I don't know why you keep insisting I'm crying. My alliance reimburses my ship losses and pays a bounty for every miner I kill so the loss of insurance isn't going to affect me at all.

How so?

I'm still asking how, by refusing to join the multiplayer fraternity

[how do] you feel you should even have a view on ANY of this?

Tippia doesn't actually seem to have an opinion.

An interesting point but how many suicide ganks are funded by a massive alliance with trillions of isk at their disposal? I see that as a massive and unfair advantage.

Of course, if CCP declare that might is right (and it will forever remain) and you use it as justification to destroy small players repeatedly then it's non-arguable isn't it?

Which is the point of debate. Is this kind of mechanic acceptable to the majority and does CCP need to address this?

And NOW, ladies and gentlemen, we finally get to that compromise thing that I mentioned earlier. You see, when you put something like that on the table, insurance nerfs and CONCORD buffs are a lot easier to swallow. Unfortunately for you, you've just alienated yourself from the people you're trying to protect. Proposing a decrease in high-sec rewards makes you carebear public enemy #1. You're one of us now. Might as well suit up one of those Tempests.

The chief complaint, and one seen by lowsec and 0.0 dwellers, that I agree with is that highsec is too safe for the ISK it yeilds.

Who would I be the enemy of?

There is a kind of player who is little more than an ISK -snatcher. This is the type of player who rages if the mining bonus of their ship gets dropped 2 percent. To that kind of player I cannot think of a game for them. When it's all about racking up ISK ISK and more ISK and ANYTHING that take away so much as .01 ISK means the game is broken to them, I don't know what to say.

Yes they do exist. But I know what kind of game a griefer is playing, and what kind a PVPer is after, as well as what the 0.0 and lowsec people in all their various stripes are after (exploration, fleet fights, conquest, good stuff). But these ISK fanatics are almost as bad as the KM addicts.

There was an EvE banner ad a while back that shows clips of game activities over a ever-increasing number meter that looks like an ISKometer. I think that kind of advertising attracted the sort of person whose entire reality is based on that number being bigger and not getting smaller. I would say that a KM addict is such a person who got ganked or that such a person into racking up big ISK number might have once been a KM addict who got ganked. Either way they have a strange obsession and they would be better off working as bond traders.

It's CCP's game and they can declare whatever they want and make any changes they want. They also have to suffer the consequences if after running Eve for several years now they decide to completely change the tone of the game and its mechanics. You can badpost about it as much as you want but at the end of the day the monthly cancellation report is going to speak louder than anything you or I say.

Even more importantly, why should it even bother a 0.0 alliance? I mean, let's face it, you could merc hire or wardec anyone you like at whatever the cost.

Highsec carebear pubbies are just about the worst people in Eve (roleplayers are still the absolute worst). These are the people that play Eve like its a single player game and provide absolutely nothing to the community at large. They sit and mine rocks for hours or run level 4 missions for hours to make isk to buy better ships that they will use to mine rocks for hours or run level 4 missions for hours. Then they have the nerve to complain about how nullsec works. Or how aggression mechanics work. Or ***** and moan about missions being boring until CCP gifts them Incursions...the greatest isk-making machine with zero risk ever seen in the game. It's a tragedy that CCP drove so many real Eve players out of the game in the last 18 months because now they *have* to cater to the pubbie hordes just to keep the lights on. It's a sad thing to see.

Bullshit. I logged on Saturday night and saw over 48,000 online. Highest it's been for a long time. It's coming back to where it was and no changes have even been made to anything.

When I talked about CCP running people out of the game I meant all the people who used to live in nullsec that quit because of supercaps online and the sanctum nerf. Most of them haven't returned and have been replaced by people who think the game should have a PvP on/off flag.

So you're admitting that all the rage, whining and complaints made by nullseccers and changed by CCP hasn't bought people back to the game?

At the same time you're also saying that all the rage, whining and complaints made by non-nullseccers requesting changes by CCP won't bring MORE people back and into the game?

Interesting POV.

I'm not saying either of those things and I'm confused about why you think I am.

I think I'm trying to fathom your comment about disenfranchised nullseccers are being "replaced" by whiney highseccers wanting on/off switches?

If this is actually true then catering for the highsec population is even MORE critical, not less.

Which was exactly my point when I said that it was too bad that CCP ran real Eve players (people who understood that the Eve universe was supposed to be a harsh place) out of the game because now they *have* to cater to the highsec carebears just to stay in business. It wasn't a complicated concept and I'm not sure why you were confused about it.

I'm not confused.

Based on recent 48k logins, either CCP has pulled a huge number of new subs which they may need to cater for OR the 0.0 complainers came back despite all the apparent unsubs you elude to.

Either way, the complaints must have fallen on deaf ears.

then a lot of "pvpers" will have no reason to maintain their subscriptions

PvP = Player vis Player

This includes by defenition, that BOTH partys interact with each other.

Ganging in EvE has just one acting side: the Ganger
The targets can do nothink (equal how many LIES you try to post here) to defend their goods ... (well, they can stay docked but WTF should they pay for this gamen then? -> NO OPTION!).

This leads to the result: Ganging is NO PvP !
It's less then PvE as even E(nviorment) can interact and shot back more often then not. Gang victims NEVER have either enough time (instand blob bullshit) or there aren't any tools (anti cargo-scanner?? posibilitys to counter with enough tank, ECM, rep (FAIL slot/cpu/grid layouts) CCP?? FIX THIS!!!!!!!!!).

So no, a total block with "you can't attack other players in highsec" will NOT effect PvP players! In no way!

PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.

And if some useless Ganger leave? WHO CARES!

PvP = Player vis Player

This includes by defenition, that BOTH partys interact with each other.

Ganging in EvE has just one acting side: the Ganger
The targets can do nothink (equal how many LIES you try to post here) to defend their goods ... (well, they can stay docked but WTF should they pay for this gamen then? -> NO OPTION!).

This leads to the result: Ganging is NO PvP !
It's less then PvE as even E(nviorment) can interact and shot back more often then not. Gang victims NEVER have either enough time (instand blob bullshit) or there aren't any tools (anti cargo-scanner?? posibilitys to counter with enough tank, ECM, rep (FAIL slot/cpu/grid layouts) CCP?? FIX THIS!!!!!!!!!).

So no, a total block with "you can't attack other players in highsec" will NOT effect PvP players! In no way!

PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.

And if some useless Ganger leave? WHO CARES!

While I agree to some extent (not being much of a PvPer myself) that griefing is a part of the game and should not be completely removed,

Griefing is against the ToS and should absolutely be removed from the game. We are talking about suicide ganking in this thread, however, not griefing.

PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.

Yes. There's a difference. Griefers get banned.

People who punish other players for not fitting their ships properly or for being drunk at the wheel should be rewarded.

Just to confirm in general; suicide ganking (falling under non-consensual combat) is not in itself considered grief [1].

Yet.

This has to be a troll. If it's not it's literally the dumbest thing I've read on these forums.

No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP