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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:31:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Source me where it is forbidden in the EULA. EULA. Notice the part where they say you're not allowed to use game-external methods to acquire anything at an accelerated rate compared to normal gameplay?
Quote:Dafuq does this even mean in English? Read the edit. Again: they currently ban people (i.e. ensure that they make less money) who try to accelerate their accumulation ofGǪ wellGǪ anything, really. Doesn't it strike as odd to suggest that it's a good idea for them to make money on letting people accelerate the accumulation of something?
Quote:Yes, typical Tippia circular logic. How so?
Quote:There is no "problem" with the current system. Good. Then there's no need to break it in order to GÇ£solveGÇ¥ a problem that doesn't even exist.
Quote:I support it as an additional PLEX sink, money faucet, and to offer an alternative to players to skill faster, at additional cost, rather than having to wait 10 years of their life. Why? What problem does it solve? Is that solution worth breaking core game mechanics over? Is that solution worth losing players over? Is that solution worth reversing part of the EULA? Is that solution necessary considering what's already available? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:32:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: To "stay competitive"?
You are the one who is fighting the corner of the concept of "winning the game"
Im playing by your rules.
I dont believe that competition is measured in Isk or SPs, but you seem to.
So, how much SHOULD a new player be expected to spend per month in order to, say for example, fly Battleships within two days? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:33:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Everyone will still play under the same rules and the same mechanics. No. The ones who pay will use different rules and mechanics from those who do not. After all, that's the whole point of the suggestion: GÇ£I don't want to use the same mechanics as everyone else GÇö please let me pay to play the game using different rulesGÇ¥.
Quote:Everyone can do that. And everyone can choose not to do it. GǪand GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ remains the most feeble excuse in favour of broken mechanics. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Notice the part where they say you're not allowed to use game-external methods to acquire anything at an accelerated rate compared to normal gameplay?
You managed to drop even further on the intelligence scale.
So uou think a service provided by CCP would be game-external? You must be trolling. Nobody is this stupid. Furthermore, though you fail to understand that clause eefers to third party programs, the issue is alrrady quashed by the precedent of existing SP accelerators in various starter packs.
]Tippia wrote: NWhy? What problem does it solve? Is that solution worth breaking core game mechanics over? Is that solution worth losing players over? Is that solution worth reversing part of the EULA? Is that solution necessary considering what's already available?
There is "no problem" nor does it "solve any problem". Nor does it go against the EULA, of which even the suggestion you have made, has genuinely made me question what is wrong with you.
It merely provides a means for players to expend their PLEX/cash in an additional optional way. Everyone can use it, new and old. There is no unfair advantage to it, beacuse it is open to everyone.
Its just one other way to expend PLEX/cash. You dont "lose" anything as compared to another guy who spends an extra PLEX for a 50-75% boost. You will still get the same net SP, it will just take you a bit longer, but you dont have to PLEX for your net SP either.
Those with money, can buy it. Those with PLEX, can do it that way. Those who dont want to, can just use time instead to reach the same net SP total.
It doesnt create any problems, just another alternative, especially for people who have less time to spare.
Anyone who wants to reach a 10yr account SP total, would have to expend around 150%more PLEX/cash to do so, than someonw who sis it the conventional way. And it would still take them about 7 years to do so.
Nobody "loses".
And please, stop using the word "mechanic" wrong. ------------ |
PrettyMuch Always Right
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:EULA. Notice the part where they say you're not allowed to use game-external methods to acquire anything at an accelerated rate compared to normal gameplay?[/url] Now you're just being absurd. CCP adjusting their game into a new set of mechanics is not an EULA infraction. Tippia wrote:Read the edit. Again: they currently ban people (i.e. ensure that they make less money) who try to accelerate their accumulation ofGǪ wellGǪ anything, really. Doesn't it strike as odd to suggest that it's a good idea for them to make money on letting people accelerate the accumulation of something?[/quote ]They are banning people for breaking the EULA. If you are purchasing PLEX-for-SP through CCP, you are not breaking the EULA. You are confusing yourself by combining two entirely seperate things. Tippia wrote:Good. Then there's no need to break it in order to GǣsolveGǥ a problem that doesn't even exist. This idea is not a fix, this is new content. [quote=Tippia]I support it as an additional PLEX sink, money faucet, and to offer an alternative to players to skill faster, at additional cost, rather than having to wait 10 years of their life. Why? What problem does it solve? Is that solution worth breaking core game mechanics over? Is that solution worth losing players over? Is that solution worth reversing part of the EULA? Is that solution necessary considering what's already available? It's supposed to be something extra (hence ISK sink) to spend your ISK on. I don't think it's needed either, but I also don't think it's trying to fix a problem.
