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Del DelVechio
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
202
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:05:00 -
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I got a shiny new Merlin last month, with T2 guns even, from my share of POCO/Goon Pet RMT ISK. Sadly I am afraid to undock it in Otela as Lemmings/Marmots have us hellcamped in....Who can save me?
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2510
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:05:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Marmite is one of the elite I just wanted to pick this out. You realise that this is in fact incorrect right?
Why don't you do your little stat gathering thing and actually look at what they do. They camp stations and gates and buff their killboard with easy kills (26% of the volume of their kills being things that can't shoot back - not including capsules, which makes up another 36%, for a total of 62% of their kills being unable to return fire).
The reason they appear elite is because they are highly risk averse, running away from anything that resembles an even fight or worse. Sure, if all people want is a buffed KB, they can go ahead and get it there (especially with those nifty trips to shoot titans in frigates), but your goal of taking down goons will not be accomplished by a group like that. The moment it looks like they might lose more than a couple of ships and hurt their precious efficiency, they'll bail. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Del DelVechio
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
202
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:11:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Marmite is one of the elite I just wanted to pick this out. You realise that this is in fact incorrect right? Why don't you do your little stat gathering thing and actually look at what they do. They camp stations and gates and buff their killboard with easy kills (26% of the volume of their kills being things that can't shoot back - not including capsules, which makes up another 36%, for a total of 62% of their kills being unable to return fire). The reason they appear elite is because they are highly risk averse, running away from anything that resembles an even fight or worse. Sure, if all people want is a buffed KB, they can go ahead and get it there (especially with those nifty trips to shoot titans in frigates), but your goal of taking down goons will not be accomplished by a group like that. The moment it looks like they might lose more than a couple of ships and hurt their precious efficiency, they'll bail.
They actually war decced an RvBer's alt corp one time. Killed a freighter and a few other things, then one PvP pilot joined and went berserker on them. They docked up and took the campaign off their KB and went to ground.....Thats really all you need to know.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2014.02.05 04:52:00 -
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Hey beefolk! I heard you like statistics! Here is some more!
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6338
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:06:00 -
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oh my god
i didn't think you could get dumber and then you post this ratting tax conspiracy
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2931
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:06:00 -
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The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.
Sorry for poking a hole in that idea. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6338
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:08:00 -
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gevlon literally posted an entire blog devoted to our nefarious plot to enslave the rest of the cfc by pushing down their ratting taxes and increasing our own
that's right the entire cfc is just so we can get more ratting taxes Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6338
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:09:00 -
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Quote:Finally we can explain how the Goon empire works, because the "lazy Goons being carried by pets" made little sense. Goons aren't that lazy, their stratop activity isn't that bad, so they are far from being useless in a war. Of course it doesn't explain why the Goon leadership accepts their fleetbearing while the same is punished for their pets. I mean if fleetbearing is good, then it's good, why ban it for pets?
Not because of what they do in fleets. A lazy SMA player rarely fleeting up is just as good as a lazy Goon. Then why purge the former? Because of what they do outside of fleets. The pets, due to their enforced PvP culture are spending their free time getting into fights. The Goons are spending their free time making ISK. Nullsec ISK making activities can be taxed. Goonwaffe goes with 15% tax. This means that if a Goon farms 640M to get a PLEX, he gives 112M to Goonwaffe. By the time he farms 3B for a dreadnought, he gave 530M to Goonwaffe. Remember that even on the peak of the "unbeatable" Tech empire, the moon income was mere 50M/pilot/month. Compare that with the ratting taxes! Of course the pet members have ISK needs too, but they either do it on highsec alts (because nullsec industrial alt would harm the performance/member of the corp) or they convert PLEX-es. Either way, their corp gets nothing.
So by allowing Goons to carebear on their main, but forcing pets to get ISK outside of corp, The Mittani and his fellow leaders create a situation where Goonwaffe is swimming in taxed ISK, while pet corps and alliances have only one income source: what The Mittani gives them from the moon and renter income. This way the corp and alliance leaders depend on the The Mittani financially. Remember how many times he told that "Goons have the smallest amount of moons compared to their size among CFC"! Not a coincidence. The obscene hate towards "carebears", the Hulkageddon and Burn Jita isn't by mistake either. It's to spread the doctrine that carebearing is bad. Of course people still have ISK needs, but they hide it in alts, making sure that the coffers of their corp remains empty. So the truth is that Goons aren't dead weight at all on CFC. They are the economic powerhouse, and they monopolize this power source by forcing all the pets to be PvP-ers. The genius part is that it doesn't need too much force, as being "pure PvP-er" is a prestigious position, while in reality it means defeat or slavery.
