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Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:You are now officially considered both Troll and KOS target by myself, my corp and soon my Alliance
This is not a threat
This is not something that bothers me if you care about it or not
This is a fact
Be seeing you
Knickers in a twist there, lady?
After reading my posts, as I know you have, do you REALLY believe that I do not know the difference between "literal" and "written"? Do you REALLY believe that your attempt to jab at me with that false implication, would stick? Its up to you whether you choose to believe me or not, when I say I included them BOTH, deliberately. And as above, its up to you to get extremely panty-mad about it too and make empty EVE threats all you like :D
Furthermore, "written" and "literal" are not the same word. They do not mean the same thing, as you claim they do. So in your fatty attempt to jab, you actually face-planted quite hard on that. ------------ |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
412
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:05:00 -
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It already is. - I pay every month, and I get to win.
Buying better equipment never made anyone inherently better at the task. You can already buy a skilled character with all the trimmings or PLEX to buy all the toys. What you can't to is buy the skill and experience not to have it taken from you.
The same **** happens in life, people with more experience will all ways have an edge. Your friends bigger problem is not understanding that difference. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:06:00 -
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So, Tippia.
Voice?
Record and distribute it as you wish. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3196
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:07:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:[ Its up to you whether you choose to believe me or not, when I say I included them BOTH, deliberately. And as above, its up to you to get extremely panty-mad about it too and make empty EVE threats all you like :D
This is not something that bothers me if you care about it or not, Troll *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:This is not something that bothers me if you care about it or not, Troll
Please, tell me again, how you claim that "written" and "literal" are the same word, and mean exactly the same thing?
Care to repeat that?
Also. Love all the "does not bother me, but I now randomly announce that KOS for my entire alliance whom are all under my influence lolz". Clearly not bothered, no. ------------ |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3964
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:10:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:It wouldn't make a bit of difference to anyone else.
It doesn't "break" any game mechanic.
It just means that players who have PLEX or currency at hand, can achieve their skill goals sooner. So what. They are doing it by expending more resources in that time period, to do so. Overall, they will have spent atleast as much PLEX/money, and probably much more, than any conventional player. The only difference, is time.
In order to do so, they have to use PLEX or purchase the boost with currency, both of which are good for the game overall. You already can, there are these nice things called implants. You can take the isk you would of used for a plex and buy a set of +5's. Then you will train WAY faster then i will, even though i have been here for 10 years, i die WAY too much for implants. So you already have a 'sp boost' Why should you be rewarded for coming to a 10 year game now, when I have been here since the nearly the beginning? This would break game mechanics and you would see a ton of vets quit over this. And if they open it up to everyone, then you would STILL never catch up. Because again, as a 10 year vet, i know pretty much this game backwards and farwards, and i can easily make more money then you, so i could always just keep getting plex and keep boosting. So you would STILL get no advantage, thus making this idea pointless.
This. A 10 year old vet is WAY MORE entitled to goodies and special offers then a new player.
After all, he has been funding CCP for a much longer time. 10 x 12 x 15 (not taking into account special offers etc) = 1800 dollar.
And that is also without any PLEX for ISK injection or what so ever.
So why should a 3 week old guy been given an advantage over the vets (yes, it is an advantage as the vet did NOT have the same bonus when he started. He even got nerfs compared to the newbies now by ways of no skillqueue (yeah, alarmclock skill updating) and learning skills).
OP...2 things for you.
A. Learn how the game works B. Learn how new players are already having a much easier time now a days.
Do that, untill then...stop posting as all you do is making the vets laugh at your stupid ideas about turning EVE into wow. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3196
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:11:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:This is not something that bothers me if you care about it or not, Troll Please, tell me again, how you claim that "written" and "literal" are the same word, and mean exactly the same thing? Care to repeat that? Also. Love all the "does not bother me, but I now randomly announce that KOS for my entire alliance whom are all under my influence lolz". Clearly not bothered, no.
Troll on. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5750
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:12:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:
The same **** happens in life, people with more experience will all ways have an edge. Your friends bigger problem is not understanding that difference.
As an aside, this is why most games are the way they are (ie "you are the hero!!") and why people actually desire pay to win.
