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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.05.31 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 31/05/2006 04:44:03 Good stuff. The AF changes all look good to me (and I just bought me an extra Vengeance before the currently-low prices start their inevitable climb ). The Minmatar AFs look very good now, and the Hawk will rock, I have no doubt.
Also, the +10% -> +20% warp scramble boost on the Arazu/Lachesis makes me happy, it puts the Gallente recons into competitive territory with the other recons. 40km scramble range with non-faction gear (assuming max skills) is pretty nice.
Oh, and the Phoon change is finally in. Yay!
All in all, good stuff.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.05.31 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Lae People whining about the vengeance should go out back and beat themselves heavily about the head and shoulders. This was the suckiest AF in existance before; it may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread now but it shouldn't be bad. Good armor tank + 3 mid slots (MWD, web, scram) and pulse laser/rocket II isn't the worst thing ever seen. As for the minmatar frigs the jag is faster and therefore I've always seen it as the ship to use the autocannons on because it can close quicker. I'd have preferred the wolf to keep optimal bonus instead of falloff, but even with this 4 280 II + quake ammo = holy smokes...should be interesting to try. Time will tell if more changing needs to be done, I'll definately want to play around with it as soon as I can.
Weirda have flown (and beaten just about every frig class ship) with vengeance for long time kai - and will tell you that 4th med would have served it better. regardless - all of these ship getting improvement and that is a great thing... they are not all the way there yet and would have like to seen different direction on (specifically) the vengeance, but you SURELY cannot suggest Weirda to go out back and beat self on head.
Weirda like HARD mode - and did everything could to make ships like vengeance and jag work for self (and yes - Sacriledge too, before it was UTTERLY RUINED). unlike so many people in these forum who will just tell you 'this sucks - right click/recycle' Weirda is the opposite. judging by the way you made statement, would figure that would have been you response on the Vengeance. so until you fly for month in the shoe of a 'recycle only' ship and make it work for youself (on TQ) and get solo kills, you likely do not have experience to make judgement of what it is capable of or what should be fit on it (rocket launcher - lol).
anyways - now that is out of way, please put big smilies and happyness in there and realize that am only saying that in nicest possible way. you are a very good person and have been carrying raptor/ares torch for long time. they will get their boost someday - but honestly there is nothing that sucks about the Raptor, that is for another thread though... __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More! |
Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.05.31 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda ... have been carrying raptor/ares torch for long time. they will get their boost someday
I have a dream... someday I will fly my Ares and people won't laugh at me. Someday, my precioussssss, yes someday...
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2006.05.31 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Weirda have flown (and beaten just about every frig class ship) with vengeance for long time kai - and will tell you that 4th med would have served it better. regardless - all of these ship getting improvement and that is a great thing... they are not all the way there yet and would have like to seen different direction on (specifically) the vengeance, but you SURELY cannot suggest Weirda to go out back and beat self on head.
I meant the people who were saying it was fine as is. It's much better now than it was. It could hardly have gotten worse...anyway we'll have to see after some time what the status now is.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2006.05.31 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Weirda ... have been carrying raptor/ares torch for long time. they will get their boost someday
I have a dream... someday I will fly my Ares and people won't laugh at me. Someday, my precioussssss, yes someday...
Pffft stop complaining... it's the only T2 shuttle in the game ________________________________________________
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.31 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Sarmaul
Quote: The Vengeance laser optimal range bonus has been changed to a laser damage bonus. Also, its armor and power output have increased, while sheilds have been decreased. A new low power slot rounds out the changes.
Can someone Amarrian tell me if this is good or not?
It's good. In this aspect, I'm Amarrian. Vengeance is my favourite AF (even more than Ishkur!).
its not ghood at all!!
AF NEED to fit their long range weapons for pvp at lest [try an enyo with blasters against frigs and see how far you get, put rails on it and good]
basicly its loosing range for damage, imo that was not a boost at all, personaly id consider that as a slight nerf!
you need at lest 1 optimal range bonous on a AF thats why the harpy is so nice and the enyo! take away the recharge bonous [that low slot can be used for recharge] and bring back the optimal
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.05.31 07:52:00 -
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gotta ask this first, you flying amarr gronsak?
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2006.05.31 07:55:00 -
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Quote:
- The Typhoon projectile optimal range bonus has been changed to launcher rate of fire bonus.