Why no one defeated the Goons? Because their enemies are like their pets: impoverished PvP-ers who waste their time on roams, fishing fleets and such nonsense. They simply can't keep up with CFC financially, which could be seen by the change of supercapital power. Who will defeat the Goons? An alliance that openly does what the Goons do secretly. That throws away that "we are PvP-ers" attitude, embraces carebearing as a way of contribution and places the fleetbear as the ideal member: the one who goes on stratop fleets, but avoid pointless PvP and spends the rest of the time ISK making, both to get himself into capitals and to support his corp/alliance.
Please note that such alliance is necessarily the enemy of Goons, as Goons would demand them giving up their carebear side before accepting them as pets (allies). If you are financially independent, Goons will go after you. They ignored TEST until Fountain became valuable. They laugh on PvP-ers and smash them, but they are scared of carebears. For a good reason. Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2931
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:12:00 -
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Quote:An alliance that openly does what the Goons do secretly. That throws away that "we are PvP-ers" attitude, embraces carebearing as a way of contribution and places the fleetbear as the ideal member: the one who goes on stratop fleets, but avoid pointless PvP and spends the rest of the time ISK making, both to get himself into capitals and to support his corp/alliance.
Yeah I believe that alliance was called "Test Alliance Please Ignore"
Anyone heard of them lately? Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2014.02.05 05:41:00 -
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mynnna wrote:The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.
Sure, that's totally believable. I mean Chribba learns trustworthiness from you. Also, there are POCO taxes, refinery costs, VFK broker fees, little bit of this and little bit of that.
But you know what's funny? That with 4000 Goonwaffe members, your 100B/month figure is still 25M/member/month, half of what the Tech empire provided for CFC on its peak (2T/40000 pilots). |
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
51
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Posted - 2014.02.05 06:03:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:mynnna wrote:The problem with your theory is that ratting taxes only make us 100b a month.
Sure, that's totally believable. I mean Chribba learns trustworthiness from you.
Like your stuff is more believable, given your lack of understanding of this game. |

Edmark I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.02.05 06:04:00 -
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Goblin breaks us for good by telling us we are even richer than we thought ITT  |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2510
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Posted - 2014.02.05 07:50:00 -
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As with all of his statistics posts, he has a preconceived conclusion, and he will get to that no matter how dumb it makes him look. And I really don't understand the point. Am I supposed to now believe him that we mere pets make no income (even though my eyes appear to tell me that's untrue), and start shooting goons? Is that what is supposed to happen? I don't think it's likely.
Basically, unless his goal is to sound like a butthurt raving lunatic, he's missed the mark by quite a distance. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3466
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Posted - 2014.02.05 08:16:00 -
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So what are we up to now? 2B a week in wardec costs? Don't be shy. If you want to win, you'll need to dec the entire CFC and pay for it. Throwing 10b or so a week just in dec fees will be worth it though in the end for the victor.
I'm excited to see all of this master plan unfold, Gevlon, as it appears we all are.
Will you be funding properly fit fleets of legions to snipe pods?
I'm willing to bet that if you buy Lemmings the skillbooks and fitted ships that they will be put to good use and really increase the kills.
I think you need more data though so that you can write more articles like this to expose even more secrets.
Are there any Goons here that will sell him these secrets for the right price? See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
255
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Posted - 2014.02.05 08:48:00 -
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You gotta give it to Gevlon tho.
He's putting the money where his mouth his. He is creating content ingame and on the forums :) |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2514
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:50:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:You gotta give it to Gevlon tho.
