OP,

Did you receive the mail yourself? (NO!)
Did you receive the mails that were sent beforehand? (NO)

What are you complaining about than?
If the original receiver of said mail would speak up with his/her main we'd have a basis for a discussion.
I take it he/she won't however, since we talked about it before and after the sending of said mail.

Sorry I can't say many concrete things because THAT would be embarassing for some.

FTFY


"If people feel that it is extortion then make a personal donation outside the options given even if you are wardecced or not."

That is exactly my point, thank you for underlining it again.

What exactly did you miss when going from "it's their choice" to being forced into making the choice ?

0/10. RL Bullies play codblops not spreadsheets in space.

(no, i didnt get wardecced, this is my main and he's in an npc corp, no i'm not butthurt, no eve is not dieing, no it's not my brother who used this account)

What would be the difference if they just wardecced you without the message? This sentence alone should end this mofoing thread of stupidity. I hope Marmite or whoever they are keep the plex that idiots give to them instead of fighting.. Pussies, a lot of you!

What would be the difference if they just wardecced you without the message? This sentence alone should end this mofoing thread of stupidity. I hope Marmite or whoever they are keep the plex that idiots give to them instead of fighting.. Pussies, a lot of you!

Ah, so words dont matter anymore RIght

You ... you hope they use a real life disaster to scam PLEXes out of people and then use them for their own benefit, depriving people in real life need of the help that the PLEXes should be providing? Are you ill or just stupid?

Its a game you really think they are doing it to give back? Please HTFU..

All players have been warned about exactly this in the Dev blog.



So you see, if they are doing this, and they are keeping it for themselves, then they are doing something wrong, and CCP will step in. If they are actually doing what they claim they are, then it is not a scam, and CCP have no reason to step in.

Its a game you really think they are doing it to give back? Please HTFU..

The point of my own post was expressly that the wording doesn't matter, because they could be doing the exact same thing with different wording.

wording ALWAYS matter.

just imagine this picture:
1) i say that you are moron <-- that would be offensive and that's all
2) i say that you are (insert name of any race here) moron <-- that would be racism and this is completely different story

So again: wording always matter

Personally I just dislike seeing the word "bullied" being thrown about so casually in this context. This is a PVP game at heart, and Marmite using game mechanics to try to accomplish something good out of the deal is neither bullying nor is it a bad thing. Sure, you may not like it if you're on the receiving end of the stick, but were it "bullying" then it would be personal. Application of force to achieve goals, personal, corporate, industrial, financial, or political is a day to day commodity in this game. Don't muddy the waters by trying to tie a controversial social ill into the actions of pvp'ers doing pvp things. You don't like it? Don't pay. Otherwise, pay up and know that through your inglorious defeat in internet starship land you may have just actually helped to do a good thing in the real world... remind me again how that is a bad thing?

I broadly agree with what you are saying but think things are a little more complex in this particular limited circumstance. The problem is that this kind of action is not one that takes place entirely within the magic circle of the game because it turns on forcing someone to act in a way that is a) motivated by out of game considerations, and b) deliberately has an out of game effect. Because these ingame actions interface with the real world outside the game in this special case there is, I think, quite a strong case to be made that the special rules that apply within the magic circle have to be moderated to take account of the interaction with the real world outside the game.

It is a difficult question for the rather underdeveloped field of virtual ethics but there does seem to me to be a genuinely tricky issue here caused by the blurring of boundaries. In such a case I would be inclined to play it safe and to avoid any direct link between ingame coercion and donations to the RC both because there are difficult ethical questions around the issue and because even the perception of ethical difficulties could harm the image of the Plex drive in the minds of some players. Since there really seems to be no upside for the charity that comes from taking this approach (as ransoms can just be taken as normal and then donated to PFG without bringing it up in the exchange with the victim) and there might be a number of negative impacts, it seems best to err on the side of caution.

Gee, I'm so glad that we're not talking about the RL world, but about an internet spaceship game in which it's valid gameplay.

Ever heard of oportunity costs ? It's NOT valid, it doesnt matter if you just keep repeating it without giving a proper reason.

This leaves a very sour taste in my mouth,

All those that have been war dec'd should coordinate together and teach the aggressor what happens when you over extend yourself?

I applaud Marmite's generosity.

The OP needs to remember that Marmite would be wardeccing people for profit anyway. It is kind of their thing. They have just chosen to forego some of their isk profit to help the good people of the Phillipines in their time of need. Nobody is forcing you to pay. In the case that you have some sort of ideological objection to helping Filipinos, you can feel free not to donate and enjoy the war for what it is (you racist ****).

Considering the Red cross will use 90% of the money people donate just to pay the exorbitant salaries of their executives