I've already said it before, you refer to a "certain alliance," goonspiracy at its finest. 100 units to spend combating botting (70:10:10:10) (high:low:null:wh) number of bots in each sec area (7000:1000:1000:1000). Hmm would it be better to spend the same amount in each area and allow more bots to exist or spend proportional to each area and ensure the most amount of bots get handled. Again you seem to think that efficiently using resources = supporting nullsec botting.

Goonspiratic bias, limited resources, and/or maximum efficiency.

Answer this question for me, does CCP have infinite resources?

I raise you with this

he is suggesting that instead of making it based off space to make it based off players and those players already caught botting and where they are from and whom they align with and what alts they have or had and where that botting money gets sent.

Make it player profiled not base it off the demographics.

Scope posting at it's finest.

Oh, and I don't care where the main of the botter lives. I care where the bot itself does it's thing. And repeat after me, most bots are found in highsec.

What you refuse to see, because it is past your own nose, is he is suggesting that instead of making it based off space to make it based off players and those players already caught botting and where they are from and whom they align with and what alts they have or had and where that botting money gets sent.

Make it player profiled not base it off the demographics.

If you dont care where the main botter lives then why imply its hi-sec people doing the botting?

I have been accepted into BNI 7o please feel free to look for me there. I am moving my stuff around to avoid the wardecs. Once home I will accept my invintation.

If you dont care where the main botter lives then why imply its hi-sec people doing the botting?

Because you guys are blinded by your own stupidity and hate you want others to jump on your kill hi-sec bandwagon and cant admit botting is a global problem that could be ran by any player from any where in the game.

I've already said it before, you refer to a "certain alliance," goonspiracy at its finest. 100 units to spend combating botting (70:10:10:10) (high:low:null:wh) number of bots in each sec area (7000:1000:1000:1000). Hmm would it be better to spend the same amount in each area and allow more bots to exist or spend proportional to each area and ensure the most amount of bots get handled. Again you seem to think that efficiently using resources = supporting nullsec botting.

Goonspiratic bias, limited resources, and/or maximum efficiency.

Answer this question for me, does CCP have infinite resources?

So are you guys really that stupid and or short sighted to believe that these bots are ONLY being ran by people that only live in hi-sec?

Really?? You dont think that these bots could be owned and operated by people who reside in null-sec/low-sec??

You forum trolls NEVER cease to amaze with how dumb you think the rest of the community is or with how stupid you make yourselves sound.

I have been accepted into BNI 7o please feel free to look for me there. I am moving my stuff around to avoid the wardecs. Once home I will accept my invintation.

If you dont care where the main botter lives then why imply its hi-sec people doing the botting?

Because you guys are blinded by your own stupidity and hate you want others to jump on your kill hi-sec bandwagon and cant admit botting is a global problem that could be ran by any player from any where in the game.

because if you spend all your time in high sec botting, you live in high sec.

I'm not making up that a "certain alliance" is responsible for 21% of all banned bots. How is it a conspiracy to quote CCP's security presentation? You're seeing things that just don't exist. You think blue doughnut is a code word for "bring down the goons because I hate them for their success, and because I'm ignorant, and because I'm a strong believer in factionalism!" You think quoting CCP regarding the fact that 21% of all bots came from ONE ALLIANCE is super secret level 8 illuminati free mason christophoro columbo secret society 55th degree there are pentagrams in the streets of Washington DC! code for "goons." You're the one with conspiracies, not me.

Second, if CCP has 100 units to spend combating botting, they should spend it like so: 100.... That's it, real simple. They should spend 100% of their anti-botting resources combating botting, no matter where it occurs. In your example CCP could be expected to catch* 4900 bots in high sec, but only 100 bots each in low, null and wormholes. That means 4,800 bots get away with their activity, 900 bots go scot-free in null, 900 more in low and another 900 in wormhole space all because you don't want CCP fighting botting there as much as they fight it in high sec. How is that more efficient than making sure bots everywhere get caught and punished?

No, CCP does not have infinite resources, just like nobody else has infinite resources, but what does that have to do with your desire to police high sec more strictly than policing null sec? You want 90% of all bots outside of high sec to be left alone, and 70% of all bots in high sec to be punished. Why do you want null sec to have a more open and accepting environment for bots? Why do you not want bots everywhere to be punished fully and equally?

*Statistics based on the assumption that CCP employees have 100% efficiency and 100% accuracy in their efforts on detecting, proving and then punishing bots. Since this is unlikely, the concentration of resources being so heavily targeted on high sec would likely lead to fewer than the estimated numbers of bots being caught. Nobody is perfect, after all, and we cannot expect that the bot owners would make it easy for CCP. It can be expected that upon realization that less than 10% of all bots in null sec are being caught, botters would move there and we would see a huge drop in bots being banned, while seeing a huge increase in the actual number of bots being used.

Congrats, I suppose?

The facts show the most boting occurs in highsec so focusing the most anti-boting resources in highsec makes sense to have the best effect combating boting.

Stuff

So I have several alts in null...some in low and a couple in hi-sec. Where do I live? What does that make me? A null bear? A care bear?? A pirate maybe?

No.......it makes me an Eve player.

However; you kids please do carry on with your childish finger pointing and blame game and lame attempts at demonizing a area of space because they dont play the game the way YOU think they should.

I'll say it again. Really slowly for you this time.

It....doesn't...matter...where...they...are.

It's the same program. Effective detection algorithms will find the botters wherever they are. Period.

Stop trying to justify leaving your null bots alone. They all need to go.


Mr Epeen

because 6 titans being impounded by CCP says that some members of those cartels ARE making use of RMT or Botting

Your the one that seemed to think it was important as to where this toon resided.

where do you spend most of your man hours?
that is where you live, as you spend most of your man hours there.

where you live has no affiliation with being a "pirate" or a "carebear" as those are activities not locations.

everyone here is an eve player, you know... this being the eve forums and all.

No, merely that shitposting on such a level is what I have come to expect from Scope NPC alts.

Exactly, so why is botting not an Eve problem instead of these idiots trying to make it out as an evil hi-sec thing?

Answer my question does CCP have infinite resources?

E: The rest of that post is recycled defecated material answer the only question that matters.

E2: Hint its a yes or no question.

Us "idiots" are trying to make out that the vast majority of bots are in highsec. Guess what? They are. My turn - why do you need to resort to insults? Is it that difficult to comport yourself with a little class?

I'll say it again. Really slowly for you this time.

It....doesn't...matter...where...they...are.

It's the same program. Effective detection algorithms will find the botters wherever they are. Period.

Stop trying to justify leaving your null bots alone. They all need to go.


Mr Epeen

Exactly, so why is botting not an Eve problem instead of these idiots trying to make it out as an evil hi-sec thing?

The people botting could only live in null and run their bot in hi-sec.

Every mammal knows not to shiat in the same place you eat.....even though I imagine some people here would and do eat on the shitter.

When you start using fictional cartels in your argument you lose any credibility you may have previously had. As for the titans you mentioned, no-one has claimed that nullsec is 100% free of cheats.

If a police force (in this case CCP) has only limited resources to prevent crime (botting), it polices where those resources can be best utilised for maximum results, usually in the areas where most of the crime is commited (in this case highsec). Low crime areas get only a token policing effort, as opposed to high crime areas which get a major policing effort.

If botters move to lowsec, nullsec and wormholes, because CCP have driven them out of highsec, then CCP will follow them to those areas.

Although as Mr Epeen rightfully points out, CCPs bot detection routines don't, or shouldn't, discriminate based on location, all bots must die.