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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:18:00 -
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Yay! Gallenet Recons and command links getting fixed! And the poor 'Phoon too. This allso gave me a reason to train Minnie AFs, somethign that I've wanted to do for a while (tech 2 Rifters just look nice) Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes |

Serj Darek
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Serj Darek on 31/05/2006 09:24:52 Finally some love for teh Minmatar! 
/emote does a little happy dance
Fix the Typhoon description! 3 years in the making!
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:24:00 -
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Sarmaul, could you please say something nice to CCP to get them buff my Cerberus a little more please? Ta.  ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 09:24:30
Originally by: Jon Xylur Yay! Gallenet Recons and command links getting fixed! And the poor 'Phoon too. This allso gave me a reason to train Minnie AFs, somethign that I've wanted to do for a while (tech 2 Rifters just look nice)
Warfare links are far from fixed........ The command ships shouldn't have strictly 'bogus' roleplay related effectiveness bonuses.
The problem is more about the command ships than the links. The boost you get from the bonus isn't worth using a command ship for it, other than the fact you can use 3..
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul, could you please say something nice to CCP to get them buff my Cerberus a little more please? Ta. 
I'll go with the trend of bull****ting with 5 stabbed ravens you use (or might be a joke, i hope) and say you don't need any boost for your 4 stabs cerberus. 
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:37:00 -
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Vengeance needs to lose that low and gain a mid. Seriously Tux, why are you making every Amarr ship nearly identical?
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PeopleDamager
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:42:00 -
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:42:00 -
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WTB Wolf/Jaguar BPOs.... 
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 09:44:25
Originally by: Elve Sorrow Vengeance needs to lose that low and gain a mid. Seriously Tux, why are you making every Amarr ship nearly identical?
Even tho i never flown that ship... 4/3/4 sounds pretty darn nice.
the ship obviously lacks firepower with 3 turret, 4th lows is nice, unless you want a mid to be a better tackler.. Which would make it, quite nice..
As far as the retribution goes, i don't think 5/1/5 is identical to 4/3/4, just the bonuses are the same, and as far as it goes, Vengeance does less damage but tackles... or 'can' tackle 
If the retribution gets 2 mids and loses an highslot, the vengeance will still be worth using, and different.
Oh but wait, maybe the vengeance and sacrilege need their khanid junk back 
I just can't see why you wouldn't be happy with the vengeance changes.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:52:00 -
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The Hawk did get the 4 launchers, they just forgot to add it to the patch notes:
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 31/05/2006 09:56:04
Originally by: Gronsak
take away the recharge bonous [that low slot can be used for recharge] and bring back the optimal 
are you joking? 
why would you give us a low just so we can put a cpr in it? for the record weirda preferred a 4th mid and a (new) 4th bonus a 'la resistance (a 'la sacriledge)... while it would still be low damage dealer you tank could get away with just a repper and a plate, 3rd low for more damage/more resistance/more cpu ( )
it would seem you knowledge doesn't translate to amarr... 
Originally by: Elve Sorrow Vengeance needs to lose that low and gain a mid. Seriously Tux, why are you making every Amarr ship nearly identical?
just thought would requote this... obviously it is too late... but DAMN... shedding a tear...  __ Weirda Assault Ship need 4th Bonus and More! |

Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 31/05/2006 09:58:31
Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 09:44:25 Even tho i never flown that ship... 4/3/4 sounds pretty darn nice.
the ship obviously lacks firepower with 3 turret, 4th lows is nice, unless you want a mid to be a better tackler.. Which would make it, quite nice..
As far as the retribution goes, i don't think 5/1/5 is identical to 4/3/4, just the bonuses are the same, and as far as it goes, Vengeance does less damage but tackles... or 'can' tackle 
If the retribution gets 2 mids and loses an highslot, the vengeance will still be worth using, and different.
Oh but wait, maybe the vengeance and sacrilege need their khanid junk back 
I just can't see why you wouldn't be happy with the vengeance changes.
Thanks.
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Tuxford

