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Pretty Pennie Pava
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:06:00 -
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so, when I try to raise funds for plex for good by selling/auctioning stuff with the goal of raising 10-20+ plex for the charity drive, i'm a piece of ****, but when high-sec war decc griefers extort for the same purpose, it's valid. makes sense. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2012
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:10:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:There are no grey areas here. And so New Eden has delivered another crushing blow to negative attitudes among those who want to prevent the progress of mankind. CCP, saviour of our future.
Oh god. |
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CCP Falcon
4807
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:11:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:There are no grey areas here. And so New Eden has delivered another crushing blow to negative attitudes among those who want to prevent the progress of mankind. CCP, saviour of our future.
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CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
41
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:13:00 -
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So, I read most of the thread. How will CCP prove the plexes that are being asked for are going to the cause and not Marmite's pocket? |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:22:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:There are no grey areas here. And so New Eden has delivered another crushing blow to negative attitudes among those who want to prevent the progress of mankind. CCP, saviour of our future.
Yeah! Finally you've struck down a morally low person such as i! We shall celebrate it on the plaza by hanging them high. Because all i ever wanted is to halt the good of mankind, I'm glad we finally cleared this up because the whole topic is just THAT simple, unfortunately i was to dumb to see it. I'm so glad the world is just black and white. Unfortunately i ended up on the black side of the spectrum. Signature. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4361
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:25:00 -
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Serdar Tyrnx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: I've spoken with the GM Team regarding this, and the decision is quite simple.
Corporate extortion via demand for payment to cease hostilities is a valid game mechanic.
If this valid game mechanic is being used as a method of raising ISK for a good cause, then CCP will not intervene.
So if it was a valid game mechanic and was not used for raising ISK for a good cause, CCP would then intervene? CCP Falcon, while you generally make epic posts, that was poorly constructed ;)
The other option is, "if this valid game mechanic is being used as a method of harassment of a particular player, CCP will intervene."
Stop trying to wheedle and loophole. You're not really as clever as you think you are. Smart, yes. But noone likes a smart arse. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2012
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:28:00 -
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Obmud wrote:Yeah! Finally you've struck down a morally low person such as i! We shall celebrate it on the plaza by hanging them high. Because all i ever wanted is to halt the good of mankind, I'm glad we finally cleared this up because the whole topic is just THAT simple, unfortunately i was to dumb to see it. I'm so glad the world is just black and white. Unfortunately i ended up on the black side of the spectrum. It's not too late to change your ways.
Oh god. |
Montami
Love Squad Black Legion.
44
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:29:00 -
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Look at all these carebears crying. A degenerate WOW generation. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:30:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Obmud wrote:Yeah! Finally you've struck down a morally low person such as i! We shall celebrate it on the plaza by hanging them high. Because all i ever wanted is to halt the good of mankind, I'm glad we finally cleared this up because the whole topic is just THAT simple, unfortunately i was to dumb to see it. I'm so glad the world is just black and white. Unfortunately i ended up on the black side of the spectrum. It's not too late to change your ways.
I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00
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Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
42
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:34:00 -
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I kinda wish Falcon would answer my question. Please? Pretty please? *flutters eyelashes* |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2012
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:45:00 -
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Obmud wrote:I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00 You should sig that, it will look good on you. Oh god. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:51:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Obmud wrote:I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00 You should sig that, it will look good on you.
I just did, just wait till it shows up. Thanks for the invitation to the party btw, just received the invitation, will be there!
xoxo Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00
You should sig that, it will look good on you. |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2461
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:03:00 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:So, I read most of the thread. How will CCP prove the plexes that are being asked for are going to the cause and not Marmite's pocket?
Shouldn't matter. Scams are perfectly legal anyway. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
42
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:07:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Lasairiona Raske wrote:So, I read most of the thread. How will CCP prove the plexes that are being asked for are going to the cause and not Marmite's pocket? Shouldn't matter. Scams are perfectly legal anyway.
Based on what they said, it's not classed as a scam unless Marmite does not donate the plexes gained through extortion to the named cause. They said if this were the case, they would investigate. I'm trying to determine how they would prove that the plexes being extorted are going to the cause.
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Arduemont
The State of War.
