You could have put the Mac disclaimer up front so I didn't have to read the wall-o-text. Please show some love for the Mac!

Sorry for that =( We are disappointed by the lack of mac support as well. Because of the way we emulate EVE for macs we actually don't have much control over this. There's a problem with something called a 'wrapper' and the twitch SDK and from what I understand we have to investigate with an external provider to get it resolved.

Hopefully we can figure it out but our hands were tied for this release unfortunately.

I wish delay was easier to do, it's obviously the most attractive feature addition. Unfortunately it's also the least probable. Currently we can stream straight to twitch from the client without having to taken on any extra server load but to provide delay we would have to store the buffer on our own hardware for a huge scale of players. It would be difficult to say the least, and would likely mean a giant investment in new hardware.

Hopefully getting the option through twitch gets easier over time but for now partnership is the only option.

How does this ingame feature deal with external audio recording? (ie mic) Can we give live microphone comments while streaming?

Yeah, as other have said, add a delay mode. Also, add support for streaming at 1920x1080 resolution before this hits TQ.

A Quality mode where we can choose what kind of quality we want to stream in would also be nice.

Other than that, the 'Open Broadcaster Software' is awesome

Sorry for that =( We are disappointed by the lack of mac support as well. Because of the way we emulate EVE for macs we actually don't have much control over this. There's a problem with something called a 'wrapper' and the twitch SDK and from what I understand we have to investigate with an external provider to get it resolved.

Hopefully we can figure it out but our hands were tied for this release unfortunately.

And while it would be nice if the integrated tool was better, I actually disagree that it 'should' be. The nice thing about integration is that it's very accessible. It's appealing to a broader audience who would rather have ease of use than having more options. I think if people start streaming because of integration and then realize they want more features and move to a dedicated tool for it that seems great.

ITT: people who don't understand what an 'entry level tool' is.

Sorry for that =( We are disappointed by the lack of mac support as well. Because of the way we emulate EVE for macs we actually don't have much control over this. There's a problem with something called a 'wrapper' and the twitch SDK and from what I understand we have to investigate with an external provider to get it resolved.

Hopefully we can figure it out but our hands were tied for this release unfortunately.

An entry level tool includes at least the minimum functionality to make it not suck. That would be like calling a car with a top speed of 20mph an 'entry level car'. Some people may have a use for such a vehicle, but it wouldn't meet the minimum expectations of what people think a car is.

Yes. Your stream will contain all the audio going on on your system. Microphone input/comms/music/game sound and anything will else will all be included.

Yes. Your stream will contain all the audio going on on your system. Microphone input/comms/music/game sound and anything will else will all be included.

So far my tests (last time i tested it few days ago) show that video is available during stream but cant find it after i switch it off. Are those videos stream only or are they stored on twitch to watch later?

Amazing but... duuuuuude, your overview.

How do you manage to fly?

your viewers can give you questions, offer feedback on the stream or simply tell you to pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë Drink the Water pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë

Maintaining an mp3 player inside EVE, while there are much better media players out there doesnGÇÿt make much sense to us. Keep in mind that all code in EVE needs to be maintained. UIs are upgraded, codecs need upgrading, code is refactored, defects need to be resolved. By removing redundant pieces of code from our codebase, we free up engineering time to maintain, iterate and develop other features which are more important and core to the spaceship game EVE. As we move forward with EVE development, iterating and adding features, we have to be ready to cut off dead branches and prune our garden so to speak.

I like Mad Anie 24/7 eve online stram service, we can to expect more massive cams deploy and spy in every null space system, waching everyone and everywhere :) espetialy while twitch become more popular and natural things in EvE community.

This thing got a lot pros and cons.

EvE may turn onto EvE online wach instead of play...

I like Mad Anie 24/7 eve online stram service, we can to expect more massive cams deploy and spy in every null space system, waching everyone and everywhere :) espetialy while twitch become more popular and natural things in EvE community.

This thing got a lot pros and cons.

EvE may turn onto EvE online wach instead of play...

twitch.tv stopped auto-archiving of streams. You have to manually enable this in your twitch account settings ( http://www.twitch.tv/settings/videos -> Archive Broadcasts) - Then they will be available.

One of these things was said before but:

1. Archiving is disabled by default i.e it needs to be turned on in the settings
2. Private/passworded streams are not available at this time

What we want is streaming to the CQ screen so we can sit on our asses watching our avatar sit on its ass watching a stream of ourselves from behind.....

Any chance of being able to watch the streams from in-client? We have that nice big screen in CQ, after all.

This seems like a real waste of development resources. Putting time into making something that is substandard to any of the 3rd party programs that people already use. Really what is the % of the player base that's even going to bother with this non space game toy?