He's putting the money where his mouth his. He is creating content ingame and on the forums :) Not sure I'd agree with that entirely. The forum content is just troll posts, which are inevitable. The in game content is just normal high sec wardec content moved from Marmite to a new name. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1241
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:25:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Weaselior wrote: gevlon is paying somewhere betweeen 2-3b a week on wardecs between marmites and lemmings
you can imagine how hilarious that is to us, i should total up the amount of isk we've trolled him into flushing down a toilet
the 40b he donated to test though is hard to top
"ISK" is just pixels. You can only donate time in EVE. I mean the time I spent earning that ISK. Since my income is 6-700M/hour, it means that I donate 4 hours a week to Marmite for running the Lemmings and massacring Goons and pets. I donated about 65 hours to TEST which was indeed wasted and I regretted it. But hard to top? How much time the Goon pets were donated to grind down regions in bombless bombers for The Mittani who rents it out? An Ihub has 5M structure, 75M shield, 112M armor. A Bombless Bomber with imperfect skills has 600 DPS= 2.1M damage/hour. So they donated 91 hours for every single IHUB. And hundreds were taken. Who is scammed here? You.
well he has a point that the people that sit there shooting all those IHUbs were kind of explored :P the time wasted translated to more money not being done than the total value NC. lost in BR..... :P Imrpessive how price of time gets up really fast when combined :) "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2637
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:32:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Hey beefolk! I heard you like statistics! Here is some more!
I'm done.
AHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHAahh
what "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2637
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Posted - 2014.02.05 10:41:00 -
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That's over 1000 words and loads of stats to miss the same point, and wail about the same thing using different words. I mean, when several people have explained over and over why you're seeing less-per-person from someone in Goonwaffe it's some bizarre mystery to me why you re-run different numbers to say the same thing.
I guess I can just copy and paste the responses you got last time?
Keep tilting at your "I think I can win if I make the whole CFC implode with stats you'll see" windmill though this is p funny. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
101
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Posted - 2014.02.05 11:13:00 -
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Goons are like me telling my wife its in her best interest to stop shopping. Really hun....its not for me, I just want to protect you and you money. 
Lemmings are at 260 members now, with a few more corp waiting for the 24hours to end. This weekend at 300. Slowly growing, growing and building. Good to see more and more TEST guys joining. And even RvB 
If you wish to have easy targets and enjoy pew pew, join with your corp today! |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2515
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Posted - 2014.02.05 11:33:00 -
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General Lemming wrote:Goons are like me telling my wife its in her best interest to stop shopping. Really hun....its not for me, I just want to protect you and you money.  Lemmings are at 260 members now, with a few more corp waiting for the 24hours to end. This weekend at 300. Slowly growing, growing and building. Good to see more and more TEST guys joining. And even RvB  If you wish to have easy targets and enjoy pew pew, join with your corp today! So soon 300 people will sit around and not accomplish anything while you get paid for occasionally popping online and posting on here?
That's good news. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.02.05 12:05:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:General Lemming wrote:Goons are like me telling my wife its in her best interest to stop shopping. Really hun....its not for me, I just want to protect you and you money.  Lemmings are at 260 members now, with a few more corp waiting for the 24hours to end. This weekend at 300. Slowly growing, growing and building. Good to see more and more TEST guys joining. And even RvB  If you wish to have easy targets and enjoy pew pew, join with your corp today! So soon 300 people will sit around and not accomplish anything while you get paid for occasionally popping online and posting on here? That's good news.
300!, I seem to recall another 300 in history that brought an empire to it's knees or at least started the downfall of that empire.
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doc know
Second Hand Implants Inc. Darwins Lemmings
11
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Posted - 2014.02.05 12:45:00 -
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Here we go! :)
EVERYONE IS WELCOME
PUBLIC CHANNEL : Lemmings PUB
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darwins_Lemmings
ARE YOU ALL READY TO JOIN "DARWINS LEMMINGS" AND GET SOME GOON BEAR AND RvB PET'S TEARS ?
* If so, apply TODAY !
* Never done pvp before ? No Problem...... this is your chance to train PVP with an easy target !
* Minimal requirements are 3 million Skill Points (to avoid 1 day old spies).
* At war with Goonswarm Federation 24 / 7 / 365 and RvB. More might follow in the future.
* Why ?? Well, just because we are lemmings and we can.....
This alliance is supported by The Marmite Collective. The best Lemmings might be asked to join the Marmites (300 players max).