- The Wolf projectile optimal range bonus has been changed to a projectile damage bonus. Also, its falloff bonus has been increased to 10% to balance it with other ships of the same class.
- The Jaguar projectile tracking speed bonus has been changed to a projectile damage bonus. It also has a higher power and cpu output and a new medium power slot.
- 200mm, 425mm and 800mm AutoCannons have a 50% higher ammunition capacity.
- Information Warfare Link - Electronic Superiority now gives bonus to ECM jam strength.
- Information Warfare Link - Recon Operation now gives bonus to Electronic warfare module range.
I think this might just be the best patch ever. I'm going to keep some extra special manlove just for Tux.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 08:01:27 What i don't get is... In this 'whole' roleplaying game..
Why are Gallente command ships getting bonuses to ECM jamming strenght ( bonuses to information gang link ), while they're Caldari ennemies..
Something doesn't add up. I'd rather see Caldari get bonuses to both information and shield warfare links, and Gallente get armored warfare mindlink bonuses.
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Knoppaz
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:02:00 -
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Contrary to popular beliefs I already like the Jaguar a lot and really think it's a good ship (tho specialized in it's role), but with those changes I love it like no other
..one happy Minmatar
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz gotta ask this first, you flying amarr gronsak?
Only the gedden and sometimes the zealot
Their t1 frigs suck bar the EW crucifier, their AF sucks [harpy, new hawk, enyo ftw] their cruisers suck [thorax rupture ftw] The apoc sucks in that the gedden > apoc in 99% of situations
they have some great T2 ships but their T1 is lacking badly vs the other races!
The amarr cruisers need a total rework,
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:04:00 -
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Vengeance, nice to see it get a boost. 7 Mid+Lows for tackling and tank. One more than the Retribution. Wow. Isnt it about time to add a secon mid to the Retribution ? JHENR is recruiting. __________________________________
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:06:00 -
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Wait - this patch has gone in already?
That'll teach me to go to France for the weekend.
Testy's Eve Blog - Updated 24/05/06!
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:07:00 -
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I don't suppose Tux has mentioned how much grid and cpu the Jaguar is gaining?
It's just i've been mucking about with some setups this morning, and suffice to say 20 more cpu and I'd be very, very excited
Max
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous I don't suppose Tux has mentioned how much grid and cpu the Jaguar is gaining?
It's just i've been mucking about with some setups this morning, and suffice to say 20 more cpu and I'd be very, very excited
it should be on test server, log on and see
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:10:00 -
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Sadly I'm at work
Quickfit and forums on work PC 4TW tho !
Max
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:11:00 -
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Fly them some more, you might get a clue then..
The Punisher is one of the best frigates out there.. for Pve. It can tank more than any other and is a good heavy duty tackler.
The Executioner is one of the best t1 tackler for it's money.. It's almost as fast as an interceptor.
You never faced an Arbitrator, have you? Let us just say it can be in the Vexor's league. The Omen and the Maller are nothing to sneeze at either.
As far the AFs go.. yes, they mostly suck.. but that is mostly due to the small lasers insane fitting req. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |
Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest Wait - this patch has gone in already?
That'll teach me to go to France for the weekend.
no this is coming with the patch on 6th june
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:16:00 -
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the new AF inequation: minmatar > caldari = gallente > amarr
the inty inequation: caldari = gallente = minmatar > amarr (we could argue here, but in general, crow & taranis are most popular, stiletto is 4tw for tackling and claw is still better than crusader... so m3h)
the bombers: caldari> minmatar> amarr = gallente, though they all suck
covertops: gallente = minmatar > caldari >> amarr
Notice the pattern? However i don't see amarr losing much here anyway, so let the patch come, then we will whine some more. (hehe i know weirda flys amarr t2 stuff :P )
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:19:00 -
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The amarr boost will probably come with a calming down of the fitting requirements of small lasers - as someone who uses mainly A/C's, I nearly coughed up a lung when looking at fitting up an amarr interceptor the other week.
Max
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
no this is coming with the patch on 6th june
Ah, good. Im not blind then.
Also, I cant explain how much Im looking forward to flying an AF. I never thought I'd say that.
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PeopleDamager
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 30/05/2006 22:56:41
200mm, 425mm and 800mm AutoCannons have a 50% higher ammunition capacity,
YARRRRRR!!!!!
