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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:17:00 -
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Istyn wrote: I really can't see you getting anyone competent to agree to accepting anyone that applies.
Who said they should accept anyone into themselves?
Why not make it a satellite alliance with official endorsement? The alliance executor and the director of the default corp (that takes individual pilots) are alts from directors of the real alliance. The satellite alliance gets decent leadership and FCs. The real alliance gets a pool for recruitment, meat shield (their losses aren't on your killboard) and decoy: Goon sees war target and has to click-click to figure out if it's a good PvP-er or just an angry carebear alt. Click-Click is a long time in terms of interceptors warp speed. |
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
193
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:33:00 -
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shutup and give me money! I am just here to snuggle. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
213
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:50:00 -
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Istyn wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:5 pages already, 90% of them are Goons+SMA pet want to talk me out of it. Including 2 directors + Mynnna himself.
Can anyone think of a better reason why it must be made?! I really can't see you getting anyone competent to agree to accepting anyone that applies.
oh i dont know.... |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
885
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:04:00 -
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The good news is, that for your case help is readily available.
With the support of family and friends, plus therapy or medication recommended by a doctor, it is possible to overcome your problem...
maybe Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-) |
Istyn
Freight Club
281
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:54:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Istyn wrote: I really can't see you getting anyone competent to agree to accepting anyone that applies.
Who said they should accept anyone into themselves? Why not make it a satellite alliance with official endorsement? The alliance executor and the director of the default corp (that takes individual pilots) are alts from directors of the real alliance. The satellite alliance gets decent leadership and FCs. The real alliance gets a pool for recruitment, meat shield (their losses aren't on your killboard) and decoy: Goon sees war target and has to click-click to figure out if it's a good PvP-er or just an angry carebear alt. Click-Click is a long time in terms of interceptors warp speed.
This isn't how any merc corp/alliance director thinks. There isn't really any part of that example that they would see as a benefit - their losses aren't on the 'real' killboard sure, but neither are any kills they get.
High sec mercs basically think on the basis of killboard-***** measuring. Unless you can work out some way to have the alliance open without affecting the length of their johnson, you're better off hiring someone on a near-permanent basis. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
214
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Posted - 2014.01.10 08:01:00 -
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Istyn wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Istyn wrote: I really can't see you getting anyone competent to agree to accepting anyone that applies.
Who said they should accept anyone into themselves? Why not make it a satellite alliance with official endorsement? The alliance executor and the director of the default corp (that takes individual pilots) are alts from directors of the real alliance. The satellite alliance gets decent leadership and FCs. The real alliance gets a pool for recruitment, meat shield (their losses aren't on your killboard) and decoy: Goon sees war target and has to click-click to figure out if it's a good PvP-er or just an angry carebear alt. Click-Click is a long time in terms of interceptors warp speed. This isn't how any merc corp/alliance director thinks. There isn't really any part of that example that they would see as a benefit - their losses aren't on the 'real' killboard sure, but neither are any kills they get. High sec mercs basically think on the basis of killboard-***** measuring. Unless you can work out some way to have the alliance open without affecting the length of their johnson, you're better off hiring someone on a near-permanent basis.
Well i got an alliance i am not using that i can setup to kill goons for any one that want to join |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2475
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:13:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:5 pages already, 90% of them are Goons+SMA pet want to talk me out of it. Including 2 directors + Mynnna himself.
Can anyone think of a better reason why it must be made?! Do you actually believe this? I mean the THEYRE COMMENTING THEREFORE THEY R SCURRED was inevitable, but do you actually believe this?
I mean it. How do you rationalise anything you say? You dig yourself into these statements over and over again, stating things as absolutes. When it turns out all the people "just trolling" were right, you simply act like it never happened.
Essentially 95% of everything you've ever stated would happen, has transpired to be the literal opposite of what came to pass.
So I ask again - when it fails this time (and it will) who are you going to blame? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2475
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:16:00 -
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Like, you just don't get it, and apparently have swallowed the Jade Constantine narrative hook, line and sinker. Do you even realise a forever war with highsec was the literal goal of most of those wardecs? That it wasn't Goonswarm that complained? You've head some hilariously vitriolic nonsense and accepted it at face value, and have concluded the answer is more vitriolic nonsense.
The absolute best case scenario for your plan here, is that you pay to give us a forever war with the whole of highsec. That's a highly positive outcome for us.
What does this even look like in your head. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2475
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:24:00 -
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Whilst I have your attention I have a quick question. I'm putting together a tackle-titan and I'm wondering if I should made the point officer, or whether faction would be good enough.
Apparently you have a really good EFT-warriored fit around so I thought I would ask for advice.
Sorry for wandering off topic.
e: in case you're missing the subtlety, this is an example of "Things I know better than anyone else by Gevlon" you've come up with in the past. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:27:00 -
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As a hurr-durr Goon linemember sockpuppet, I naturally agree with everything you said Khanh. I mean, you used 3 posts in a row and everything. |
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Jane Kelier
Whalers Hunting Lodge The Whale Hunters Association
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:18:00 -
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The Whale Hunters Association is willing to undertake this project pending isk |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2476
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:23:00 -
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Jane Kelier wrote:The Whale Hunters Association is willing to undertake this project pending isk Why would an organisation that seemingly hunts extra-large mammals want to come aft...
Oh. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Istyn
Freight Club
282
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:31:00 -
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Nice alliance name. |
Jane Kelier
Whalers Hunting Lodge The Whale Hunters Association
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:07:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Jane Kelier wrote:The Whale Hunters Association is willing to undertake this project pending isk Why would an organisation that seemingly hunts extra-large mammals want to come aft... Oh.
Rumors have it the white whale swims amongst the goons! |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
795
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:20:00 -
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Rumors have it, Eggs are nearby. YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:46:00 -
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I am a potential high sec pvp'er that would happily join in the cause against the nasty goon menace, but I am not gonna join up with some elitist pvp corp because I am an extremely casual gamer and I tend to clash with elitists who want things done their way.
So unless you can sort that out, you are gonna have a lot less meatshield imo. In which case you might just be better off directly paying mercs to kill goons. Or maybe you should make the alliance yourself? |
Colonel Rhombus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:13:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:I attacked 2 POCOs and both times a Goon director shown up. I make a "silly" forum post and directors come to talk me out of it. I doubt a line Goon (not to mention a pet) has the privilege of being addressed by the mighty cupola of GSF. I think this is the proper lesson.
I have been activated as a strategic asset to ensure the survival of the Goon way of life. I have been granted full authority to negotiate on behalf of Grand Marshal Mittany and the SkyTeam Directorhood of Goonshire to see this situation resolved. High Command is reeling from the stillborn "Operation: Directors Convince Glevon to Reduce Pressure." Accept my sincerest apoplexies for the haphazard manner in which you were addressed initially. Formal negotiations commence now.
- What are your demands?
Please respond.
Over. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:37:00 -
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@Unforgiven Storm: thank you for adding to my collection of "notable Goons crying a river"
@Lilan Kahn: I can find a "form alliance" interface myself. Paying a knowledged highsec PvP-er corp to manage it is because of their expert guidance they can give to newbies.
@Khanh'rhh: in your numerous post you've given valid and important feedback. Properly answering it would exceed the post size, so I wrote it on a more appropriate platform, you can see it here.
@Jane Kelier: Thank you for your offer. Seeing the size, age and killboard history of your alliance, I'm sure we can find a prosperous cooperation.
@Renegade Heart: the plan is explicitly to allow every non-awoxer in. While guidance is given, commands are not.
Colonel Rhombus wrote: What are your demands?
I'm glad that Goons are finally seeing reason. I have 3 demands:
1) Freedom and equality to all! More than 50 years have passed since Martin Luther King Jr wrote "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Yet people are not equal in CFC. While most are judged according to participation and contribution, given moons or space or taken away according to their merit, Goonwaffe itself is not. Its members are born into a state above the law. This must not stand, the merit evaluations of CFC must contain Goonwaffe; reward - and if necessary discipline - must be handed out to its members equally.
2) Teach and not grief! I completely agree that highsec is littered with morons and slackers. Those who stuff several billions into a freighter, mine in a Hulk in 0.5 or haul PLEX in a T1 industrial must be clearly reminded of his error. However it must be done in the context of informing and elevating, not of insulting and humiliating. When I was doing this holy work I gave a guide to all players I could. When Goons did the Lord's work in Jita or the ice belts, they instead spouted hate and despair, leaving the dumb just as dumb as he was. Fighting ignorance is the responsibility of all enlightened people, I demand Goons to do their part!
