OP,

Did you receive the mail yourself? (NO!)
Did you receive the mails that were sent beforehand? (NO)

What are you complaining about than?
If the original receiver of said mail would speak up with his/her main we'd have a basis for a discussion.
I take it he/she won't however, since we talked about it before and after the sending of said mail.

Sorry I can't say many concrete things because THAT would be embarassing for some.

D.

Sure, and you HAD to mention that because it's so SUPERsekret and SUPERexciting!

Yes it is

Sucks for you that your NPC corp doesn't offer you any exitement of the player created kind.
I take it that's why you try to dump on people actually making effort to create some content and background for others to enjoy.

D.

I apologize, when coming down to your level I felt less secure and therefor reacted with childish remarks to your well thought out statements.

D.

Sucks for you that your NPC corp doesn't offer you any exitement of the player created kind.

Obmud my friend, I am honestly taken aback that you would find offense in such a selfless act as the Marmites are engaged in. Not only are they trying to help people who are truthfully in the direst of need. But they are simply trying to spread that good will around the galaxy.
That your so overwhelmed with the spirit of Scrooge is apparent. I only hope this will be one of the spirits of Christmas visited upon you this night. For you should find less offense at such a selfless act, and feel much more warm and fuzzy that someone has the kahunas to bring unwilling participants and willing alike into the fold. Giving them the opportunity nay privilege to help a nation torn by Natural Disaster.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. (your prejudice is showing)

Fly True, Strike Sure, and Keep Up!

Stationmonkey

Besides the fact that you're a coward posting with an npc alt...
...CCP said they're not happy with people doing this.


I can't put my finger on who said it... hm...

Apology accepted.

So I log back to eve to see the marmites wardeccing left and right.

Here's the mail they sent out with the decs:

"We thought it would be a good idea to war dec alliances. And if they want to surrender they will have to donate a plex to the lex for good campaign. We just want to do something to support the Plex for good campaign of ccp".

I have several problems with this...

This leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, i understand when people bully others in eve just for their sheer pleasure and the harvest of tears, some (if not all) of the best stories in eve have come through the loss of someone else and they following rage and machoism is just the icing of the cake. However, why do you have to mix this with a tragedy that happened in real life ?

Can we PLEASE keep this separate ? How much and if i donated something to the philippines is my personal matter, i dont want to talk about it in eve, i dont even want to lay out how much i sent, it's none of your guys business and i certainly don't want to be blackmailed into a RL activity by anyone nomatter how "good" it is. You can dec me all day long just to be a ****, thats completely fine, this is eve in the end.

I would like to play a game when i play the game and not have this in my face all the time, especially since we come from all walks of life, i can think of alot of examples where such humanitarian aid would be a slap in your face if you just come from the wrong country or different ideology when in fact you would just love to play the game. (not in this case maybe, but where do you draw the line ?)

Plex for Good through CCP is fine, it's something i can choose to do freely and i think its great that ccp took action on behalf of the community. But this ? What if they use it as a scam to make money ?
What if they lift the dec afterwards and then dec you again but this time for other reasons ? How... i dont even... ???

I'm probably getting flamed for this but i can't make sense of it and would love to get some input from you guys.

(no, i didnt get wardecced, this is my main and he's in an npc corp, no i'm not butthurt, no eve is not dieing, no it's not my brother who used this account)

It was mentioned in a couple of other threads on the topic but I forget by who. One of the pirates posting in support of PFG floated the idea of extorting donations as ransoms but then later posted to say that they had been told not to do this by CCP and to just take isk and donate it themselves. If memory serves another pirate then reported the same response in another of the threads.

Methinks you missed the very apparent point in his original comment!
I also would like to ask the OP how much you have personally donated to the relief fund?

You know what?

I didn't donate a thing.
I won't donate a single ISK.

The amount of bull regarding this is ridiculous!
I bet most people don't actually donate a single cent of their own money,
while at the same time keep telling themselves what kind of good people they are!

I hope CCP can reduce their taxes with this,
because all you who don't pay a single cent of real money,
are donating somebody elses money!

And you feel good about it too!

WOAH you are such good people!
Really! OMG I BOW BEFORE YOU!

*********** !

You also have missed the point in that there is no extortion going on here only options in surrendering to a wardec as I read it.
Option 1, pay a surrender fee. which is part of the mechanic
Option 2, pay a plex which will be donated to the relief fund and is also only done because of the blackmailing. Which is a way of helping people caught up in a very bad disater.

You also have missed the point in that there is no extortion going on here only options in surrendering to a wardec as I read it.
Option 1, pay a surrender fee. which is part of the mechanic
Option 2, pay a plex which will be donated to the relief fund. Which is a way of helping people caught up in a very bad disater.

If people feel that it is extortion then make a personal donation outside the options given even if you are wardecced or not.

1. It's none of your business, i stated already that i belief in not bloating about it wether you give something or not. it's everybody's personal business.

So what is your real purpose here as it certainly is not just about Marmites raising isk for a worthy relief fund, I believe you have alterior motives in bringing this.

It's not that extortion in game is a bad thing (it's not) but both option 1 and 2 are clearly instances of extortion. You pay a fee to avoid the threat of force being used against you. That is just what extortion is.

Blackmailing people into doing stuff that they wouldn't do otherwise in the RL world is a criminal offence. It has nothing to do with a game mechanic, that is EXACTLY my point and it nowhere justifies everything you do just because ccp tolerates the double isk scammers in jita. I have problems understanding your logic to be honest.

You can buy PLEX with in game currency....If someone chooses to do it with Real world money thats their choice. Therefore Valid game mechanic.

Then petition CCP to remove the option in the surrender mechanic of paying a fee to surrender as it is they who introduced it.