I don't think I agree. Maybe there won't be live streams of all 3000 systems, but I bet the larger alliances will employ cloaky alts live streaming from all the gates bordering their territory. Why bore a dozen players to gate camp when one guy can monitor a dozen gates instead? I'm betting the road between Amarr and Jita will be live-streamed. Certainly all the hubs. I'm seeing the potential for educational streams and tutorial videos sure, but once this really takes off, the potential for reconnaissance and intel are almost limitless. This could become a game-changer. Merc corps contracted to pod specific targets can live-stream the attack back to their clients. Every freighter moving anywhere could potentially be tagged and an intercept party dispatched from one guy loading streams on the opposite end of the galaxy. We could witness the birth of corps entirely devoted to surveillance. I've barely scratched the surface and my brain runs wild with potential scenarios. I've yet to see a tool introduced in this game that wasn't used, abused, and made to function in unexpected ways. And given the ways I've already dreamt up this could possibly be used, I can't wait to see what happens. This is potentially one of the most-powerful tools ever introduced into the client and pretty damn exciting, imo.

YK

I don't think I agree. Maybe there won't be live streams of all 3000 systems, but I bet the larger alliances will employ cloaky alts live streaming from all the gates bordering their territory. Why bore a dozen players to gate camp when one guy can monitor a dozen gates instead? I'm betting the road between Amarr and Jita will be live-streamed. Certainly all the hubs. I'm seeing the potential for educational streams and tutorial videos sure, but once this really takes off, the potential for reconnaissance and intel are almost limitless. This could become a game-changer. Merc corps contracted to pod specific targets can live-stream the attack back to their clients. Every freighter moving anywhere could potentially be tagged and an intercept party dispatched from one guy loading streams on the opposite end of the galaxy. We could witness the birth of corps entirely devoted to surveillance. I've barely scratched the surface and my brain runs wild with potential scenarios. I've yet to see a tool introduced in this game that wasn't used, abused, and made to function in unexpected ways. And given the ways I've already dreamt up this could possibly be used, I can't wait to see what happens. This is potentially one of the most-powerful tools ever introduced into the client and pretty damn exciting, imo.

YK

This is what you guys said approximately a year ago.

The rhetoric still holds true, the most important features (delayed streaming, blacking out certain sections of the screen) are impossible as you have researched or just haven't been done yet in this iteration of the client, while there are third-party streaming programs which are much, much better.

There are real reasons why people don't stream EVE. Not having the proper streaming tools is not one of them at this point in time.

If you add streaming, you also need to add an ingame vlc-like videoplayer, or to integrate flash video into the ingame browser.
BTW, IGB needs love, much more love than twitch. And, as a side note, you could add adjustable transparency feature to the IGB - it would make IGB much more usable.

I wish delay was easier to do, it's obviously the most attractive feature addition. Unfortunately it's also the least probable. Currently we can stream straight to twitch from the client without having to taken on any extra server load but to provide delay we would have to store the buffer on our own hardware for a huge scale of players. It would be difficult to say the least, and would likely mean a giant investment in new hardware.

Hopefully getting the option through twitch gets easier over time but for now partnership is the only option.

Your analogy is not relevant.

I'm not sure if i want CCP to waste dev-hours reinventing the wheels called OBS and XSplit.

Can it stream? Yes. Does it give you basic quality settings? Yes. Good enough.

CCP should also add an integrated operating system, industrial crane controller, and a coffee maker.

This is what you guys said approximately a year ago.

The rhetoric still holds true, the most important features (delayed streaming, blacking out certain sections of the screen) are impossible as you have researched or just haven't been done yet in this iteration of the client, while there are third-party streaming programs which are much, much better.

There are real reasons why people don't stream EVE. Not having the proper streaming tools is not one of them at this point in time.

CCP should also add an integrated operating system, industrial crane controller, and a coffee maker.

Can we get a free sofa with every ship too?!

I wish delay was easier to do, it's obviously the most attractive feature addition. Unfortunately it's also the least probable. Currently we can stream straight to twitch from the client without having to taken on any extra server load but to provide delay we would have to store the buffer on our own hardware for a huge scale of players. It would be difficult to say the least, and would likely mean a giant investment in new hardware.

Hopefully getting the option through twitch gets easier over time but for now partnership is the only option.

how about asking us (crowd sourcing) for the money for hardware upgrades. ill throw a thousand pound at you and im sure many more would be willing. just a thought

Hopefully we can figure it out but our hands were tied for this release unfortunately.

For some reason the highest resolution available to me is 1280x1024 while the client runs at 1920x1080. Maybe you guys will test your features better before releasing them at last? And yes, if I pick 1280x1024 it changes in-client resolution too and so it fu-üked all my windows. Thanks CCP!

Maybe you should read the thread before shitposting.

Maybe important information should be in the dev blog in the first place?

We are restricted in what resolutions we can offer based on the twitch SDK, but you can select from a wide range of options and then you can also choose the framerate all the way up to 60fps and then we automatically adjust the bitrate to handle your framerate selection.

I believe he asked you to read the thread before **** posting NOT the dev blog and if you had read it properly you would have seen the above posted on page 1

With the release of EVE Online: Rubicon 1.0.8 on the 10th of December, Twitch.tv integration will be added to the client! This will allow you to bypass all 3rd party programs and stream directly to Twitch.tv!

CCP Rise has all of the details here.

