-30% capacitor use

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Are these changes making it into Crucible? I read something the other day that stated the hybrid changes were not going to be part of the Crucible update. It could have just been someone trolling. I was not able to find any post that stated either way with surety.

That's by far the largest boost I've ever seen applied since I started playing in 2006.

That's by far the largest boost I've ever seen applied since I started playing in 2006. I think it's enough for now....

It's a pretty big buff, but I don't believe that it's made blasters worth using in small-scale combat in a world where AC and Minmatar hulls haven't been changed, or made rails worth using in fleet where Scorch, Tachyons, artillery, the Apoc's range bonus and the 150 km soft cap and 250 km hard cap range limits apply.

Blasterboats are still slower and less agile, and with much less range, than AC hulls. Sniping beyond 150 km is still irrelevant and rails at less than 150 km are still much inferior to other weapons.

The new rail Naga is a model for what rails should be. It has a substantial DPS advantage over the other t3 BCs beyond about 80 km, which is deserved because of its deficiencies in mobiity, sig, scan res and alpha. The tachyon Oracle will have good tracking and great DPS close up; the 1400mm Tornado has mobility, alpha and selectable damage; the Naga has raw DPS at range.

As for blasters, well, AC hulls are a model for what blasterboats should look like. Fast hulls able to get to optimal where they can apply lots of DPS. If you cut AC falloff down to blaster level, then you'd have a good idea of what working blaster hulls would look like.

I think it's great changes to blasters and rails, and their stats look decent now :P so personly I don't think they need to tweak them much

CCP have stated this is not the final, but an on going buff. Time will tell if it's enough, but I say no.

Keeping the cap booster just for anti-neuting purposes seems silly especially in big fleets with guardians. In small gangs it'll still be in use but just as a precaution against neut fleets.

That's by far the largest boost I've ever seen applied since I started playing in 2006.

I think it's enough for now.

If CCP Tallest is genuinely committed to iterating on the issue, then what we're looking at is a pretty good starting point to go live with.

They buffed Gallente, but they didn't give Caldari any chance

Caldari still have optimal instead of damage, which sucks... Boost our hybrid platfroms.

They are making it into the expansion. They are the changes that are on sisi now, I believe.

Railguns are unable to make use of their extreme (150km+) ranges. With the buffs to probing speed and the minimum warp distance of 150km, a competent enemy can cover the distance very easily. I think that the buff to reload times, tracking speed and damage will allow railboats to deal better with this problem, but I think it's just a bandaid to the larger issue.

who the hell cares about extreme ranges? hybrids cant even do damage comparable to pulses, arties or AC's from 30-40km. why dont we work on this little problem first?

youre completely wrong about the Deimos, and i dont have to justify myself to you, and "prove" that i was testing as well.

the Deimos does a pithy ~300dps with antimatter in a full rack of 200's at about 15-20km, with next to no tank, and a crapload of tracking and damage mods. u have any idea how easily a shield-tanked Cynabal tears up a rail Deimos? u wanna compare it to the pulse Zealot? dont even try noob.

youre completely wrong about the Deimos, and i dont have to justify myself to you, and "prove" that i was testing as well.

the Deimos does a pithy ~300dps with antimatter in a full rack of 200's at about 15-20km, with next to no tank, and a crapload of tracking and damage mods. u have any idea how easily a shield-tanked Cynabal tears up a rail Deimos? u wanna compare it to the pulse Zealot? dont even try noob.

what have you been testing, im just curious? did you actually test any of these ships against their Minnie and Amarr counterparts? against the Drake? the Deimos is ok only in your fantasies. the Talos is the shittiest tier 3 BC, and while the Naga might be "ok", large rails dont even compare to mega pulses (with scorch), arties, and even large AC's at 70km (LAWL). stop spreading misinformation.

youre completely wrong about the Deimos, and i dont have to justify myself to you, and "prove" that i was testing as well.

the Deimos does a pithy ~300dps with antimatter in a full rack of 200's at about 15-20km, with next to no tank, and a crapload of tracking and damage mods. u have any idea how easily a shield-tanked Cynabal tears up a rail Deimos? u wanna compare it to the pulse Zealot? dont even try noob.

what have you been testing, im just curious? did you actually test any of these ships against their Minnie and Amarr counterparts? against the Drake? the Deimos is ok only in your fantasies. the Talos is the shittiest tier 3 BC, and while the Naga might be "ok", large rails dont even compare to mega pulses (with scorch), arties, and even large AC's at 70km (LAWL). stop spreading misinformation.