Lots of gamers are folks trying to get away from a sucky real life and modern games let them 'win' at something (unlike games from when i was younger, that kicked your ass and made you like it so much that you kept feeding the game the quarters you extorted from your mom lol). But even in games they have to face some uncomfortable realities (like 'not being able to catch up' with older players) so game companies bend to them again and again so they can win at something and feel good about themselves and pay for the privilege.
EVE is damn near the last bastion of "you suck, we know you suck, now PROVE you don't suck using only your wits" gaming and some people can't stand it and want it , too, to be 'pay to win' so they can feel good about what they are doing.
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Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:13:00 -
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Makes no difference between vets and noobs.
Both could use it.
You seem to be under the impression I am concerned with new players catching up to Vets. I am not. That was the other guy.
At 50-75% boost, it would still take 7years and cost MUCH more for the new player to match a 10yr Vet. And at the same time, the Vet can be using the same boost option to get even further in his training.
The change wouldn't make any difference, for an advanced player could use the boost just as effectively as a new player can. Ergo: no problems. ------------ |
Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:14:00 -
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I'm new to the game but I can tell that it's already 100% pay to win.
Which is quite disappointing tbh, since I hate pay to win games, or even feel that I'm playing one.
You can buy PLEX and with it you can buy anything in this game. Even people.
100% pay to win :/ |
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Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:14:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Troll on. Just because you get upset about something, does not mean you are being trolled. ------------ |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
599
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia, want to discuss it in voice?
Do you have the balls?
told you he fancys her Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:15:00 -
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Here, go get some Riverdance.
If you understand the message behind this, you will understand why the thread is so upset about training time boosts. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3200
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:16:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Troll on. Just because you get upset about something, does not mean you are being trolled.
It does when it comes from a Troll. In fact its the very definition. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3200
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:17:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia, want to discuss it in voice?
Do you have the balls?
told you he fancys her
Only cos I wouldnt cyber with him in his boners room
Though "boners" is such an exaggeration in his case *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2843
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:18:00 -
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mario games do the levels for you if you fail too many times :(
it's time to welcome the new style of quarter-feeding: free phone app lets the player win for five minutes, then demands credit card details for the next five minutes of failing to provide a challenge |
Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:19:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Troll on. Just because you get upset about something, does not mean you are being trolled. It does when it comes from a Troll. In fact its the very definition.
Who was the one who tried to make a jab at "written" and "literal", (wrongly) claiming they mean the same thing? Was that me? Nope. ------------ |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3966
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:19:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ill not answer as you said its for Tippia, but I can see around half a dozen mistakes in this post. There are none. Want to discuss it on voice?
Only if you join me in my bonus room on TS. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:20:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ill not answer as you said its for Tippia, but I can see around half a dozen mistakes in this post. There are none. Want to discuss it on voice? Only if you join me in my bonus room on TS.
Sure! Send me details and I'll be there promptly after a smoke. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3200
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:21:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Who was the one who tried to make a jab at "written" and "literal", (wrongly) claiming they mean the same thing? Was that me? Nope.
Shrug who cares? Keep trolling, you may get a partial ban from CCP if we are all lucky *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3972
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:21:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:ITT: Kneejerk reactionists who haven't thought it through.
Shame really. EVE was supposed to have an intelligent community.
Yeah. Until you joined the community. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20528
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:26:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:1) if i trade real life dollars for in game items i wouldn't otherwise have GǪyou would be banned for RMT.
Quote:how is this not paying to win regardless of where the item came from. Because by using PLEX, you're not buying any GÇ£winGÇ¥ GÇö you're recompensing people for time they've spent acquiring the items and ISK by giving them more time to keep doing so in the future. You're getting a pretty bad deal out of it, too, since if you just applied that time to yourself, you could earn a whole lot more with it than what you traded it for. It may just be me, but I don't really equate GÇ£pay to get a whole lot less for your time you paid for than what the time is actually worthGÇ¥ with GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥.
More importantly, it's not pay to win because what you get is stuff that is already in the game GÇö already acquired through normal means limited by all the existing mechanics put into place to limit that exact thing. The supposed advantage is already in the game and in practice offers no actual advantage since people already have them in abundance; they're so common and so not-advantageous that they're willing to give them up to you after all.
Nothing you buy can't be had without paying for it, as demonstrated by the fact that those who are selling it to you got it without paying for it. If all of that can be had anyway, what GÇ£advantageGÇ¥ do you believe that you're buying with your PLEX?
A PLEX is just a call option for game time (or AUR) without maturity. Even though it can be traded back and forth like any other instrument, nothing you can exercise it against offers any in-game advantage. Without such an advantage, and with everything you can trade it against already being in-game and acquired though other means, how can it ever be P2W?
Quote:Sp is generated by 2 things time + usd Actually, that's just one thing: cash, since time is created by cash and cash alone. What you're asking for is that you'll be allowed to spend more cash to make your first cash be worth more than someone else's cash. You're asking for the rules that determine how much time they get out of the deal to be different from the ones that decide how much you get out of yours. Letting people bypass or imbalance rules like that is a very bad thing GÇö so bad that it's often a bannable offence to do so GÇö and adding cash to the mix doesn't make it any better.
Quote:Wrong sp are static meaning a vet can only go so far in one field. You're assuming that when I say GÇ£old playersGÇ¥ I mean that they will apply this to their old characters. I don't. They will do that too, off course, and keep that SP gap people keep complaining about constant. But they will also do a much more potent thing, and that is to create special-purpose alts that will quickly top anything the new player can do with his one multi-role character. This means that the new players will not be able to close the gap to old characters, but they will also increasingly lag behind new characters owned by those old players. Again, at best, the new players can maintain a status quo (which makes the idea pointless); at worst, it will give old players more benefits (making the idea work for the exact opposite of its intended purpose).
Also, punctuation, please! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3972
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ok lets try this a different way;
Im chasing Salvos through NPC null
I know there is a gatecamp that he has just passed through and I cant follow in my current ship
There's an inty on sale in this system but gasp its minmatar and I cant fly those because I havent trained Min Frig 5
Oh wait *BAM* drops $120 in PLEX into PLEX4SP
In 30 secs I learn it and after him again lol, I'd almost pay a plex to see that. Basically what you're dealing with is someone who is so dishonest that they believe their own lies lol. No amount of reason is going to break through that wall. So much so that these types won't understand that what they think is such a great idea for new players (notice the OP stating the the "new player-veteran gap" is a motivation for this idea) is actually only a great idea for older players who (unlike new players) can throw in game isk generated PLEXes at their problems. Malcanis' law strikes again.
I just love how Salvos rages at everybody but this post. As this example is solid proof how terribad his idea is.
But he wont touch that, as the only option after reading it was to conceed defeat and unsub. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3972
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:31:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Makes no difference between vets and noobs. Both could use it. You seem to be under the impression I am concerned with new players catching up to Vets. I am not. That was the other guy. At 50-75% boost, it would still take 7years and cost MUCH more for the new player to match a 10yr Vet. And at the same time, the Vet can be using the same boost option to get even further in his training. The change wouldn't make any difference, for an advanced player could use the boost just as effectively as a new player can. Ergo: no problems.
Uhm. If both could use it....whats the point of having it...
Troll on for the time you have till thread padlocked. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Salvos Rhoska
1020
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:32:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:I just love how Salvos rages at everybody but this post. As this example is solid proof how terribad his idea is.
But he wont touch that, as the only option after reading it was to conceed defeat and unsub.
And I love how you still haven't delivered your TS details. Did you ignore that post?
Also, you are confusing me with OP. I'm not the same guy, and his views are not mine. ------------ |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2178
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:37:00 -
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No, not now, not tomorrow, not ever.
Pointless bling, that is all that is acceptable. This is not a signature. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:49:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:You arw forgetting that the vast majority of EVE players will leave if CCP does this... Good riddance...to them and you. Geez you're a snivelling whiner....in every post...
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:No, not now, not tomorrow, not ever.
Pointless bling, that is all that is acceptable. Yes, I'm just so wantng a Gold Tooth with a little diamond embedded in it... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1152
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:52:00 -
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EvE is as PTW as it can get already, hard to go much farther.
You can buy any character, any ship, any implant, any officer mod, with cash, thru the plex system. That is PTW. What you can't buy is the skill to understand how to use it, and no amount of gold ammo is going to change that....
