All we really need are passive invulnerability fields, balanced to not replace their active counterparts obviously.

I think he might really believe that if CCP were to introduce Cormack's Modified Supercharged Adaptive Nano Membrane, an active and overheatable 50% omni-resist armor hardener it won't get fitted to supercaps because its active.

So sad.

If you are ANYWHERE near where there is a fleet of those subcaps- even 8-10 of them, you should not be alone in your super or yes, you will die.

Saying it's not fair to pay 15b ISK for them to be vulnerable to losing offensive capibilities is stupid. It's scalable to saying you shouldn't lose a Vindicator to a Dramiel but you still can if you fly it like an idiot.

If CCP goes ahead and gives shield supers everything:

- shield "slave" implants
- instant full shield bonus from gangboost on session change
- deadspace invulns

They will be absurdly overpowered compared to armor supers. Armor supers do not have the "active module" version of the invuln/eanm, and do not get passive regeneration to their tanking layer. The Caldari supers will combine HUGE EHP -- much larger than armor supers -- with incredible passive tank (even in a pure EHP tank fit).

CCP is in serious danger of swinging supercap desirability too far to the shield supers instead of striking a balance.

I don't think I've ever ran a full rack on my Chimera. I've run 3 CSTs before and can run 2 stable 3 in triage stable (it's been a long time since I've done it). In reality, while the other 3 carriers can fit a full rack, they don't use it. In my highs I usually run 2x CST, CET, and a smartbomb. If I know I'm doing a POS rep even as a suicide I would still only run a max of 3x CSTs CET and triage.

Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.

How about letting the scs dock now? Theres absolutely no reason to force a character to be stuck in one any longer...

Update:

Based on feedback, the following changes have been made in addition to the previously proposed changes. They will most likely come to SISI on Monday or Tuesday.

Supercarriers
* All supercarriers: dronebay +25000 (5 extra fighters/fb)

Shield supercapitals
* Shield nerf changed from -20% to -10% (shield recharge rate also changed accordingly)
** New values should be 90% of current TQ value

Naglfar
* +2500 capacitor capacity (recharge time will be changed to have same base recharge.)

Nidhoggur:
* 7,5% bonus to armor and shield transfer amount per carrier level instead of 5%.
* +30000 PG
* +2500 capacitor capacity (recharge time will be changed to have same base recharge.)

Hel:
* 7,5% bonus to armor and shield transfer amount per carrier level instead of 5%.
* +5000 capacitor capacity (recharge time will be changed to have same base recharge.)

XL autocannons:
* +50% falloff

Titan tracking issue:
* "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare" will also make you immune to remote "electronic assistance", that is: remote tracking enhancers and remote sensor boosters.


I also want to tell you that there are other very valid concerns that we will be looking into, but they will not make it into the November release. We don't have the solutions to all of these, but as I said, we will to try to find solutions to these issues after the November release.

* Shield leadership bonus should work like an armor bonus and not require recharging shields after every jump.
* Capital ships cyno bumping/bouncing issue
* XL missiles explosion radius and explosion velocity
* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.
* There needs to be a remote shield boost implant like the 'Gentry' ZEX2000 is for armor
* There need to be deadspace shield invulnerability fields equivalent to the A-Type EANM modules

I like what I see.

Would still prefer the hel to switch to armor, since a logistics-hub supercarrier using a different tanking type than nearly everyone around it is such an obvious, expensive lynchpin.

#1 i think youre forgetting that the nidhogger has the extra lows to fit those co-processors . . . in fact, coincidentally, it has exactly two extra low slots over the chimera to fit those two extra co-processors . . .
#2 lets not forget that the thanatos has the same problem, it doesnt really totally fit in a shield or an armor setup

That being said, I wouldnt mind loosening up the fitting on the nidhogger a bit maybe +50 CPU

Except for the fact that you SHOULD.

You're confusing cap stability and fitting issues. A four rep archon isn't stable, but it's a possible fit. A four rep chimera isn't stable, but it's a possible fit. A four shield rep nid, the reppiest of carriers, is impossible without fitting mods.

If a carrier fleet is repping armor (incapped mods say, or the armor cycle of a sov structure) then the archons SHOULD be able to (and can) fit 4 reps, and the chimeras can transfer cap to them to do so.

If a carrier fleet is repping shield (POS say, or shield cycle of a sov structure) then the chimeras SHOULD be able to (and can) fit 4 reps, and the archons can transfer cap to them to do so.

Now, we bring in the nidhoggur. It's not the chimera or the archon - it has no bonus to tank. It's more vulnerable on the field. But it's got a super rep bonus. It should be the king of reps. It should be better than either the archon or the chimera at repping, right? I mean that's what it's for? But while a four armor rep nid is possible with no fitting issues, a four shield rep chimera needs TWO CO-PROCESSOR IIs to do it. Two fitting mods.

This is just wrong.

Update:
* Shield leadership bonus should work like an armor bonus and not require recharging shields after every jump.
* Capital ships cyno bumping/bouncing issue
* XL missiles explosion radius and explosion velocity
* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.
* There needs to be a remote shield boost implant like the 'Gentry' ZEX2000 is for armor
* There need to be deadspace shield invulnerability fields equivalent to the A-Type EANM modules

clap clap, motherships continue on the path of uselessnes go ccp go...

1. You do realise that a shield slave set would boost to Wyvern to EHP levels even the Aeon couldnt get before the nerf ?
After the nerf a decent fit Wyvern with fulll tank setup should have about 40m ehp.
If the shield slave set would be similar to the armor one Wyvern would end up with 60m ehp before any kind of fleet bonus.

2. Why is there a need for deadspace Invuls if the current faction ones are already hell of a lot better than faction EANMs ?
Even the T2 Invuls have a better bonus than a Navy EANM with all V.
Caldari Navy/DG Invuls have 37.5 % bonus, thats more than a-type EANM with all V (35,3906%)

You should try to make Shield and armor equal at all cost.

^this

dont give shield slave, dont make deadspace invul. shield and armor are fine as it is. remove the passive recharge on shield, make invul passive, then we'll talk about shield slave

and why not? why should only armor tanks have a implant set that gives them a MASSIV boost in ehp while shield tanker only get a implant set that is useless in pvp.. and a shield slave set will not break shield tank supers because their hardners (invus) need cap its impossible to fit a shield super passiv the same way you do with armor so dont complain.. also trying to compare faction invus with eanm's is retraded! why? one needs capacitor to work the other not.. plus the bonus res passiv armor hardner and eanm's get from skills do not stake so if you take staking into account right now Faction invu vs A-Type EANM should be about equal with the differnce that invu will need cap to work..

And all this wankerizing about Motherships getting nerfed... get a grip.

Motherships will still be the equivalent of high-DPS dreads, with excellent damage projection (that even follows its targets in warp for Pete's sake), Remote ECM Burst, no siege mode to worry about, and 10-30x the EHP of a Dread (can't be DD'd in one shot by Titans) with massively improved resists.

Seriously. How is that in any way bad.

Thinking at alliance level, putting the ISk equivalent of a supercarrier in dreads on the filed (that;s 13 at roughly 20 bil a fitted SC vs. 1.5 bil a fitted dread) you achieve:
-about 10 times more DPS (that can shoot POSes too)
-about 2/3 EHP (13x2 mil EHP=26 bil EHP
-you can only reduce the incoming DPS by killing dreads, which is more difficult than killing bombers.
-dreads are insurable (meaning you can probably lose 2-3x the equivalent ISK value in dreads before you get the same net loss as for a supercap).