I think blaster ships will become a new favorite in station games (where you tend to be less than 5km from your target and neither one moves much).

The Deimos actually is Ok with current Gallente buffs. It finally has the room to fit what needs to actually function in a PVP HAC role.

but, will there be a reason to use it over a pulse zealot? or a vagabond? or even a beam zealot or munnin if you try to go rail with it? hell, for sniping is there a reason to even use it over a cerberus?

Learn to fit?

Is there any EFT like tool updated with the new hybrid changes so I can see theoretical DPS increase vs present numbers on these ships?

pyfa has some pretty recent numbers.
Add 5% to blaster DPS, 10% to rail tracking, ignore the Naga and add a 25m3 drone bay to the Talos.
http://dl.evefit.org/eve-test/singularity-311120/pyfa-1.0.6-singularity-311120-win32.zip

All the fitting requirements are correctly updated, though.
Some Gallentean ships look really nice. Unfortunately, most Caldari hybrid ships are still terrible.

The only fix for hybrids is a redesign.

dont be a troll. you know perfectly well that there's no reason to fly a rail Deimos over a pulse Zealot, Cane, Cynabal, Vaga, etc. this is my point. if i cant fit a 1600mm with EANM's in the lows, and maintain 400-500 turret dps at 20-30km, then im not flying the Deimos.

if im gonna mount blasters on the Deimos, i might as well fly a BC, or the navy vex with sentries, which gives me more applied dps for the same EHP.

4) its short range guns can actually now compete dps wise with AC's, since most often times AC's are trying to shoot from deep fall off. Couple that with the fact that smart fitters will realize that most gallent ships have a built in damage bonus and a smart fitter will actually go towards buffing range (TE's) instead of DPS to better apply their already higher DPS.


Basically if you can alter the way you think about fitting from what is considered 'traditional' fitting, you'll find the Blaster ships competing nicely with their counterparts.

Caldari will fit Mag Stabs, Gallente will fit Tracking Enhancers (and still come out doing sweet DPS), Rails, well rails just pretty much own right now, the ability to use AntiMatter out to extreme ranges means that no, you don't use all the range potential of the rail, but the range you do use, will put out SIGNIFICANTLY higher DPS numbers than the beam or artillery counterparts, with the side effect of Rails out tracking Arty by a mile.

Evemail me the time and day you want to do it and we'll see how you fare.

OT; In your opinion, has the blasterthron been 'fixed'?

AK

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I'm still waiting you to post your super Deimost fit on SISI, most of all I'm still waiting to see more Diemost be flown over Vigilants on SISI. -if there's not price difference like in SISI, everyone with half brains working will always pick the vigilant over the diemost at his current state.

Now if you're trying to say, witch you are, once the expansion released suddenly Diemost will become top dog, my Cynabal still laughs at it.

my Cynabal still laughs at it.

Eagle is still short on PG, it should be boosted if there are any chances of it seeing any use - fit rails and T2 MWD on it and it's short by 10 grid, do same on Deimos - 130 grid free, arty Munnin - 50 grid free, heavy beam Zealot - 70 grid free
I think it needs about 40-60 base grid more at least, reduce CPU in exchange by 20-30, there is too much

It's enough to see what kind of effect it will have without creating another FOTM.

pls, disallow warp off for 60 seconds after initiation of player agression or attacking back a player.


This solves the problem for PvP. No way back, snipers get a chance to snipe from afar, MWD pilots get a chance to catch them or be caught.