2461
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:17:00 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:Arduemont wrote:Lasairiona Raske wrote:So, I read most of the thread. How will CCP prove the plexes that are being asked for are going to the cause and not Marmite's pocket? Shouldn't matter. Scams are perfectly legal anyway. Based on what they said, it's not classed as a scam unless Marmite does not donate the plexes gained through extortion to the named cause. They said if this were the case, they would investigate. I'm trying to determine how they would prove that the plexes being extorted are going to the cause.
I just mean, that why would they bother to investigate? Scams are perfectly within the bounds of the EULA. Even if they did investigate and find it was a scam, they wouldn't do anything. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
42
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:18:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Lasairiona Raske wrote:Arduemont wrote:Lasairiona Raske wrote:So, I read most of the thread. How will CCP prove the plexes that are being asked for are going to the cause and not Marmite's pocket? Shouldn't matter. Scams are perfectly legal anyway. Based on what they said, it's not classed as a scam unless Marmite does not donate the plexes gained through extortion to the named cause. They said if this were the case, they would investigate. I'm trying to determine how they would prove that the plexes being extorted are going to the cause. I just mean, that why would they bother to investigate? Scams are perfectly within the bounds of the EULA. Even if they did investigate and find it was a scam, they wouldn't do anything.
So why say that they would investigate? |
Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
249
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:19:00 -
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Arduemont wrote: I just mean, that why would they bother to investigate? Scams are perfectly within the bounds of the EULA. Even if they did investigate and find it was a scam, they wouldn't do anything.
As stated by CCP, they'll ban us and they have the means to verify as do you.
D.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1687
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:19:00 -
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Quote:Unfortunately, as long as someone is saying something on the subject it's not. Last time i checked when a law is decided in a country people dont magically vanish of the oposing opinion.
Unfortunately for you, this isn't a democracy. This is a dictatorship. And the people in charge just said that not only is it perfectly ok, but that there are no grey areas, it's not maybe ok, it's not kinda ok.
It is 100% ok. Perfectly acceptable in every way. And that means that you are wrong should you continue to disagree.
End of story. You don't get a mistrial, you don't get an appeal, and you don't get a second opinion.
Game over man, game over. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. Moon Warriors
58
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:22:00 -
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Obmud wrote:So I log back to eve to see the marmites wardeccing left and right.
Here's the mail they sent out with the decs:
"We thought it would be a good idea to war dec alliances. And if they want to surrender they will have to donate a plex to the lex for good campaign. We just want to do something to support the Plex for good campaign of ccp".
I have several problems with this...
This leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, i understand when people bully others in eve just for their sheer pleasure and the harvest of tears, some (if not all) of the best stories in eve have come through the loss of someone else and they following rage and machoism is just the icing of the cake. However, why do you have to mix this with a tragedy that happened in real life ?
Can we PLEASE keep this separate ? How much and if i donated something to the philippines is my personal matter, i dont want to talk about it in eve, i dont even want to lay out how much i sent, it's none of your guys business and i certainly don't want to be blackmailed into a RL activity by anyone nomatter how "good" it is. You can dec me all day long just to be a ****, thats completely fine, this is eve in the end.
I would like to play a game when i play the game and not have this in my face all the time, especially since we come from all walks of life, i can think of alot of examples where such humanitarian aid would be a slap in your face if you just come from the wrong country or different ideology when in fact you would just love to play the game. (not in this case maybe, but where do you draw the line ?)
Plex for Good through CCP is fine, it's something i can choose to do freely and i think its great that ccp took action on behalf of the community. But this ? What if they use it as a scam to make money ? What if they lift the dec afterwards and then dec you again but this time for other reasons ? How... i dont even... ???
I'm probably getting flamed for this but i can't make sense of it and would love to get some input from you guys.
(no, i didnt get wardecced, this is my main and he's in an npc corp, no i'm not butthurt, no eve is not dieing, no it's not my brother who used this account)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, WAIT A MINUTE.
You're telling me that you approve of tear-harvesting and bullying for no other reason but to swell e-peens and internet egos that mean nothing in the real world, but are opposed to extortion when it has an end goal of raising money for something real?
You are trolling way to hard. That, or your morals need some refitting bro.
"There is no good and evil. There is only power, and those too weak to seek it."
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Decian Cor
Disconnected. Moon Warriors
58
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:24:00 -
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Obmud wrote:So I log back to eve to see the marmites wardeccing left and right.
