Why do people assume that by suiciding someone in high sec with hundreds of millions in their cargohold or a 100-200mil mining barge you are chasing off newbies from the game?

I see people move their lives across states, thousands of miles away, due to taxes, in RL. So when I can earn 100M ISK an hour and get say up to 70 percent taxed...

They can stay poor.

I don't know a thing about mining so I am reaching into my butt for numbers.

Sorry I have blue ice to interdict. If you feel that is griefing then you should report it to CCP.

... This has absolutely nothing to do with new player retention at all....

Kinda looks like you kids have failed at Ice interdiction....tons of macs in the belt in Ard...

You might want to check the current price of oxygen isotopes before you start making yourself look even dumber.

Kinda looks like you kids have failed at Ice interdiction....tons of macs in the belt in Ard...

The most common newbie ganking I have seen is in missions with those pilots that jump into a battle ship very quickly with T1 fits. Minimal skilling it. Quite a few have rage quit, never to return after that.

Yeah, yeah. That is only temporary. At some point your enthusiasm for it will wane, the whole thing will lose momentum; then everything will go back to the way it was.

... He was using four accounts to run a single ice harvester and he still managed to lose his Hulk to a couple Goons. It was ...

... highlighting how bad the tanks on mining barges are.

Because the PvP crowd can easily replace the industrial activities that a loss of carebears would entail, but not the other way around (because the carbears, by very definition, do not want to engage in the wholesale destruction that is needed to keep the economy rolling).

CCP may very well need both; the game in and of itself does not.

Bollocks, what utter complete rubbish.

What defines a carebear Tippia? What defines a PVP'er? Which one of these would you consider yourself to be? Neither? Both?

This cubbyhole approach to other peoples playstyles is the absolute worst form of ignorance, and you know it.

I'm a carebear, I mine in highsec and build stuff, I also have a 0.0 home and enjoy a good roam or gatecamp with the rest of my corpmates.

If all of the so called "hardcore pvp'ers" pissed off tonight, I would keep on happily playing my game, building stuff and blowing stuff up/getting blown up..

One thing I wouldn't miss is having to spend hours manually moving crap around highsec when I'd rather be roaming or ratting in 0.0

Edit: Oh and I pay for my three accounts each month, because it's easier for me and money is not a problem.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that when Tippia talks about carebears that he or she is talking about the people who live in highsec full time and have zero interest in low or null.

The reality is, if the greifers all left in droves (god know's where they'd go.....goons wanna answer that?)

The thread is about insurance for Concord incidents and it got to be all about "without ganking, EvE would have never been. Ganking is the wellspring from which EvE Online flows" and other such concepts.

Nobody says that a high SP veteran player who can vacuum roids out of space with small effort AFK should be safe. That's a target, if they are using such a worthy ship, where having no insurance payout of the attacking vessels is a small matter.

What has players a bit perturbed is when the target is not someone who should know better, but someone who actually does not.

But I see how you set up the argument: depict a target that could not possibly be victimized or deemed so, and make the case that they are not noobs.

Problem is we see a lot of griefers hiding behind PVP and the legitimate goals of such actions deemed PVP. Sure not all who get ganked are noobs, but how many are and for what reason?

It's like the high-sec wardec. There are good reasons for it such as leverage, wanting to get someone out of the way, domination, revenge, you name it. But when tears flowed over CCP ceasing to call decshielding an exploit, I asked "how often are those decced actually capable corporations in any position to be leveraged out of ?" In other words: team of experienced miners who can defend themselves or pay mercs, or one or two-man noob corps barely out of NPC corps and targeted or easy kills?

So I bring up "here comes mommy to take the toy away!". When you keep hitting the younger kids with the pale and bucket in the sandbox, the excuse "it's a sandbox and therefore I have a pale and bucket and I am using it!!1!!" is shallow. Yes you can wardec, yes you can suicide gank, but who you do it to and why has a lasting effect on the game. Someone who can fly a Hulk and fit it all T2 should know better. Nobody says otherwise, and the new destroyers not covered with insurance would be paid for well enough when the T2 modules (hopefully) drop.

