How much and if i donated something to the philippines is my personal matter, i dont want to talk about it in eve, i dont even want to lay out how much i sent, it's none of your guys business and i certainly don't want to be blackmailed into a RL activity by anyone nomatter how "good" it is. You can dec me all day long just to be a ****, thats completely fine, this is eve in the end.

What else should we expect from hisec mercs.

But yeah, it's not a really good intentioned thing. It's other people's isk/plex getting coerced into it. If they did care then they'd use their own isk/plex they are paid in their normal business to wardec people to put towards the campaign.

Except for donations for the charity.

No it isn't lol. If that were the case, pretty much everything in the world is blackmail.

Now, that's absolutely fine in EvE but this the PFG initiative has one foot in EvE and one foot in the real world so particular care has to be taken with associating behaviours that are unacceptable in the real world but fine in EvE with it.

How they frame their conditions in precisely the point. As you say, what they do with the ransom they collect is nobody's business, so why even bring PFG into the conversation since they can make their donations without making a public link between ransoms and PFG. There is no benefit to the charity and a significant possibility of a downside, so if they have the initiative's best interests at heart they should not pursue this approach any further. There is a reason that CCP has told pirates not to demand PFG donations as ransoms and exactly the same set of reasons apply in this case.

Perhaps their victims are more likely to cough up when they are donating to a good cause, thus raising a bit of extra money for said good cause, that wouldn't have been available otherwise?

I'm sure none of the rl victims will mind that their food and shelter were paid for in part due to the actions of *ebil piwates* in a video game.

I find it absolutely hillarious and sad at the same time how people justify this blackmailing by saying it's not blackmailing. And how some argue that the cause justifies all means.

It's not your business how much i donate and i don't let myself bully into it, end of line.

To the person who said i want the wardec lifted... right, Because the Viziam get wardecced so much. -.-

And it is, of course, blackmail. Do x or you will suffer negative consequences y is just what blackmail is.

No it isn't lol. If that were the case, pretty much everything in the world is blackmail.

So it's ok to squeeze it out of people as long as you the agressor thinks it's for a good cause ? Got some news for you, noone does anything in this world without thinking in his mind that it's a good thing for one reason or another after weighing in the positives and negatives. Still we have wars in the real world over all kinds of stupid crap. Stop imposing what you think is good on others nomatter how clear it might be. Do and keep it ingame.

What's sad is that you would place hoarding your internet space riches above the well-being of others in real life.
If this is causing you sleepless nights, you may need to recalibrate your personal scale of atrocities..
"all means" indeed.. lmao.

If you're not inclined to pay, don't.

It's ok to ransom people in eve.
You are imposing what you think is good on others by denying this simple fact.

It's ok to ransom people in eve.
You are imposing what you think is good on others by denying this simple fact.

Considering the Red cross will use 90% of the money people donate just to pay the exorbitant salaries of their executives... that itself should get you a way bitter taste than anything related to wars. I myself would never donate a single penny to red cross. I just use this money to help smaller entities close by that I can see exactly how they use the money while operatign under the natinal jurisdiction and strictly forbidden to use the money for anything other than direct help.

Imagine the outrage if the Red Cross would find out some of the money they received was earned by hurting peaceful rocks in a spaceship computer gameGǪ

To stay on topic, we have on average 50 new wardecs every week, we negotiate surrender for isk on a daily basis and we sent out the mail in the OP to only a select few corps.

In other words, we know who you areGǪ If you arenGÇÖt the CEO of your corp, I suggest you talk to him first before drama posting nonsense.
If you arenGÇÖt who we think you are than good job on taking things out of context and blowing them up well beyond any form of proportion.

Anyhow, as said before, we do other things for this particular charity in EVE employing our normal gameplay, we also are invested in other charities in and out of EVE.

Fly safe

D.

You keep reciting that, it's an opinion by the way not a fact. Lets try to do this eloquent then:


"It's ok to ransom people in eve."
Thats an absolute statement that implies that under ALL circumstances it's alright to ransom people.

I can easily come up with a couple examples the falsify that:


"Give me your Real Life adress or i will Harass you to no end."

"Give me 3 billion or i will make jokes about on Fanfest in a public Presentation and suggest that you should kill yourself"

"Give me this or i'll ******* murder you in real life"


Notice the thing ? It's not just "right" under any circumstance it's the means and consequences. Therefore again, keep ingame ingame. Do not mix it with other stuff.

And learn the difference between a factual statement and an opinion that has no actual arguments to support it.

Imagine the outrage if the Red Cross would find out some of the money they received was earned by hurting peaceful rocks in a spaceship computer gameGǪ

To stay on topic, we have on average 50 new wardecs every week, we negotiate surrender for isk on a daily basis and we sent out the mail in the OP to only a select few corps.

In other words, we know who you areGǪ If you arenGÇÖt the CEO of your corp, I suggest you talk to him first before drama posting nonsense.
If you arenGÇÖt who we think you are than good job on taking things out of context and blowing them up well beyond any form of proportion.

Anyhow, as said before, we do other things for this particular charity in EVE employing our normal gameplay, we also are invested in other charities in and out of EVE.

Fly safe

D.

I won't go through the trouble of quantifying my statements to account for readers who lack common sense.
If you feel your examples are arguably on the same level as the Marmite Plex for Good drive, I pity you.

You are being serious, are you ?

Blackmail is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain or cause loss to another unless a demand is met.[1][2] It may be defined as coercion involving threats of physical harm, threat of criminal prosecution, or threats for the purposes of taking the person's money or property.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail

So it's ok to squeeze it out of people as long as you the agressor thinks it's for a good cause?

Cool, a definition from wikipedia. Here's a definition from the dictionary;

black-+mail
n.
1.
a. Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information.
b. Something of value extorted in this manner.

Uh-huh.

False analogy, ad hominem

"Give me your Real Life adress or i will Harass you to no end."

"Give me 3 billion or i will make jokes about on Fanfest in a public Presentation and suggest that you should kill yourself"

"Give me this or i'll ******* murder you in real life"

Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.

Eh, yes ? Do you like to punch yourself in the face ? That is exactly the point that was made against you.