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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:58:00 -
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Some few points I have to add.
Hawk gets four launchers but loses a turret hardpoint, this I think we forgot to put in the patch notes We also forgot to put the tracking bonuses increase in the patch notes, thats happening as well
Both of the information links were kind of borked. The electronic superiority one was supposed to give bonus to ewar strength, but it gave bonus to sensor strength which is the same as the sensor integrity one. I tried to fix it so it actually gave to all the ewar modules but there was a problem. At least now it does partly what it was supposed to. Recon operation was supposed to give bonus to scan resolution which is the same as the leadership module so either the module or the skill would override the other one so that bonus didn't make much sense. So we changed it to EWAR module range.
I probably have something more to say but can't remember what. _______________ |
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 10:01:29 Why is the hawk getting a 5th highslot? When do i get Jaguar with 5?, Ishkur with 5, Vengeance with 5?
shesh, Tux the caldari worshipper 
Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 31/05/2006 09:58:31
Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 31/05/2006 09:44:25 Even tho i never flown that ship... 4/3/4 sounds pretty darn nice.
the ship obviously lacks firepower with 3 turret, 4th lows is nice, unless you want a mid to be a better tackler.. Which would make it, quite nice..
As far as the retribution goes, i don't think 5/1/5 is identical to 4/3/4, just the bonuses are the same, and as far as it goes, Vengeance does less damage but tackles... or 'can' tackle 
If the retribution gets 2 mids and loses an highslot, the vengeance will still be worth using, and different.
Oh but wait, maybe the vengeance and sacrilege need their khanid junk back 
I just can't see why you wouldn't be happy with the vengeance changes.
Thanks.
Oh cmon, it's not hard to know the slightest bit how it performs without flying one. I'm sure you fly it all the time, it's your favorite ship and you can't undock without being in one. 
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:00:00 -
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re: the Vengeance
I think most people are happy with the changes. They sold like hotcakes today. After reading the patchnotes, I bought 2 from Rens at 9.5m each. There were 6 more at that price and about 8 more in the 10-11m range. This evening, only 2 were on the Heimatar market, at 16m each!  -- [THARS] is recruiting Originally by: Mephysto solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:02:00 -
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So now there's 6 11 slot AFs, and 2 10 slotters? Yeah sounds awfully balanced... ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

boost lasers
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford Some few points I have to add.
Hawk gets four launchers but loses a turret hardpoint, this I think we forgot to put in the patch notes We also forgot to put the tracking bonuses increase in the patch notes, thats happening as well
Both of the information links were kind of borked. The electronic superiority one was supposed to give bonus to ewar strength, but it gave bonus to sensor strength which is the same as the sensor integrity one. I tried to fix it so it actually gave to all the ewar modules but there was a problem. At least now it does partly what it was supposed to. Recon operation was supposed to give bonus to scan resolution which is the same as the leadership module so either the module or the skill would override the other one so that bonus didn't make much sense. So we changed it to EWAR module range.
I probably have something more to say but can't remember what.
Hey tuxo, can you bump the Vengeance cap recharge bonus to 7.5%? It is one of the 'lesser' bonus's like tracking/falloff so imo it should be increased.
One cap relay on any other AF will equal the Vengeance's bonus at lvl4. There is no mod that will give you 50% falloff that you'd find on a Wolf.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Why is the hawk getting a 5th highslot?
Its not?
Originally by: KilROCK Oh cmon, it's not hard to know the slightest bit how it performs without flying one. I'm sure you fly it all the time, it's your favorite ship and you can't undock without being in one. 
No, i dont fly it anymore because its pointless. Im sorry, tackling? Ill just use an Interdictor, do 4km/sec, have 7 guns and not have to deal with silly WCS. It's now a silly Retribution rip-off - less damage, less tank but gains 2 mids. Whereas it shouldve just gained a single mid, kept its three lows and made it different from the Retribution.
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Tuxford