I actually agree with you Tippia. I don't like this idea much either. What I don't agree with is arguing against common logic to make my point, which you kind of have. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:51:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:So uou think a service provided by CCP would be game-external? I sure as hell don't have any Gé¼ or $ in-gameGǪ
So: doesn't it strike you as odd to suggest they earn money on something they're currently willing to ban people over?
Quote:There is "no problem" nor does it "solve any problem". Then it is a worthless idea that has no benefit whatsoever (on top of being fundamentally bad for the game and self-defeating). If it doesn't solve any kind of problem, it is not needed.
Quote:It merely provides a means for players to expend their PLEX/cash in an additional optional way. GǪwhich isn't needed.
Quote:Its just one other way to expend PLEX/cash. GǪwhich isn't needed.
[quote]You dont "lose" anything as compared to another guy who spends an extra PLEX for a 50-75% boost.[/quote}This is just as incorrect as the first time you were wrong about it, and for the same reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:54:00 -
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You dont need a cupholder in your car either, but it is an option, and lack of a cup holder is not a reason not to build a car.
A 50-75% boost for PLEX or cash somewhere between the cost of GTC and PLEX just offers an alternative way to invest it.
This is not a "problem", its a usedul option to those who wish to make use of it. Those who dont, can continue life in their car without a cupholder. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:57:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Y Those who dont, can continue life in their car without a cupholder.
By cupholder, you appear to mean a turbocharged engine adding 250 extra BHP that, if misused will flip the car upside down and explode the occupants
But yeah totally *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:58:00 -
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PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:Now you're just being absurd. CCP adjusting their game into a new set of mechanics is not an EULA infraction. That wasn't the point either. The point is that accelerated acquisition compared to normal gameplay is such a bad thing GÇö in this game as in many others GÇö that they've explicitly put it in the rules that they'd rather not take your money than have it in the game.
Quote:This idea is not a fix, this is new content. It provides zero content. Also, read the OP: it is meant to fix the GÇ£problemGÇ¥ that there is a gulf between old and new players. Of course, it does nothing of the kind GÇö in fact, it does the exact opposite.
Quote:It's supposed to be something extra (hence ISK sink) to spend your ISK on. I don't think it's needed either, but I also don't think it's trying to fix a problem. It doesn't sink any ISK. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Organic Lager wrote:If i don't want to earn isk and buy a plex to sell, have i not skipped the isk generation mechanic? No. The ISK you're getting is generated in the normal way, by spending time collecting it through the regular in-game activities that accrue ISK. You are simply trading your (future) time against time they've spent in the past. PLEX don't create any ISK whatsoever. Quote:If i spend isk to buy a character already loaded with sp, have i not skipped the sp generation mechanic? No. The SP you're getting has been generated in the normal way, by spending time and ISK putting skills into a queue and waiting for them to complete. If you want 6 years worth of SP, it took 6 years to create them. You are also only ever getting old decisions GÇö not new ones. You are trading ISK to be spent in the future against ISK and time that has been spent in the past. The bazaar does not create any SP whatsoever. Quote:The other 2 don't apply because i'm not asking for a new mechanic. Yes you are. You're asking for a mechanic that skips other mechanics GÇö specifically the skill training and attribute mechanics GÇö and to be able to pay for the privilege of not having those mechanics apply to you the way they do to everyone else. The other two apply for the same reason: because they are examples of paying to not have mechanics apply to you the way they do to everyone else. The reason you don't feel that they apply is because the game breaking nature is so readily apparent in them, but fundamentally, it's the exact same kind of game breakage that you're asking for, and what you're asking for is very bad for the exact same reasons why those ideas are bad. Quote:Once again with new and old players it's relative. I don't see how offering a way to speed up sp gives an advantage to one over the other? Because one can take advantage of it and the other cannot. Be it because of lack of knowledge or funding or support structure, new players will only ever be able to GÇ£benefitGÇ¥ in the sense that they maintain the status quo, whereas old players GÇö who don't lack any of those GÇö will be able to push ahead in many new and interesting ways (that break the game).
