They really should have kept covert ops cloaks still usable in plex sites.

If farmers are willing to put a T2 ship on the line to farm, I can do the same to catch them. And doing sites in stealth bombers will be much harder now with the rep buffs.





What I'm really looking forward to is CCP not just giving us this one patch, and calling quits on FW for a year. I really hope they continue to release small patches/tweaks every 2-3 months.

Actually the warp-in beacon is a Large Collidable Object called "Beacon". The other beacon called "Faction Size Outpost" or whatever is the one currently colocated with the button. This allows them to adjust the size of the cloak exclusion zone while keeping the capture radius of the button the same.

Add LCOs to your overview and you'll be able to see the warpin beacon on your overview again.

So people can still sit cloaked within 30km from the actual outpost?

Yes, but that would put you between 30 and 60km from the warp-in beacon.

PLEASE CCP

When are you going to reduce this stupid amount of respawns in plexes?


7 spawns in a Small Outpost is ridicious.
2 or 3 spawns is more then enough.
The new NPC's were implemented to do a dps check so stabbed frigates cant run them anymore, but as it is now
You need to bring thousands of rounds of ammo.

This change is over the top.

These new spawn rates are a little off the mark. As a brawler, I have to be sitting on the warp in to make sure I even have a chance to catch a kiter as they come in; however, every time there is a spawn the rat spawns 10km from the warp-in (i.e. near the button) and then tries to stay about 11km away from you. I'm constantly being pulled 15km+ off the warp-in to kill the rat quickly, then I have to AB back to the warp-in and rinse and repeat less than 2mins later...

In addition to the number of spawns, the amount of incoming DPS from the rats is also a little crazy. If you're going to be forcing 7-8 spawns every plex, then the incoming DPS needs to be cut down by at least half. The number of rats are seriously starting to affect PvP in a negative way. Many of the losmails from my corpmates are showing 25-33% damage taken from the rats, and there's a spawn almost always right before or right at the start of a fight, and it's game changing in a fight where you usually win by a slim margin. I was under the impression that these rats were not supposed to interfere with PvP


Also, the cloak blocking is pointless. The bots are still cloaking in sites. Now the bot hunters (since CCP does **** all for banning bots anyways) have no tools to actually catch the bots. As I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, my recons are completely useless in plex fighting and solo hunting real pvp ships due to the enormous range restrictions. Again, a silly change that is just breaking FW even more. Give us our COVERT CLOAKS back!!!!!!!

When CCP will allow Covert Cloaking in plexes, all you will see is stealth bombers running plexes. is that what you want?

Stealth bombers are squishy and aren't that cheap.
I would be ok with it.

Just went to good old fw lowsec and got a good laugh.
Like I said: Everyone defplexs with bots like mad and offensive plexing stabbed catalyst bots everywhere while peeps triplebox bombers in fw misions. Mad mad mad mad mad....
Defplexing is so easy that offplexing against it is almost impossible. Seems this is the end with back and forth of tiers.
Republic Fleet Firetails for 2mil in few months? They are already at 7mil... lol
CCP somehow doesn-¦t get it managed. Rofl.

Yes, they didnt balance it very well.

Offensive plexing takes 2 times as long now + a shitload of ammo and you have to kill 7-8 ships in a small.
While Defensive plexing at Tier 4 is then more profitable and easier.

Please reduce the respawning in plexes 2-3 instead of 7-8.
This many spawns is interfering with pvp and you need insane amounts of ammo.

Sure you will....
And everybody else would be whining about bots that cloak up as soon as you land at the acceleration gate.

Yun, your Recon ships can only get in mediums, so nothing much is lost.
There are 3 more plex-sizes, you can still get your Recon cloaked at the Larges,
and in the novice and small you couldnt get it in anyway.


Changes were fine except for the ridicilous amount of respawns....


Reduce Respawns please CCP....

The plex changes have lead to a well documented and substantial decrease in pvp. But why?

In the past if I am in say a t1 frigate i might be willing to fight afs or destroyers or even a cruiser. Now however if I try to go into an enemy plex that those other ships are allowed to go in I will have an unkillable mwding rat forever doing extra damage to me. No thanks.

I think the solution is to have the rats not aggro you until you aggro them. That way these changes will still reduce farming (because you have to kill the rat for the timer to run) but not ruin the pvp.

Warzone control is at a stalemate now.

We took Heydieles a couple weeks ago. It took LESS time than in previous offensives because more plexes are now available.

What's not flipping as quickly (if at all) are the far off backwater systems with less time zone coverage. But they can be flipped pretty easily if you have 3-6 guys coordinate across a few timezones. Squids did it in Mantenault and Okagaiken.

The benefits to this updated version of FW is that a small group of players can now colonize a nearly empty part of the map and live there without fear of farmers pushing them out. This is not a bad thing.

Or another idea is: make the NPC neutral and call them Guardians. and make that you have to shoot them for offensive AND defensive plexing..

LOL, call them "UN Observers" - or "Sisters of Eve Observers."

....Having to kill 7 NPC totally unbalances Offensive Plexing vs Defensive Plexing.
Look at the FW sov changes.
It is too hard to do offensive now and it is too easy to defensive plexing.
Warzone control is at a stalemate now.

Defensive Plexing at Tier 4 (like Minmatar is now) is more profitable and easier then Offensive at Tier 2.

this means no one is gonna bother doing offensive anymore and will completely stop fighting over systems.
The lucky ones are the ones that have the most systems at the moment and it will probably stay that way. Although the LP is getting useless since Minmater can easily make 1 bill per hour running lvl 4 missions in a stealtbomber.
Missions are too easy and Offensive is too hard....

I am not sure this will be unbalanced. If I recall the defensive plexing = the amount you would get at that tier if you were offensive plexing * 75%* the amount the system is contested. So People will get very little lp for defensive plexing a system down to 0%. Offensive plexing should eventually wear down the defensive plexers. (this is how I think it used to be unless ccp changed it)

Plus, as you said, the missions work to devalue the lp and are much more lucrative than defensive plexing. Since they don't effect occupancy it works to balance things.



My issue just has to do with the pvp. Its not fun to take a fight with an unkillable mwding rat constantly shooting you. Thats why I think if you don't aggro the rat it shouldn't shoot you.

Well, like Aiphona said, if you make the NPC neutral plex-defenders that you have to shoot for both Offensive AND Defensive, then you can make the LP reward for Defensive pretty much the same, wich will make defending much more interesting.
And that will create more fighting over systems.
The only reason Defensive LP is so low because it was too easy to do.
This solution will solve that, since there will be no longer an advantage.

The only reason Defensive LP is so low because it was too easy to do.
This solution will solve that, since there will be no longer an advantage.