I'm bad at writing...

What i was asking for is if it would be possible to batch jobs from multiple BPCs, because actually some BPOs have too few max runs on their BPCs (see Capital parts BPOs), some invented T2 BPCs (E.G.: 8 runs T2 small rig job completion time is 20h at a POS array currently) have similar "tendencies" of forcing you to log multiple times a day to "click" if you want to manifacture from them.

Here you go. There are about 200 systems that match those criteria, or, more relevantly, 289 stations.

You can react more rapidly to changing market conditions and go direct to manufacture rather than having to maintain a constant backlog of BPCs.

Tippia, if it isn't too much trouble, can you run the same query for stations & outposts (or whatever was in your first query) that have manufacturing facilities? I'm looking to see ratio of lab services to manu services, and how the regions compare.

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Although I agree, in a way, having people research BPO's to ME 100 when only ME 10 was necessary, was a kind of tax on stupidity which I approved of.

Alright, there is only one thing about the changes that I really don't like

Bpos should be better than bpcs. Maybe only a few percent. But there should some kind reward for building from a bpo in a pos.

For small stuff the improvement is already there. Building from a bpo essentially means less effort. But for bigger stuff that changes rather quickly.

If it's perfect currently, it'll be perfect after the change without further research. ME4 currently gives you an 8% waste reduction, so it'll be converted to ME 8% in the new system. If it was effectively perfect at ME4 before, it'll be effectively perfect at ME 8% after.

Am I explaining this clearly enough?

You can react more rapidly to changing market conditions and go direct to manufacture rather than having to maintain a constant backlog of BPCs.

They will have to copy at a NPC station to reduce the risk, which means that the copy speed limits their production.

So far we have no indication that copy speed is getting bonuses anywhere, Pos or other wise

I ask you again, how many do you have?

Having a big backlog of bpcs enables faster reaction to a changing market.

Bpos only make things easier to maintain. That's fine for ammo and t1 modules which are usually cheap and don't need much research anyway. You can easily justify putting these in a pos for the benefit.

but it's not so fine for battlecruisers and anything bigger. Those bpos will never see a pos after undergoing research. And even the research part will likely take place in an outpost.

I want to see pos being killed for the bpos they contain.

Unfortunately no, we aren't quite at that point yet. We'd have to have a separate DB type for every combination of ME and TE research, which proliferates our blueprint count rather badly (ie 100x more blueprints).

Quick question:

How long will it take to create 20 max run copies of an Expanded Cargohold I?

Right now, it's about 100 hours.

To fully manufacture that, (at PL 0), that's around 800 hours to manufacture.

I assume you're not going to screw the the numbers to increase the copy time here? As that would destroy invention.

No - so what will happen if I invent further to ME 10%, no more changes?
Since there is no more waste ME 0% is base so very ME level means less material consumption, so there must be a different between 8% and 10%.

No scaling costs is probably enough, no?

That is the whole point of T2 invention. Suck it up and make a more efficient production chain that you can effectively manage. I don't think industry needs to be dumbed down even further to the lowest denominators.

T2 BPO's can stay, why not? They just shouldn't be able to have a monopoly on any particular market. The tricky way is to nerf their output until they hold value but invention utterly overshadows them in all cases. The easy way is to at least not buff them.

My production chain is as efficient as it can be given my log times, the point is that the actual bottleneck are log times, due to how the current and the next ui handle things.

Should it be the UI and log times the real bottleneck? or should it be your ability to promplty get supplies to keep your lines fed?

Must i log every hour to reque my invention jobs or should i be able to say "Here's the materials needed for 24 hours of invention, just cycle it 24 times on your own"?

This should be true for the BPCs too, E.G.: Capital Parts BPCs: the problem with the 5 runs BPCs is that they force you to log each 8 hours or so only to submit the Jobs, this doesn't create content or interaction, is just you fighting vs the UI; one solution would be to raise the max number of copies on the Capital Parts BPCs, or you could get at the root of the problem and enable a batching sistem for manufacturing and Invention....

That is what i wanted to convey in the previous posts

Also, still not positive I like T2 BPOs having the reduction in copy times. This will open up copies as a market, which then will negatively affect invention. I'd like to see more numbers on this wrt specific T2 BPOs still out there and for what items.

Having read through the thread I now have a few comments.
Firstly, 95% nice changes. Complexity simply for complexities sake is a bad thing and the ME changes are a good simplification without loosing significant effect.

Secondly, Research credit. Please no. If you implement this it will be abused by large scale groups to do things like gain perfect titan BPO's by pooling all their credit from smaller BPO's from multiple people. A few people may loose some actual effort as a result of this change. HTFU. It's not the end of the world and you got to benefit from that all the way along anyway. (I loose some time on some of my BPO's myself like this, I'll live)

Thirdly, T2 BPO's, I do think now is the time to look at removing them. Every change to industry requires taking special steps just for them, they are a poorly thought out grandfathering from the early days, and people need to acknowledge that. The copy change may also be only an extra 6.25%, but you are looking at the wrong statistic on the market when you consider them. Currently you look at market share and say 'But it's a low market share'. Instead consider profit share. The Inventors will be cutting very slim margins of a few percent above simply selling all the components. Meaning that for every 10 Invented items, they get the profit of 1 BPO item probably. Which means that the actual profit share of T2 BPO's is vastly greater than their market share would indicate. Even a 5% market share could be as high as a 50% profit share.