The second you introduce paying usd for anything non cosmetic in game, you are allowing pay-to-win. In this case the exchange of paying someone else's game time (usd) for in game isk is pay-to-win and if you don't accept that you're clearly being ignorant.
The reason i don't see anything game breaking is because there isn't anything game breaking. No one will be an over night cap pilot, no one gets to fly a battleship on day 2, no characters will devalue, no new skills or items players don't already have are being added. There is nothing here except a pay to accelerate to what players already have, not to mention even at 2x or 3x the skill queues will be months to properly fly anything worthwhile.
I see your point of creating sp for usd but does that really matter? Does it really change anything in game if someone pays for bonus sp rates? I mean they can already trade perviously created sp for isk (usd), why not allow them to pay usd for future created sp? Time is the only factor and really serves no purpose when you are talking about speeding something up from 3 weeks to 1 week.
Still don't see how it benefits old over new players, both would receive the same rate gains. Just because a vet might be able to allocate better in no way prevents a newer player from doing the same. We don't cry about nerfing fittings just because is experience is a bonus. As far as personal finance goes everything in eve is purchasable with enough isk and isk is purchasable through plex, i would say that argument is moot until plex is removed.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:00:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:You dont need a cupholder in your car either, but it is an option, and lack of a cup holder is not a reason not to build a car. Cupholders don't let you drive at 120 MPH through a built-up area.
Quote:This is not a "problem", its a usedul option to those who wish to make use of it. GǪwhich isn't needed.
Quote:Old and new players can make equal use of it. GǪwhich defeats to the point of creating and then inverting the problem it was intended to fix.
Quote:Its not any different in that sense from the existing status quo. GǪexcept for the ability to pay cash to not have game mechanics apply to you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Y Those who dont, can continue life in their car without a cupholder. By cupholder, you appear to mean a turbocharged engine adding 250 extra BHP that, if misused will flip the car upside down and explode the occupants But yeah totally
Its not that kind of P2W though. This isnt WoW. It doesnt supercharge your toons performance.
It just means for an additional expense, your toon trains faster. Other players who dont buy it will get there too, it just takes them a bit longer, and also costs them nothing additional.
Think about this contretely.
Lets say you and I both have 2 PLEXs. You choose to spend those to maintain one toon, and train it 50-75% faster. Whereas I choose to spend mine on maintaining two accounts, with 6 toons total. A third guy instead chooses to spend his by maintaining one account, and parallel training his 2nd toon on that account. A fourth guy decides to sell his for ISK to fund his terrible PvP endevours. Fifth guy uses one to convert to AUR, and maintain his main account with painted ships.
I have no problem with any of the above. Why do you? ------------ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:14:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:The second you introduce paying usd for anything non cosmetic in game, you are allowing pay-to-win. And that's the beauty of the PLEX system: it circumvents that problem by only making it an exchange of time. At no point do you get anything n-game that can't be had without cash GÇö no accelerated gameplay, no skipping of mechanics, no special rules, no GÇ£winGÇ¥ being obtained, nothing.
Quote:The reason i don't see anything game breaking is because there isn't anything game breaking. So you don't consider the fact that normal game mechanics no longer apply to you as something game-breaking? If I suddenly could spawn ISK out of thin air rather than have to interact with NPCs in long-winded ways, that would not break the game? If I suddenly could always warp at will no matter what, that would not break the game? If I suddenly no longer took damage from anything, that would not break the game?
Oh, and suddenly making the rules that regulate how characters progress over time different for those who pay for it would indeed instantly devalue the time spent on building every character in the game.
Quote:I see your point of creating sp for usd but does that really matter? Yes. It matters because all forms of skipping game mechanics are inherently bad for the game GÇö there's a reason why it is normally strictly prohibited in games to the point of having companies bar you from all their games forever.
Quote:Still don't see how it benefits old over new players, both would receive the same rate gains. Because of the reasons I listed: the new players will GÇö with perfect knowledge and equal access to support mechanics such as ISK and attributes and overall investment in the game (none of which they will have, due to being new) GÇö only at best maintain a status quo. For every little detail in which a new players deviates from that perfect scenario, old players will gain an advantage because they can leverage their knowledge, wallets, support structures, etc.
