We have seen a lot of work done to ensure that perceived 'mining bots' have been reduced or removed entirely by a sustained campaign of AFK cloaking camps in null and suicide gankers in highsec. These benevolent efforts have gone a long way towards ensuring the players who actually play the game are not ripped off by those who use more nefarious means (botting / automation)

However we still lack adequate means / efforts to reduce the impact upon the economy made by ratting bots. How can it be fair to the people who actually play the game to have their profits reduced by those who afk farm rat belts and anoms afk for 23 hours every day.

So i have a proposal for tackling the issue. Alongside the proposed reduction in rat drops of refinable loots we also lower the bounties of rats found in belts and anomalies as well as removing any chance or seriously reducing the chance of faction spawns in said belts and anomalys. 'But this isnt fair'!, i hear you cry.

In order to compensate the players who live in null and rightfully deserve an increased profit for thier time in game; we move the faction spawns into scannable plex's and increase the bounties on the ordinary rats in said plex's We also increase the drop rate of valuable modules from scannable plex's

All of these outlined proposals would not only 'cut off the oxygen' of the botters so to speak. But will also ensure that those players who actually play the game get maximised profits for their hard work and for their loots.


Discuss.

(p.s. sorry for poor spelling and or grammar.)

90 mil/hr is the most you will get out of anoms with a bling boat. High sec missions beats that, hence why when we tell GSF pilots how to make isk for cap ships most of the advice is to take advantage of high sec.

According to this years presentation the Forge and Lonetrek once again dwarf everywhere else for combat bots and mining bots.

2. Disallow any 3rd party apps, currently there is some 3rd party app, I forgot the name, that the bots use to let them synchronize multiple clients and run simoultaneously. If CCP changed TOS / EULA to specifically disallow it then implimented tools to check for this, bots would die.

4. Change SOV mechanics, so that botting content pays out less, lets say make it worth 50% of what high sec equivalent lvl missions pay out, risk vs reward doesn't matter, since actually, ratting in high sec is more risky then ratting in goon space anyways.

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I play only 3 months, and am not sure what you're smokin'

But who are the player behind all those bots? That's what I want to know.

This "proof" is a load of ****. If you are only making 69 mil isk per hour ratting anoms in nullsec, you either 1) suck or 2) dont know how to rat. Please have someone with "skills" and knows how to "iskperhour" do it. Then go to Highsec and run LVL 4 missions and compare the two. Your "proof" will be a joke, like everyone knows it is.

kaarous...you should not bother replying to anything I post as you have been blocked for a while now. I seen you replied from one of my other accounts, but not to worry that has be rectified as well.

You sir have been weighed and measured and found to be a troll.

Ahahahahahahahaha the irony meter exploded from this post.

We have seen a lot of work done to ensure that perceived 'mining bots' have been reduced or removed entirely by a sustained campaign of AFK cloaking camps in null and suicide gankers in highsec. These benevolent efforts have gone a long way towards ensuring the players who actually play the game are not ripped off by those who use more nefarious means (botting / automation)

However we still lack adequate means / efforts to reduce the impact upon the economy made by ratting bots. How can it be fair to the people who actually play the game to have their profits reduced by those who afk farm rat belts and anoms afk for 23 hours every day.

So i have a proposal for tackling the issue. Alongside the proposed reduction in rat drops of refinable loots we also lower the bounties of rats found in belts and anomalies as well as removing any chance or seriously reducing the chance of faction spawns in said belts and anomalys. 'But this isnt fair'!, i hear you cry.

In order to compensate the players who live in null and rightfully deserve an increased profit for thier time in game; we move the faction spawns into scannable plex's and increase the bounties on the ordinary rats in said plex's We also increase the drop rate of valuable modules from scannable plex's

All of these outlined proposals would not only 'cut off the oxygen' of the botters so to speak. But will also ensure that those players who actually play the game get maximised profits for their hard work and for their loots.


Discuss.

(p.s. sorry for poor spelling and or grammar.)

I know, right? I tried to reply, but I couldn't think of anything to say that wasn't just laughter.

I thought of something but, its a long shot:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4603364#post4603364

One simple question: Prince Kobol, La Nariz, why the hell are you guys defending botting in null sec?

I would say that they're not, they're merely pointing out that nullsec botting is far, far less of a systemic problem than highsec botting.

Highsec botting is there, it's real, and it's been developer acknowledged to be the primary problem, with more bots than every other area of space combined.

One simple question: Prince Kobol, La Nariz, why the hell are you guys defending botting in null sec?

We're not, we're counter the factionalism and ignorance in this thread was basically an excuse to whine about nullsec instead of being solely against botting. Many people are angry that the CFC is successful and want to shout about wild RMT conspiracies in order to discredit us for whatever perceived slight they attribute to us.