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
29
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Organic Lager wrote:1) if i trade real life dollars for in game items i wouldn't otherwise have GǪyou would be banned for RMT. Quote:how is this not paying to win regardless of where the item came from. Because by using PLEX, you're not buying any GÇ£winGÇ¥ GÇö you're recompensing people for time they've spent acquiring the items and ISK by giving them more time to keep doing so in the future. You're getting a pretty bad deal out of it, too, since if you just applied that time to yourself, you could earn a whole lot more with it than what you traded it for. It may just be me, but I don't really equate GÇ£pay to get a whole lot less for your time you paid for than what the time is actually worthGÇ¥ with GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥. More importantly, it's not pay to win because what you get is stuff that is already in the game GÇö already acquired through normal means limited by all the existing mechanics put into place to limit that exact thing. The supposed advantage is already in the game and in practice offers no actual advantage since people already have them in abundance; they're so common and so not-advantageous that they're willing to give them up to you after all. Nothing you buy can't be had without paying for it, as demonstrated by the fact that those who are selling it to you got it without paying for it. If all of that can be had anyway, what GÇ£advantageGÇ¥ do you believe that you're buying with your PLEX? A PLEX is just a call option for game time (or AUR) without maturity. Even though it can be traded back and forth like any other instrument, nothing you can exercise it against offers any in-game advantage. Without such an advantage, and with everything you can trade it against already being in-game and acquired though other means, how can it ever be P2W? Quote:Sp is generated by 2 things time + usd Actually, that's just one thing: cash, since time is created by cash and cash alone. What you're asking for is that you'll be allowed to spend more cash to make your first cash be worth more than someone else's cash. You're asking for the rules that determine how much time they get out of the deal to be different from the ones that decide how much you get out of yours. Letting people bypass or imbalance rules like that is a very bad thing GÇö so bad that it's often a bannable offence to do so GÇö and adding cash to the mix doesn't make it any better. Quote:Wrong sp are static meaning a vet can only go so far in one field. You're assuming that when I say GÇ£old playersGÇ¥ I mean that they will apply this to their old characters. I don't. They will do that too, off course, and keep that SP gap people keep complaining about constant. But they will also do a much more potent thing, and that is to create special-purpose alts that will quickly top anything the new player can do with his one multi-role character. This means that the new players will not be able to close the gap to old characters, but they will also increasingly lag behind new characters owned by those old players. Again, at best, the new players can maintain a status quo (which makes the idea pointless); at worst, it will give old players more benefits (making the idea work for the exact opposite of its intended purpose). Also, punctuation, please!
Sorry on my iphone makes punctuation and proof reading pretty bad.
How is usd -> plex -> isk not rmt? Real money to in game item.
Regardless of this reimbursing someone for time played or who gets the better deal or it was already there nonsense logic says it's usd for in game items.
Here is an example of pay to win. My win is to be able to plex my account each month by running level 4s; With pay to win Spend $200 on plex and sell them for 7bil. Go to character bazaar, buy tengu pilot, log in, buy a tengu, win game
Alternative w/o paying Spend the next 8 months properly skilling to fly and fit a tengu while grinding l3s to earn enough isk to pay for it once skills are completed. Win game
Option A takes months less time due to external money. That is the very definition of pay to win and very possible and accepted in eve.
So pay to win is not a concern since it's already in the game.
Purchasing an item that doesn't exist in game with real money is the issue here. As i stated sp = time + usd if it was just cash we would not be having this debate. On top of paying cash for your sub you need to wait time to earn the sp so it is a combo of the two. Ccp has made several changes in skills and training times of skills so it's not like we are setting new ground here to ask for a way to pay to lower the time and offset it with more cash.
Let me explain where something like this would be useful to a new player When i first started i signed up via the buddy program and was given 500m as a thank you. I spent the first 2 months afk waiting to be able to fly something capable of doing an l4 since the profits from l1, 2, 3 were just so laughable compared to what i already had in the bank. I would have gladly paid $30 at that point to be able to play weeks sooner. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3212
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:20:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:
How is usd -> plex -> isk not rmt? Real money to in game item. .
How does it convert back into $$$ though?
This has to happen before its RMT
Otherwise you are just paying for the right to access a server and use virtual tools on that server *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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