Let us know how you would like this feature to evolve in the future, and how you intend to use it. We can expect more streams to pop up in the next couple of months, and we will welcome all of them with open arms!

Awesome job ! I'm loving it ! Well Done CCP !

Now then... technical prowess having been proven...

*** Put the JUKEBOX back in. ***

No 1680x1050 option.

Is there gonna be a hotkey to start and stop the stream?

This is something we will consider but obviously we don't want people accidentally streaming when they don't want to.

Spying in EVE got +1 integrated instrument \o/

P. S. Guys, you've forgot to implement / distribute SoE t-shirts. And patch notes.

As with EVE Voice yet again CCP releases underdeveloped feature that is borderline useless compared to the third party tools. What's the point?

This.
There are other similar things ccp did improperly: eve voice, ingame browser, jukebox (now deleted, heh). They should either delete eve voice and the browser, or improve them at last. Otherwise new similar features like streaming are pointless.

p.s.
Open The Door.

Where is the high resolution texture pack?

This seems like a real waste of development resources. Putting time into making something that is substandard to any of the 3rd party programs that people already use. Really what is the % of the player base that's even going to bother with this non space game toy?

I think you're missing the point. CCP isn't a A/V streaming company - it's a gaming company. This is a partnership to enable more people to use streaming... not a tool with all the bells and whistles and the MOST features to be the BEST tool on the market. .

Is there gonna be a hotkey to start and stop the stream?

Also my stream runs for 10secs then stops. Corpmate is having same issues anyone else?

Pretty ****** partnership if the result is worse-than-average features, isn't it? - maybe twitch will make us a new Ogame and call it a twitch feature
Or maybe the twitch partnership will end like the 0wned one and we will have another broken "feature" in our client..

Nah.. 1/5 for the idea, 1/5 for the implementation and 1/5 for making half-assed features(is this becomming a CCP trend again?)

Hi all and thanks for your continued feedback. Rest assured - we are reading.

For those of you having issues with streaming, please remember that streaming is quite an intensive process. Twitch Recommends:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz or AMD equivalent

MEMORY: 8GB DDR3 SDRAM

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium

So whilst your computer may meet the recommended spec for EVE Online, you may experience issues streaming to twitch.

Strong hardware is very importand while straming but most importand are upload speed, people lose like 80% efficienty because of upload speed.

Personaly my upload is 0.9mbit with this speed i cant even call my streaming slide show.

I have the same issue
is it memory? I have 4GB

All the people who are worried about giving away their location seem to have forgotten how info panels work.

You can already hide the system you're in.

We are restricted in what resolutions we can offer based on the twitch SDK, but you can select from a wide range of options and then you can also choose the framerate all the way up to 60fps and then we automatically adjust the bitrate to handle your framerate selection.

Pretty ****** partnership if the result is worse-than-average features, isn't it? - maybe twitch will make us a new Ogame and call it a twitch feature
Or maybe the twitch partnership will end like the 0wned one and we will have another broken "feature" in our client..

Nah.. 1/5 for the idea, 1/5 for the implementation and 1/5 for making half-assed features(is this becomming a CCP trend again?)

Hi all and thanks for your continued feedback. Rest assured - we are reading.

For those of you having issues with streaming, please remember that streaming is quite an intensive process. Twitch Recommends:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz or AMD equivalent

MEMORY: 8GB DDR3 SDRAM

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium

So whilst your computer may meet the recommended spec for EVE Online, you may experience issues streaming to twitch.

I think you're missing the point. CCP isn't a A/V streaming company - it's a gaming company. This is a partnership to enable more people to use streaming... not a tool with all the bells and whistles and the MOST features to be the BEST tool on the market.

Take a breath, get some perspective, and enjoy that CCP is investing in long-term enhancements to their game by giving it community-focused tools that other games DON'T have.

Funny thing here: Login complains, that my password is not correct ... changed it a few time and it's still the same thing. Is streaming with Windows XP maybe not possible?

Ingame browser is ok, they need to upgrade it before EVE Online gets a CVE notification. Right now an attacker can compromise a user's computer via just jita spam of a website url because the browser engine is outdated severely.


EVE Voice is useless because it's locked down to channels and fleet which is stupid because people can't invite more than 250 to fleet(and what if you disconnect?) and the management controls are completely poor compared to a real voice server setup in 5 seconds. There's no way people will invite users to a chat channel because there's no way to see the full user list in real time. Meta gaming is serious business in EVE Voice and CCP didn't do jack **** to handle that "concern".


The Twitch feature however is cool and possibly a great direction to go in but holy fudge is it unfinished and missing all the options that matter (resolution, delay, hot keys). Point proven is there are right now 0 streams for EVE Online on twitch as of this post.

CCP should also add an integrated operating system, industrial crane controller, and a coffee maker.

We are restricted in what resolutions we can offer based on the twitch SDK, but you can select from a wide range of options and then you can also choose the framerate all the way up to 60fps and then we automatically adjust the bitrate to handle your framerate selection.

This is something we will consider but obviously we don't want people accidentally streaming when they don't want to.