It's when you have the noob in the burst or navatas who can be easily ganked and it's nearly cost free for the ganker because you get nothing from such a target.


I am not the one who abused mechanics and used the game as my get-back-at-the-world tool so all of this is entertainment for me.

Okay, for the sake of not getting into a long-winded argument about my credibility and the baselessness of my arguments, let's simply forget about all of the above. I've played WoW for almost as long as I've played EVE, and while I can address your points, I'd rather not turn this thread into a discussion about that.

So, just tell me this one little thing. You say that subs have been increasing proportionally with the increase of high-sec's safety. Now, I'll absolutely agree that more subs is better. Therefore, will making high-sec absolutely safe result in an absolute increase in subscriptions, or not? If not, what is, or should be, the cutoff point?

Bollocks, what utter complete rubbish.

What defines a carebear Tippia?

What defines a PVP'er?

I'm a carebear, I mine in highsec and build stuff, I also have a 0.0 home and enjoy a good roam or gatecamp with the rest of my corpmates.

more and more bla ba bla

I'm still asking how, by refusing to join the multiplayer fraternity in a multiplayer game, not being involved in ganking or ship to ship PvP, that you feel you should even have a view on ANY of this?

This is like The Mittani explaining how to mine Veldspar when I'm actually looking for an opinion from the likes of Chribba.

Stop cluttering the thread with oft quoted guff Tippia.

**Snip*

thanks for the intel

Your welcome, I look forward to another half hearted goon effort.

So only people who agree with you are allowed to post? Is this another one of your stealth trolling posts?

That's a fair comment but misguided. Tippia doesn't actually seem to have an opinion. He just shreds posts, paraphrases and dissimeninates the context without actually adding.

It's a rather strange phenonema and could quite possibly become a meme - "A Tippia Post". Quote everything, argue everything but say nothing.

For once I'll agree on your statement.

If some guys want their eve to be harder than it is, without concord: Go live in null, go live in low sec.

Stop crying about concord and say there's no concord in null and high sec should be alike, it's not needed. Just go there, live there and don't think about high sec. That's it you've got your perfect eve.

Ho w8, true there's no concord in null/low

I haven't seen tears, not from gankers, nor from Tippia. But people are pointing out that absurdly profitable hi-sec professions are being made progressively less challenging by changes which reduce their already minimal risk. Nobody thinks this little insurance change is particularly important except as possibly an indicator of a trend. Taken together with the avoidable war-decs and other changes, it makes people worry about the direction in which the hi-sec game is drifting.

hypothetically:

If concord was removed, gateguns in highsec actually had tracking and the like, kill rights were transferabble; wouldn't that open up a more lively mercenary profession? In effect allow for the possibility of hiring mercenaries to protect your badger to protect you on your way to market?

Curious if this is the line of reasoning for some in the thread.

Highsec should be a noob heaven, and could be, without being an ISK pump. The ISK faucet should be turned way down so the bots don't exploit the safety. So while I think it would work to make highsec completely safe, we would need a progressive tax system for noob corp members and also for all activities in high sec. Why? Because in the US I watch people MOVE their homes and businesses from one state that taxes their income too much, to others that tax them less. Taxes are enough to make people change their lives in RL, it would be enough to change their game too. Make highsec the complete safety zone for noobs but don't let it be profitable for bots and ISK hogs (those who think the game is all about the bigger number in the wallet - these are the people who don't tank their haulers).

The price of oxygen isotopes is all the proof we need that our efforts (half hearted or otherwise) are effective.

Use mechanics weeknesses to harass categories of players or force game economics is bad, and when the nerf stick hits griefer tears are delicious.

Moar please.

It's a rather strange phenonema and could quite possibly become a meme - "A Tippia Post".