3) Stop the rise of the sea levels! Many countries, including Iceland, home of CCP is in danger of the rising sea levels. While some democrats like Al Gore claim it's related to the carbon-dioxide emission, we know it's not true. The real reason is Slowcats. They create such a flow of Goon tears that simply cannot be absorbed by the ecosystem. I demand you to do as the Most Pleasant, Patient and Calm person of EVE suggested.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2397
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:43:00 -
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That... That is just way too much stupid for a single post. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5908
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:11:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:2) Teach and not grief! I completely agree that highsec is littered with morons and slackers. Those who stuff several billions into a freighter, mine in a Hulk in 0.5 or haul PLEX in a T1 industrial must be clearly reminded of his error. However it must be done in the context of informing and elevating, not of insulting and humiliating. When I was doing this holy work I gave a guide to all players I could. When Goons did the Lord's work in Jita or the ice belts, they instead spouted hate and despair, leaving the dumb just as dumb as he was. Fighting ignorance is the responsibility of all enlightened people, I demand Goons to do their part! that sounds like a request for altruism, from the mouth of a moron and slacker who is trying to get other people to do his work for him while having basic errors about the game
for more, please see galtse.cx "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:20:00 -
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Weaselior wrote: that sounds like a request for altruism, from the mouth of a moron and slacker who is trying to get other people to do his work for him while having basic errors about the game
for more, please see galtse.cx
Galt is a fictional character. Rand was the real world person, who dedicated her life to write books to teach people. Her heritage is in a political movement, which - by definition - spreads ideas.
Also, linking a page of information doesn't require one more effort than writing insults, so it can hardly be characterized as more altruistic. The only cost of teaching over griefing is losing tears, but this is an emotional-social construct without objective existence. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
797
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:28:00 -
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More news at 11...... YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:46:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Galt is a fictional character. Rand was the real world person, who dedicated her life to write books to teach people. Her heritage is in a political movement, which - by definition - spreads ideas.
In the same way L. Ron Hubbard's legacy is a religious movement. ^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7 |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
263
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:48:00 -
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Reading this thread was like watching that part of the movie in "Ocean's 12" where they meet the thief and speak in codes and riddles.
And OP....
While I agree with a good bit of your disdain for the goons, hitting them in hisec is not going to do anything but force them to use non-corped alts if they need to haul stuff. Like others have said, if you desire conflict, bring conflict to their home. You say repeatedly that you dont know how to pvp.... well you wont learn unless you go do it. There are no IWIN buttons in this game. Everything can be countered and every advantage can be overcome, depending on your willingness to learn.
You also say its the goonies responsibility to educate the masses? If your not trolling, I have an answer. When they did all of their operations that resulted in the "disdain" you are talking about... It is not their responsibility to educate players. It is the PLAYERS who must educate themselves. They merely provide the antagonist. They are your end-game content, so to speak. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:20:00 -
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The POCO in Iyen-Oursta will leave reinforced in 5 hours, 37 minutes.
Will you dare to face the fleet of Grr Goonswarm little bees? Or you didn't want that highsec POCO anyway?
Mynnna promised 60 minions to rep it! See it this way: flying Ospreys is much more fun than flying bombless bombers! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5909
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:52:00 -
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gevlon, how is it that you're operating on an npc alt and can't figure out why nobody is scared about you being able to attack people with a gsf ticker in highsec "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Jai Centarium
Anqara Expeditions
4
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:02:00 -
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There isn't enough popcorn in the world to allow me to enjoy this thread to the fullest. |
General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:06:00 -
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PUBLIC CHANNEL : Lemmings PUB - Everyone is welcome!
ARE YOU ALL READY TO JOIN "DARWINS LEMMINGS" AND GET SOME GOONBEAR TEARS ?
* If so, apply TODAY !
* Never done pvp before ? No Problem...... this is your chance to train PVP with an easy target !
* This alliance will be at war with Goonswarm 24/7/365.
* Why ?? Well, just because we can.....
Enjoy my fellow Lemmings..... |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5911
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:32:00 -
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i am actually amazed gevlon managed to figure out how to create an alliance
i am not at all amazed nobody was willing to tarnish their name, good or not, by association with gevlon "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
797
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:48:00 -
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Marmites totally endorse this new alliance and war !
We will be recruiting the best of the Lemmings..... YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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