Here's the mail they sent out with the decs:
"We thought it would be a good idea to war dec alliances. And if they want to surrender they will have to donate a plex to the lex for good campaign. We just want to do something to support the Plex for good campaign of ccp".
I have several problems with this...
This leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, i understand when people bully others in eve just for their sheer pleasure and the harvest of tears, some (if not all) of the best stories in eve have come through the loss of someone else and they following rage and machoism is just the icing of the cake. However, why do you have to mix this with a tragedy that happened in real life ?
Can we PLEASE keep this separate ? How much and if i donated something to the philippines is my personal matter, i dont want to talk about it in eve, i dont even want to lay out how much i sent, it's none of your guys business and i certainly don't want to be blackmailed into a RL activity by anyone nomatter how "good" it is. You can dec me all day long just to be a ****, thats completely fine, this is eve in the end.
I would like to play a game when i play the game and not have this in my face all the time, especially since we come from all walks of life, i can think of alot of examples where such humanitarian aid would be a slap in your face if you just come from the wrong country or different ideology when in fact you would just love to play the game. (not in this case maybe, but where do you draw the line ?)
Plex for Good through CCP is fine, it's something i can choose to do freely and i think its great that ccp took action on behalf of the community. But this ? What if they use it as a scam to make money ? What if they lift the dec afterwards and then dec you again but this time for other reasons ? How... i dont even... ???
I'm probably getting flamed for this but i can't make sense of it and would love to get some input from you guys.
(no, i didnt get wardecced, this is my main and he's in an npc corp, no i'm not butthurt, no eve is not dieing, no it's not my brother who used this account)
Wait a minute, wait a minute, WAIT A MINUTE. Whether Marmite is really doing this for good or bad is unbeknownst to us.
But you're telling me that you approve of tear-harvesting and bullying for no other reason but to swell e-peens and internet egos that mean nothing in the real world, but are opposed to extortion when it has an end goal of raising money for something real?
You are trolling way to hard. That, or your morals need some refitting bro. "There is no good and evil. There is only power, and those too weak to seek it."
Unfiltered for the masses. |
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Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:25:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Arduemont wrote: I just mean, that why would they bother to investigate? Scams are perfectly within the bounds of the EULA. Even if they did investigate and find it was a scam, they wouldn't do anything.
As stated by CCP, they'll ban us and they have the means to verify as do you. D.
I have no means of verifying that you or anyone else acting as a third party collector for P4G has passed anything on to P4G. Only CCP can do that and the only way they will know if you have scammed is if they investigate which means they must investigate by default, even if it turns out you collected nothing.
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CCP Falcon
4808
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:32:00 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:I kinda wish Falcon would answer my question. Please? Pretty please? *flutters eyelashes*
Sorry, I can't marry you. My heart belongs to CCP Masterplan.
On a more serious note, our GMs are looking very carefully at everything going on around PLEX for GOOD.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
42
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:33:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Lasairiona Raske wrote:I kinda wish Falcon would answer my question. Please? Pretty please? *flutters eyelashes* Sorry, I can't marry you. My heart belongs to CCP Masterplan. On a more serious note, our GMs are looking very carefully at everything going on around PLEX for GOOD.
Pah, you know Eric is marrying Lasa -_^
Anyways, thank you so much for answering my question. It's good to know that the activities are being monitored. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1687
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:34:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Lasairiona Raske wrote:I kinda wish Falcon would answer my question. Please? Pretty please? *flutters eyelashes* Sorry, I can't marry you. My heart belongs to CCP Masterplan. On a more serious note, our GMs are looking very carefully at everything going on around PLEX for GOOD.
You heard the man! The GMs are distracted!
Let the character sale scams begin! Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
193
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:35:00 -
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"Alliances who wish to surrender will have to pay PLEX which we will donate to PFG" is fine - and entirely valid gameplay.
"Alliances who wish to surrender will have to donate a PLEX to PFG" is subtly different. It's not just normal extortion and somehow it feels wrong to me. I'm not even sure why given that not only is the result the same but there remains an element of choice... |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
354
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:55:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:"Alliances who wish to surrender will have to pay PLEX which we will donate to PFG" is fine - and entirely valid gameplay.
"Alliances who wish to surrender will have to donate a PLEX to PFG" is subtly different. It's not just normal extortion and somehow it feels wrong to me. I'm not even sure why given that not only is the result the same but there remains an element of choice...
You also have the choice to not surrender.