The Darwins Lemmings call for Goon tears
Enjoy the war my fellow Lemmings..... |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3475
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Posted - 2014.02.05 13:52:00 -
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Miko Jin wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:General Lemming wrote:Goons are like me telling my wife its in her best interest to stop shopping. Really hun....its not for me, I just want to protect you and you money.  Lemmings are at 260 members now, with a few more corp waiting for the 24hours to end. This weekend at 300. Slowly growing, growing and building. Good to see more and more TEST guys joining. And even RvB  If you wish to have easy targets and enjoy pew pew, join with your corp today! So soon 300 people will sit around and not accomplish anything while you get paid for occasionally popping online and posting on here? That's good news. 300!, I seem to recall another 300 in history that brought an empire to it's knees or at least started the downfall of that empire.
Please, let's think of an example that wasn't slaughtered in the end. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
481
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Posted - 2014.02.05 13:55:00 -
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Knights of the new order, fighting against odds with thousands of non-copmpliant miners?
D.
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Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:26:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Miko Jin wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:General Lemming wrote:Goons are like me telling my wife its in her best interest to stop shopping. Really hun....its not for me, I just want to protect you and you money.  Lemmings are at 260 members now, with a few more corp waiting for the 24hours to end. This weekend at 300. Slowly growing, growing and building. Good to see more and more TEST guys joining. And even RvB  If you wish to have easy targets and enjoy pew pew, join with your corp today! So soon 300 people will sit around and not accomplish anything while you get paid for occasionally popping online and posting on here? That's good news. 300!, I seem to recall another 300 in history that brought an empire to it's knees or at least started the downfall of that empire. Please, let's think of an example that wasn't slaughtered in the end.
The point is it all has to start somewhere and arrogance/Ignorance of any empire that they cannot lose or be defeated is shown throughout history to be a bad strategy.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2639
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:45:00 -
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N3 were making non-ironic '300' posts right up until...
Hm...
Wasn't there something in the news about the largest massacre in Eve ever recently?
Also I don't remember at any point reading "And Brave King Leonidas said to his spartans: 'Only attack when you are in range of immediate cover. As soon as an equal force appears you are to immediately flee the area instead of risking yourselves in any way'"
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:51:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:N3 were making non-ironic '300' posts right up until...
Hm...
Wasn't there something in the news about the largest massacre in Eve ever recently?
Also I don't remember at any point reading "And Brave King Leonidas said to his spartans: 'Only attack when you are in range of immediate cover. As soon as an equal force appears you are to immediately flee the area instead of risking yourselves in any way'"
Marmite / Lemmings can be more aptly described as highwaymen; content to wallow in their false sense of accomplishment against unarmed travellers, but posing no risk to travelling armies.
Beware the thief that comes in the night.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2517
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:14:00 -
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Miko Jin wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Miko Jin wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:General Lemming wrote:Goons are like me telling my wife its in her best interest to stop shopping. Really hun....its not for me, I just want to protect you and you money.  Lemmings are at 260 members now, with a few more corp waiting for the 24hours to end. This weekend at 300. Slowly growing, growing and building. Good to see more and more TEST guys joining. And even RvB  If you wish to have easy targets and enjoy pew pew, join with your corp today! So soon 300 people will sit around and not accomplish anything while you get paid for occasionally popping online and posting on here? That's good news. 300!, I seem to recall another 300 in history that brought an empire to it's knees or at least started the downfall of that empire. Please, let's think of an example that wasn't slaughtered in the end. The point is it all has to start somewhere and arrogance/Ignorance of any empire that they cannot lose or be defeated is shown throughout history to be a bad strategy. The film as not historically accurate, just so you know. But then if it was, how many of the lemmings do you honestly think would be a spartan? It's no secret that the lemmings will recruit anybody, in fact that is their selling point. In order for 300 people to make a half decent stand they would need to be both tactically superior and well skilled. They are neither.
It's not arrogance to suggest that 300 randomly recruited people sitting at a gate in high sec shooting pods will not have any impact. That's common sense. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
345
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:20:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The film as not historically accurate, just so you know. But then if it was, how many of the lemmings do you honestly think would be a spartan? It's no secret that the lemmings will recruit anybody, in fact that is their selling point. In order for 300 people to make a half decent stand they would need to be both tactically superior and well skilled. They are neither.
It's not arrogance to suggest that 300 randomly recruited people sitting at a gate in high sec shooting pods will not have any impact. That's common sense.
Im glad someone pointed that out... Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
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