How does it convert back into $$$ though?

This has to happen before its RMT

Otherwise you are just paying for the right to access a server and use virtual tools on that server

How does it convert back into $$$ though?

Isk -> Plex -> game time -> usd not paid

Because a PLEX can be converted to an ETC, retaining most of its value. Which is also why EVE's ISK is the only virtual currency that can be tied to a real currency, the spent sheckels don't really disappear anywhere until the PLEX is activated to whatever purpose.

You are now officially considered both Troll and KOS target by myself, my corp and soon my Alliance

This is not a threat

This is not something that bothers me if you care about it or not

This is a fact

Be seeing you

Sorry on my iphone makes punctuation and proof reading pretty bad.

How is usd -> plex -> isk not rmt? Real money to in game item.

Regardless of this reimbursing someone for time played or who gets the better deal or it was already there nonsense logic says it's usd for in game items.

Here is an example of pay to win. My win is to be able to plex my account each month by running level 4s;
With pay to win
Spend $200 on plex and sell them for 7bil. Go to character bazaar, buy tengu pilot, log in, buy a tengu, win game

Alternative w/o paying
Spend the next 8 months properly skilling to fly and fit a tengu while grinding l3s to earn enough isk to pay for it once skills are completed. Win game

Option A takes months less time due to external money. That is the very definition of pay to win and very possible and accepted in eve.

So pay to win is not a concern since it's already in the game.

Purchasing an item that doesn't exist in game with real money is the issue here. As i stated sp = time + usd if it was just cash we would not be having this debate. On top of paying cash for your sub you need to wait time to earn the sp so it is a combo of the two. Ccp has made several changes in skills and training times of skills so it's not like we are setting new ground here to ask for a way to pay to lower the time and offset it with more cash.

Let me explain where something like this would be useful to a new player
When i first started i signed up via the buddy program and was given 500m as a thank you. I spent the first 2 months afk waiting to be able to fly something capable of doing an l4 since the profits from l1, 2, 3 were just so laughable compared to what i already had in the bank. I would have gladly paid $30 at that point to be able to play weeks sooner.

Textbook example of Pay 2 Win, you paid money to get an advantage on someone who isn't paying money.

Ramona's threat

What threat?

The one where I said I would kill him on sight?

Why do I need backup to do that?

Also, you may note I said it was not a threat, it was a promise.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_Day_Pilot's_License_Extension#Convert_ETC_Into_PLEX

Where does it go the other way?

I wish you where cute when you are angry. But you're an ugly mad :(

And all this, because "literal" and "written" are infact two distinct and separate words.
So much hate...

I wish you where cute when you are angry. But you're an ugly mad :(

And all this, because "literal" and "written" are infact two distinct and separate words.
So much hate...

What threat?

The one where I said I would kill him on sight?

Why do I need backup to do that?

Also, you may note I said it was not a threat, it was a promise.

How is usd -> plex -> isk not rmt? Real money to in game item.

Regardless of this reimbursing someone for time played or who gets the better deal or it was already there nonsense logic says it's usd for in game items.

Here is an example of pay to win. My win is to be able to plex my account each month by running level 4s;

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Option A takes months less time due to external money. That is the very definition of pay to win and very possible and accepted in eve.

Purchasing an item that doesn't exist in game with real money is the issue here.

As i stated sp = time + usd if it was just cash we would not be having this debate. On top of paying cash for your sub you need to wait time to earn the sp so it is a combo of the two.

OK, so you promised to kill him on sight.
No threat, a promise.
And you need no backup.
Fair enough.

According to zkilllboard, again, you have exactly ONE kill in your career, against 9 losses, and that was when you were in RvB.
Once again, not exactly something that keeps people awake at night, unless you plan on going after him with an alt that has far more PvP experience.

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You would be able to buy the boost with PLEX though, so the cash argument fails.

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This just in, people in EVE only have one character!!!! News at 11.

According to zkilllboard, again, you have exactly ONE kill in your career, against 9 losses, and that was when you were in RvB.
Once again, not exactly something that keeps people awake at night, unless you plan on going after him with an alt that has far more PvP experience.

It kind of loses its cachet if an alt nails him, unless the alt then trash talks saying "I am Ramona", but why give up one of your alts.

Oh, BTW. of the 4 chars in Ramona's corp, 2 have no combat history at all, and one other has zero kills, one loss.
Looks like Ramona is a low sec FW plexer, at a cursory glance.

So I guess it will have to be ANOTHER alt of Ramona's that does the deed.

Panties in a Gordian Knot

All your irrelevant and circular nonsense in your previous post.

The boost would be available to all players, equally, through PLEX.
There is no "unfairness" in it. Everyone can use them, new players and old.

Because you're not paying cash for in-game items. You're paying cash for game time. You then compensate people for the time they've spend creating whatever it is you're after by giving them more time to keep doing so. You are never giving people any real money in exchange for their services.

Sure, you could quibble that by giving them time, they don't have to spend their own money but contrary to the folksy saying, a penny saved is not actually a penny earned. You are still not giving them any money. It is impossible to turn PLEX into anything worth real money that you could then sell, and even if it was possible, selling it would not be allowed anyway.

GǪaside from the troubling detail that your USD isn't buying you any game items.

No, that is not GÇ£the very definition of pay to winGÇ¥. That is just something you've invented to let you call regular gameplay P2W by hiding the actual gameplay that goes into the process. More commonly, P2W refers to the ability to get an advantage by paying that you can't have without paying for it. No such advantage exists in EVE GÇö everything you pay for has to be available without paying for it because otherwise it wouldn't be available for you to buy.

What you're describing is trading time, not getting an advantage over other players. And the GÇ£tradingGÇ¥ part is crucial here: it is not time skipped or sped up or created out of nowhere GÇö it is time saved up over time, as it were, at a 1:1 rate. As with the items and cash you trade for you PLEX, it has to be available without paying for it because otherwise it would not be available for purchase.

And again, if all you ever can get can be had GÇö and first has to be had GÇö without paying for it, what advantage is it you think you get by paying? And what advantage do you get only if you're paying?

GǪand aside from the NeX stuff (which has no effect on the game, which is why the community kind of allowed it) nothing of the kind exists in EVE. If something doesn't exist in-game, you can't buy it no matter how much real cash you're willing to throw at the problem.
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Im a cyno alt and so's my corp, so what?

Doesnt mean I cant fire a bomb ffs

Thanks for your announcement.
I don't care.

I look forward to the KM.
Since you can't post KM's here, please email it to me.

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