaking device for ten minutes.
If that makes it to Tranq I mean. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:33:00 -
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Lol, there was a nice hurricanes vs 10 titans and a giant pile of nyxes fight today. Guess what killed all the hurricanes? Hint: it wasn't overpowered supercarrier drones. |
Demon Azrakel
Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
53
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:48:00 -
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Chimera. CPU. +10%-20%. Now. |
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