No what I am saying is that you have 25km less range and time to shoot them in and if you fail, it is harder and takes longer to kill them, If you are overwhelmed and you MJD away, then you have to wait for 25*10 seconds (over two minutes) burning towards them , before you can reengage them with your sentries.

Of course you can kill them eventually, but it's Not exactly improving gameplay is it?

In my opinion
RS should have the same 275% bonus to all drones not just heavy and sentry drones
Gila should have the same 500% bonus not just to medium but to light drones as well

In my opinion
RS should have the same 275% bonus to all drones not just heavy and sentry drones
Gila should have the same 500% bonus not just to medium but to light drones as well

So we can complain about the turrets on the rendering of a Machariel not being balanced, but we can't complain that the RS is still a gimp when compared to the other pirate BS's?
It really sucks being the black sheep of Eve...

go back to highsec, missiles are fine and rattlesnake will do ridiculous damage

So with all the mids, Rigs and lows, being full of damage mods, TP and omnis to get this ridiculous damage it better not leave Jita 4-4 then.

The damage levels and application with a sane fit, are quite reasonable. The range application has been gimped, solve that there. Is a good ship to be proud of.

+87.5% missile damage, -missile velocity bonus

Remember the damage is not 100% applied

-25km range.
-2.5 effective medium drones.
-2.5 effective light drones.
- 3 heavy ECM drones plus bonus.
-3 heavy repair drones plus bonus.
Torpedoes no longer viable (if anyone ever used them)

all of that is stupid. damage bonused cruise missiles are better in every way than range bonused torpedoes, and torpedoes are terrible anyway. lol @ ecm and repair drones.

If you are going to quote do not ignore the most important phrase

"The rest apart from the 25km range loss is dealable with, part of the quid pro quo."

I think the SoE ships should get the Guristas drone bonuses and we should just make the Gursitas Pirate line missile-based and be done with it. As the only remaining drone-based ship, the Nestor might actually have some appeal.

RATTLESNAKE
Gallente Battleship Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage
Caldari Battleship Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 25% missile rate of fire

Slot layout: 7H(+1), 7M, 5L(-1); 0 turrets, 6 launchers(+2)
Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12750 / 8940(-358) / 9960
Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 94 / .128 / 99300000 / 18.45s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 75(-325)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 30
Signature radius: 450(-10)

So we can complain about the turrets on the rendering of a Machariel not being balanced, but we can't complain that the RS is still a gimp when compared to the other pirate BS's?

Can fit cover ops cloaking devices

then its just a scorp navy issue....

So i am wondering how Raven pilots with 5 unbonused light drones and no DDA's (unlike the 2-3 that will be on most RS) cope with these frigates of doom? I guess they all die every mission and the pilots just keep replacing them.

For the love of all the gods stop complaining about the amazing RS buff already. Unless you really think the extra 2-300 dps is going to slow down your damn missions/anoms. A few seconds longer maybe to kill 1-2 frigs that got close whilst shaving multiple minutes off your completion times.

And as for the linear thinking regarding the MJD. Your maths teacher called and apologises for forgetting to tell you about Pythagoras.
Here is a handy link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem

Reading these balance threads makes me dispair of humanity.

Shooting with the Machariel now is going to feel like walking with one shoe on.

it's actually about an 80km range loss, but you still shouldn't care about it. if you're going to play spaceships, don't be terrible at spaceships.

No a T2 dla is 25km range loss.
That equates to 80km max range skill.
I will not reply to the insult part.

*stuff*

drone range? I thought we were talking about missile range. what sort of laughable rattlesnake are you running that has 2 drone link augs?

One that uses drones? Or are you fitting a drone boat for missile damage currently? It is not the best ship for you if your drone skills are weaker than your missile skills.

The rattlesnake is a hybrid with an emphasis on drones, If the drone control range is given a 25km bonus, then there is a valid choice to fit for either drone damage as the primary system or missiles as the primary system.

A choice.

Choice is good.

drone range? I thought we were talking about missile range. what sort of laughable rattlesnake are you running that has 2 drone link augs?

Surely I can't be the only one sick of drones? The last 6 months have been drones, drones and more drones in one form or another. We get 3 new drone-based ships... a drone module update... a complete drone overhaul (pending)... new mid and low drone modules (pending)... and now 3 more re-designed drone-based ships (also pending). F**k drones already...

The one that can shoot after making a mjd jump? Not everyone stays in the middle of a sanctum , FYI .

Btw - as it is the current version is very viable for PVE in null . Not so as a mission runner and even less in pvp .

Surely I can't be the only one sick of drones? The last 6 months have been drones, drones and more drones in one form or another. We get 3 new drone-based ships... a drone module update... a complete drone overhaul (pending)... new mid and low drone modules (pending)... and now 3 more re-designed drone-based ships (also pending). F**k drones already...

So what are you saying, that 5 unbonused light drones are suddenly unable to deal with a few frigates?

I think the SoE ships should get the Guristas drone bonuses and we should just make the Gursitas Pirate line missile-based and be done with it. As the only remaining drone-based ship, the Nestor might actually have some appeal.