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:Unfortunately, as long as someone is saying something on the subject it's not. Last time i checked when a law is decided in a country people dont magically vanish of the oposing opinion. Unfortunately for you, this isn't a democracy. This is a dictatorship. And the people in charge just said that not only is it perfectly ok, but that there are no grey areas, it's not maybe ok, it's not kinda ok. It is 100% ok. Perfectly acceptable in every way. And that means that you are wrong should you continue to disagree. End of story. You don't get a mistrial, you don't get an appeal, and you don't get a second opinion. Game over man, game over.
Are you SERIOUS ?
A dictatorship ? You're talking out of your behind mate, you have literally no clue what it feels like or means to live in a dictatorship. If you fail to realize the difference you're beyond help. Having rules is the case in both systems, the dictatorship opresses different opinions which CCP doesn't. You basically just accused them of doing that.
And while it's not a direct democracy you certainly have ways to influence the actual state of the state by various means, ccp does actually listen to their community either through direct subscriptions, CSM and places like here, forums. That's not exactly a quality of a totalitarian government.
Either that or you are really uneducated on the topic. I wish i was trolling here but i'm seriously speechless. Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00
You should sig that, it will look good on you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12666
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:07:00 -
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Obmud wrote:
Hooray! We established that they think it's okay. No problem with that, i still don't agree.
Persisting in believing what palpably isn't true is the god-given right of every free person. However, so is laughing at people who do so, and I am.
Obmud wrote:For some people what CCP thinks is not god's word. I'm still allowed to speak up, last time i checked this was an open forum.
Oh look, here's another example! Wait, two! Actually CCP is "God's word" with respect to what is allowable in game, and this isn't an "open forum" (for one thing you have to be subscribed to EVE to post in it).
Listen man I realise it kind of hurts when you find out you're wrong, and I realise it's also very annoying when people just refuse to understand how right you would be if the world worked properly but persisting in believing in what just aint so will only make you a figure of fun. Whilst I like a laugh at someone else's expense as much as the next man, there's only so many times you can see someone walk into a french window whilst loudly proclaiming that "rock can't be invisible" before you start to feel a little sorry for him.
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Mhax Arthie
187
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:12:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: ...
If this valid game mechanic is being used as a method of raising ISK for a good cause, then CCP will not intervene.
So CCP will now endorse a charity by force method. That's low and sick! Nobody should be forced into charity action, even if we talk about a video game and pixels. Those pixels/money are covered by hate and that's fukin wrong. Hope that the marmites will drop this idea and if they really wish to help people in need, then they will find another source of income. C'mon guys, ur much better that this. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Obmud wrote:
Hooray! We established that they think it's okay. No problem with that, i still don't agree.
Persisting in believing what palpably isn't true is the god-given right of every free person. However, so is laughing at people who do so, and I am. Obmud wrote:For some people what CCP thinks is not god's word. I'm still allowed to speak up, last time i checked this was an open forum.
Oh look, here's another example! Wait, two! Actually CCP is "God's word" with respect to what is allowable in game, and this isn't an "open forum" (for one thing you have to be subscribed to EVE to post in it). Listen man I realise it kind of hurts when you find out you're wrong, and I realise it's also very annoying when people just refuse to understand how right you would be if the world worked properly but persisting in believing in what just aint so will only make you a figure of fun. Whilst I like a laugh at someone else's expense as much as the next man, there's only so many times you can see someone walk into a french window whilst loudly proclaiming that "rock can't be invisible" before you start to feel a little sorry for him.
See that's where you are dead wrong. There is a difference between legal and being right. I didnt say it's illegal in my original post (go ahead, sift through it), i asked for opinions, call it a philosophical question, many i got even a clarification from ccp (which i'm grateful for we didnt have clarification before that). Alot of them who don't match what i think, granted. But your approach of CCP spoke therefore its right (no its not, it's legal in game terms), are not going to bring you any further.
You can quote me gladly on anything where i said it's illegal and i will gladly admit that it aparently isn't now i even wrote further down the thread thta we know that the marmites can go on and that i commend their initiative but not the means they use it with, whats your problem with that ?
If people would only live by what's legal in eve then we had only scammers and only pirates. There's also a moral ground that everybody defines for itself and thats what the debate is about for me.
You're barking up the wrong tree mate. Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00
You should sig that, it will look good on you. |
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