So at best, the GÇ£benefitGÇ¥ a new player gets is that they're exactly where they would be without this idea, making it pointless; at worst, the only people who'd benefit are old players, which would reverse the intended purpose of the idea. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:16:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jallukola wrote:As bafoon as that last paragraph in the OP sounds, I have a worried feeling CCP will not be shooting such proposal down. Reminds me of how Planetside 2 handles its access to competitive gear. I think they learned their lesson with the last time they thought about microtransactions of non-vanity items... Greed is good, right???
Atleast SOE has over the course of the game addressed the issue with very limited amount of Certification Points, and considerably increased the acquired amount, still leaning heavy towards Station Cash. On the upside, so has the starting gear recieved buffs easing the game introduction to new players.
But holy crap this thread. What exactly makes it so difficult to grasp for defenders why this is such a bad call? Oh hey I have an idea! How about, something along lines of GOLD AMMO from WoT, "get DPS boosts for the small price full month's playtime", hmm yes, yes? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:17:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Think about this contretely.
Lets say you and I both have 2 PLEXs. You choose to spend those to maintain one toon, and train it 50-75% faster. Whereas I choose to spend mine on maintaining two accounts, with 6 toons total. A third guy instead chooses to spend his by maintaining one account, and parallel training his 2nd toon on that account. A fourth guy decides to sell his for ISK to fund his terrible PvP endevours. Fifth guy uses one to convert to AUR, and maintain his main account with painted ships.
I have no problem with any of the above. Why do you?
I tend to agree I would prefer the option was PLEX specific, rather than purchaseable by cash. But it really makes very little objective difference. However that might reduce the kneejerk reaction some superficial people have ro any mention of cash transactions.
Because in order to do that a central and defining feature of the game (How quickly one trains skills) has to be modified without me knowing or trying to work out the possible outcomes such a change has on the nature of the game.
I dont make changes to a programme without working out the possible outcomes first
I dont change up a recipe without the same
I dont remove a Jenga block without at least making an educated guess as to why removing that block is a good idea.
Further, Ive already said that giving a new player the ability to train a BS in two weeks is a bad idea. Why? Well because that player will be in that ship with no idea how to operate it and will most likely have a bad time.
There are enough people out there with Tactical Shield Manipulation 5 as it is.
Oh, and it would pretty much make the Character Bizairre and Implants worthless over night. Which in the case of implants means rewriting all the loot tables involving implants.
And why stop at SPs?
Why not have ore available for 80m tons per $5 spent? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:22:00 -
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For Tippia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_mechanics
The game mechanic of SP is not changed.
There are already SP accelerators in starter packs. There are already implants in-game. There are already neural re-maps.
Did you complain like this when the "game mechanic" of only being able to train one character per account, was changed? For that you basically get 200% SP per month, as a sum total, across two characters, instead of only 150% on one toon, as would be the case in this. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:For Tippia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_mechanicsThe game mechanic of SP is not changed. There are already SP accelerators in starter packs. There are already implants in-game. There are already neural re-maps. Did you complain like this when the "game mechanic" of only being able to train one character per account, was changed? For that you basically get 200% SP per month, as a sum total, across two characters, instead of only 150% on one toon, as would be the case in this.
Ill not answer as you said its for Tippia, but I can see around half a dozen mistakes in this post. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ill not answer as you said its for Tippia, but I can see around half a dozen mistakes in this post.
There are none.
Want to discuss it on voice? ------------ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:27:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The game mechanic of SP is not changed. Incorrect.
Quote:There are already SP accelerators in starter packs. There are already implants in-game. There are already neural re-maps. GǪnone of which make the mechanics work differently if you pay extra compared to if you don't.
Quote:Did you complain like this when the "game mechanic" of only being able to train one character per account, was changed? Since the mechanics for acquiring SP on your character didn't change, no. All characters are still subject to the same rules and the same mechanics that determine the acquisition speed.
Quote:For that you basically get 200% SP per month, as a sum total, across two characters, instead of only 150% on one toon, as would be the case in this. GǪand that difference is why the latter breaks the game mechanics and the former does not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:27:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ill not answer as you said its for Tippia, but I can see around half a dozen mistakes in this post. There are none. Want to discuss it on voice?