Introduce warp engine instability after PvP initiation. More massive battles - less tears (omg, he warped)

In this case you either accept the fight or avoid it, not hit and run. Stupid, not tactical, if you think you are smart, you are just rolling in a lol boat.

Of course this is not enough. I know CCP thinks of blasters and rails from a paper-rock-scissors mentality based on DPS....but I think it should think of paper rock scissors based on two things....

Weapons that use no ammo should be weaker....weapons that use no cap should be weaker....
Weapons that use BOTH ammo and cap should be the strongest...simple as that. :)

How would I change it without changing the DPS? Alpha.

Specifically Caldari Railgunships....I would change the SHIPS to be very high alpha. How? Think of the Railgun as a highpowered sniper rifle. Double the volley....double the rate of fire.... so instead of a 500dmg volley every 7 seconds, a 1000dmg volley ever 14. The nature of a sniper in real military applications is 1 shot 1 kill. So to balance this new higher alpha, perhaps only 1/2 the charges before reloading as well. Blasters should have the opposite....1/2 the volley but halfing the rate of fire. Since gallente ships have actual DAMAGE bonuses, I would balance them seperately.

Rails= low RoF Alpha
Blasters = high RoF sustained hurt
I like.

so from your view that means that:

A) basically blaster ships with damage mods are bad fits now? since I'll need to cram TE's on them and in the case of the deimos that means 2-3 lowslots of the 6 it has, so that it becomes a bad version of the vagabond? I mean it still has mobility issues, so that means that the lowslots are either for damage mods (and still be slower and have less damage projection than the vagabond) or nano (which will need 2 slots for to even compete with a vaga without any kind of nano even after changes), or going with tank and simply failing to reach the vaga every time.

ok it is a bit of a pigeonholing, a vaga vs deimos competition, but with a 2TE deimos + null and HAC 4, the falloff + optimal for a deimos is on the 24km range, and on the vaga is at about 40km range, and that's comparing a deimos with neutrons and a vagabond with 220's. atm without any speed changes, the vaga is a whole 800m/sec faster than the deimos, and that's not even using any speed mod besides a mwd in it. The zealot, as a counterpoint, will be doing, disregarding tracking, full damage with HPL and scorch aaaaaaaaallll the way till 40km and you still have about 8km falloff, while maintaining similar base speed with mwd. this using just 2 TE's.
damage wise, with just guns, we're looking at a range between 222dps of the barrage vaga all the way to 280dps of the null neutron deimos, with the zealot sitting confortably on the 260dps range. The 5% damage boost on the blasters might pull it to the 300dps damage barrier when using neutrons+null, and the more relaxed fittings might make it actually able to slam neutrons on it without running out grid, but the very same core issues that plagued blaster ships are still there: not enough damage for a point blank weapon (which you're trying to transform into a poor man's version of the autocannon btw), coupled with hulls that don't have enough mobility to bring the minimal damage advantage to bear.


B)

I'm not going to go through all this point by point because i just woke up, but you keep talking about the agility issues.


Have you even logged in to see how agile they are, because it doesn't sound like you have.


Also if you're so sure of yourself why haven't you taken up my offer to run tests on the test server, I mean the ships are 100 isk each, theres no actual barier to stop you, the killmails aren't really killmails, and all you lose is 100 isk.

I'm literally challenging all the naysayers to back it up on the test server any time they want, but none of you are even considering the option?

You can spread sheet all the numbers you want, but in the end if you don't back it up with actual game play then whats the point?

I struggle to think ...

I said mobility, not just agility. mobility, afaik, comprehends both speed and agility.

if a vagabond is faster than a deimos, moves better than a deimos, and hits farther than a deimos for a negligable damage diference, isn't the vagabond better?

Either show up or wait for the 29th, but you're theories on space ships are flawed and you're evidently scared to have it proved to you.

TEST server...................scared...............

I prefer to wait for the 29th and be completely wrong than going to the test server and engage in an artificial mock battle.

Why?

Is it just straight up not giving enough of a **** or what?