Lol, there was a nice hurricanes vs 10 titans and a giant pile of nyxes fight today. Guess what killed all the hurricanes? Hint: it wasn't overpowered supercarrier drones.

Lol, there was a nice hurricanes vs 10 titans and a giant pile of nyxes fight today. Guess what killed all the hurricanes? Hint: it wasn't overpowered supercarrier drones.

Chimera. CPU. +10%-20%. Now.

Since it was not going to be read where I posted it.

[Archon, WH Triage]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Triage Module I
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Murky Energy Transmitter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Standard WH fit, not too expensive, right? Fits easily. You do not even have to fit all of those expensive modules for the fit to work; full meta 0 t2 fit works just fine. Feel free to toss the new t2 triage module on there. For higher DPS pvp when the enemies don't bring Bhaalgorns (in someone elses wormhole, for instance, and when not engaging R&K, AHARM, or any other big WH groups), bring two B-type EANMs instead of the one A-type. Fitting how you want, you have the CPU and PG to do ANYTHING with the archon (other than shield tank it. I guess triple rep is out, but you were an idiot for expecting that...).

Now the Caldari Equivalent:

[Chimera, Triage WH]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Triage Module I
Capital Murky Energy Transmitter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Fits by 4.25 CPU. Note all of the faction / meta 2 modules on there that have lower fitting requirements. You need them to do this. You need 5 CPU to fit the new t2 triage. Want to add something like a boost amp to that tank because no one is really neuting you? If you use a 5% CPU implant, you can fit a Pith C shield boost amp, and still not shoehorn that T2 triage module on there. You can do whatever you want with an archon, but hardly anything with a chimera.

5% CPU boost would make this ship less ******** to fit tbqfh.

EDIT: actually, shield Archon is not out of the question...As long as you run remote armor. Slightly less cap regen and base tank than the armor Archon, but the tank overheats for more. Also, it tanks more than the chimera with the fit posted above for slightly less (~20 or 30) cap regen. I would run it for ***** and giggles, but I have to choose either armor or shields boosts (this is a lie, my booster alt can run the resist bonus to shields and all three to armor at the same time; one would be less though because of which afk T3 i was in. I am also too lazy to grab my boost tengu given that I already have a properly fit 4 link nigh-unprobeable legion; the tengu is not that great.)

It's gonna take more than removing links from titans to keep their guns from blapping subcabs, hth. The patch is a step in the right direction but titans are still gonna rip BS gangs etc to shreds.

e: though I agree that the DD change has important ramifications for HICs in particular.

I wont be mixing, I will just have 20 fighters and 15 bombers in my Nyx, and when a capital shows up ill just switch 5 fighters out of my corp hanger for the 5 bombers ill have stored there and have 20 bombers and 15 fighters instead.....and it will take me a whole of 10 seconds to switch out my drones. God bless 50km3 corp hangers, which should be renamed to be Secondary Drone Bay.

Being forced to make a choice is exactly what Eve has always been about and for a few years players have been spoiled too much... Players expect to fit the largest guns with ease, expect to microwarp around constantly without cap mods fitted and permatanking the ratting ships has become the norm.

I blaim mostly rigs for powergrid and cap without consequences, but you guys shouldn't come crawling because you don't get your deepest fantasies fulfilled....

Pinky

So I ask again, why do you need more than 15 fighters?

1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers.

By that logic, dreadnaughts should fit battleship guns so that when they encounter a battleship fleet they can take them on.

Or you could realise that anti-subcap operations is not the role of either dreadnoughts OR supercarriers - it's something you should be leaving to your subcap fleet?

A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards.
This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence!

Will say it again :

It's like asking a guy what his salary should be. He'll tell you 12 bazillions because we all want our best toys buffed.

If you ask Superpilots how to nerf supers, they'll tell you how to nerf supers THE LEAST.

Because they own one, and they won't screw themselves up.

Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll
1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers.

2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective.

In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out.
Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike.

Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike.

A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards.
This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence!

Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll
1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers.
2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective.

In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out.
Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike.

A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards.
This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence!

Need room for 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters in drone bay CCP <-- plz read & plz do.

P.S. vincent your either a troll or an absoulte joke, either way I like I think every1 else see no reason to reply to your rubbish again.

PERFECTLY said mate, +100.

Signed!

Nyx is the only super able to have 35,so your quote is narrow minded just in those regards,as you would be refering to the other supers as 10Fighters GTFO of here troll
1stly Supers will have optimal amount of fighters due to being intercepted by Subcaps, it happens often enough now, but after the patch alot more Subcap fleets will have the ballz & new compositions to play with to go ballz deep on Supers.
2ndly Fighters are easy enough to take out in various ways. You your self should know that MM has a good bomber wing (the only good thing they have) and 1 of the focus's especially after the patch is going to be to take out Fighters. Alot of alliances if they havn't already are making bomber wings. At least with 20 Fighters you have the numbers out there for a majority to survive and still be somewhat effective.

In the Original patch comments, when some clueless noobs posted about decreasing the drone bay, there wasn't any serious opposition to it. The reason for that is beacuse no1 thought that such stupid comments would be listened to by CCP so didn't think anything of it. Rediculious to think that it was changed & we are now trying to sort the mess out.
Thats what happens when you listen to people who have no idea of the mechanics in question, but only wish to pass biased opinions of how they can make a super as useless as possible to benifit there particular aspect of game play. Listen to the Super pilots, they deserve the benifit of the doubt as alot of us experience every aspect subcap/capital & supercapital alike.

A lion cub wouldn't learn to hunt & kill from a snail, the snail has no experience or knowledge involving those regards.
This analogy applys to Supers, why should those who have no experience or knowledge of mechanics in question have a resounding say over Super pilots. Doesn't make any sence!

Need room for 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters in drone bay CCP <-- plz read & plz do.

Signed

Signed.

so everyone who is whining about having their drone bay size nerfed . . . what if they made it so you could carry 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers without the ability to mix and match?

IE a separate bay for fighters and fighter bombers.

TL;DR
Do you really want to field a flight of fighters or are you using that as an excuse to field endless amounts of fighter bombers like you can now.

God no! Not a ship made to do dps to other caps that could continue to do dps to other caps as long as it remains on the field! How imba is that!

Yes, people want to be able to carry fighters and bombers (a full compliment of both). No, they're not arguing for bigger bays so they could hold more bombers (35 bombers is already a lot of spares).