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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:34:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.
Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.
As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party. Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?
LOL. Look at that guys picture.
He is definitely 'into' ganging. |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:39:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I do wonder, though, whether fitting buffers, not autopiloting, not carrying enough stuff to render yourself a good gank target, using the directional scanner and scouts, are all tools that can be used to mitigate ganking.
"not autopilot" == LIE ... you know tagets get ganged BEHIND the gates when they have to aline 10++++ seconds -> autopilot will NEVER be the factor!
And using friendly Webber is concidert "game abuse" ... creat work CCP. Firendly actions are ban reasons, asotial behavior isn't. GREAT WORK!
"fitting buffers" == MUHAHAHA, provide this buffer you fit on mining/hauler ship USEING T2 ONLY!
Not able too? ---> another PROVE of FAIL balance!
"not carrying enough" == hell, did you even read some posts in this forum? I don't need to check half the topics to find one where the writer admits, he don't care about value but just do it for LULZ.
Or check "Hulkedon" or however this **** is called. They DO NOT CARE about value ... they just want to **** other player!
Or the last "Ice-miner-geddon" ... this is NOT for the loot ... it's just to **** off player!
(Infact ALL this should be a reason for PERMA BANS @CCP as they are 100% abuse of your FAIL BALANCE!)
"directional scanner" == I warp to 0 NOT autopiloting, jump throught the gate and .. BAM ... 10 sec to alligne warp or 5 mins to slowboat back to gate ... in boths options I am dead UNABLE to defend my stuff -> FAIL BALANCE + MISSING anti-gang tools (anti-cargo-scanner, anti-lock-item, not enough CPU/GRID/SLOTS to fit needed buffer ... fail, fail and more FAIL by designe!)
"scouts" == yes, I know the "we want your money, use 2., 3., 10. acc to protect your stuff as we fail in balance"
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:42:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.
Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.
As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party. Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?
And which ACTIVE action can your target do?
As long as he can't ACTIVE do somethink ... there is no "vis"/"against" ... it is just 1 side against item
GanKer V Item
The second Player is missing as it doesn't matter if there is somethink in this ship or not.
-> NO PvP
-> JUST PvI |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
742
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:44:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.
Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.
As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party. Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player? And which ACTIVE action can your target do? As long as he can't ACTIVE do somethink ... there is no "vis"/"against" ... it is just 1 side against item GanKer V Item The second Player is missing as it doesn't matter if there is somethink in this ship or not. -> NO PvP -> JUST PvI
You didn't answer my question. Who is flying the exhumer if it's not another player?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
33
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:46:00 -
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I just wanted to say that I've been autopiloting to and from Jita for four hours, with a hold full of giant secure containers, while listening to the Tron: Legacy soundtrack at full blast. I have not been ganked once.
Peacefully cruising The Grid
The hero you're stuck with anyways. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:48:00 -
[726] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.
Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.
As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party. Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player? And which ACTIVE action can your target do? As long as he can't ACTIVE do somethink ... there is no "vis"/"against" ... it is just 1 side against item GanKer V Item The second Player is missing as it doesn't matter if there is somethink in this ship or not. -> NO PvP -> JUST PvI
There are plenty of action he can do, but it doesn't matter. As long as a player is the pilot (ie not a bot), it is PvP. Interaction between them both ways is not required. A player is combating a player.
For possible active things: if a shield booster is fit, it could make the difference between a live ship or a dead one.
If a hauler, fit an ECM or 2. Might help.
Though really, I have not once seen a hauler get ganked flying from a gate (not saying it wont happen, just I havent seen it), but plenty do on auto. |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:49:00 -
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Lens Thirring wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:
PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.
Where is this low/toilet space of which you speak? I feel a sudden urge to visit there.
Just if you aren't trolling ..
00 stands for WC (water closet) or toilet ...
And yes, it's pritty much what a belive from this useless space ... throw it into toilets and flush it away  |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:52:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:There are plenty of action he can do, ..
Which one that is a REAL action?
Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
742
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:54:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:There are plenty of action he can do, ..
Which one that is a REAL action? Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!