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: PeopleDamager
Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 30/05/2006 22:56:41
200mm, 425mm and 800mm AutoCannons have a 50% higher ammunition capacity,
YARRRRRR!!!!!
Sniff my guns don't fit... i cannot fit 2x shield extenders, mwd, nosf, full gank and stabs on f-aggybond... same for tempest.... I r @ minmatar for it. Time to nerf falloffs on smaller guns too, i think :P
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:35:00 -
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Knew I trained all 4 race frigs to 5 for a reason, yay minny!!!
Volt
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: PeopleDamager
Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 30/05/2006 22:56:41
200mm, 425mm and 800mm AutoCannons have a 50% higher ammunition capacity,
YARRRRRR!!!!!
Sniff my guns don't fit... i cannot fit 2x shield extenders, mwd, nosf, full gank and stabs on f-aggybond... same for tempest.... I r @ minmatar for it. Time to nerf falloffs on smaller guns too, i think :P
Well dont laugh, I fear that will be all changes for AC for a long time. Still no use for 800/650er autos.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 08:01:27 What i don't get is... In this 'whole' roleplaying game..
Why are Gallente command ships getting bonuses to ECM jamming strenght ( bonuses to information gang link ), while they're Caldari ennemies..
Something doesn't add up. I'd rather see Caldari get bonuses to both information and shield warfare links, and Gallente get armored warfare mindlink bonuses.
QFT!
Tuxford, what the hell is up with Information Warfare!?
Why nerf it instead of fix it!? New sig coming soonÖ In the next patch Information Warfare will be nerfed. How sad, it wasn't even useful to begin with. |
Scots Crusader
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Posted - 2006.05.31 08:58:00 -
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\0/. Yay to my beloved CEO Weirda and all the rest of you guys who pushed for these changes. Best go dust of my PVP Wolf, and try and find the Jag I bought soooo long ago but never used. Makes me feel warm inside, that the time spent specialising in Minnie t2 frigs has not been wasted now. -----------------------------------------------
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Voltron Knew I trained all 4 race frigs to 5 for a reason, yay minny!!!
Volt
you and me -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 08:01:27 What i don't get is... In this 'whole' roleplaying game..
Why are Gallente command ships getting bonuses to ECM jamming strenght ( bonuses to information gang link ), while they're Caldari ennemies..
Something doesn't add up. I'd rather see Caldari get bonuses to both information and shield warfare links, and Gallente get armored warfare mindlink bonuses.
QFT!
Tuxford, what the hell is up with Information Warfare!?
Why nerf it instead of fix it!?
Information warfare link - Electronic Superiority This should affect the strenght of all EW modules imo. Tracking disruptor/painter/ECM/Dampeners.
Information warfare link - Recon operation As much as i'd like it to affect the 'optimal range' of all EW modules as stated above, i think locking speed is definitly better than optimal range junk.
When it comes to a fleet, having a vulture with shield tanking modules is just plain useless. I'd rather have a vulture with information warfare and improve the gang rather than seeing shield tanks more effective. Who even shield tanks in a fleet? Ravens have EW. Scorpions have EW. Anything else? Oh yea, no. (exceptions but yea)
Now gallente command ships? When i first saw it.. I was like.. Oh nice, when they release, i sure hope they will be using armored warfare links and have a bonus, but no. A Caldari/ECM related support junk.
Granted the effectiveness bonus on command ships need to be reworked, but still. I'd rather have armored warfare 90% of the time.
Which brings me to the point where i don't SEE a problem to changing all the command ships bonuses, to a global effectiveness bonus that applies to ALL GANG LINKS.
Not any Roleplaying JUNK. Thank you.
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Phish1
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:16:00 -
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A big thanks has to be given to Weirda, Sarmuel, and all the other guys who made these (mostly) fantastic changes happen.
looks like minmatar AF pilots (like me) will be partying all week till the changes come (I know i will), and then gert them all lown up in the first fight due to being ****ed out their minds. but hey, that wont happen, the jag is fantastic, and that 4th mid is a long awaited gift from god (Tux), now we have 1 low resistance, and it isnt that low to begin with. im thinking a gistii jag when i can afford it.
/me drools
cant wait till i get home to strt playing with QF. so many ships, so little time =)
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