Where did the OP say anything about the CFC?

Literally the second post starts it. The OP implies that the highsec botting is controlled but, nullsec botting is not.

Both of those statements are just attempting to argue that botting either doesn't happen in null or, if it does happen, CCP's actions against null sec botters should be secondary to punishing botters in high sec.

The OP didn't mention anything about highsec botting being controlled, rather only stating(though he didn't clarify that it was merely his opinion) that mining bots were on their way to being controlled or eliminated. He even goes so far as to mention both null sec and high sec in his statement. As for Doc Fury's post, if you can somehow connect the blue doughnut to RMT conspiracies... well I don't know what to suggest about that, because that is one hell of a stretch. I still haven't seen you guys come out against botting in null sec though.

We have seen a lot of work done to ensure that perceived 'mining bots' have been reduced or removed entirely by a sustained campaign of AFK cloaking camps in null and suicide gankers in highsec. These benevolent efforts have gone a long way towards ensuring the players who actually play the game are not ripped off by those who use more nefarious means (botting / automation)

However we still lack adequate means / efforts to reduce the impact upon the economy made by ratting bots. How can it be fair to the people who actually play the game to have their profits reduced by those who afk farm rat belts and anoms afk for 23 hours every day...

Ratting only takes place in nullsec while suicide ganking only takes place in highsec. It states mining bots are "reduced or removed entirely." It completely ignores mission running bots which would be highsec bots and singles out ratting bots which would be nullsec bots. It also ignores what I would argue is the most significant bot, the market bot, another mostly highsec bot. This single-minded focus on a nullsec bot over all of the other kind out there leaves the implication that nullsec botting is out of control while highsec botting is controlled.

The above combined with the dinsdale post and the blue doughnut literally being in the second post already promotes the ignorance, hatred of success, and factionalism many of us are posting against.

Not in the slightest.

Both of those statements are a rejection of the OP's premise.

Botting, anywhere, is bad.

But most botting happens in highsec. More botting than anywhere else in the game combined, in fact. So let's get a handle on that first, hmm?

So you're argument is that it's worse in high sec, so botting is all good in null sec? I guess I'm just not understanding your argument. You keep talking about the "ignorance, hatred of success, and factionalism(which is something that is really confusing to me. what contentious minority are you talking about?)" and yet the only example you've give is Doc's comment about the blue doughnut and Dinsdale. Doc's comment about the blue doughnut is something I still cannot connect to any of those three things you're so adamantly opposed to, and Dinsdale is a great example of his own ignorance and hatred, but not such a great example of anybody else. The part of the paragraph you emphasized is clearly pertaining to the part of the paragraph you didn't emphasize, where the OP clearly states he's talking about his perception that mining bots have been reduced in number and efficacy due to AFK cloaking in null and suiding ganking in high sec. Furthermore, you're still arguing that because botting takes place more often in high sec, null sec should be left alone. I didn't see any place in his post where it said that botting in high sec should be ignored while botting in null sec should be focused upon, while your posts are full of deflections about how it's "worse in high sec." And you still haven't come out against botting in null sec.

Why would you ignore botting in null sec just because it happens more often in high sec? Why not get a handle on botting no matter where it occurs. And the statements you didn't quote are a great example of deflection. Arguing that "it happens more in high sec" is a deflection, a means of arguing that because it's worse "there" it should be focused upon to the exclusion of other areas.

Where are these comments that are "dogwhistle" language? I see Dinsdale's typical conspiracy crafting, and Jaun Pecht-Feng who I've seen before, but never paid any attention to. Other than that, I don't see anything that talks about "nullsec RMT doughnut cartels" except your posts. I don't care where botting occurs, it should be punished immediately with a full IP ban as well as a block placed on the credit card or whatever kind of monetary account used to purchase the game. I don't see it as some kind of anti-CFC conspiracy to target botters in null sec, just like I don't see it as some kind of pro-CFC conspiracy to target them in high sec. Just because mining happens in high sec, doesn't mean botting doesn't happen in null. Perhaps you should stop seeing everything as "us vs. them" and instead see the fact that botting is a huge problem in this game, and should be stomped out where ever it occurs. Your argument that because this one guy made a suggestion on how to counter bots in null sec it means that there is some kind of systemic issue where people think botting no longer occurs in high sec is childish and rather paranoid. A suggestion on how to combat botting in null sec can be made without also making a suggestion to deal with botting in high sec, and there is no super secret level 8 decoder ring lone ranger language that somehow translates the OP's suggestion on how to deal with botting in a very specific part of EvE that translates it into an attack on the CFC.