How disassociated and out-of-touch do you have to be to propose a nerf to the Cynabal? Strike 1: Rapid launchersGǪ Strike 2: The Nestor. Strike 3: The pending Rattlesnake, Machariel and Vindicator nerf.

Which of these do you think would make a better cynabal rebalance?

1. Make it a big dramiel with the same bonuses to medium turrets, dropping a turret hardpoint to compensate for dps and dmg application. Add 2 launcher slots, increase agility, +25 drone space.

2. Go with a mwd-bloom reduction bonus on the order of 15-20%. Have the same setup as before with the guns and role bonus, but forgo tracking bonus and extra drones.

PHANTASM

Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret tracking speed

Caldari Cruiser Bonus:
20% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus (was 5% energy turret damage)

Role Bonus:
150% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage (was 100% energy turret damage)

I don't get the PG reduction on the vigilant.

At all times that ship was just a shiney bling ship and was never viable as an pvp platform of any kind.

yes it's got a lot of dps and an extremly powerfull web. but thats it. it can't tank well it's not incredible fast and has no utility. it's an 500mio gank ship. I don't get the nerf there.
more lock range is cool but won't do much.

It competes to a deimos and a proteus both are more flexible and better in most pvp situations. (deimos not much but at least it got good resistance-> which opens up a lot of powerfull setups).

And since when do people think the vigilant is a powerfull ship?

fit a long point and stay out of 14km and kill it with almost everything.

They rolled the 5% damage per level bonus where the AB is now on top of the original 100% dmg bonus, and added 25% more damage on top of that without removing any guns for free without any offset. It's a buff.

VIGILANT

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff

Minmatar Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Stasis Webifier effectiveness

Role Bonus:
75% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage


Slot layout: 5H, 4M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1050 PWG(-150), 360 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2175 / 2500(+175) / 2625
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 1545 / 490000 (-1250) / 3.15
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 242(+36) / .48 / 9830000 / 6.54s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 49km(+14km) / 300 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 130

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CYNABAL

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff

Minmatar Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage

Role Bonus:
25% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire


Slot layout: 5H, 5M, 5L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 820 PWG(-280), 335 CPU(-15)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2330 / 2300(-25) / 2065
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 1415 / 490000(-1250) / 2.88
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 263(+6) / .45(-.0045) / 9047000(+200000) / 5.64s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 47km(+2km) / 390(-33) / 7
Sensor strength: 18(+2)
Signature radius: 115(+5)

Look forward to hearing from you o/

And Naomi misses the point again.

Apparently it's "Grr, Blasters!" in here tonight. Yeah, it can deal about a thousand. But when you say things like "has no problem applying it", that's just bullshit.

Range is part of damage application. It's got, what? 2.5km optimal, *maybe* 8km falloff?

Stop being such an EFT warrior, and look at the ship in the game, with real scenarios, not on paper.

And Naomi misses the point again.

Apparently it's "Grr, Blasters!" in here tonight. Yeah, it can deal about a thousand. But when you say things like "has no problem applying it", that's just bullshit.

Range is part of damage application. It's got, what? 2.5km optimal, *maybe* 8km falloff?

Stop being such an EFT warrior, and look at the ship in the game, with real scenarios, not on paper.

Actually i undock ships. Sorry but i do. And not to fight asteroids on belts.

Real scenario tells me vigilant got no problem to get into 2.5km optimal in no time.

Also i had pleasure to fight linked Rail Vigilants - oh trust me it's real pleasure. We are not speaking about 2.5km range now.

I fully support your statement that "Range is part of damage application" - and there is no better cruiser in game to dictate range than Vigilant. Yes even poor recons are outclassed in thier own stuff by this "ship without utility". Thanks for actually supporting my claims.

And even with blasters - it actually does not have that horrible range - especially with null (still not bad dps on top of that ) . It's not like it does not have falloff bonus. But why use null when you can void your opponent into oblivion after rendering it immobile.

It's not complaining about blasters. Blasters are ok for what they do. But once you make blaster dps unavoidable ... then we got some problem.


And you know what ? I don't even mind if vigilant stays completly how it is now ... i mind other thing - that people like you think it's not broken op. Because at the end of the day - i can just fly my own vigilant and enjoy broken opness. Point is i would love to see some sort of sane balance in this game.

4. not incredible fast ? Not slow either. With 2x 90% webs you should not have problem to dictate range vs even fastest ships in this game. And it's getting faster in this rebalance ....

The Guristas line are the only shield tanked drone boats...why are you doing this experimental "specific drones only" nerfing to them, when there are several armor drone boats to do it to that still leave people with some choices?

Assuming you start in range of webs. If you don't, all that percentage means nothing, a Stabber will tear it apart piece by piece, orbiting outside its web range. That's what Serpentis is about - in-your-face, blaster wielding short range overlords. However, have it face a kiting ship and they'll have a big problem.

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Vigilant:

Gallente Cruiser: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage

Minmatar Cruiser: 7,5% bonus to Stasis Webifier range and effectivness

Role bonus: 100% bonus to Heavy Drone hitpoints and damage

You know there are multiple form of stacking penalties and there is a max-percentage scaling as well that enables two 90% webs to not reduce your speed that indefinitely?

Its not a shame the Gila cant use sentries, that's what an Ishtar is for. Train for one.

At least you were right about the Cynabal.

If you can't get a vigi into web range of a stabber you are terrible and should not be flying the ship.

If you can't get a vigi into web range of a stabber you are terrible and should not be flying the ship.

What he said ... Like it's 18.2 web range without links. And lets of course assume vigilant is not rail. Let's assume also stabber will break Vigilant tank before it will run out of cap with mwding around. Of course it will break it's tank with massive dps from barrage from 20km and more (because under 20km ... you know what happens).

And you guys tell me i speak from EFT perspective. Actually i did fight vigilant in my stabber more than once. He webbed me easily from 20km + he was also rail fit in first place.

But i bet you can show me tons of killmails of vigilants who have fallen to your mighty solo stabbers.

Edit . Indeed mighty pvpers we got there who avoid 20km + webs with 24km point stabber easily breaking vigilant 50k ehp. Of course with mighty barrage and without running out of cap for mwd. hell i'm so bad at this game.
If you told me it was Cyna with faction point i could even buy this bullshit , but that simply made me laugh - thank you for this ;).

Nerf the bloody web bones like you did with the bloody Kronos (which I also Sold) but for gods sake leave that PG alone.

Assuming you start in range of webs. If you don't, all that percentage means nothing, a Stabber will tear it apart piece by piece, orbiting outside its web range. That's what Serpentis is about - in-your-face, blaster wielding short range overlords. However, have it face a kiting ship and they'll have a big problem.

Of the above ships, do you know which one I think will be the most powerful? Gila. Don't believe me? Let's talk again in a few months.

18.2km?? the best you can fit is 15km