You should probably find out how the game works before making statements like that. There is never a reason to get ganked if you are being smart about how you're flying.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
70
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Posted - 2011.11.09 02:58:00 -
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Don't fly what you can't afford to loose. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
41
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:00:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:And using friendly Webber is concidert "game abuse" ... creat work CCP. Firendly actions are ban reasons, asotial behavior isn't. GREAT WORK!
No. it's not. Stop making **** up.
You're up to 20/10 by the way. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:01:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:There are plenty of action he can do, ..
Which one that is a REAL action? Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!
Learn the game before you go off and sound like a moron (too late but try for next time).
Fitting makes a hell of a difference. Look on KB sites for Hulks on the killing side of battles. It happens frequently (though many miners don't bother with KBs...).
Not using autopilot reduces a large amount of the risk of hauling. It won't remove every gank, but most ganks happen in the 5 minutes of travelling 15km rathe than the 10 seconds of speed up to warp.
We aren't saying these methods will make you immune (because that woudl be counter to EVE's purpose), but they reduce risk. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
40
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:08:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:
"directional scanner" == I warp to 0 NOT autopiloting, jump throught the gate and .. BAM ... 10 sec to alligne warp or 5 mins to slowboat back to gate ... in boths options I am dead UNABLE to defend my stuff -> FAIL BALANCE + MISSING anti-gang tools (anti-cargo-scanner, anti-lock-item, not enough CPU/GRID/SLOTS to fit needed buffer ... fail, fail and more FAIL by designe!)
Funny, years ago....when I was a just a pup, the SAME thing happened to me, a couple of Russians popped me on alignment. Lost about 50% of my net worth at the time.
I didn't come on the forums to cry about it like a punk. I learned how to do it to other people, made a mint - and then taught others how to profit from it.
Since then, I've lost multiple freighters to suicide ganks. The two most recent - to the Russian Thunder Squad and the Cardshark Influence.
I don't whine about it to CCP and demand rule changes to make my life easier. I just deal and adjust.
Right now, I am 'adjusting' by burning through my stockpile of Tempests and warming up the old POS labs for some research on a few Tornado BPOs. 
You, sir, are pathetic - not even remotely worthy of the name Jojo.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:17:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:There are plenty of action he can do, ..
Which one that is a REAL action? Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES! You should probably find out how the game works before making statements like that. There is never a reason to get ganked if you are being smart about how you're flying.
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Trying to play this sandbox game in any other way then yours is not smart?
How about this:
- using a Passive Targeting System in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in CONCORD actions + sec loose
- using a Gargo Scanner in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in COCORD actions + sec loose
- ANY pirate whos ship is destroyed by CONCORD will from now on be "jailed" and unable to do any action for 48 hours
- If he is brought down by CONCORD within the next 30 days again this "jail" time will be expand to 1 week!
- CCP redesignes ALL indutrie/transport ships so they can defend themselve by just using T2 items like ganKers use for their criminal actions
- CCP introduce propper anti-cargoscanner, anti-passive targeter items which can ONLY be used on indutrie/transport ships
No more hidden target chosing, no more eazy kills, if you chose to live as a criminal you have to take the consequenz if cought by the police (EvE is real you know? Real criminals are jailed for YEARS when cought!) -> ADDEPT OR KKTHBYE |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:25:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.
But if people really hate themselves so much that they want to mine then they should have to actually play the game like the rest of us do...they shouldn't be able to gather resources and make money while afk'd out doing something else.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:25:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:There are plenty of action he can do, ..
Which one that is a REAL action? Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES! You should probably find out how the game works before making statements like that. There is never a reason to get ganked if you are being smart about how you're flying. So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons? Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons? Trying to play this sandbox game in any other way then yours is not smart? How about this: - using a Passive Targeting System in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in CONCORD actions + sec loose - using a Gargo Scanner in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in COCORD actions + sec loose - ANY pirate whos ship is destroyed by CONCORD will from now on be "jailed" and unable to do any action for 48 hours - If he is brought down by CONCORD within the next 30 days again this "jail" time will be expand to 1 week! - CCP redesignes ALL indutrie/transport ships so they can defend themselve by just using T2 items like ganKers use for their criminal actions - CCP introduce propper anti-cargoscanner, anti-passive targeter items which can ONLY be used on indutrie/transport ships No more hidden target chosing, no more eazy kills, if you chose to live as a criminal you have to take the consequenz if cought by the police (EvE is real you know? Real criminals are jailed for YEARS when cought!) -> ADDEPT OR KKTHBYE PS: just forgot - any player (char) who trys to get the victims goods are also seen as criminal and will therefor taged as CONCORD target too. - any player who trys to trade/sell goods aquierd by hostil actions will seen as criminal too - if this criminals are cought by CONCORD the will recive the same punishment as the ganKer recived
Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:26:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.