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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys So now there's 6 11 slot AFs, and 2 10 slotters? Yeah sounds awfully balanced...
The only 10 slotter is the Ishkur and are you seriously gonna tell me that its underpowered. _______________ |
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KilROCK
Why is the hawk getting a 5th highslot?
Its not?
The Hawk launcher rate of fire bonus has been changed to missile kinetic damage bonus, and the hybrid optimal bonus has been changed to missile velocity bonus. It also has a higher power output and a new high power slot.
Reading ability, you lost points there?
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KilROCK Oh cmon, it's not hard to know the slightest bit how it performs without flying one. I'm sure you fly it all the time, it's your favorite ship and you can't undock without being in one. 
No, i dont fly it anymore because its pointless. Im sorry, tackling? Ill just use an Interdictor, do 4km/sec, have 7 guns and not have to deal with silly WCS. It's now a silly Retribution rip-off - less damage, less tank but gains 2 mids. Whereas it shouldve just gained a single mid, kept its three lows and made it different from the Retribution.
what would you do with a extra mid? Wouldn't you just use the retribution if it gained an extra mids.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: boost lasers Hey tuxo, can you bump the Vengeance cap recharge bonus to 7.5%? It is one of the 'lesser' bonus's like tracking/falloff so imo it should be increased.
One cap relay on any other AF will equal the Vengeance's bonus at lvl4. There is no mod that will give you 50% falloff that you'd find on a Wolf.
Bingo, but it should be 10% to be inline with the the Wolf's falloff bonus. -- [THARS] is recruiting Originally by: Mephysto solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 31/05/2006 10:09:08
Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: Gariuys So now there's 6 11 slot AFs, and 2 10 slotters? Yeah sounds awfully balanced...
The only 10 slotter is the Ishkur and are you seriously gonna tell me that its underpowered.
Well yeah, considering the other AF's don't lose their guns when warping out 
Also how's this for fixing blasters by boosting AC? I might be a bit of lowbrow but I don't get it 
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boost lasers
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
No, i dont fly it anymore because its pointless. Im sorry, tackling? Ill just use an Interdictor, do 4km/sec, have 7 guns and not have to deal with silly WCS. It's now a silly Retribution rip-off - less damage, less tank but gains 2 mids. It shouldve gotten a fourth mid, kept its three lows and made it different from the Retribution.
Yep, it's the problem with most Khanid ships.
They do the exact same thing Amarr ships do just worse or slightly different
I'd rather have the Vengeance be a missile based armor tanking ship then be a sub-par laser boat. Oh no tho, can't have that, missiles are reserved for the all mightly Caldari...oh wait, they get turret boats to. ____________________________________________________ __
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Darwinia Fly them some more, you might get a clue then..
The Punisher is one of the best frigates out there.. for Pve. It can tank more than any other and is a good heavy duty tackler.
The Executioner is one of the best t1 tackler for it's money.. It's almost as fast as an interceptor.
You never faced an Arbitrator, have you? Let us just say it can be in the Vexor's league. The Omen and the Maller are nothing to sneeze at either.
As far the AFs go.. yes, they mostly suck.. but that is mostly due to the small lasers insane fitting req.
WTB punisher with > 2 mid slots !! its slow, its got 2 slots, vigil, rifter ftw, kestrel/merlin have their uses, and at lest the tristan and incursus have 3 mids
again wtb executioner with > 2 mid slots, its not a great tackler when 3 slot is so much better!
arbitractor is good, the maller and omen are a joke compaired to the rupture, thorax, caracal, moa
all t1 amarr ships atm seem to be ****e compaired to the other races bar the gedden!
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK The Hawk launcher rate of fire bonus has been changed to missile kinetic damage bonus, and the hybrid optimal bonus has been changed to missile velocity bonus. It also has a higher power output and a new high power slot.
Reading ability, you lost points there?
Wow, sorry if i go by the Database instead of Patchnotes where half the changes are missing.
Originally by: KilROCK
what would you do with a extra mid? Wouldn't you just use the retribution if it gained an extra mids.
Yes, i would. But the Retribution isnt gaining a mid, because if it was im sure it wouldve been in this patch.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford Hawk gets four launchers but loses a turret hardpoint, this I think we forgot to put in the patch notes We also forgot to put the tracking bonuses increase in the patch notes, thats happening as well
Cool. Tracking boost = nice.
As for the 4th mid on the vengeance, Weirda I'll assume youre not tripping on household cleaner when you say that, by virtue of youve flown the ship more than me... i find the current TQ vengeance revolting tbfh, id rather fly an ares.
ive tried and tried but i just cant make myself like the idea of a 4th mid over a 4th low. I cant think of many things i can do with that 4th low but none which id rather do which involve a 4th mid. Meh, I just dont see it, sorry.
Either way, more grid/cpu = good. Though i would have switched the cap bonus for the punisher resists bonus. ----------------
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KilROCK The Hawk launcher rate of fire bonus has been changed to missile kinetic damage bonus, and the hybrid optimal bonus has been changed to missile velocity bonus. It also has a higher power output and a new high power slot.
Reading ability, you lost points there?
Wow, sorry if i go by the Database instead of Patchnotes where half the changes are missing.
Oh geez, Sorry if we're not looking at the same things.
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KilROCK
what would you do with a extra mid? Wouldn't you just use the retribution if it gained an extra mids.
Yes, i would. But the Retribution isnt gaining a mid, because if it was im sure it wouldve been in this patch.
Everyone is already whining about the retribution for another midslot. Who wanted vengeance borked into a wannabe retribution?
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK Everyone is already whining about the retribution for another midslot. Who wanted vengeance borked into a wannabe retribution?
Tuxford?
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:22:00 -
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well its a great patch with lots of <3
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.31 10:23:00 -
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Oh, and exactly how much grid are the Veng/Jag getting? -- [THARS] is recruiting Originally by: Mephysto solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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