You also seem to pay some of your lemmings to do missions in Genesis and then they link their KM's and get laughed out of local. maybe Gevlon you should cut your funding to them? seeming like it isn't ISK efficient if people are doing missions instead of camping Jita's undock.

For one week war I pay 0.5B. A week haven't even passed and there is already 1.5B damage to Goons and pets. That's 300% ROI.

Meanwhile- in nullsec, Goons lose about 5b in ships in less than 45 minutes in a small engagement of no real strategic importance. Guess what? Those losses don't mean anything either.

well you know that with so many goons someday one of them will have the ****** idea of moving a staion egg in a freighter in high sec with a character IN the alliance :P. Someday... :P

At some point it is inevitable that the goons will find themselves at a point where it's just not worthwhile to keep the POCOs, be the reason them tiring of embassing themselves or just the time and ISK wasted. This is just basic guerilla warfare 101. The Goons simply lack the presence in highsec and keeping those POCOs will just be a PITA for them.

Now as to RvB being a pet - we are not a pet, we see this assistance as a way to get good fights.

Oh I see, so descending on an enemy you outnumber 1:100 (or is it 1:200 ?), that is already fighting even worse odds, is your way to get the "good fights", yeah that makes sense. Totally! Do RvB tournaments work in a similar fashion?

Meanwhile you have a handful of crazy people opposing some evil empire that rules half the galaxy with fear and spite. What's not to like about these guys? They are like kittens. Fluffy kittens flying spaceships. Adorable..

If you're honestly about good fights... I hate to break it to you but you're clearly fighting on the wrong side.

May I ask what is so _mutually_ beneficial about this arrangement of yours?

So far it seems rather one sided

and the only contribution from the goons is to cry on the forum

well you know that with so many goons someday one of them will have the ****** idea of moving a staion egg in a freighter in high sec with a character IN the alliance :P. Someday... :P

I can't imagine many PI players choosing to use Goonswarm POCO planets. If I were inclined to do PI (heaven forbid), first of all I wouldn't be doing it in highsec. But if I were doing it in highsec, I would look for stability. Defense of a reinforced POCO is not enough - at that point, the POCO customers have already been screwed and are likely planning to relocate. POCOs need to stay open for business. The POCOs near Jita may be "premium" locations for displaying the owners' names, but they are poor choices for PI. So while they may be great catalysts for fights, it's hard to see much profit potential.

Meanwhile you have a handful of crazy people opposing some evil empire that rules half the galaxy with fear and spite. What's not to like about these guys? They are like kittens. Fluffy kittens flying spaceships. Adorable...

Think it over, it's very, very (painfully) obvious.

OK so you won't ever get that. So hint: what do you think happens if someone goes after RvB POCOs?

Think it over, it's very, very (painfully) obvious.

OK so you won't ever get that. So hint: what do you think happens if someone goes after RvB POCOs?

I can't imagine many PI players choosing to use Goonswarm POCO planets. If I were inclined to do PI (heaven forbid), first of all I wouldn't be doing it in highsec. But if I were doing it in highsec, I would look for stability. Defense of a reinforced POCO is not enough - at that point, the POCO customers have already been screwed and are likely planning to relocate. POCOs need to stay open for business. The POCOs near Jita may be "premium" locations for displaying the owners' names, but they are poor choices for PI. So while they may be great catalysts for fights, it's hard to see much profit potential.

The GÇ£youGÇÖre not winning fast enoughGÇ¥ tears from goonies and their pets from this action is very typical of you F1 monkeys tbhGǪ.

This thing could just snowball into a casual and consistent presence in Empire which forces goonies to use alternate means to access trade HUBs etc. and thatGÇÖs effective.

Think it over, it's very, very (painfully) obvious.
OK so you won't ever get that. So hint: what do you think happens if someone goes after RvB POCOs?

Except no one goes after RvB POCOs, because RvB is unquestionably the strongest highsec PvP organization. On the other hand Goons are a joke in highsec, just like we could see with that 99.6% ISK ratio, and easy reinforces.

Goons simply bluffed RvB into submission, telling them that they COULD threaten RvB POCOs which is an outright joke. It's like saying RvB could threaten Deklein sov.

However Lemmings called on the bluff. And even better, Lemmings don't even want POCOs. We just want Goons not having them. It's only time before RvB realizes that they are pets here, without even getting spoils like FA or SMA.

Except no one goes after RvB POCOs, because RvB is unquestionably the strongest highsec PvP organization. On the other hand Goons are a joke in highsec, just like we could see with that 99.6% ISK ratio, and easy reinforces.

Goons simply bluffed RvB into submission, telling them that they COULD threaten RvB POCOs which is an outright joke. It's like saying RvB could threaten Deklein sov.

However Lemmings called on the bluff. And even better, Lemmings don't even want POCOs. We just want Goons not having them. It's only time before RvB realizes that they are pets here, without even getting spoils like FA or SMA.

We already know were Goon pets. Just being mentioned in the same thread with Mittens and mynnna gives us a warm fuzzy that will last for months.....We have been assimilated.

Del

Actually RvB owns 6x as many POCOs in highsec as the goons do, I think they're our pets, not the other way around

Do you know any particular reason why don't you own all of them? I mean why did you leave a single frequented POCO to Goons? Your pet-pact came long before Lemmings were created, so spare the "we just want forum **** and lulz" bullshit (unless you could see into the future 2 months forward).

Admit it, the Goons bluffed that they could threaten your POCOs and you ate it!

Do you know any particular reason why don't you own all of them? I mean why did you leave a single frequented POCO to Goons? Your pet-pact came long before Lemmings were created, so spare the "we just want forum **** and lulz" bullshit (unless you could see into the future 2 months forward).

Admit it, the Goons bluffed that they could threaten your POCOs and you ate it!

Same reason we don't own all 10K highsec pocos, its not feasable. Its better to get a good sized piece of the pie and negociate an arrangement with the goons than to spend weeks reinfocing and defending pocos back and forth. I would think that Mr "opportunity cost" would understand that.

Do you know any particular reason why don't you own all of them? I mean why did you leave a single frequented POCO to Goons? Your pet-pact came long before Lemmings were created, so spare the "we just want forum **** and lulz" bullshit (unless you could see into the future 2 months forward).

Admit it, the Goons bluffed that they could threaten your POCOs and you ate it!

Rather than 2 massive groups having battles over them with the POCOs spending half of their time reinforced, the 2 groups chose to split them.

They never threatened us, and we never threatened them. But it was clear that for either of us to control all the good pocos we'd need to fight which, to put it in your own langage, would come with an opportunity cost.

Oh why am I even bothering, as grandma used to say, never argue with a fool, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Right now you guys can't even be arsed to protect your own POCOs and let them fight your "not so good" fights for you.

Same reason we don't own all 10K highsec pocos, its not feasable. Its better to get a good sized piece of the pie and negociate an arrangement with the goons than to spend weeks reinfocing and defending pocos back and forth. I would think that Mr "opportunity cost" would understand that.

Edit: to clarify. Yes, I think we could take the goon pocos away from them if we wanted to, but it would come at a cost. It would mean a lot of POCO ops, both offensive and defensive and would rish burning out both our line members and our FCs. Better to negotiate an agreement and make sure both sides get what they want. I honestly don't understand how people are confused by that. Its basic diplomacy. If we had made this agreement with anyone but the goons no one would think twice about it.

And for the record I do quite enjoy all this forum drama, its a nice little bonus.