Going to give these a few days and hopefully post the BS near the end of the week.

Cynabal nerf is pretty big, this isnt "keeping it the same" at all.
It's losing 1/4 of its powergrid.

Cynabal nerf is pretty big, this isnt "keeping it the same" at all.
It's losing 1/4 of its powergrid.

Hey nice rollerskates under your argument there, you say it makes smaller shipo irrelevant and I name you 5 smaller ships that aren't irrelevant and you change the direction of the argument to some absurd crap.

You can probably do better than that, try sticking to one thread of your argument at a time, you were saying something about making smaller ships irrelevant?

Hi Rise/Fozzie. I feel like the Cynabal overlaps far too much with the current Vagabond which currently is better in a lot of ways over the Cynabal and is generally superior. The Cynabal only offers better agility and a slightly better drone bay for all-around poorer performance. The extra mid does add some options but the vagabonds T2 resistances give a better performance than a 3rd tank items does from the Cynabal and the vagabonds shield boost bonus makes it the superior brawler. The vagabond has far better cap stability, t2 resists which help a lot for local/remote reps, better targeting stats and a powerful local rep bonus.

The cynabal only has a slight fitting advantage over the Vagabond if the Vagabond and Cynabal are both fitting 425mm Autocannons, otherwise, it's inferior. And that slight grid advantage doesn't allow you to offset the disadvantages.

I think the Cynabal needs to find a new niche;

The Vigilant bonus was a typo, it's fixed now: MEDIUM hybrid.

The Gila bonus is not a typo, 500%.

fairly sure I said with the exception of interceptors and long range ewar ships

lmao all these people thinking the cynabal is OP or even viable. Jesus it's like eve-o's knowledge of the metagame is perpetually stuck 3 years behind the curve.

I bet you guys still think the hurricane is overpowered

If you're looking for some unique flavor...

The Gila needs at least a 50% bonus to Medium EWar and Combat Utility drone effects. Actually, with the Guristas, a 500% bonus to ECM drone effects wouldn't be out of character, but I suspect that would be way too much for some people. A wing of Vespa EC-600s with a 500% bonus would be like getting hit by two multispectrum jammers on a Blackbird with a Max Skilled pilot.

Please explain to me why a ship whose role includes drone damage requires a bonus to ewar drones. You have ten seconds.

Why shouldn't you have the same EC-300s/600s as other ships

If you'll notice I have what you said quoted

phantasm could definitely do with a full set of lights too deal with frigs and it will need a neut so .. more pg and cap is needed really ... reduce the sig radius a little more would be good so it doesn't end up at 200 sig with extenders... maybe exchange some armour ... they are meant too be shield tanked anyway..

phantasm could definitely do with a full set of lights too deal with frigs and it will need a neut so .. more pg and cap is needed really ... reduce the sig radius a little more would be good so it doesn't end up at 200 sig with extenders... maybe exchange some armour ... they are meant too be shield tanked anyway..

@ Medalyn Isis

I'm afraid you need to understand that Sansha nation ship is not Caldari ship , aswell it is not Amarr ship at same time. It's Sansha nation vessel.

Even more if dip into Sansha lore - they do consist members from all 4 major factions - so ship design could also import ideas from entire New Eden.

No concept is invalid for Sansha in this case.

Sorry ... i would hate devs if they would give it something stupid like TD bonus or shield resist bonus (even tho this one is powerful). I love the ... unique bonus on Sansha lineup. Now NOONE does the same thing. Which is nice - we got faction that does it own stuff. Not like Cyna for example ... Yeah looks great ... is not bad. But at the same time it is just pimped minmatar ship.
Phantasm just won over cyna ... instead of being happy about that - you complain.

A good suggestion was to make the Sansha ships have a 250% web range role bonus. I would have much preferred that and then keep them as strong laser shield ships which can web to improve their tracking at long ranges.

They aren't going to do that. The whole point seems to be that the ship is mismatched. That is why it appears powerful on paper, because you are going to have to contend with all of the contradictions in its fittings, stats, and bonuses.

For instance it appears like it is meant to go super fast, yet it cannot track when it does. And it appears as though it is meant to be shield tanked, although its sig rockets when it is countering the speed benefit. It appears as though it could be armour tanked, yet the base shield is substantially higher.

I think I can see what CCP Rise is doing, as this seems his style. It is kind of interesting, but the concept seems to be purposefully messy, and in practice it will be a lot weaker than it appears on paper.

Because its a drone ship without the slot penalty

So basically fly an Ishtar

More like long live rattlesnake ! With Ogres of course ;)).