Run anoms with the bling ships used in high sec, profit. You try to back this argument up every time by comparing apples & oranges. 'We use a cheap T2 Cruiser that doesn't make as much as a 10 billion isk battleship, so something is wrong'.

Also incursions support no more than 80 people with 100 mil/hr (Assuming 23/day like one can rat, and we all know ratting bots do exist, heck, Bots were capable of handling the old probe interface, let alone the new one, they certainly can rat). if you want to take a higher benchmark citing perfect TCRC walls & perfect pirate fleets all with officer bling that number of people supported drops to about 40. Across ALL OF EVE! Including those Null sec incursions that get run to clear cyno jam effects. So, lets stop pretending Incursions are actually significant when talking about income.

Combatting Nullsec Ratting bots would go against Alliance leaderships RMT quotas each month.

I'd suggest getting into a Nullsec Bloc, and moving up the ranks to leadership level...as Alliance leaders/lackys are the only ones allowed to Bot in their space under a alt botting corp so their main Alliance get's left alone by a new Dev.

Then you collect as much evidence as you possibly can, then you go public about it, posting it anywhere in the EVE-O forums would get a swift lock...then deleted thread, with a account wide ban for you.

That's what isk you make using the most popular ratting ship the ishtar.

Max you will ever make from anoms is 90 mil/hr

High sec level 4 missions not only matches that but 100+ mil/hr isnt too hard to do. That's before we get into incursions.

Ugggh here we go again with the fabricated numbers which we know have to be true because this is in fact the internet and I AM A FRENCH MODEL

BONJOUR

Ugggh here we go again with the fabricated numbers which we know have to be true because this is in fact the internet and I AM A FRENCH MODEL

BONJOUR

Previously, on your numbers are fabricated:

La Nariz: here's a spreadsheet showing stuff I actually went out and did.
Kimmi: ooh, that's a neat idea - here's some stuff I did, too, and the numbers seem to agree.
Guy who thinks he's an AWACS plane: OMG U MADE T3H NUMBERZ UP!!!!oneone

And now, the next thrilling installment.

Ugggh here we go again with the fabricated numbers which we know have to be true because this is in fact the internet and I AM A FRENCH MODEL

BONJOUR

I have a system you can borrow if you'd like to prove them wrong.

Tell that to all the AFK Ishtars in Deklein.

I think what your ganking in highsec is new players who are too scared to even speak in local when you start shooting their underskilled ravens.

90 mil/hr is the most you will get out of anoms with a bling boat. High sec missions beats that, hence why when we tell GSF pilots how to make isk for cap ships most of the advice is to take advantage of high sec.

I like how people keep inflating numbers to support their cause.


Also, the Fan fest graph showed how Ratters are the most prolific botters and ratting is pretty much a 0.0 only thing, then add to that the 0.0 mining botters (total mining bots, spread over null and high sec) and the clearcut result is obvious; most botting happens in 0.0

My mobile phone signal can barely penetrate all the tin foil.

Hands up everyone who has genuinely uncovered a bot - I'm guessing that unless you work for CCP it's very few. I imagine that if i flew into a belt in my Dominix I would drop *insert drone preference here*, wait for bots and let the drones deal with them. Rinse and Repeat whilst I trim the hedges. Although that would be dumb.

It doesn't sound diffcult to emulate bot behaviour either seeing how most times it's a case of running away from anyone in local.

The BEST thing you can do.. is either petition the ''bot'', put the tin foil back in the drawer as you are stopping me from wrapping my kids sandwiches in it, or shoot the ship.

How do you see if the pod tries to mine?
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How do you see if the pod tries to mine?
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Going need some evidence to go with that. Because right now we have pie charts from team security that shows the vast bulk of bots reside in highsec, caldari space, mostly in the Forge, Lonetrek and the Citadel (they hold over 50% of bots in just those three regions)

Most CONCENTRATED in high sec, yes... for obvious (cadlari/jita) reasons. But OVERALL, in the whole of null sec, there's more. Hence the other graph showing how the majority of botters are ratters. And while I'll happily agree to how in high sec there'll probably be more mining bots than in 0.0, even if 0.0 had no mining bots then STILL ratting bots would make it #1. But as there'll be mining bots in 0.0 as well it's clear that 0.0 is the biggest issue in this regard.

Hence the other graph showing how the majority of botters are ratters.

i did hear something about lots of bots being battleship bots? but are battleships common for ratting anoms?

it's second-hand, anyway, so i'm going to watch the security presentation for myself now

What graph would that be?

Because the one I am looking at shows that if you add up all of nullsec you get fewer bots than live in the Forge region in caldari high sec.

I bet there's a lot more bot petitioning happening in high sec than in 0.0.

I have a system you can borrow if you'd like to prove them wrong.

Thanks, but why worry with it? I will continue to do the things that make the most isk for me, not what someone else would like for me to believe.

It's a good thing that the CCP security people aren't like the forum warriors that only care about blaming the players they don't like for the botting.

Botting happens in the game. Period.

How does the righteous indignation of various factions that contribute to the fracturing of what should be something that all of us should be united against solve anything? It doesn't, of course. Just more petty bickering by the forum morons that will use anything and everything to further their agenda.

I'm glad that CCP seems to understand that it's a systemic problem and not just a high sec/ low sec/ whatever thing. Get off your partisan horses for 5 minutes every once in as while. Take a step back. Look at how stupid you are being and laugh at yourselves.

Mr Epeen

If you see someone you suspect is botting, petition it. Don't come to the forums with (a) new stupid idea.