You mean you help Goon Bots to make more money? |
Jerek Mothas
Eleutherian Guard
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:27:00 -
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Jojo, I know you probably mean well, but...please learn to spell before you argue with these guys. Does wonders to your credibility. Depending on what your point is, of course. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:28:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them. You mean you help Goon Bots to make more money?
There are no Goon bots.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1019
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:28:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them. You mean you help Goon Bots to make more money?
I think you mean DRF bots. Minerals come from dronespace.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:29:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!
Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate".
Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.
Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them.
Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*. |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
I think you mean DRF bots. Minerals come from dronespace.
So Goons are DRF-Pets now and do the dirty work so DRF bots can earn more money with RMTing? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:33:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.
Have you ever actually played Eve?
We are currently having a newbie drive in our alliance. We have been running fleets with several players who are less than a week old and they have been having fun shooting evil dudes in Delve. A few of them have also joined the Gallente Ice Interdiction efforts. Why would you think new players can't PvP?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:34:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!! Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate". Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide. Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them. Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*.
You obviously have not tried it, or even know what I refer to. It works on experienced gankers just as well as noob gankers. Heck, it works on heavy interdictors in WH space. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:35:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Malcanis wrote:
I think you mean DRF bots. Minerals come from dronespace.
So Goons are DRF-Pets now and do the dirty work so DRF bots can earn more money with RMTing?
Goons and DRF have joined forces to create the DCF (Drone Clusterfuck Federation) to completely control nullsec. It's p cool.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
cpu939
OffBeat Creations
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:49:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them. But if people really hate themselves so much that they want to mine then they should have to actually play the game like the rest of us do...they shouldn't be able to gather resources and make money while afk'd out doing something else.
i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players.
ganking can be fun i have done it.
my question is when does ganking become griefing?
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:55:00 -
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cpu939 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:
So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them. But if people really hate themselves so much that they want to mine then they should have to actually play the game like the rest of us do...they shouldn't be able to gather resources and make money while afk'd out doing something else. i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players. ganking can be fun i have done it. my question is when does ganking become griefing?
Generally, when its done to one person continually and/or the person has other evidence of personal (non EVE related) targeting (following them around the universe is a good indication), it is ruled as griefing.
Really, it depends on how well you can talk it up with a GM. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
744
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:55:00 -
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cpu939 wrote:i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players.
There is not a single thing about the current mining mechanic that is fun. The only reason I ever see people list when asked why they mine is that it's somehow relaxing or something they can do afk. And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.
cpu939 wrote:ganking can be fun i have done it.
Excellent! Come help us out in the Gallente ice belts!
cpu939 wrote:my question is when does ganking become griefing?
Never unless CCP changes their ToS. The absolute best part of the ice interdiction is the several people who have sent us rl death threats after we blew them up which results in their account getting permabanned because rl death threats are against the ToS and suicide ganking is not.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
cpu939
OffBeat Creations
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:57:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!! Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate". Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide. Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them. Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*. You obviously have not tried it, or even know what I refer to. It works on experienced gankers just as well as noob gankers. Heck, it works on heavy interdictors in WH space.
experiened ganked would look for another target or bump you
cloaky hualer finds the target he is not aligned gankers warp in - dead ship
cloaky hualer finds the target he is aligned hual gets in range and bumps ship - no agro you can't fire on him or your concord gankers lol (so do i) - gankers gank your ship
any ganker that wont bump an alinged ship is a noob |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
745
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:00:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.
Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription? Just tossing that out there.
Then as long as I pay a subscription I should be allowed to run a courier mission bot?
Just tossing that out there.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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