There are , and no, I have no wish to see your Boners Room ta :) *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:28:00 -
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Quote:Old and new players can make equal use of it. GǪwhich defeats to the point of creating and then inverting the problem it was intended to fix.
Quote:Its not any different in that sense from the existing status quo. GǪexcept for the ability to pay cash to not have game mechanics apply to you.[/quote]
That is the beauty of eve sp, L5 skills mean very little unless they unlock something. Becoming proficient in something only takes a few months. For the most part new players will be able to catch up rather quickly in 1 specific area while vets would only be able to advance more rapidly in other areas.
You can already pay cash to not have sp or isk generation mechanics apply to you through plex. Sure those mechanics applied to someone else but they don't apply to you with the use of external usd. Ccp is still the middle man for such transactions and not to mention we all buy sp each month with our subscriptions already. |
Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: If some guy is pouring twice the amount of PLEX/cash into his accounts as you are, then who deserves the competitive edge?
Congratulations! You have by your own words, described what P2W is all about.
I know my thread about active input was silly, feedback much appreciated, but I don't disregard or dismiss other players in my lines in that thread. It's quite easy thing to ask, as someone with excessive FPS ground, but do you even comprehend what are 3 cornerstones of any multiplayer game?
I'll let you on a secret; They are the netcode, game stability and game balance. The last one, balance is especially important, it is what keeps players in servers and lobbies, it is what makes people feel like they stand a chance.
You need to understand, that for players who Live The Game, the first 2, netcode and stability, are issue that even when badly escalated can be overlooked. Players put up a lot of garbage for the sake of having great matches. But in the end, it's the balance, the sense of being capable of actions, what is everything in the game. |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:29:00 -
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I really CBA to go through this entire thread to see if this has been posted, but a fair while back a bunch of people from FHC played around on the Chinese server because why not?
It was a brand new corp, full of new characters, most of whom were pvping less than 24 hours after being created.
This is their killboard
Probably the funniest kill of all
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:30:00 -
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ITT: Kneejerk reactionists who haven't thought it through.
Shame really. EVE was supposed to have an intelligent community. ------------ |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:31:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is "no problem" nor does it "solve any problem". ... It merely provides a means for players to expend their PLEX/cash in an additional optional way. ... Its just one other way to expend PLEX/cash.
suggestion: ccp sends thugs to your house to mug you. you pay a subcription premium for this service |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:33:00 -
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Guys guys
When will we learn
We are only arguing with Salvos BECAUSE he is so right.
The proof is that he couldnt be wrong if THIS many people wnat to argue with him! *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:33:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:suggestion: ccp sends thugs to your house to mug you. you pay a subcription premium for this service
What? ------------ |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5746
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:34:00 -
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Aren't we lucky that these "brilliant idea" people aren't in charge of game design?
What they never understand it that they can hold the not so smart opinion of a thing (like adding pay to win features to a game that damn near died after some riots and unsubbing when the developers tried to add 'pay to get space blue jeans more expensive than real world ones') precisely because they aren't in charge and lose nothing for having such a dumb idea.
The above is why the features and ideas forum is such a cesspit of insanity. "Brilliant ideas" people aren't the kind of folk who can be honestly critical of their own thoughts. If they could, they'd have never posted their ridicules idea in the 1st place. |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:suggestion: ccp sends thugs to your house to mug you. you pay a subcription premium for this service What? it's just a new plex sink, for ccp to make more money
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Organic Lager wrote:That is the beauty of eve sp, L5 skills mean very little unless they unlock something. Becoming proficient in something only takes a few months. For the most part new players will be able to catch up rather quickly in 1 specific area while vets would only be able to advance more rapidly in other areas. GǪwhich is exactly why the core notion behind this whole idea is wrong-headed: it assumes a problem that doesn't actually exists and suggests a solution that, if anything, creates the supposed problem it tries to solve.
Quote:You can already pay cash to not have sp or isk generation mechanics apply to you through plex. No. PLEX does bypass GÇö or even interact with GÇö either of those mechanics. The SP and ISK generation mechanics work the same and have been applied as normal. Otherwise, you wouldn't have anything to buy. All PLEX does is let you trade your future time for time others have already put in (and at a very bad exchange rate for you). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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